Politics Hamas-Israel conflict

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HAMAS LEADER KILLED IN AIR STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Akainu]

one of the many...
there are even some that reside in other countries like Syria.

oh and about trusting media... that's kinda difficult atm since there is no not biased comment. either it's information they got from IDF or like CNN from palastenian reporters directly out of Gaza.

 

[thsv]

that's kinda difficult atm since there is no not biased comment.

Is that in reference to posts in this thread? Because as I said earlier Hamas' action's provide Israels hardliners with the excuse they need to bomb Gaza.

Fatah is being smart. I'm sure they would attack Israel, but why do it since Hamas will do it anyway? Those two parties are in opposition aren't they? So Fatah is playing it safe and smart.

Seems last month Egypt tried to get Hamas and Fatah to Cairo for reconciliation talks. Hamas refused. Hence why Egypt have kept the border closed. They don't want ownership of the problem. What I can't understand is if Hamas and Fatah ultimately have the same goal (A free Palestine?) why the refusal?

 

[segua]

Differing ideologies on how to best proceed to meet the goal I assume.

 

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It's all good discussing the conflict, but let's see some pics from the Palestinian side. If you can find pics from the Israel side, go ahead.

The news we see probably don't show the full scale of things.
I advise people in this thread, to look at every pic, to understand the issue properly, we need to see the harsh reality that is taking place.


Warning: These pictures are quite explicit.

Just take the time to look at every picture: http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

Regardless the site being biased, the pictures are real nevertheless.



Maybe it's not all about rights to a land, people built up anger not for ownership but from seeing everything taken away from them (their family, freinds, homes) instead.

 

[Akainu]

the pictures may be real but as you said it is biased. people die by Qassam rockets yet none was shown in the pictures. those rockets let people live in fear - try to depict fear with a simple photo.
And also: pictures lie: some time ago I think before the second Intifada there was a picture/video showing a palestinian child being shot in the arms of his father, everyone was like how can soldiers from Israel do something like that and so on BUT the picture that went through media didn't show who shot. it was just half of the picture or so and zooming out would have shown that it were palestinian forces...
(thus we could never be sure those pictures were not taken during the Hamas vs. Fatah war last year). sorry for the excursion ^^'

regardless of this you are right saying the conflict built up anger and only still exists because of this and that this anger is passed on to he next generations.

 

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the pictures may be real but as you said it is biased. people die by Qassam rockets yet none was shown in the pictures. those rockets let people live in fear - try to depict fear with a simple photo.
And also: pictures lie: some time ago I think before the second Intifada there was a picture/video showing a palestinian child being shot in the arms of his father, everyone was like how can soldiers from Israel do something like that and so on BUT the picture that went through media didn't show who shot. it was just half of the picture or so and zooming out would have shown that it were palestinian forces...
(thus we could never be sure those pictures were not taken during the Hamas vs. Fatah war last year). sorry for the excursion ^^'

regardless of this you are right saying the conflict built up anger and only still exists because of this and that this anger is passed on to he next generations.

I didn't get what you meant, were you saying Palestinian forces shot a Palestinian boy, but people thought it were the Israeli? or are you saying it could have be palestinian forces, if that's the case, any Israeli attack could have been done by their own people....

 

[Akainu]

the former.
I'm currently trying to find information about it. as far as I remember it wasn't even on purpose, but that doesn't matter much does it?

edit:
here about the story in general
this despite being Wikipedia has a lot of quotes and sources and covers the dispute quite well I think

 

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the former.
I'm currently trying to find information about it. as far as I remember it wasn't even on purpose, but that doesn't matter much does it?

That's a rare case in itself, looking at the pictures, you most know it's most likely done due to Israeli attacks.

 

[segua]

That video with the father and son seems to be fake or I call it fake. After watching it a few times through, the boys position was odd though the father was a good actor. Behavior didn't seem natural for the boy. I suppose I should do an indepth study on it. I say more propaganda to fuel the war.

Those pictures are very interesting. Don't let it play with your emotions. If you do get angry though, make sure you know who to direct your anger to.

I wonder if this war might also be about oil. I've heard that there might just be oil in Israel. So this war could be a front for Israel to obtain oil independency.

 

[redcometfm]

Holy shit, Israel's an hour away from entering Gaza...

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Looking at the background of the conflict(Israel finding the abduction tunnel, Hama's rocket response) and then looking at the statistics of death on each side which is 400 to 4 it really does make me feel sorry for the people of Gaza.

But to be fair around 25% have been civilians which at least means that the Israeli's have certainly tried to keep the bombing to goverment/military related buildings.

Hamas is a goverment elected group who beat the much more moderate(or they just have common sense) Fatah group. Seriously not a good idea to vote people in who are willing to fire rockets at Israel. A lot of the palestinian have themselves to blame...(yeah thats going to sound bad)

Not sure about much when it comes to the invasion except one for thing, their will be outrage from the International Community.

Edited: Front page include Reuters article about the invasion.

 

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Not surprised that US are backing Israel.

 

[redcometfm]

That's always been the US' position since Israel was formed. Good of them to push hard for a mutual ceasefire.

 

[Teekuh]

and yet again 99% of all the people killed are innocent people. I realy don't understand it, one side attacks so the other one has to attack back. This over and over untill ? I can understand if two teens are doing this, both age 12, one punches the other one at school, so other one fights back. But is this a matter of just teens or are the people in charge there adults?
What does violence solve realy ?

If religion is only good for causing war, casulties & difference among people then I sure question if religion is worth of having.
Let alone using religion as an excuse to fight. Holy war mm, since when is war holy :/ I don't get it, I realy don't.

Just hope it will come at a ceasefire soon since the shots of young innocent children getting brought into the hospital on tv are killing me

peace, not war :/
share culture, not devide :/

 

[redcometfm]

Hamas hides behind its civilians. Its a cowardly, manipulative organization that will use any means to further their cause.

 

[thsv]

and yet again 99% of all the people killed are innocent people. I realy don't understand it, one side attacks so the other one has to attack back. This over and over untill ? I can understand if two teens are doing this, both age 12, one punches the other one at school, so other one fights back. But is this a matter of just teens or are the people in charge there adults?
What does violence solve realy ?

If religion is only good for causing war, casulties & difference among people then I sure question if religion is worth of having.
Let alone using religion as an excuse to fight. Holy war mm, since when is war holy :/ I don't get it, I realy don't.

Just hope it will come at a ceasefire soon since the shots of young innocent children getting brought into the hospital on tv are killing me

peace, not war :/
share culture, not devide :/

99%? More like 20%

Israeli defense spokeswoman came out with a comment yesterday which sums up why civilians are getting killed.

"I don't have a rocket dump in my basement. And yet Hamas is positioning its military infrastructure in civilian areas"

Strange how this only became an international news story when Israel fought back. If any other country on the planet had fired rockets into it's neighbors territory it'd be an act of war. And yet Israel gets called a bully.

 

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To be fair Hamas kinda suck since their rockets hardly do much/as much damage, on the other hand Israel's does, one damages the other more.

 

[redcometfm]

Yeah but those rockets are still injuring and killing people. Israel was patient (even though they knew it wouldnt stop) but finally enough was enough and I dont blame them for firing back. I just kinda wish they that when they enter Gaza, theyll go directly for the Hamas gov't instead of trying to fighting their troops for blocks on end to beat them into submission.

 

[Akasunanosasori]

Yeah but those rockets are still injuring and killing people.

they killed 5 n injured 50 max and israel killed more than 500 n injured more than 2000.

Israel was patient (even though they knew it wouldnt stop) but finally enough was enough and I dont blame them for firing back.

Patient ?? by stopping medical help and food sent to ghaza ?? by cutting all the power n gaz ??

I just kinda wish they that when they enter Gaza, theyll go directly for the Hamas gov't instead of trying to fighting their troops for blocks on end to beat them into submission.

U are a retarded who just enjoy war n watching inocent ppl die .