Politics Hamas-Israel conflict

[Tenryuken]

Do you read the things you write here in your posts to see how they sound from the perspective of another reader? You might as well say kill everyone in Palestine and be done with it.

And I thought the pre-WWII mentality was over. nope, it's alive and well.

I wonder how you would react if you had to live in fear of rockets every day.

 

[mc404]

I wonder how you would react if you had to live in fear of rockets every day.

Thanks for the question but I probably wouldn't bomb the living daylight out of civilians by whatever means possible including chemical weapons to prove a point; whatever that point may be. Besides, I am fairly confident it has nothing to do with the blockade Israel has put on Gaza for the past 2 years or seizing lands or destroying houses or perhaps freezing their assets or cutting electricity. Yes, totally irrelevant.

Perhaps, just perhaps when you look at the conflict you need to see it from both sides. But again I have no doubt Israel is always right in everything she does. Killing civilians is not justifiable regardless of which side you support. I’m sorry to see some of you have such low regards for human lives.

 

[polaris]

Did you say Israel is right without a doubt? You(not just you all of you who knows nothing except media bullshit) have to learn more about how Israel was founded. I'm not saying that Hamas rockets are right nor Israel's response.I'm against war.I wonder what would you think(not do just think) if in your country borders a new country be founded? It's easy to say these words against second or third degree countries.Do you think USA let that happen in its own borders? The way of how Israel was founded is wrong.They founded Israel on table, they have to solve this problem on the table(search yourself for who they are)With using guns they only serve weapon manufacturers(search this too, actually it's obvious who they are)

P.S: This is not a good post but i'm not happy with UN's attitude..

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Did you say Israel is right without a doubt? You(not just you all of you who knows nothing except media bullshit) have to learn more about how Israel was founded. I'm not saying that Hamas rockets are right nor Israel's response.I'm against war.I wonder what would you think(not do just think) if in your country borders a new country be founded? It's easy to say these words against second or third degree countries.Do you think USA let that happen in its own borders? The way of how Israel was founded is wrong.They founded Israel on table, they have to solve this problem on the table(search yourself for who they are)With using guns they only serve weapon manufacturers(search this too, actually it's obvious who they are)

Well if you really want to get into it, then it's British Territory. British left the territory and Israel declared itself an independant Nation. Britain gave the territory and duty to figure out what to do to the UN. The UN decided that they should split up Israel into an Arab and Jewish state. Arabs were against it and Jews were for it, but the UN decided to do it. The Arab League wanted a unified Israel under Arabic rule and invaded. Israel won that war and gained more land. Thats it in a nutshell but I could go for pages about this one. Anyways nothing all that terrible about it.

If you really really want to go way back then it' s Jewish territory but they got screwed multiple times by the Romans.

 

[polaris]

Yeah it was the British Mandate for Palestine and it was a whole country. English government couldn't find a solution between araps and jews and withdrew .In 1947 United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan. They split the country and now they are fighting. Problem is this.
All i'm saying is solution is on the table.

 

[Tenryuken]

Thanks for the question but I probably wouldn't bomb the living daylight out of civilians by whatever means possible including chemical weapons to prove a point.

That's the irony of the situation.
They use the Phospore bombs to enlight the targeted areas and doing such is TOTALLY legal.
Besides this it's also a good thing for the civil population cuz if Israel was bombing without knowing where his targets are the civilians death toll would be like twice or three time higher.

Yeah it was the British Mandate for Palestine and it was a whole country. English government couldn't find a solution between araps and jews and withdrew .In 1947 United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan. They split the country and now they are fighting. Problem is this.
All i'm saying is solution is on the table.

I think you should do some research, my friend.
When the British left, the Arabs invaded the territory.
Israel did nothing else than DEFEND its self from the BEGIN.
The Arabs caused this problem not Israel, they only reacted.

 

[polaris]

Ok,ok read carefully.From the BEGINning there were no country as named Israel. There were just one and it was the Mandate of Palestine. Under that mandate there were more araps than jews, then jews started immigration with help of British. Araps didn't want it. This is like being an upstart who does not like the old-timers. Then British government restricted the immigration; but Jewish Agency organized illegal immigration. Both sides wants that holy grounds, especially jews no need to tell why.So you cant just say Araps caused problems and Israel reacted.
Anyway If you divide a country without making both side agree the concordat or agreement(in here the country is Palestine);sides wont acknowlage their independence and behave to the situation as rebellion or name it yourself. Problem begins with this. For jews it is independence, for araps it's rebellion/invasion.they divided Palestine and postponed the problems to nowadays. Jews used Haganah against Araps in the past, now Araps are using Hamas against Israel.
These Israel-Palestine problem is not alone. Look at Cyprus, Georgia and the others..The United Nations start to behave like its antecessor;The League of Nations.
So dont tell me Israel is right. There's no such thing as called right in politics.There are just benefits. Do you think that could Israel be founded in the first place if the other "great" countries don't have benefits from it?

 

[Tenryuken]

The "great" countries just wanted to get read of Jews.
I should also add that the Jews BOUGHT their own land and ground while being mistreated by the British.

 

[polaris]

The "great" countries just wanted to get read of Jews.
I should also add that the Jews BOUGHT their own land and ground while being mistreated by the British.

Why they wanted to get rid of Jews? I cant believe that you think this is the only reason.
And "buying with high prices" doesnt change the fact that it's a planned invasion in view of Araps. be objective.
I'm trying to tell that why this war is nonsense and should be finished on the table without killing people for both sides, while all you do is this: pile on the agony.

 

[Tenryuken]

How will they settle this around a table if groups like Hamas wants the eradication of Israel?
Are you implying that Hamas wouldn't want the eradication of Israel annymore?

 

[polaris]

so you're saying that its easy to use guns instead of paper and pen.btw to clear off hamas, you can kill civils too.
Ok, As I said dividing the whole country was a bad idea. They should live together, not two country hating each other, one country caring within. that time Hamas will eat way itself. Israel is not solving any problem with guns neither hamas with rockets. it's just getting bigger. As i said before you cant destroy Hamas like this. Hamas is not only in Palestine. UN have to make sure all Arap governments are on the table as well. When they have an agreement they will stop feedin Hamas eventually.
If you say dividing is a good solution i expect from other countries to acknowledge indepence of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, too. But EU want it to be one.
Just benefits. I said before.
USA want to have an ally in middle east.
thats all.

 

[Tenryuken]

Israel should(is) be independent.
The same goes for Gaza and The West Bank.
Palestina should be divided in three countries.

 

[polaris]

oehh..lets see what will happen

 

[Akainu]

now that we know who caused the problem - essentially the UN - why not send them in? and not the sissy observers but troops with a solid mandate -.-
not that UN would ever have successfully accomplished only an inch of such a problem...

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I don't see how bombing schools gets rid of Hamas and dividing Palestine isn't going to solve the conflict.

 

[Akainu]

after about three weeks Israel now declared a unilateral ceasefire after saying they achieved their aims. troops remain in Gaza, which Hamas naturally won't accept.
do you think this truce has a chance?

 

[polaris]

That ceasefire is just for not to shadow oath-taking ceremony of Obama. It's just a gesture to an ally by Israel.

 

[mc404]

That's the irony of the situation.
They use the Phospore bombs to enlight the targeted areas and doing such is TOTALLY legal.
Besides this it's also a good thing for the civil population cuz if Israel was bombing without knowing where his targets are the civilians death toll would be like twice or three time higher.

Are you seriously trying to justify the use of chemical weapons on civilians? Are you for real?!

Saddam did that to the Iranian army and his own people, Nazi Germany did that in Eastern Europe in WW-II. I never even imagined I would see this day in my life time where people justify the use of those weapons on women, children and ordinary people.

If that is your true feeling then I have nothing else to talk to you about. I and the majority of people here value human life; I think all humans do.

 

[Tenryuken]

Are you seriously trying to justify the use of chemical weapons on civilians? Are you for real?!

Saddam did that to the Iranian army and his own people, Nazi Germany did that in Eastern Europe in WW-II. I never even imagined I would see this day in my life time where people justify the use of those weapons on women, children and ordinary people.

If that is your true feeling then I have nothing else to talk to you about. I and the majority of people here value human life; I think all humans do.

Except that Israel isn't using it directly on people like the Regimes you cited.
Their bombs explode in the air in order to create light.
If they were dropping Phosphore on people like you are insunating the death toll of civilian would be much higher and Israel wouldn't be able to see the difference between a grocery and a Hamas hangout during the night.

 

[Akainu]

That ceasefire is just for not to shadow oath-taking ceremony of Obama. It's just a gesture to an ally by Israel.

that is something time will tell . let's wait for the next wednesday - though I think that then there will be "excuses" for the truce like Obama doesn't want it, that's why it doesn't go on though Israel would still carry on from your side?

Are you seriously trying to justify the use of chemical weapons on civilians? Are you for real?!

Saddam did that to the Iranian army and his own people, Nazi Germany did that in Eastern Europe in WW-II. I never even imagined I would see this day in my life time where people justify the use of those weapons on women, children and ordinary people.

If that is your true feeling then I have nothing else to talk to you about. I and the majority of people here value human life; I think all humans do.

Not to forget the war in Iraq and the massacre the US and British troops did in Falludjah with chemical weapons...