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[Fox666]

Hyakushiki Kannon is conjuration. It would be emission if it used long-ranged attacks coming from Netero hands, or a combination if long-ranged attacks were launched from the statue hands, but instead the statue mimics Netero's instance.

 

[Demonspeed]

Hyakushiki Kannon is conjuration. It would be emission if it used long-ranged attacks coming from Netero hands, or a combination if long-ranged attacks were launched from the statue hands, but instead the statue mimics Netero's instance.

If it was Conjuration, he would have not been able to make it appear behind Meruem. He prays(condition) and then the statue moves according to his hand motions, for this Manipulation is needed.

 

[Fox666]

I don't think the distance is a problem? Cheetu could spawn an entire field around him.

This is so confusing...

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think the distance is a problem? Cheetu could spawn an entire field around him.

This is so confusing...

Cheetu's ability is different, he conjures a whole space. For weapons it's not like that, a Conjurer can make disappear his object at will but it will always reappear in his hand when he conjures it again. Kurapika can't make appear his chains behind someone for example, same for Shizuku, Kite etc. while Razor make appear his Devils where he wants.

 

[XXGenesis]

I feel like we are steering off topic and getting more into Nen, which we have other threads for me.
I'll try and move it back to "how/why strong....is"

Netero is an Enhancer, it's in the data book. Data books are cannon and yes sometime may differ from the Manga's representations of things but Data Books are cannon and pretty much a table of contents for any manga.

So Yes Netero is an 100%Enhancer. Using a Hatsu of Emission only 80% isn't a big deal he's not handicapping himself like Kastro. Gon's paper Jajanken is an low lv emission Hatsu, he doesn't use it often but it's still a good move. HK is an Emission move and like I said it doesn't limit nor handicap Netero but in fact increases his Martial arts and suits perfectly with his fighting style. Netero trained his body until his Punch was faster than the speed sound. Within doin that he also devoted a lot of time praying in Apperciation of his body & skill..This later developed his Zero Hand; He can pray with 1 hand PROBABLY None and unleash all his aura through his HK. Netero being an enhancer and giving his training WAS *Cannon*the strongest man in HXH world, and when he was creating his legend, aside from Maha Zoldyck (Who presumably held the same title at one point in time)
He never had to attack first he always waited for somebody to attack him.

Zeno mentions that Fighting Netero is insanely difficult and that he couldn't/never beat him..1.reason behind this is due to Netero's calm aura flow, remember Knuckle had a field day with inexperienced Nen fighting Gon cause his aura would shift as he attack/defended and it was easy to tell his next move.****Side Note on Netero's innate skill

Netero's very strategic Hatsu uses his Aura to shape a HK statue, and it replicates his Hand movements, his faster than sound punching....Netero can pray and punch faster than King Chimera Ant Meruem can even move....He can just as easily Barrage punch or Haymacker somebody's head off..

So juss like the Godly RG's and King Chimera Ant...Netero honestly has no equal UNLESS somebody has an Auto-Sheild or Auto-Counter Hatsu or Extremly High Durability....Netero juss attacks to fast for someone to resist his attacks or even strike him...

 

[Machi-tan]

Solid response. I always assumed that Netero might've been screwing himself over by not using a solely enhancer based move set. (Sort of how Hisoka explained it) If HK is emission, manipulation, manifestation, and enhancement such division of aura and inefficient aura classes made me think that Netero was sort of wasting his time with that Technique. It ends up feeling more like utility (keeping enemies at bay) more than his enhancer nature should be (Getting close and personal).

 

[XXGenesis]

Solid response. I always assumed that Netero might've been screwing himself over by not using a solely enhancer based move set. (Sort of how Hisoka explained it) If HK is emission, manipulation, manifestation, and enhancement such division of aura and inefficient aura classes made me think that Netero was sort of wasting his time with that Technique. It ends up feeling more like utility (keeping enemies at bay) more than his enhancer nature should be (Getting close and personal).

Thanks..I love how Togashi set the supernatural power Nen in HxH. It's a Multifaceted power that characters can mix and match its properties for their desired effects.....Also Biscuit training explains how everybody can use Nen and its various applications but to a limit depending on their natural affinity.


Netero uses 80% Emission and 60% Manipulation. He emits a pure Nen HK statue and manipulates its hand movements in accordance to his own....The anime shows its distinguish look aside from a Conjured Statue....If his HK was a conjuration it would have a condition and effect conjured items need vows/conditions to make them stronger than their real matter counter parts..

I really want to talk about the Spider because I think they are one of the coolest bad ass groups in manga, similar to the Akatsuki before half of them became sympathetic villans.

Let's start with their Intellegence prioritized members Shizuku vaccum girl capable of sucking anything non living with her vaccum..with her off hand she was almost stronger than Gon physically and she's obviously a Conjurer creating her Vaccum Cleaner Hatsu. She's pretty solid imo she never recieved a hit from the spider chimera ant she only lost her clothes and easily outsmarted the ant then killed by sucking out his blood...Imagine her as back up in gift and she drains all your opponenets blood Lol..She's solid yo

Krotopi was shown traveling with Machi,Shizuku and Chrollo when they were going after Kurapicka....This shows agility and speed which at that level is going to require above Hunter test level martial arts...::But honestly I think Krotopi is the weakest of them all Gon&Killua back in YorkTown Arc were probably his equivalent martial arts wise.

Pakunod she was the revolver totting not too attractive female. *I liked her suit though interesting choice for a Spider member* Killua also broke her bones and a few teeth during the blackout scene in the hotel and she shrugged it off. She IMO is also rather handy she was able to use her Hatsu almost simantaneously shoot 6 Spoders member full of memories before Kurapicka's Chain Vow killed her.

Shalnurak this dude is so cool I feel like he stands out so much from the rest of the spiders because he really looks like a good guy lmao. Seriously Shalnurak is brilliant and only #2 in intelligence amongst the spiders The Boss being #1. Shalnurak has shown some impressive evasive moves against a controlled and is capable of planting his manipulation Hatsu..His secret self super sayin mode also seems to be pretty beast and has a great condition set on it so his Mystery Nen Boost is potent.

 

[kkck]

My impression is that hyakushiki kannon is meant to be intentionally confusing and absurd. Logically speaking, it can't fit into any category. To begin with, the statue certainly does not use enhancement which is as far as we know netero's main nen type. The situation gets particularly absurd because netero's particular nen school actually encourages people to build around their main nen type. The manga has specifically shown us the result of using nen types that are too far away from your own and the waste it represents (through kastro). It does not make sense the technique is emitted simply because if it is emitted then netero is not really using enhancement, his main nen type. The statue would be pure nen which can't be enhanced since in general enhancement works by adding or concentrating nen on stuff to improve its qualities. Adding nen to nen is not enhancement, it is simply adding nen. In this context it would be simply emitting more nen. To add to that, the technique would need transmutation to give it that shape and presumably some degree of manipulation. Conjuration does not make sense either because the statue does not behave like a conjured object. Conjured objects are bound by rules and restrictions. The more strict the better. The implication here is that netero would have a conjured object which has the speed and physical resistance to attack the king and withstand his attacks. However that does not make sense because the only restriction the thing seems to have is the prayer which mostly deals with its movements. On a first look, even that does not seem like such a severe restriction.

With that in mind, as in the thing not fitting into any nen type, I'd say its an acquired specialization. The manga did make the point that you can become a specialization later in life. Netero threw himself into madness and for 10 years did nothing but train and prey. I'd say this changed him in such a way that he became a specialization user. After all, specialization is anything that does not fit into the other categories.

 

[Demonspeed]

^The problem is with Netero's main type. The only information we have is that it comes from a databook but databooks are not always reliable, Alluka was said to be a Manipulator too but she is a Specialist. The Specialisation theory might be true...

It's a shame that we have not informations about things like that, I am still confused about Youpi's abilities.

 

[XXGenesis]

My impression is that hyakushiki kannon is meant to be intentionally confusing and absurd. Logically speaking, it can't fit into any category. To begin with, the statue certainly does not use enhancement which is as far as we know netero's main nen type. The situation gets particularly absurd because netero's particular nen school actually encourages people to build around their main nen type. The manga has specifically shown us the result of using nen types that are too far away from your own and the waste it represents (through kastro). It does not make sense the technique is emitted simply because if it is emitted then netero is not really using enhancement, his main nen type. The statue would be pure nen which can't be enhanced since in general enhancement works by adding or concentrating nen on stuff to improve its qualities. Adding nen to nen is not enhancement, it is simply adding nen. In this context it would be simply emitting more nen. To add to that, the technique would need transmutation to give it that shape and presumably some degree of manipulation. Conjuration does not make sense either because the statue does not behave like a conjured object. Conjured objects are bound by rules and restrictions. The more strict the better. The implication here is that netero would have a conjured object which has the speed and physical resistance to attack the king and withstand his attacks. However that does not make sense because the only restriction the thing seems to have is the prayer which mostly deals with its movements. On a first look, even that does not seem like such a severe restriction.

With that in mind, as in the thing not fitting into any nen type, I'd say its an acquired specialization. The manga did make the point that you can become a specialization later in life. Netero threw himself into madness and for 10 years did nothing but train and prey. I'd say this changed him in such a way that he became a specialization user. After all, specialization is anything that does not fit into the other categories.

The fact that Netero went through an insane and rigorous training that essentially changed his personality and consciousness in fact may be the change that Toagshi was referring to in order for one to attain specialization Nen. But that's not the case for Netero's awesome Hatsu

Everything about Netero's technique is explained in his flashback to his training. He can effortlessly perform a praying gesture faster than a trained eye can perceive. Giving his training he recieved a sound barrier breaking punch.

The Databook has its discrepancies we all know that to be true, but if Netero is not an enhancer he's a emitter. His Nen type is never officially stated aside from the databook but given the effects his Hatsu shows it's not Specialization which deals with supernatural power unexplainable within the confounds of the natural affinities of nen.

Conjuration creates a visible to naked eye item which is given terms and consitions for its desired abnormal effect. Ex.Kurapicka's chains with mutiple rules & Nen applications, Krotopi's copy ability bodies,items,buildings, Knuv a door and room.

Specialization are awkward powers for Nen users Chrollo Hatsu stealer, Fortune telling Mafiette, Meruem devours Nen + Hatsu, Pakunda Mind reading + memory sharing, Alluka's wishes, Pitou's Doctor Blythe All,Kurapicka's 100% all Nen affinity
All unexplainable within Manipulation,Enhancement,transformation ,emission & conjuration rules

Netero Hatsu emits his aura which takes the form of HK when he prays then he strikes. Emitters Nen yes need to be manipulated and yes they can take on the form of things like Razor's devil or The other guys gorilla not to mention Kurapicka's Chain Judgement that he applies a Nen chain with strict conditions on someone's heart...and yet to be seen Saiyuu monkey zodiacs Hear,See,Speak no evil monkey Hatsu the Nen he emits turns into monkeys and each hit a

You lose one of the 3 mention senses.

Netero Hatsu is Emission. His Natural affinity we can agree to disagree that it may not be enhancement but it's surely not specialization. If you look up on HxH.Wikia in Emission Nen it explains the the basis if Netero's Emission based Hatsu.

^The problem is with Netero's main type. The only information we have is that it comes from a databook but databooks are not always reliable, Alluka was said to be a Manipulator too but she is a Specialist. The Specialisation theory might be true...

It's a shame that we have not informations about things like that, I am still confused about Youpi's abilities.

It's a shame the databook gets stuff like that wrong but we know that Alluka's is an off the wall specialization user with no will or personal application just as a tool. Not to mention A.I Dark Continent possible heritage.

Yupi's ability is Enhancement. His Hatsu is both Ehnacement and transformation enhances his own ant body to grow wings,Extra arms, tentacles or eyes, increase in muscular mass and size.

 

[Machi-tan]

Youpi is enhancement which works out because of his non human psyology and the way he can grow and de-grow limbs. As well as Emission.

And Netero's son is who I'm currently psyched to see in action, just from the hype alone he seems as if he's neck and neck with Ging and took the seat of the strongest from his father at some point.

The troupe is an interesting group. There is so much untouched possibility there, after all, we barely seen any Hatsu or serious combat come out of them. We just say a sort of ... dark 'thriller' arc where there was more running around and manipulation. The action was great when it happened but much of the York New arc was simply the Spiders not knowing who was hunting them.

Now that they all have memories of Kurapikas face, when they set the toll with Chrollo and go on the offensive, it will be intense.

They said Uvo wasn't as good as a fighter unless he was fighting with someone at his side same goes for Nobunaga, which is why they were usually paired up. Which is funny in a way if you pay attention because Togashi basically limits Uvo to fight at like 70% of his actual max versus Kurapika. However if Nobunaga catches up to Kurapika he won't have any reserves and would fire on all cylinders to avenge his comrade/brother.

 

[tupadre97]

Hyakushiki Kannon is conjuration. It would be emission if it used long-ranged attacks coming from Netero hands, or a combination if long-ranged attacks were launched from the statue hands, but instead the statue mimics Netero's instance.

Its obviously emission. Why would he use conjuration for something he can use emission for and have it be more effective? Netero isn't kastro he is smarter than that.

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^The problem is with Netero's main type. The only information we have is that it comes from a databook but databooks are not always reliable, Alluka was said to be a Manipulator too but she is a Specialist. The Specialisation theory might be true...

It's a shame that we have not informations about things like that, I am still confused about Youpi's abilities.

Alluka is a specialist but the way she uses her powers are through manipulation. For instance she didn't conjure the million dollars for that one wish she manipulate a crew half way around the world to bring it, similarly when she kills she squashes or twists someone's body through manipulation. She could probably even kill meruem but the catch is that someone else has to tell her what to do.

As for youpi has attacks are a combination of transmutation, enhancement, and emission.

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Youpi is enhancement which works out because of his non human psyology and the way he can grow and de-grow limbs. As well as Emission.

And Netero's son is who I'm currently psyched to see in action, just from the hype alone he seems as if he's neck and neck with Ging and took the seat of the strongest from his father at some point.

The troupe is an interesting group. There is so much untouched possibility there, after all, we barely seen any Hatsu or serious combat come out of them. We just say a sort of ... dark 'thriller' arc where there was more running around and manipulation. The action was great when it happened but much of the York New arc was simply the Spiders not knowing who was hunting them.

Now that they all have memories of Kurapikas face, when they set the toll with Chrollo and go on the offensive, it will be intense.

They said Uvo wasn't as good as a fighter unless he was fighting with someone at his side same goes for Nobunaga, which is why they were usually paired up. Which is funny in a way if you pay attention because Togashi basically limits Uvo to fight at like 70% of his actual max versus Kurapika. However if Nobunaga catches up to Kurapika he won't have any reserves and would fire on all cylinders to avenge his comrade/brother.

Youpi also uses transmutation for his rage incarnate form (when he turns his arm into a steel scythe).

 

[XXGenesis]

Let's talk about Kurapicka my favorite OP/Haxx Main character

I don't think people understand how or why Kurapicka is so Strong and why he's such a threat to the Deadly A-Class Criminal Gang The Spiders.
I'm gonna cover a few points here.

1) Kurapicka Hates the Spiders! Even Normal Spiders upsets him. Kurapicka's deep rooted hate for the Spiders will always fuel his Nen when VS them. This power up is called Mystery Nen points! It's not a permanent power up only a situational one...Ex Gon's Jajanken vs Full Power Morel.

2) Kurapicka's Condition, Vow & limit for his Hatsu. Placing any or all of these terms of use will boost your Nen & Hatsu's power. Greater the risk, equals greater the power/ability. Such isn't always wise without deep thought & consideration..Kurapicka needed/wanted power fast so he went this route......
2.1) Kurapicka Set a limit for Chain Jail..Spiders Only...He set a condition Chain Jail puts you in Zetsu once bound....He set a Vow he'll die if he uses it against Anyone but a Spider.....His Vow & Limit strengthens the power and condition of Chain Jail placing Spiders in Zetsu
2.2) Judgement Chain is Awesome....it's Condition is once imposed upon you, death is certain if you don't follow Kurapicka's order(s)....It's Limit Lol Kurapicka isn't even sure if it can be used on non spiders or not....Not sure he wants to try because he pierced his own heart Vowing to die if he uses his Chain Jail...Probably he doesn't know for sure his Judgement chain on any non spiders
2.3)Dowsing Chain it's condition is dowsing lie detector & person finder...No limits or Vow set..It is Kurapicka's main Offence & Deffence he can use it against anyone...


3) Scarlet Eye's AKA Emperor Time.....Kurapicka turns into a speciliast When Scarlet Eye'd. This obviously gives him a boost overall. Not only that but 100% Accuracy/Proficiency in All Nen categories....Meaning he's able to Master all forms of Nen, even if his skills in the other category isn't advanced Emperor time well makes up for that.

So this is how & Why Kurapicka has such high Nen Volume, how he's able to challenge the Spiders & pose a threat.....Also Gon & Killua didn't finish their training with Wing and took a few months off to chill...Kurapicka didn't chill he learnt Nen fully then created a broken ability to use against the Spiders. So that sums it up, Kurapicka was basically around the lv Gon & Killua reached during the end of the Ant Arc way back during YorkCity Arc.

 

[Machi-tan]

I agree that Kurapika is strong... but only vs the spiders. It sucks because even tho he probably is godly when vs the Spiders, Gon and Killua of the Ant Arc could probably beat him . In fact i think any competitent hunter could beat Kurapika, as long as they aren't affiliated with the Spiders in any sense.

It's a great balance. However it leads to him losing out when the spiders are eventually killed/disband. Unless he takes an even stronger covenant or alluka to soak up the damage.

 

[XXGenesis]

I agree that Kurapika is strong... but only vs the spiders. It sucks because even tho he probably is godly when vs the Spiders, Gon and Killua of the Ant Arc could probably beat him . In fact i think any competitent hunter could beat Kurapika, as long as they aren't affiliated with the Spiders in any sense.

It's a great balance. However it leads to him losing out when the spiders are eventually killed/disband. Unless he takes an even stronger covenant or alluka to soak up the damage.

Kurapicka's power and overall Strentgh is very limited aside from fighting the Spiders...Like you said once they are all gone most of His Hatsu become useless...Still Current Gon & Killua are still weaker than Kurapicka...He was already at that Lv about a year or months before they got there......Note his experience and intellect is valued even among the Zodiacs.

Kurapicka's dowsing chain can still be used for Attack & Defense....He can still heal himself....Also it isn't clarified he may be able to impose a Nen chain on others hearts, limiting them to his commands/orders or face death....Emperor Time still gives him a Nen boost & 100% Profiency.....Even though he's a Haxx conjurer he can still fight H2H with Enhancers .

Saying Gon or Killua can beat him is a stretch. Because Uvo would still eat those 2 for breakfast...

 

[Machi-tan]

You're right Uvo would beat Killua and Gon. But that has nothing to do with Kurapika's power.

Kurapika is 10x stronger vs Uvo because Uvo is a spider..

Death Cov. Kurapika > Uvo > Ant-Gon = Ant-Killua

But Kurapika without his death Cov...

Uvo > Gon = Killua > Kurapika.

He has no hatsu useful for combat besides the ones that are spawns from his death cov VS the spiders. Killua would blitz him something vicious like he did vs Youpi. And Gon is powerful enough to scare season veteran's like Morel into questioning his true power ceiling. Unless he creates a new combat hatsu, basic 100% techniques won't cut it. He's probably done.

 

[ZakAtakk]

I would posit that Netero was not on level with the strongest hunters in HxH. Rather, Netero went into battle in the Chimera Ant Arc without any of the strongest hunters because he was considering the future of humanity and the hunter association. As Netero's power waned he probably imposed a restriction on himself that once he could no longer personally protect humanity from it's greatest threats it was time to leave the responsibility for mankind to the younger generation. Thus, Netero went into battle with Nen users suited to delay the King's allies to fight Meruem alone knowing that there were other hunters who could have bested him. I think this lines up with his plans for the dark continent and his attempt to keep Gon and Killua from fighting. Therefore, I think he was being honest when he declared that he was no longer among the strongest Nen users and that Ging was among the top four in the world. I think that had the Chimera Ants actually continued to spread into the world they would have been crushed by the humans with superior power and were only protected by their isolation from the civilized world. This theory is supported by the assortment of chimera ants as a class b enemy after a thorough analysis of their power while the most powerful creatures on the dark continent were all classified as greater threats. The implication is that there are hunters stronger than the chimera ants who can accurately determine the strength of even more powerful foes. I think that future arcs could reveal the true power of the highest tear hunters is beyond anything we've seen thus far. I similarly find it ominous that the chimera ants plural are compared to creatures like the hell bell singular implying that the single organism is more of a threat than the complete learning capacity, reproductive abilities and raw power of the chimera ant species.

I think that Hisoka is incredibly cunning and adaptable which is his main strength. In fact, from what we've seen, I consider Hisoka to be the most intelligent character in combat. Unlike many Nen users Hisoka doesn't care if everyone knows about his abilities. Because of their infinite potential for application in battle Hisoka can invent new ways to use them faster than his oppenents can adjust. A battle with Hisoka is a battle of wit. I do not think that Hisoka could fight on even footing with Netero by any stretch of the imagination. However, I also do not think Hisoka was actually challenging Netero in the Hunter Test Arc. Rather, he was flustered by the man's lack of defenses and his inability to summon any venom as Netero could not be intimidated by him like the other Hunter examiners. It was obvious to everyone involved that they were not going to actually fight it was just part of the verbal duel that Netero was clearly winning. In battle between Hisoka and Netero I think it would still come down to intelligence as Hisoka could use Bungee Gum to launch himself in complex patterns and speeds that Netero could have difficulty predicting but Hisoka would still lose 99% of the time. He simply doesnt have the physical endurance Meruem did to endure an endless barrage of hits. There is a level of unpredictability to Nen battles and Husoka may come up with clever new ways to fight Netero but he wouldn't have the psychological advantage he has over most opponents and he certainly couldn't endure zero hand. But, I actually do not think there's reason to believe that Hisoka tries to fight anyone he doesn't have a chance against. It's very possible that Hizoka's skills are on par with Chrollo, both men are extremely intelligent fighters and it would come down to who could adapt to their opponents strategies faster. Regardless of who came out the victor I think a battle between those two would be extremely interesting. Hisoka's battles are always the most fascinating to watch, I think Hisoka has incredible potential and he too gets more capable with each battle.

Regarding the newly introduced characters and the most powerful but briefly displayed characters that have cropped up throughout the series I don't think that it can be ascertained, as of yet, how the strongest line up. At the very least I think it's clear that it's not defined as simply as via ranking in the Hunter's association. There are 3 star hunters who are totally incompetent and kiss ass to make their way up through the ranks and there are people like Ging with no honors that stand among the strongest in the world. Leorio is a Zodiac yet he is among the weakest hunters we've met but he's kind and well liked so he may be suited for leadership. Hisoka doesn't consider most of the Zodiacs to be anything special and Beyond seems to be betting on his ability to single handedly overpower every member of the Zodiac to escape in the dark continent. We don't have any sort of basis to determine Silva Zoldyck's power but he doesn't seem exceptionally bright and his father is still the head of the house so he is most likely not as capable as him. Mainly what we've seen is self-sufficiency amongst almost every other Zoldyck except for Silva who always seems to be tagging along with his dad. This either because Silva is incompetent, Silva is worried about Zeno over doing it, or Silva is and Zeno make an excellent team that so far surpasses either of their abilities that they are each willing to sacrifice their independence. This last theory is possible if Zeno, who was taking the lead, intentionally held back against Chrollo during their fight to assess his strengths. This would mean that when Zeno spoke of Chrollo killing him if he tried it didn't actually mean he thought Chrollo could kill him he was simply expressing that he was aware Chrollo wasn't trying.

 

[Machi-tan]

Solid post ZakAtakk, t'was a good read

I agree with Netero not being the strongest either. Feats are what we use to measure people in the HxH world, but i feel like the unknown is a bit scarier (Which is why the Dark continent is such a big selling point) We don't know how strong Beyond is... but being Netero's son, we assume he's around his father's level. Being much younger... we assume that he's stronger than his father was around the time of his death because he'd be close to Netero's strength in his Youth. and his name 'Beyond Netero' LITERALLY suggests he's ability... is beyond Netero's.

Ging is noted to not be a slacker also, much excitement to see how he plays out as a fighter, i get the impression that he copies Nen he finds interesting. I haven't read the manga much, save for him using Leorio's Hatsu so that's it.

But back to the point, I fully agree that there are quite a few Hunter's stronger than Netero, the Ants were scary, but they weren't humanities prime concern. The King pre-rose might've met his end at the hands of a group of more qualified Hunters if need be, but Netero wanted to save the stronger ones for any unwarranted aggression from the dark continent or other source.

Hisoka seems like a bunch of hot air personally, He's yet to beat anyone note worthy in my eyes. He's cunning, and dangerous, i won't take that away from him. But he's yet to have a solid combat feat, besides being able to qualify to join the Troupe.

Not saying he's bad, i just want to see him do more, rather than set up Gon to gain power.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't see why Gon and Killua would be stronger than Kurapika, nothing suggests this at least, Kurapika had an advantage against Uvo but it's not only due to his chains that he won. Only Chain Jail is restricted to the Spiders, he can use all the others on anyone, and there's still a Chain with an unknown ability. His encounter with Mizai also shown that he improved.

 

[Machi-tan]

Maybe, i just inferred from how even vs a RG class Chimera Ant, Killua was too fast to be reacted against. Examples: he blitzed Youpi, and he snatched off half of Pouf's face + outspeeding dead pitou. And i'd assume at least speed wise the RGs are higher than Uvo. I could be wrong.

Gon is arguable because his hatsu is so straight forward it makes him an easy target to just about anything, but we didn't see much of anything from gon in the Ant arc except his transformation when the operation went down. Killua is literally faster Neurologically than any human being... maybe even any living object with a pulse thanks to his electrical burden. Combined with his attack power and years of in-combat experience he has on Kurapika (have to remember he was putting down people from the age of 6, he's definitely no slacker). i don't see Kurapika winning.

Yeah Kurapika is older, and has been training to fight spiders his whole life. But I don't see it being more valuable than Killua being tortured and manipulated by his own family, poisoned to raise his resistances, beaten and abandoned in random situations to fend for himself. And on top of all that, recieving a harsh training regiment from his Father/Grandfather. Killua's training actually seems more hellish than anything Kurapika went through.