How did the admirals become so strong?

[LeKuaSimi]

In my opinion, the Marines and WG is far stronger than any of the Yonkous. However, the reason why they cannot get to Raftel is because the 4 Yonkous would team up against the Marines and WG if that happens. Even post time-skip, the ex-WB members will team up if necessary.

How did the admirals grow so strong? Well, I don't think it is far fetched to say that, generally, it is a better life being a marine, compared to a pirate. The top "talents" would have been scouted by the marines and then hired.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

In my opinion, the Marines and WG is far stronger than any of the Yonkous. However, the reason why they cannot get to Raftel is because the 4 Yonkous would team up against the Marines and WG if that happens. Even post time-skip, the ex-WB members will team up if necessary.

How did the admirals grow so strong? Well, I don't think it is far fetched to say that, generally, it is a better life being a marine, compared to a pirate. The top "talents" would have been scouted by the marines and then hired.

Well number matters.Just be comparing the amount of Marines at the HQ and amount of WB's pirate there.The pirates were outnumbered 10-1.And the Marines had it all planned out.
How bout the Marines send 1 BattleShip out to the open sea to have a skirmish with 1 Yonkou's Ship.
Remember that shanks crew sank an Entire battle fleet just to have a meeting with WhiteBeard.And he only had 1 ship.Besides the WG was scared of the Yonkous so they had to form the Marines and assemble the Shichibukai.Just to reign in the Yonkous and form a Delicate peace.

The high rankings marines weren't scouted.They join on their own free will of "Justice".Only the Shicibukai.The Marines saw them as a future threat so they offered them "truce"

 

[LeidenReloaded]

.Ace knew that the attack was coming yet he couldn't let the attack pass through him.

The point here is that Ace wanted to cover Luffy so he was forced to take the attack. if Akainu would slipped trough him his brother would be dead now.

Imo most of the Power from the Admirals comes from the Logia DF. I mean we have seen NOTHING but DF attacks from them. Using a Logia ability makes you nearly untouchable and then having a DF like Akainu where you simply activate it and be strong as hell.

I mean look at Smoker. During the War there was a Pic where he looks at Tashgi while taking an attack from a random NW Pirate that slips through him. How is that supposed to be strong? I mean that was simply activating his DF and be untouchable. Thats why i like characters like Lucci and even Enel (he used martials technics together with his DF) more because they make more use of there body as of their DF.

Just my opinion.

 

[Shuusui]

Impossible.If they knew that the attacks were coming and "evaded" the attacks, wouldn't that make Logia users invincible as long as they keep training their CoO?The most obvious example would be Ace getting killed by Akainu.Ace knew that the attack was coming yet he couldn't let the attack pass through him.
It either has something to do with the "amount and level" of Haki used or its something Oda have installed for us

but we are talking about admirals , right ?
i mean , admirals become master their df logia powers
we can't compare with new user like ace or they(enel,croco,smoker) don't have COA like admirals
also i think admirals can turn their body element before the attack, like aokiji vs wb and kizaru vs wb or akainu vs marco-vista , cos when we saw them how manage the escape they become ice,light or magma
another clue about this; when jozu punch crocodile, croco take serious wound but same punch goes to aokiji, he just take scratch on his lip
i think this is something about df mastery

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Aokiji didnt just take a "scratch" from that hit Jozu gave.He bled from inside his body.Its blood coming out from his mouth.
About the mastery of DF i think Croco has the upper hand.Hes mastery of DF was up to the level that he could turn it on upon reflexes.

 

[Shuusui]

Aokiji didnt just take a "scratch" from that hit Jozu gave.He bled from inside his body.Its blood coming out from his mouth.
About the mastery of DF i think Croco has the upper hand.Hes mastery of DF was up to the level that he could turn it on upon reflexes.

croco ? i can't compare his df talents with admirals, i think even ace better user than him

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

I think ur just Biased bout Croco.Yea he was the bad guy but u can doubt the mastery he had on his DF.He was able to turn into logia just in time when do-flamingo attack him from behind cutting off his neck.

 

[The Noobslayer]

Perhaps the Magma, light, and ice devil fruits have been in possession of the government for a while. Kept by officers until death and willed to their students/underlings.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

enel had the best mastery of his fruit imo, he was even able to turn into a god mode of lighting in the final clash.

 

[Haynes]

Where are you getting this "turned into"? They become that element when they ate their devil fruit. They no longer have normal bodies.

That's like saying, Luffy turns rubber only when he's fighting or expecting an attack. No his body IS rubber, it DOESN'T become rubber.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Where are you getting this "turned into"? They become that element when they ate their devil fruit. They no longer have normal bodies.

That's like saying, Luffy turns rubber only when he's fighting or expecting an attack. No his body IS rubber, it DOESN'T become rubber.

Logias dont lose their bodies.They have the ability to turn into the element of their DF.If as you said,they no longer have their normal bodies,then wouldn't akainu melt everything he touches and aokiji freezes everything he touches too?

And Luffy is a paramecia.His body stays rubber till the day he die.

 

[Dekker]

Where are you getting this "turned into"? They become that element when they ate their devil fruit. They no longer have normal bodies.

That's like saying, Luffy turns rubber only when he's fighting or expecting an attack. No his body IS rubber, it DOESN'T become rubber.

Actually their Bodies dont become the element once they eat them. Or did you see Kizaru glowing all day? Smoker said it somewhere in the war that Boa ws able to hit him even if he wasn't in solid mode (wait, is Smoke ever solid? hell no it is not). So simply said, they can produce infinite amount of their element and they can turn themself into their element at will, but the dont necessarily become the element all the time.

Also never forget that Ace pretty much "turned off" his logia mode to safe Luffy.

 

[Haynes]

Logias dont lose their bodies.They have the ability to turn into the element of their DF.If as you said,they no longer have their normal bodies,then wouldn't akainu melt everything he touches and aokiji freezes everything he touches too?

And Luffy is a paramecia.His body stays rubber till the day he die.

No Akainu would not melt everything he touches nor Aokiji freeze everything he touches.
Remember when that pirate shot at Kizaru and it went right through him, while he was appearing to be solid?
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page013.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page014.html

All the times Akainu got attacked during the war, while walking around.

Actually their Bodies dont become the element once they eat them. Or did you see Kizaru glowing all day? Smoker said it somewhere in the war that Boa ws able to hit him even if he wasn't in solid mode (wait, is Smoke ever solid? hell no it is not). So simply said, they can produce infinite amount of their element and they can turn themself into their element at will, but the dont necessarily become the element all the time.

Also never forget that Ace pretty much "turned off" his logia mode to safe Luffy.

Boa was able to hit Smoker because of her Haki. As far as Ace "turning off" his logia, where do you get that? Because it didn't just go right through him an hit Luffy? You're forgetting about the abilities and how they match up. Magama > Fire.

Smoker: ...?!! Someone managed to attack my body of smoke...?!!!
(skip a few bubbles of chatter)
Smoker: So this is the kuja's "haki"...!!
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-559/page013.html

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Why wouldnt they?if like you said,they no longer have their normal bodies,wouldnt akainu stand magma and aokiji stay ice?
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia
"Logia Devil Fruits allow a person to become a natural element, either in whole or in part. They are neither completely human nor element in their default state".

 

[frontaLobotomy]

As simple as it sounds, the main reason they got to where they are is their own ambition, and by extension Haki. Fate probably has something to do with it as well, it seems to play a big part in the One Piece world. The fact that they all have hax DF powers just shows how fate seems to favour strong people that want to have an impact on the world.

 

[karthikmurs]

All admirals are logia users for one. Logia is usually stronger than either of Paramecia or Zoan. To hurt them, one'd have to use haki OR have a DF ability which naturally overpowers the Admirals' abilities. lets see what admirals have.

1. Very strong DF ability.
2. Haki which can be used to counter haki or use it to their own advantage.
3. Years and years of battle experience that have enabled to push their DF ability to limits (though I don't dispute there is a possibility that they can be improved further).
4. Physical combatant strength.

As to whether they are invincible -
I have a short list of people who might possibly stand a chance of beating them or at least stand on equal footing.(my personal list and its up to my understanding)
Shanks, Rayleigh, Garp, Sengoku, Marco, Boa, Mihawk.

Each of them rival admirals in at least two of their strong points. And that is what it takes to stand upto an admiral on an equal footing.