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[Axiomus]

Your first and second comment are pretty similar so i'll reply to them together.
Im not sure what you mean by the first part. Yes, Gemini could copy Lucy, but so what? That just means Gemini while under their own power were on par with or stronger than Lucy. Doesnt change the fact that its an iron clad rule that while summoned under a Celestial Wizard Gemini can only copy someone who is on par with or weaker than their summoner. The stronger the summoner, the more powerful people Gemini can copy, under Angel they were able to copy freaking Gray.

Even if they arent the same as Neinharts historia, it is still a fact that the stronger Lucy becomes, the stronger they are. Them having MP of their own doesnt change anything because as long as they're summoned into this world by Lucy, she is the one supporting that MP. Sure, Loke can support himself on his own power, but he was clearly weakening each day.
The fact that Gemini needs Lucy to be as strong as the person they want to copy implies that yeah, they scale with Lucy's strength. The CSK being noted to weaken just as Lucy expended her power defeating Jackal implies the same.

Your well within your rights to speculate that, but i personally find it unlikely that they'd bring CSK in again, just to be oneshotted. Sacrificing Aquarious again, the person Lucy promised she would find, even if its Anna doing it, seems unlikely not to impact the manga greatly.
Lucy has received a massive boost to magic power since Tartaros, we know this

Spoiler

Her fairly impressive feats(for someone who used to be fodder) like tangling with Brandish(was holding back), aiding Natsu against Jacob, copying Marin definitely supports vast improvement.

Gemini would be as strong as the sum total of her own power plus whatever power her owner has left over. So it's not really that much of a surprise that copy spirits at around her owner's level. If Gemini's own supply of magical power makes up the difference it takes for Lucy to open the gate, then it pretty much evens out. Gemini's MP still comes from somewhere. What Lucy cannot do is have Gemini copy someone far stronger than her, because then that magical power comes from nowhere.

Again, Lucy does not create the spirits. She only supports their existence in the human world so far as keeping the gates opened. Loke is weakening every day because he needs to use his own magical power to open his gate. Since he cannot return to the spirit realm, this was killing him. Likewise, the Spirit King's situation is much the same. It takes a huge amount of magical power for Lucy to keep the Spirit King's gate open. The King gave Lucy a star-dress so she can use Aquarius' magical power to keep the gates open. Lucy completely used up all of that power when she casted Urano Metria, meaning the Spirit King had to use his own magical power to keep the gates open. Even with Lucy completely exhausted, the Spirit King still had enough magical power to cast Galaxia Blade.

Even with Neinhart, Neinhart can't simply create a Historia of someone far stronger than him. His Historia don't multiply in strength as he gets stronger either. Having a greater MP reserve for Neinhart simply means he has more power to put into creating his Historia. Saying a 20% increase in Lucy's MP results in a 20% increase in CSK's MP means a bunch of MP is created from nowhere. Let's say Lucy has 1000 units of MP and CSK has 20,000. If Lucy doubles her power, their overpower combined total is 22,000. Now you're saying if Lucy doubles her magic, CSK's becomes 40,000. Where is that extra 20,000 units of MP coming from?

I find it just ask likely CSK would be on Acnologia's level as you do that he would be oneshotted. Star dress is not Lucy's own magical power. Star dress is Lucy borrowing magical power from her spirits, and yeah Makarov would see this being completely different than what she was from a year ago. It would be the same difference between the Lucy getting kicked around by Jackal, and the Lucy that took him out with Urano Metria. I'm sure Lucy got stronger over the timeskip, but a large part of that growth was learning to use star-dress... Which is again, the ability to borrow her spirit's power. This isn't necessarily an increase to Lucy's own magical power.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Natsu-if your not picking him you are very clearly biased and shouldn't be participating in this tournament.

Irene-due to feats, needs a ds to defeat her, universe 1

God Serena - Gildartz level, 8 dragon lycrmia, took out GOI

Wendy - Dragon Force, enchants better than Irene, can heal


Natsu shouldnt be apart of the tournament. I wish there was a seperate vote to kick im out, like they did with zeref and Acno. After his recent feat of disintegrating FH Zeref, thats pretty op and unfair. There is litterally no one capable of standing toe to toe with him at this point outside of zeref, august, and acno.

Stkng is very close, but i think wendy would pull out a victory between the 2.

 

[Seven777]

Gemini would be as strong as the sum total of her own power plus whatever power her owner has left over. So it's not really that much of a surprise that copy spirits at around her owner's level. If Gemini's own supply of magical power makes up the difference it takes for Lucy to open the gate, then it pretty much evens out. Gemini's MP still comes from somewhere. What Lucy cannot do is have Gemini copy someone far stronger than her, because then that magical power comes from nowhere.

Again, Lucy does not create the spirits. She only supports their existence in the human world so far as keeping the gates opened. Loke is weakening every day because he needs to use his own magical power to open his gate. Since he cannot return to the spirit realm, this was killing him. Likewise, the Spirit King's situation is much the same. It takes a huge amount of magical power for Lucy to keep the Spirit King's gate open. The King gave Lucy a star-dress so she can use Aquarius' magical power to keep the gates open. Lucy completely used up all of that power when she casted Urano Metria, meaning the Spirit King had to use his own magical power to keep the gates open. Even with Lucy completely exhausted, the Spirit King still had enough magical power to cast Galaxia Blade.

Even with Neinhart, Neinhart can't simply create a Historia of someone far stronger than him. His Historia don't multiply in strength as he gets stronger either. Having a greater MP reserve for Neinhart simply means he has more power to put into creating his Historia. Saying a 20% increase in Lucy's MP results in a 20% increase in CSK's MP means a bunch of MP is created from nowhere. Let's say Lucy has 1000 units of MP and CSK has 20,000. If Lucy doubles her power, their overpower combined total is 22,000. Now you're saying if Lucy doubles her magic, CSK's becomes 40,000. Where is that extra 20,000 units of MP coming from?

I find it just ask likely CSK would be on Acnologia's level as you do that he would be oneshotted. Star dress is not Lucy's own magical power. Star dress is Lucy borrowing magical power from her spirits, and yeah Makarov would see this being completely different than what she was from a year ago. It would be the same difference between the Lucy getting kicked around by Jackal, and the Lucy that took him out with Urano Metria. I'm sure Lucy got stronger over the timeskip, but a large part of that growth was learning to use star-dress... Which is again, the ability to borrow her spirit's power. This isn't necessarily an increase to Lucy's own magical power.

Then logically she should be able to copy someone stronger than her. If Gemini itself was already capable of replicating Lucy that means they alone already have at least 100% of her power, if Lucy decides to dedicate another 20% to Gemini then she'd be able to copy someone with 120% of her own strength. But no, the rule is equal to or lower than Lucy.

This doesnt change the fact that as Lucy grows stronger, so too does her spirits.
Lucy doesnt just support their existence, she supports the magic power they consume and use. Different spirits consume and use different amounts of Lucy's magic power, which means she is doing a hell of a lot more than just keeping their gate open, she is also supporting their offensive strength.

Like i said, you are well within your rights to speculate that, i however, disagree and have my own speculations.
Makarov noted a great difference in Lucy's magic power, and unlike against Jackal she was doing that purely with her own strength.
The fact that the CSK was so far above Lucy but was still able to be maintained by her means that the unit ratio of magic power given by Lucy and received by him isnt 1:1, which means a vastly superior Lucy should lead to a vastly superior CSK. Without the strain of carrying Lucy, a wizard who barely meets the requirements of summoning him, he should be significantly stronger.
CSK MP appearing out of nowhere is no different from Lucy's MP appearing out of nowhere from her Star Dresses or Natsu's MP appearing out of nowhere from DF. Assuming that the MP appearing is in fact quantity and not quality(i've always believed that powerups are improvements to an MPs quality). But yeah, you get my point, CSK suddenly being many times stronger as Lucy improves shouldnt be any different from DF being many times stronger as the Dragon Slayer improves.

 

[**Silver**]

Gemini would be as strong as the sum total of her own power plus whatever power her owner has left over. So it's not really that much of a surprise that copy spirits at around her owner's level. If Gemini's own supply of magical power makes up the difference it takes for Lucy to open the gate, then it pretty much evens out. Gemini's MP still comes from somewhere. What Lucy cannot do is have Gemini copy someone far stronger than her, because then that magical power comes from nowhere.

Again, Lucy does not create the spirits. She only supports their existence in the human world so far as keeping the gates opened. Loke is weakening every day because he needs to use his own magical power to open his gate. Since he cannot return to the spirit realm, this was killing him. Likewise, the Spirit King's situation is much the same. It takes a huge amount of magical power for Lucy to keep the Spirit King's gate open. The King gave Lucy a star-dress so she can use Aquarius' magical power to keep the gates open. Lucy completely used up all of that power when she casted Urano Metria, meaning the Spirit King had to use his own magical power to keep the gates open. Even with Lucy completely exhausted, the Spirit King still had enough magical power to cast Galaxia Blade.

Even with Neinhart, Neinhart can't simply create a Historia of someone far stronger than him. His Historia don't multiply in strength as he gets stronger either. Having a greater MP reserve for Neinhart simply means he has more power to put into creating his Historia. Saying a 20% increase in Lucy's MP results in a 20% increase in CSK's MP means a bunch of MP is created from nowhere. Let's say Lucy has 1000 units of MP and CSK has 20,000. If Lucy doubles her power, their overpower combined total is 22,000. Now you're saying if Lucy doubles her magic, CSK's becomes 40,000. Where is that extra 20,000 units of MP coming from?

I find it just ask likely CSK would be on Acnologia's level as you do that he would be oneshotted. Star dress is not Lucy's own magical power. Star dress is Lucy borrowing magical power from her spirits, and yeah Makarov would see this being completely different than what she was from a year ago. It would be the same difference between the Lucy getting kicked around by Jackal, and the Lucy that took him out with Urano Metria. I'm sure Lucy got stronger over the timeskip, but a large part of that growth was learning to use star-dress... Which is again, the ability to borrow her spirit's power. This isn't necessarily an increase to Lucy's own magical power.

Acnologia one-shots period why even comparing Csk to acnologia this is nuts...

 

[Seven777]

Acnologia one-shots period why even comparing Csk to acnologia this is nuts...

Acno cant even oneshot Christina....

 

[**Silver**]

Acno cant even oneshot Christina....

yeah sad but true....

 

[Star Frost]

Then logically she should be able to copy someone stronger than her. If Gemini itself was already capable of replicating Lucy that means they alone already have at least 100% of her power, if Lucy decides to dedicate another 20% to Gemini then she'd be able to copy someone with 120% of her own strength. But no, the rule is equal to or lower than Lucy.

This doesnt change the fact that as Lucy grows stronger, so too does her spirits.
Lucy doesnt just support their existence, she supports the magic power they consume and use. Different spirits consume and use different amounts of Lucy's magic power, which means she is doing a hell of a lot more than just keeping their gate open, she is also supporting their offensive strength.

Like you said, Celestial Spirits grow strong whenever their owners Magic strength does. And the only reason why Gemini was able to copy Lucy back in Oracion Seis was because they were Angel's Spirit at the time who was stronger than Lucy that could also have them copy Ichiya and Gray. So in other words of my point, they haven't shown to be able to copy anybody with their own power but only did when they were Angel's Spirit

Yeah that is one of the main reasons why Celestial Spirit Magic does take up a lot of Magic Power which most people don't seem to understand and quick to judge Lucy as being weak due to her stamina (and also there's idiots who only went by using spirits to fight without any knowledge about it) when really she's doing a hella amount of work in terms of the use of Magic Power.

 

[Asorx]

1. Lucy stomps all this thrashes @Seven777 and @Star Frost explain everything beautiful.
2. Elieen
3. God Serena.
4. Natsu or Sting.

 

[Takuan]

If by some kind of mistake Lucy gets to pass this elimination phase, i can already smell some nice debates ahead in the tournament

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I picked Natsu Dragneel due to the fact that he is the strongest mage only Zeref and Acnologia who are stronger and ofc he is my baby fire dragon slayer

, Lucy Heartfilia i think she will display more feats soon and maybe there is a chance to see Celestial king's dress i'm sure this will make her climb the ranked power ladder so fast and ofc she is my a baby celestial mage

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My remaining two votes goes for Mira-Jan and Sting because i think they out class the rest excluding Irene and God Serena.

Your points about Lucy are mainly asumptions and never happened yet, so i don't know how to feel about that. Arguing about the strength of CSK would have been better imo, though this is already being discussed

But what i don't understand is wy you voted for Mira and Sting if you believe Irene and GS are stronger.

 

[Raven]

If by some kind of mistake Lucy gets to pass this elimination phase, i can already smell some nice debates ahead in the tournament

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Your points about Lucy are mainly asumptions and never happened yet, so i don't know how to feel about that. Arguing about the strength of CSK would have been better imo, though this is already being discussed

But what i don't understand is wy you voted for Mira and Sting if you believe Irene and GS are stronger.

I know they're just assumptions but who knows! the manga is in it's last stages and she may get a huge power buff soon. As for Mira and Sting their chance of wining is really low so i give them my votes as a way of supporting.

 

[Axiomus]

Then logically she should be able to copy someone stronger than her. If Gemini itself was already capable of replicating Lucy that means they alone already have at least 100% of her power, if Lucy decides to dedicate another 20% to Gemini then she'd be able to copy someone with 120% of her own strength. But no, the rule is equal to or lower than Lucy.

This doesnt change the fact that as Lucy grows stronger, so too does her spirits.
Lucy doesnt just support their existence, she supports the magic power they consume and use. Different spirits consume and use different amounts of Lucy's magic power, which means she is doing a hell of a lot more than just keeping their gate open, she is also supporting their offensive strength.

Like i said, you are well within your rights to speculate that, i however, disagree and have my own speculations.
Makarov noted a great difference in Lucy's magic power, and unlike against Jackal she was doing that purely with her own strength.
The fact that the CSK was so far above Lucy but was still able to be maintained by her means that the unit ratio of magic power given by Lucy and received by him isnt 1:1, which means a vastly superior Lucy should lead to a vastly superior CSK. Without the strain of carrying Lucy, a wizard who barely meets the requirements of summoning him, he should be significantly stronger.
CSK MP appearing out of nowhere is no different from Lucy's MP appearing out of nowhere from her Star Dresses or Natsu's MP appearing out of nowhere from DF. Assuming that the MP appearing is in fact quantity and not quality(i've always believed that powerups are improvements to an MPs quality). But yeah, you get my point, CSK suddenly being many times stronger as Lucy improves shouldnt be any different from DF being many times stronger as the Dragon Slayer improves.

Gemini was capable of summoning themselves and copying Lucy during the Oracion Seis arc. Current Lucy has had second origin and a year of training, so she's probably stronger than Gemini herself by a fair margin. In any case, it was never explicitly stated that Gemini can't copy someone slightly stronger than Lucy. It was simply stated that it had to be close to Lucy's level of magic, so it wouldn't be able to copy Erza or Laxus for example. It's actually conceivable for her to copy something stronger than her by 20%, and that technically qualifies as "close". Also, remember that Lucy has to use MP to keep the gates open, and this is probably where the majority of her magic power goes into.

Spoiler: Levy explaining Gemini

Lucy doesn't support their existence in the sense that she doesn't create them. She supports them being able to stay in the human world by keeping the gates open. She doesn't support the magic power her spirits have either. We've seen Lucy completely exhausted, yet the CSK can still cast Galaxia Blade. Like I said, the spirits have their own magical power. Some of them can even summon themselves and use magic. Loke was able to do so without taxing Lucy's magical power in Tenrou. This is also the reason why Lucy's star dress even gives her any boost in power. Every time Lucy uses a star dress, she is borrowing magic power from her spirits. If the spirits didn't have any power on their own, Lucy wouldn't be able to borrow their powers. When Makarov mentioned that Lucy's MP felt completely different than from a year before, was because Lucy had a star dress on. We don't actually know how much Lucy's MP improved by herself. It may have been significant, but it probably didn't make her jump several tiers.

Spoiler: Star dress allows Lucy to borrow a bit of her Celestial Spirits' power

Spoiler: It does contain some of my light magic

Natsu's MP doesn't appear out of nowhere for his Dragon Force either. DF is Natsu going all out, and the strength comes from the fact that Natsu is transforming parts of his body into that of a dragon. You can even argue that Natsu is using PoF which is turning his emotions into magical power. Even converting emotions to MP would still mean there's a source for his power. This is different than CSK randomly gaining power from nowhere because of a math trick.

Like you said, Celestial Spirits grow strong whenever their owners Magic strength does. And the only reason why Gemini was able to copy Lucy back in Oracion Seis was because they were Angel's Spirit at the time who was stronger than Lucy that could also have them copy Ichiya and Gray. So in other words of my point, they haven't shown to be able to copy anybody with their own power but only did when they were Angel's Spirit

Yeah that is one of the main reasons why Celestial Spirit Magic does take up a lot of Magic Power which most people don't seem to understand and quick to judge Lucy as being weak due to her stamina (and also there's idiots who only went by using spirits to fight without any knowledge about it) when really she's doing a hella amount of work in terms of the use of Magic Power.

This is not exactly true. Gemini summoned themselves during Oracion Seis to help Lucy destroy one of the legs of Nirvanna. At this point Angel was obviously defeated so it's unlikely she had any magic power left at all. Depending on the time the rune knights arrested her, the contract with Angel may have already been void.

 

[Jko]

1. Irene
2. Natsu
3. God Serena
4. Mira. She can Macro anyone bar Irene, Natsu, and maybe GS. She is pretty good for battle royal types since she can use the weaker individuals as support via Macro or use KOed opponents. She's also the second most versatile person here since she has all the 9D souls, and her physicals are up there since she can match an S12 in Base soul.

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CSK needs to show up again, he'll be a boss. The guy is a legendary being among Dragons, Gods, and immortals. If the CSK was using his own power rather than reliant on Lucy he could even mess up a multitude of S12s. Instantaneous regeneration, timestop, an abundance of celestial spells, insane physicals, and huge AoE. There's a reason CSK was summoned at the minimum of strength and that's bcs he'd solo Tartarus in under a second. He could've easily beat MG at the beginning of the fight as well but didn't bcs Plot demanded that he didn't end the arc right then there.

 

[Doughboy]

Macro would affect Sting but he could still go into the world of shadows to regain his senses, I think the only thing that can put Mira over top Sting is that she solo'd Jacob while Sting needed Rogue and Kagura's help. What works against her is his eyes were closed and Larcade is a way stronger and more threatening opponent, so that basically makes the point mute

 

[Star Frost]

This is not exactly true. Gemini summoned themselves during Oracion Seis to help Lucy destroy one of the legs of Nirvanna. At this point Angel was obviously defeated so it's unlikely she had any magic power left at all. Depending on the time the rune knights arrested her, the contract with Angel may have already been void.

That's only if she was already arrested at the time which isnt far fetched to say she wasn't...not yet at least so no the contract wasn't void. And they also get to keep their transformations unless they choose to dispose if they want or have to since they can hold up to 2, and ofc if the targets done gotten stronger than their owners which as you know they don't got Gray anymore.

 

[Axiomus]

That's only if she was already arrested at the time which isnt far fetched to say she wasn't...not yet at least so no the contract wasn't void. And they also get to keep their transformations unless they choose to dispose if they want or have to since they can hold up to 2, and ofc if the targets done gotten stronger than their owners which as you know they don't got Gray anymore.

Even if Angel wasn't arrested, she was beaten and exhausted. In all likelihood Gemini used their own MP to open the gate and transform into Lucy. In Lucy's form, they had enough power to summon Taurus, and I'm pretty sure Taurus didn't get his MP from Angel/Lucy/Gemini either.

 

[Star Frost]

Even if Angel wasn't arrested, she was beaten and exhausted. In all likelihood Gemini used their own MP to open the gate and transform into Lucy. In Lucy's form, they had enough power to summon Taurus, and I'm pretty sure Taurus didn't get his MP from Angel/Lucy/Gemini either.

I don't think being beaten and exhausted would affect Gemini for as long as their owner's overall level is on par or superior to their targets. And you know if that's the case that Gemini having MP that of at Oracion Seis Lucy level or more than hers, then the time she summoned them before like in Edolas for example, shouldn't she be exhausted or shouldn't had been able to summon them at all if they got more than she do? Not to mention doesnt really make sense that they were able to use their own power to open their gate when Aquarius whose much more stronger that doesn't have an owner right now needed the CSK's power to open hers.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't think being beaten and exhausted would affect Gemini for as long as their owner's overall level is on par or superior to their targets. And you know if that's the case that Gemini having MP that of at Oracion Seis Lucy level or more than hers, then the time she summoned them before like in Edolas for example, shouldn't she be exhausted or shouldn't had been able to summon them at all if they got more than she do? Not to mention doesnt really make sense that they were able to use their own power to open their gate when Aquarius whose much more stronger that doesn't have an owner right now needed the CSK's power to open hers.

It would take magical power for Gemini to summon herself, and then summon Taurus. It would also take magical for Taurus to use attacks. That magical power probably didn't come from Angel. The spirit can be stronger than Lucy, but Lucy can still summon them. She only needs to power to keep the gates open. Well, I'm not sure Aquarius needs the Spirit King to open her gate. He might have done it just because it would be less of a strain on Aquarius. I'm pretty sure if Aquarius absolutely wanted to come into the normal world, she would be able to. Or maybe there's a certain type of magic you have to learn to be able to open your own gate. Either way, it's possible for the spirits to open their own gates, at least some of the times.

 

[Tirl]

Lucy dies first, she is nothing for anyone in this fight.
Sting the second - he is weakest DS with Rogue, one-two strike from Natsu or Irene will ne enough.
Wendy and Natsu lose in last point. They are strong, but here is Serena which can eat all their attacks and also can stomp them with double technique.

And win goes to...
Irene Belserion
God Serena
Eric (Cobra)
Mirajane Strauss

Irene is most powerfull mage in universe.
Eric can evade more of attacks.
Mira may not join fight with her Macro, only Irene can block it, but in few seconds battle already will be over.

 

[Star Frost]

It would take magical power for Gemini to summon herself, and then summon Taurus. It would also take magical for Taurus to use attacks. That magical power probably didn't come from Angel. The spirit can be stronger than Lucy, but Lucy can still summon them. Well, I'm not sure Aquarius needs the Spirit King to open her gate. He might have done it just because it would be less of a strain on Aquarius. I'm pretty sure if Aquarius absolutely wanted to come into the normal world, she would be able to. Or maybe there's a certain type of magic you have to learn to be able to open your own gate. Either way, it's possible for the spirits to open their own gates, at least some of the times.

I don't see how that make sense. How can they be stronger than Lucy yet she can still summon them? Her power has to be on par with or above theirs in order to do that which is why it was stated the power to open 3 Zodiac gates allows you to open the CSK's gate for example. No it got more to do with having enough power to do it, would've stated so if that's the case. Also back when Lucy fought Bickslow, Loke noted how he was the only one able to open his gate which shows none of them could do it and I find it confusing that he asked Lucy to close his gate during the fight and she collapsed afterwards which Happy noted from using 2 of the Zodiacs which he and Sagittarius were the only ones used. There's also the fact how Lucy was shocked that Virgo had managed to open her gate back in Oracion Seis Arc and it may been a filler scene but Horologium, who used that new Automatic Danger Response opened his own gate, said it was due to Lucy's magic growth that they were able to do it and you already know Celestial Spirits become stronger whenever their owner's magical level increases. So by Aquarius not being Lucy's or anybody with good magic power to give her the power to open her own gate is probably the reason why she needed the CSK.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't see how that make sense. How can they be stronger than Lucy yet she can still summon them? Her power has to be on par with or above theirs in order to do that which is why it was stated you need to have the power of having 3 Zodiac gates to be able to open the CSK's gate for example. No it got more to do with having enough power to do it, would've stated so if that's the case. Also back when Lucy fought Bickslow, Loke noted how he was the only one able to open his gate which shows none of them could do it and I find it confusing that he asked Lucy to close his gate during the fight and she collapsed afterwards which Happy noted from using 2 of the Zodiacs which he and Sagittarius were the only ones used. There's also the fact how Lucy was shocked that Virgo had managed to open her gate back in Oracion Seis Arc and it may been a filler scene but Horologium, who used that new Automatic Danger Response opened his own gate, said it was due to Lucy's magic growth that they were able to do it and you already know Celestial Spirits become stronger whenever their owner's magical level increases. So by Aquarius not being Lucy's or anybody with good magic power to give her the power to open her own gate is probably the reason why she needed the CSK.

Lucy only needs to use her magical power to keep the gates open. Being able to keep 3 gates open at the same time means you can keep the CSK's gate open at the same time. It doesn't mean you are as powerful as the CSK. We know that Aquarius is stronger than Lucy herself. Aquarius' is Lucy's strongest spirit, and the version of Urano Metria her star dress allows Lucy to cast is much stronger than the version she can cast by herself and Gemini.

Again, I don't think Aquarius is incapable of opening her own gate. It's simply much less taxing for the someone else to do so. If she is incapable of opening her own gate, it's probably not out of a lack of magical power. I don't recall Loke ever saying that he was the only spirit that can open his own gate. We've seen Horologium open his own gate as well. You're going to have to find a quote for me on Horologium's statement as well. Virgo too opened her gate to change Lucy's clothes when Lucy ran out of magical power after fighting Angel. So doesn't this mean that spirits weaker than Loke can open their own gates as well?