Group Group D Battle Royale

[Ice devil slayer]

1) Natsu..i mean he's clearly the strongest here..i can see easily see him being spriggan's tier no doubt about that..
2)Wahl icht : Defeated by the strongest ft members for me..
3) Gray (Hype atm..but he's going to be really really strong..no doubt about my boy)
4) To sherria

 

[Coné]

Natsu, Neinheart, TO Sherria and Wahl are my choices. Natsu and Wahl are no-brainers. Wahl is around Laxus' level and Natsu has had the most notorious feats so far. Neinheart because one of his illusions was already giving Gray enough trouble as it was, he managed to defeat an injured Erza with 3 illusions, he could create illusions of Hades' level and he was able to damage someone like Jellal with a casual blast. As for TO Sherria, I was hesitant between her and Gray, but Gray is lacking in feats as of now, so this is my choice.

Erza didn't use PoF against Ajeel. Erza would've lost against Kyôka if she didn't receive a PoF power-up, which is a fact because Erza was chanceless against Kyôka before that.

Laxus tanked almost every spell that Wahl used against him. Etherion does take time to cast, Kyôka will crush him before that.



1). I said Juvia would oneshot Ajeel in a battle royale, once he doesn't pay attention.

2). I said Ajeel is fodder compared to the other Spriggans.

Anyway, going off-topic now.

And? Tartaros Erza is vastly inferior to Current Erza.

Kyouka would be one-shotted by any of Assault Wahl's attacks. Wahl's attack potency was comparable to Laxus' and any of Laxus' attacks should have a comparable attack potency to that of the casual nuke, And Kyouka doesn't have any feats that make her able of tanking that nuke.

Even if Juvia can bypass Ajeel's intangibility with her water, she isn't nearly powerful enough to damage him.
Ajeel is only fodder to someone like Eilleen or August. Come on now. Just because he doesn't have something like timestop doesn't mean he isn't strong.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

A flame war always seems to start in a battle discusion whenever Natsu is involved....

 

[Pirate Queen]

A flame war always seems to start in a battle discusion whenever Natsu is involved....

Main characters always get hate. If Natsu was as serious as laxus in his fights then there wouldn't be flame wars. But hiro likes to troll Natsu by making him act goofy in the middle of a fight and to natsu haters it gives them fuel. Naruto got the same treatment for being an airbrain lol.

 

[Coné]

Main characters always get hate. If Natsu was as serious as laxus in his fights then there wouldn't be flame wars. But hiro likes to troll Natsu by making him act goofy in the middle of a fight and to natsu haters it gives them fuel. Naruto got the same treatment for being an airbrain lol.

No. Hiro doesn't troll Natsu. Actually, he gives him too much sportlight, as in Avatar arc.

 

[Pirate Queen]

No. Hiro doesn't troll Natsu. Actually, he gives him too much sportlight, as in Avatar arc.

You mean gives the main character of his manga too much spotlight??? He's a flipping maniac! Who has ever heard of such a thing??? That damned Oda gives Luffy way too much screen time as well!

Don't get me started on Dragon Ball Z! That Goku fella is always there! We need a damned break from the MAIN CHARACTERS of the manga whose plot revolves on them! Give me a damn break!

Oh and one more thing? Screw Sailor Moon, i was so tired of looking at Sailr Moon she made me sick!

You get my point...

 

[Nemispelled]

Mira Jane's curse didnt work on him. Thats proof that curses dont work on him. Im not making it up.

TO Chelia does not have the added benefit of facing a god. Wahl isn't a god.

I hope your not getting upset. You told us to try and convince you and i am. I understand Wahl's magic very well, but i must just not be using the correct wording. Ill correct myself from now on

Ah don't worry, I don't get upset. In case you are not familiar with me, I use a lot of bolding to emphasize my point. I'm merely discussing.


But back on topic, I don't see anywhere in the manga that showed Mira's Macro didn't work. In fact, Mira never used Macro on Wahl or one of his soldiers.

She used Macro on fodder Alvarez soldiers and after that Wahl commented on Macro.

He said he knew about Macro, the demon curses, and about Zeref's play toys (demons).

Unless I'm looking at the wrong chapters (which is possible), then I don't see where Demonic Curses don't work on Wahl.





Wahl may not be a god, but Third Origin Chelia and Secret Art should be strong enough to blow Wahl to pieces by brute force. Again, Wahl does not have admirable defense.


Not being mean to you, but I'm still not convinced enough to change my answers on the polls.

Wahl is not human. He's a robot. He doesn't have biological senses like you and I have. He has machinery. If Kyouka's curse can make machinery stop working, then fine. However, Wahl also has the ability to reconfigure himself. He can re-arrange his face. All has to do is create another set of optics or something.

Kyouka would die if she merges with too much magical power. Wahl has more magical power than Kyouka has curse power.

I don't see your point here. What does biological senses and Kyoka and machinery have to do with each other?


I never heard of anybody dying because they have too much power. You must be a fodder. There is no reason why Kyoka can't absorb or at the very least, drain Wahl's power.


At any rate, once Wahl loses power, Kyoka has the advantage both intelligence and power, outclassing Wahl on all levels.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

I don't want to sound like an ass here, but is Kyoka actually being compared to Wahl right now?

 

[Axiomus]

I don't see your point here. What does biological senses and Kyoka and machinery have to do with each other?


I never heard of anybody dying because they have too much power. You must be a fodder. There is no reason why Kyoka can't absorb or at the very least, drain Wahl's power.


At any rate, once Wahl loses power, Kyoka has the advantage both intelligence and power, outclassing Wahl on all levels.

Wahl's senses work differently than human senses. For example, stone and figure eyes don't work on robots. It's debatable if he even has a sense of pain. it's debatable if Kyouka's curse would be able to effect his senses at all.

Kyouka would die if she fuses with too much magic power. Curse power is fueled by magical barrier particles, and those particles are anti-ethernano. Wahl has enough magic capable of casting Etherion, so the sheer amount of magical power in Wahl would pretty much overpower Kyouka's curse power.

Spoiler

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ah don't worry, I don't get upset. In case you are not familiar with me, I use a lot of bolding to emphasize my point. I'm merely discussing.


But back on topic, I don't see anywhere in the manga that showed Mira's Macro didn't work. In fact, Mira never used Macro on Wahl or one of his soldiers.

She used Macro on fodder Alvarez soldiers and after that Wahl commented on Macro.

He said he knew about Macro, the demon curses, and about Zeref's play toys (demons).

Unless I'm looking at the wrong chapters (which is possible), then I don't see where Demonic Curses don't work on Wahl.





Wahl may not be a god, but Third Origin Chelia and Secret Art should be strong enough to blow Wahl to pieces by brute force. Again, Wahl does not have admirable defense.


Not being mean to you, but I'm still not convinced enough to change my answers on the polls.








I don't see your point here. What does biological senses and Kyoka and machinery have to do with each other?


I never heard of anybody dying because they have too much power. You must be a fodder. There is no reason why Kyoka can't absorb or at the very least, drain Wahl's power.


At any rate, once Wahl loses power, Kyoka has the advantage both intelligence and power, outclassing Wahl on all levels.

It is stated when she uses Macro that some of the Alverez fodder arround Wahl, including, wahl himself, are not affected by her power because he is nullifying it. Just like he nullified the barrier. Perhaps i am understanding that chapter wrong, but it looks like he was the reason that the soldiers around him werent falling asleep.

Welp, i tried to convience you and failed. Good luck to your chosen people going to the next round.

Good debate!

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I don't want to sound like an ass here, but is Kyoka actually being compared to Wahl right now?

A friendly debate to change his mind about his chosen people. I am of the same thinking but to each his own

 

[Coné]

You mean gives the main character of his manga too much spotlight??? He's a flipping maniac! Who has ever heard of such a thing??? That damned Oda gives Luffy way too much screen time as well!

Don't get me started on Dragon Ball Z! That Goku fella is always there! We need a damned break from the MAIN CHARACTERS of the manga whose plot revolves on them! Give me a damn break!

Oh and one more thing? Screw Sailor Moon, i was so tired of looking at Sailr Moon she made me sick!

You get my point...

That's not what I'm referring to. Natsu doesn't get trolled by Hiro. He fought with Zeref. He vaporized a lake and defeated Jacob as soon as he got serious. He vaporized Ajeel's attacks casually. He one-shotted Bluenote. Period.

 

[Nemispelled]

A flame war always seems to start in a battle discusion whenever Natsu is involved....

Very funny bro. And people always act cold towards each other when Gray is brought in.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That's not what I'm referring to. Natsu doesn't get trolled by Hiro. He fought with Zeref. He vaporized a lake and defeated Jacob as soon as he got serious. He vaporized Ajeel's attacks casually. He one-shotted Bluenote. Period.

I get what you are saying. But others are still doubring his capabilities. Im telling you. He could solo August, the Magic King, by one-shot and people would still doubt him. I agree with you. He should be on center stage though

 

[Coné]

Kyouka wouldn't even come close to Wahl. And why would we assume TO Sherria has the same attack potency as Laxus, whose physical hits were easily tanked by Wahl.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Very funny bro. And people always act cold towards each other when Gray is brought in.

And when Laxus is involved....

I dont know... *something witty about electricity*

--- Double Post Merged, May 22, 2016, Original Post Date: May 22, 2016 ---

PEOPLE GET SHOCKED WHEN LAXUS GETS INVOLVED!!!
whew, just in time

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I don't understand how we can discut about natsu's powers..he's litteraly one shotted a spriggans once he got serious..kick zeref's ass (but zeref was not serious) os bluenote..that dude is spriggan's level..
My only problem here is gray..because i know he's gonna be very strong but atm he's featless..

 

[Nemispelled]

Wahl's senses work differently than human senses. For example, stone and figure eyes don't work on robots. It's debatable if he even has a sense of pain. it's debatable if Kyouka's curse would be able to effect his senses at all.

Kyouka would die if she fuses with too much magic power. Curse power is fueled by magical barrier particles, and those particles are anti-ethernano. Wahl has enough magic capable of casting Etherion, so the sheer amount of magical power in Wahl would pretty much overpower Kyouka's curse power.

Spoiler

Well, I didn't say anything about senses, but I do agree that it can be debatable. The only thing I said was Kyoka's Absorption Curse and Etherious Form (breaking Erza's Armadura bare-handed).


As for your panel, Absorption Curse works differently.

I never heard about Curse Power = Magical Barrier Particles = Anti-Ethernano.


Let me explain it this way. Kyoka's Absorption Curse works exactly like DBZ's androids. It doesn't use up any of her Curse Power.

Simply put, she extracts magical energy and absorbs it into her own body, to increase her power.



The panel that you showed me is different. In that panel, Kyoka specifically says Organic Link.



Now for those that don't know what Organic Link is, it is a type of magic that links magical power and curse power in order to speed up Face's Activation Time.

In other words, she has to use the link between magic power and curse power to speed up the magic pulse bomb's detonation.



It's not fusing the magic power and curse power that is killing her, it's using that link to detonate a bomb on the magnitude of Face (which is a lot stronger than Etherion).



Fusing =/= Organic Link



In this case, Organic Link is specifically a magic that allows Kyoka to detonate Face, which, with her Absorption Curse, she does not need to do anything with Face. She doesn't even need to use the link between magic power and curse power to operate a system.

She is simply draining Wahl of his power and using the power for herself.



EDIT:

Kyoka's Absorption Curse is the exact same as Franmalth's.

And Franmalth absorbed all kinds of magical power including Natsu's and Hades', and he didn't die from it.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't understand how we can discut about natsu's powers..he's litteraly one shotted a spriggans once he got serious..kick zeref's ass (but zeref was not serious) os bluenote..that dude is spriggan's level..
My only problem here is gray..because i know he's gonna be very strong but atm he's featless..

I have Gray on Erza's level, and that should put him ahead of Chelia. That being said, Gray really needs more feats before we can judge him. I'm going to look at Gajeel's fight with Bradman, and if he does well I'll scale Gray above Chelia.

Well, I didn't say anything about senses, but I do agree that it can be debatable. The only thing I said was Kyoka's Absorption Curse and Etherious Form (breaking Erza's Armadura bare-handed).


As for your panel, Absorption Curse works differently.

I never heard about Curse Power = Magical Barrier Particles = Anti-Ethernano.


Let me explain it this way. Kyoka's Absorption Curse works exactly like DBZ's androids. It doesn't use up any of her Curse Power.

Simply put, she extracts magical energy and absorbs it into her own body, to increase her power.



The panel that you showed me is different. In that panel, Kyoka specifically says Organic Link.



Now for those that don't know what Organic Link is, it is a type of magic that links magical power and curse power in order to speed up Face's Activation Time.

In other words, she has to use the link between magic power and curse power to speed up the magic pulse bomb's detonation.



It's not fusing the magic power and curse power that is killing her, it's using that link to detonate a bomb on the magnitude of Face (which is a lot stronger than Etherion).



Fusing =/= Organic Link



In this case, Organic Link is specifically a magic that allows Kyoka to detonate Face, which, with her Absorption Curse, she does not need to do anything with Face. She doesn't even need to use the link between magic power and curse power to operate a system.

She is simply draining Wahl of his power and using the power for herself.

Oh, I thought you meant Kyouka's ability to seal senses. That's what I'm saying is debatable. Since Wahl is a machine, he doesn't processes senses like you and I do. He can probably attach a camera to his chest and use that for vision.

The anti-ethernano particles are what gives demonfies people like Minerva and Jiemma, and used to restore Tempesta and Jackal. Magical barrier particles/Demon Particles/Anti-Ethernano particles are the same thing, different translations. In the raws, they are all 魔障粒子. It gets extremely confusing if you read the various translations, but these particles are what demonizes Minerva and Jiemma, what restores Tempesta and Jackal, what Tempesta explodes into, and what Keith is made out of. Organic link is when you link yourself to something else. in this case, Kyouka is fusing her curse power to Face's magic power. The magic power from face is what would kill her. Wahl's power is a source of magic power capable of casting Etherion, and the Spriggans have power-levels greater than any enemy Fairy tail has faced before. Wahl might not have more magical power than Face, but he has more magical power than Kyouka has curse power.

In any case, Kyouka's never used this curse to absorb magic power from incoming attacks, and she was taken out by Erza's katana. Wahl is more than capable of using physical strikes in assault mode to deal blunt force damage. This is really more important than anything else. At the end of the day, Kyouka doesn't fight like Franmalth.

 

[Coné]

What would Kyouka's Absorption Curse do when Wahl can simply one-shot her?

 

[Nemispelled]

Organic link is when you link yourself to something else. in this case, Kyouka is fusing her curse power to Face's magic power. The magic power from face is what would kill her.

Yeah, but Kyoka should be able to absorb Wahl's power without dying. As I said, it's not fusing magic and curse that kills you, it's using the link between the two to operate a system like Face that kills you.


Franmalth absorbed magical power from thousands of souls including Hades. He even absorbed some of Natsu's magic power.

So Kyoka can absorb all of Wahl's magic power, which leaves Wahl weak and dumb. Meanwhile Kyoka will be powered up and she already has her intelligence.

I don't see how Kyoka doesn't beat Wahl and move on to the next stage.




EDIT:

Even if it wasn't stated in the manga, Franmalth and Kyoka both use Absorption Curse, so the end-game is still the same.

Absorbing magic power won't kill Kyoka. That's for sure.


Franmalth uses Curse Power too, just exactly likely Kyoka. And fusing magic power and his curse power didn't kill him, so it shouldn't kill Kyoka.


We never had evidence of Franmalth or Kyoka ever saying that they had a limit to what they can absorb.

If that's the case, Franmalth wouldn't be so happy every time he decided to absorb somebody's magic, let alone actually absorbing somebody's magic.

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What would Kyouka's Absorption Curse do when Wahl can simply one-shot her?

In her Etherious Form? That's not happening.

When Wahl decides to one-shot her, Kyoka will smash a hole in his body just like she did with Erza's Armadura. And that's if she is bare-handed.