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Rockets from Lebanon hit Israel amid Gaza offensive
By Allyn Fisher-Ilan

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Several rockets fired from Lebanon struck northern Israel Thursday, slightly wounding two people, police and medics said, in attacks seen as linked to Israel's war on Hamas Islamists in the Gaza Strip.

Israel hit back after a first salvo with artillery shells in what an Israeli army spokesman described as "a pinpoint response at the source of fire" -- a limited military reaction that appeared to signal a desire to avoid escalation.

Three hours later, Israeli emergency services said at least one more rocket had landed. There appeared to be no casualties.

There were no reports of casualties in Lebanon.

It was not immediately clear whether Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas -- against whom Israel fought a 2006 war -- or Palestinians fired the rockets in a new challenge to the Jewish state on the 13th day of a Gaza campaign.

Lebanese security sources said they felt it was unlikely Hezbollah fired the salvoes, which came from an area controlled by U.N. peacekeepers and the Lebanese army, about 3 km (two miles) north of the border. Hamas sources in Lebanon denied involvement.

In the Gaza Strip, Israeli aircraft bombed targets across the Hamas-ruled territory, killing three militants and a woman. A civilian was shot dead during an army raid in southern Gaza.

U.S. backing for a truce proposal raised expectations of an end to an onslaught that has killed more than 600 Palestinians.

Israeli forces have been on alert in the north, anticipating that Hezbollah or Palestinian groups could fire rockets into northern Israel and lend support to Hamas and the Gaza Strip's 1.5 million inhabitants. Some 4,000 Hezbollah rockets hit Israel in the 2006 conflict.

"We took into account there would be an attempt by Palestinian groups to express solidarity," Israeli cabinet minister Shalom Simchon said after the rocket attack.

Shi'ite Hezbollah has not opened fire since Israel started bombarding the Gaza enclave on December 27 with the declared aim of halting Hamas rocket attacks.

Palestinian groups in Lebanon have also been known to fire rockets and Israeli military affairs commentators said it was more likely they were responsible for the rockets that hit the Israeli resort town of Nahariya and three other locations.

One rocket punched a hole in the roof of a home for the elderly in Nahariya. The Magen David Adom ambulance service said two people were slightly wounded and several were treated for shock after what police said were at least three rocket strikes.

HEAVY BOMBARDMENT

In the occupied West Bank, Israeli police shot and killed a Palestinian who tried to set fire to a gas station at a Jewish settlement, an Israeli rescue service said. Police confirmed the shooting but not the man's condition.
Residents in Gaza described an overnight bombardment to the east of the city as among the heaviest in the offensive. In the south of the territory tanks advanced closer to the town of Khan Younis, witnesses said.

Although Israel pressed on with the offensive, it said it accepted the "principles" of a European-Egyptian ceasefire proposal. The United States urged Israel to study the plan.

Israel's assault resumed after a brief pause Wednesday to help Gaza's inhabitants stock up on much-needed supplies.

Twenty Palestinians were killed Wednesday, medics said, including three children in an air strike on a car. The total Palestinian deathtoll was at least 661, according to medical officials.

U.N. officials have said a quarter of the Palestinian dead were civilians, while other accounts put that proportion higher.

Ten Israelis have died in the past 13 days, seven of them soldiers, including four killed by "friendly" fire.

With both George W. Bush's outgoing administration and President-elect Barack Obama speaking out on the need for peace, officials said Israel would send an envoy to Cairo to discuss how the Egyptian plan might be implemented.

That may take several days. In the meantime, Israeli military commanders appear determined to keep up the pressure on the ground, even if a decision on whether to launch a new phase by targeting militants in Gaza's urban centres was put off.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice echoed Israel's concerns that a deal must achieve its goal of stopping the Hamas Islamists who rule Gaza from hitting Israel with rockets.

"It has to be a ceasefire that will not allow a return to the status quo," she said.

Hamas said it was looking at the Egyptian plan, brokered by France, which addresses Israel's demand that the militant group be prevented from rearming through smuggling tunnels from Egypt. The proposal also addresses Hamas's call for an end to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Tuesday's killing by Israeli shells of 42 people, including women and children sheltering in a U.N.-run school in Jabalya refugee camp, intensified international pressure on Israel to call a halt. U.N. officials denied an Israeli army account that militants had been firing from the school.

Israel has said it will press on until Hamas can no longer hit its southern towns with rockets. Israeli leaders face a parliamentary election in a month and will want to show the public that they have met that objective.

However, U.S. involvement of the kind that helped end the Lebanon war and which was perceived as absent in the first week of the Gaza fighting may indicate that, whatever the state of combat on the ground, a ceasefire could be on the cards.

Some Israeli analysts say Israel faces a deadline to wrap up its campaign by the time Obama is sworn in, or risk a strain in ties with Washington at the outset of the new administration.

European governments have proposed backing the Egyptian ceasefire proposal with an EU force along the Gaza-Egypt border that would prevent Hamas, which seized control of Gaza in 2007, from rearming through its many tunnels.
Hamas called off a six-month ceasefire late last month, accusing Israel of breaking an agreement to ease supplies.

(Additional reporting by Yara Bayoumy in Beirut and Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Writing by Alastair Macdonald and Jeffrey Heller; Editing by xx)
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5053R720090108

Please, god, don't let it get worse than it is already.
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That's why I think that until Hamas is wiped out nothing will change.
 

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That's why I think that until Hamas is wiped out nothing will change.
Hamas sources in Lebanon denied involvement.
Please, can you actually read the entire article before saying such a thing?
No one can affirm what you said between lines.. only those who did launch the attack :notrust
 

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Wiping out Hamas won't make things better, Hamas won't just go away because while trying to kill off Hamas you cause greater hatred in Palestine by killing their loved ones, meaning people from their hatred will join up and fight back against Israel, might not be Hamas but another group will be created if that's the case. Fighting in this conflict won't make things better.
 

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The news that missiles came from Lebanon shocked me. I really wasn't expecting it. I hope this madness doesn't get bigger. There are many Palestinian refugees in Lebanon so it can be from them and if there are sane people in Israel they will not hold the Lebanese government responsible.

Israel should not start another front with Lebanon because Syria may (most definitely) enter into it and then Iran will support Syria forcing US to counter balance Iran in the region and ,in worst case, forcing them to start a war with them. That sets of the entire Middle East on fire.

Israel is over playing is hand. Destroying Hamas is one thing, killing 600 civilians so far is another matter. But what is really pathetic is the useless, clueless, utterly irrelevant US president and US secretary of state that are almost invisible in this matter. People expect leadership from the world’s most powerful nation and we are acting like a sitting duck. Buu-fucking-huu

I tell you one thing, no matter what, I’m not going to get drafted for war with Iran! I’ll move to Canada if that shit happens.
 

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The news that missiles came from Lebanon shocked me. I really wasn't expecting it. I hope this madness doesn't get bigger. There are many Palestinian refugees in Lebanon so it can be from them and if there are sane people in Israel they will not hold the Lebanese government responsible.

Israel should not start another front with Lebanon because Syria may (most definitely) enter into it and then Iran will support Syria forcing US to counter balance Iran in the region and ,in worst case, forcing them to start a war with them. That sets of the entire Middle East on fire.

Israel is over playing is hand. Destroying Hamas is one thing, killing 600 civilians so far is another matter. But what is really pathetic is the useless, clueless, utterly irrelevant US president and US secretary of state that are almost invisible in this matter. People expect leadership from the world’s most powerful nation and we are acting like a sitting duck. Buu-fucking-huu

I tell you one thing, no matter what, I’m not going to get drafted for war with Iran! I’ll move to Canada if that shit happens.
It's to be expected George Bush even Obama will back up Israel. Otherwise they wouldn't be in that Presidential seat in the 1st place.
 

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Israel is over playing is hand. Destroying Hamas is one thing, killing 600 civilians so far is another matter. But what is really pathetic is the useless, clueless, utterly irrelevant US president and US secretary of state that are almost invisible in this matter. People expect leadership from the world’s most powerful nation and we are acting like a sitting duck. Buu-fucking-huu

I tell you one thing, no matter what, I’m not going to get drafted for war with Iran! I’ll move to Canada if that shit happens.
tell me if I'm wrong, but up to now it were 600 persons killed - not civilians.
civilians are said to make up 1/5th to 1/4th of that.
not that it matters ...

anyway, I too hope this won't overflow even more!
and well ... Bush is a lame Duck atm ... and Obama has a bit too much respect d'you think?
 

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Hamas sources in Lebanon denied involvement.
Please, can you actually read the entire article before saying such a thing?
No one can affirm what you said between lines.. only those who did launch the attack :notrust
Hezbollah is always backing Hamas.
Did Fatah launch missiles from the other part of Palestina?---> NO!
Only people supporting Hamas are attacking Israel.
There are even some Arab countries asking Israel to deal quickly with Hamas cuz at least they know what's the real problem in Palestina.
 

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tell me if I'm wrong, but up to now it were 600 persons killed - not civilians.
civilians are said to make up 1/5th to 1/4th of that.
not that it matters ...

anyway, I too hope this won't overflow even more!
and well ... Bush is a lame Duck atm ... and Obama has a bit too much respect d'you think?
Obama has disappointed me in couple of occasions but he needs time to prove himself. Let’s see if the blank check to Israel stops (wishful thinking)


That 1/4, 1/5 that you mentioned is not only wrong but also ridiculous. According to UN, more than 500 were civilians. Hamas is not releasing their casualties so what UN is counting is the body of civilians. Yesterday alone more than 45 “civilians” died.
 

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my source, which also says it was said by UN: here
(Total Killed: 697
Militants: ~150
Policemen: 138
Civilians: ~350 (MoH), ~25% UN)
Unknown: 60)

UN says 1/4th, palestinians say 350
 

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Hezbollah is always backing Hamas.
Did Fatah launch missiles from the other part of Palestina?---> NO!
Only people supporting Hamas are attacking Israel.
There are even some Arab countries asking Israel to deal quickly with Hamas cuz at least they know what's the real problem in Palestina.
You see dude, when you know that little about a country and make a statement, your comments fails as being informative or interesting and instead turns to a joke. Do you think there is only Hezbollah is Lebanon? Do you know about the Palestinians refugees or other very powerful Sunni groups in that country?

I don't want to be rude to anyone, I love you all, but some of you have very superficial knowledge about this issue yet waste no time to justify the killing of civilians. Killing civilians is wrong, be it in New York on 9/11, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Madrid or in Palestine. If you’re OK with killing women and children and justify it simply as self defense you are not a human being. I’m sorry but humans have moral values.


my source, which also says it was said by UN: here
(Total Killed: 697
Militants: ~150
Policemen: 138
Civilians: ~350 (MoH), ~25% UN)
Unknown: 60)

UN says 1/4th, palestinians say 350
This is my last response here, i have classes at 2 pm and it's 8 am here with me still behind a computer -_-"

Your source was Ma'an news agency not the Palestinian ministry. Hamas is not releasing it's casualties (unlike what you wrote there) but i guess you can come with the defense that there is no way to verify these numbers.

and since when 350 of 600 is 1/4???????????????????? ( the UN claim)
 
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my source, which also says it was said by UN: here
(Total Killed: 697
Militants: ~150
Policemen: 138
Civilians: ~350 (MoH), ~25% UN)
Unknown: 60)

UN says 1/4th, palestinians say 350
Don't take this as an insult :D, but you just ignored "3,085 wounded", and loss of arms, legs, burnt faces come under that category. You might be trying to state deaths only, but civilians casualties are just as important.
 

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no I ignored the wounded on purpose because we were not talking about them here!
sure they are important, but it was not the point of the discussion at that moment.

and btw. I only copied that textpassage from wikipedia, to which I linked and there are sources for each and every number stated!!!
the palestinian Ministry of Health says its been 350 civilians and contrary to that UN says its approximately one fourth.
 

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297 child were killed
89 mother
rest Civilians and as T.D.A stated more than 3000 wounded and the number is rising everyday.
and Tenryuken about hizbollah.
they announced that they wasn't responsible of attacking israel, the organization who lunched the rockets is still unknow.
 
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Hezbollah is always backing Hamas.
Did Fatah launch missiles from the other part of Palestina?---> NO!
Only people supporting Hamas are attacking Israel.
There are even some Arab countries asking Israel to deal quickly with Hamas cuz at least they know what's the real problem in Palestina.
Hezbollah have denied all responsibility for those missile attacks from Lebanon.

Hezbollah not wanting to get dragged into this and only Iran and Syria calling for the Arab league to act against Israel tells you all you need to know about Hamas's support. Funny how when Israel had the blockade in place Egypt kept their side closed as well.
 

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Do you know about the Palestinians refugees or other very powerful Sunni groups in that country?
Sunni groups wants the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah.
 

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I doubt the rockets were sent by Hezbollah the people their are against the conflict yes but they dislike the idea of of being forced into another war with Israel and with elections coming up for Hezbollah fighting would be bad.
 

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wow israel got a new high score !
767 DEAD
3100 WOUNDED
and there is a video showing the israelian army attacking a doctor while he tried to rescue a civilian n he ended up with a ball in his leg.
@thsv
hizbollah don't want to get involved cuz they are a defessive army .
and hamas was choosed by palestinians hizbollah is supporting them and all the arabic nations .
 

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wow israel got a new high score !
767 DEAD
3100 WOUNDED
and there is a video showing the israelian army attacking a doctor while he tried to rescue a civilian n he ended up with a ball in his leg.
@thsv
hizbollah don't want to get involved cuz they are a defessive army .
and hamas was choosed by palestinians hizbollah is supporting them and all the arabic nations .
Those are some pretty exact numbers, could I have the source please?
And please PM the video to me.

Hezbollah doesn't want to get involved because the people don't want to and elections are coming up.

Honestly though, if a country started firing rockets into Morocco and the people of the other country weren't going to surrender peacefully to you know matter what and that the only way they would give a truce and stop firing rockets would be if you pounded them into dust and you knew full well that casualties for your side(the people your goverment is supposed to take care of) would be much less if you fought back. What do you think your goverment would do?
 
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just turn al jazeera on n u will see everything.
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/ everything is here.
vid contains explicit pictures .
and here u can see the numbers it's still 763 but they will update it soon .
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200918173540307219.html
this is another vid "More children among Gaza dead"
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916123126787790.html


Honestly though, if a country started firing rockets into Morocco and the people of the other country weren't going to surrender peacefully to you know matter what and that the only way they would give a truce and stop firing rockets would be if you pounded them into dust and you knew full well that casualties for your side(the people your goverment is supposed to take care of) would be much less if you fought back. What do you think your goverment would do?
hey don't compare morocco to israel plz !
Morroco is a peacefull contry not a killer, and they should fight back Hamas not inocent ppl .
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this is the Fourth Geneva Convention can someone tell me that israel is respecting it plz ?
and try to watch this vid so u know what's really happening !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp0sNqaLl18&NR=1
 
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