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there is no way to tell because we do not know how strong kurapica is at the moment.

We can assume kurapica didnt go through much training because he was busy otherwise, thus it would make sense for killuah to be stronger one on one in a fair fight in which both parties are cautious.

assumung Killuah was a spider and kurapica wanted to take him down like the rest, i am pretty sure tho that kurapica would find a way to do it.

he could also have brought down Chrollo back when the other protagonists didnt even have a hatsu.
And I would Assume chrollo to be stronger than Kurapica in a 1n1 fight.
When Kurapica is determined, he is like a t1000.
 

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I don't see why Gon and Killua would be stronger than Kurapika, nothing suggests this at least, Kurapika had an advantage against Uvo but it's not only due to his chains that he won. Only Chain Jail is restricted to the Spiders, he can use all the others on anyone, and there's still a Chain with an unknown ability. His encounter with Mizai also shown that he improved.
Right. Kurapicka overall has a general boosted aura due to harsh vow & conditions he set on his Nen. Still Kurapicka has shown to be one of the smartest characters & that carries over to his batlle prowness.

Gon after his fight(s) with Knuckle beat up a couple soldier ants & for the main event before he transformed...Was rather cold & scary his Nen was surely Mutiplied by his emotions he later used....So I still don't see how Gon would be faster or stronger than Kurapicka considering he only achieved such power due to the situation at hand.

Killua from the start of the manga was the most experienced in basically everything. Until YorkNew, But During NGL he was awesome running through ant squads, armies, and yes under his own power and ability put the moves on a RG....His Kanmaru mode is still limited in duration....Also Killua is deadly but with Nen in play his claws aren't that useful as they use to be..others can defend with a large amount
Of Nen to limit its damage. Still I don't see how Killua would be able to dominate Kurapicka so easily. Considering he can use IN on his dowsin chain & heal from injuries.

@ZaAttzk Sweet Post......But why do you feel Silva is incompetent? because he's been seen with His Grandfather almost all the time. Silva along with Kurapicka & Hisoka all have killed A Member of the Spider...I don't see how you've attained such an opinion of him when he doesn't have too many showings....Of course his father is stronger than him.....Age in HxH is basically equal to experience and power...Zeno,Netero, Maha all the oldest Humans with the most boss reputations......Silva is far from incompetent or weak. He smashed an Chimera Squad Leader easily with a free fall punch, Chrollo & him obviously don't like each other, they have history Silva killed his #4 & Silva even knows of his Hatsu stealing abilities...So I wouldn't count Silva out as a fail Zodlyck.

His relationship with his Father is good. They seem open & honest with each other. Zeno even shares his closest moment to death with the King with Silva etc etc...Also Silva is the man of the house now, not Zeno. Zeno still actively assassinates so if he's on a dangerous job he'll choose to take lea such as the Chrollo fight because 1) He's still his dad who's stronger 2)Strategically is the best option 3)Zeno is much more expendable than Silva
 

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As i said, Gon is arguable: Out of the two i think Gon is the easiest for Kurapika to beat,

That being said, i don't think Kurapika is better than Killua in any base stat. Killua is smarter(combat wise), faster, more conscious, has many more years of combat experience and a calm combat disposition that isn't run by emotions.

The healing argument is fair: But if He is on the receiving end of a volley of dozens of lightning enhanced punches, or stunned first before the volley of attacks begin i don't think healing factor should be considered. Killua is a speed fighter, unlike Uvo who was majority melee, he could use emission to keep Kurapika on the back foot. And i respect the Mystery chain arguement but if we're going of what little we actually have, then Killua has more implying that he would win, outside of Killua's smarts and situational awareness not much as been expanded on since the end of York New.
 

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there is no way to tell because we do not know how strong kurapica is at the moment.

We can assume kurapica didnt go through much training because he was busy otherwise, thus it would make sense for killuah to be stronger one on one in a fair fight in which both parties are cautious.

assumung Killuah was a spider and kurapica wanted to take him down like the rest, i am pretty sure tho that kurapica would find a way to do it.

he could also have brought down Chrollo back when the other protagonists didnt even have a hatsu.
And I would Assume chrollo to be stronger than Kurapica in a 1n1 fight.
When Kurapica is determined, he is like a t1000.
He certainly improved after all this time. Leorio was talking abut his hobbies and busy studing and yet he came back much stronger with a Nen ability even though he only knew Ten at York Shin.

As i said, Gon is arguable: Out of the two i think Gon is the easiest for Kurapika to beat,

That being said, i don't think Kurapika is better than Killua in any base stat. Killua is smarter(combat wise), faster, more conscious, has many more years of combat experience and a calm combat disposition that isn't run by emotions.

The healing argument is fair: But if He is on the receiving end of a volley of dozens of lightning enhanced punches, or stunned first before the volley of attacks begin i don't think healing factor should be considered. Killua is a speed fighter, unlike Uvo who was majority melee, he could use emission to keep Kurapika on the back foot. And i respect the Mystery chain arguement but if we're going of what little we actually have, then Killua has more implying that he would win, outside of Killua's smarts and situational awareness not much as been expanded on since the end of York New.
The Kurta is a clan of fighters, Kurapika is a martial artist, it's just that he is not a killer. Killua has not shown to be smartest than Kurapika in combat, everything Kurapika did against the Troupe was planned, targeting Uvo, taunting him to do what he wanted, he had even already considered the possibility of a Nen exorcist when he created his abilities, surprising even Killua. Killua might have better base stats overall but Emperor Time changes everything, with this, he has the offensive and defensive capabilities of an Enhancer, Killua only used dozen of strikes against a dumb Youpi and it wastes all of his reserves, against an experienced Nen user it would never be that easy, Aura flow can be much faster than physical movements with enough training and control.
 

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As i said, Gon is arguable: Out of the two i think Gon is the easiest for Kurapika to beat,

That being said, i don't think Kurapika is better than Killua in any base stat. Killua is smarter(combat wise), faster, more conscious, has many more years of combat experience and a calm combat disposition that isn't run by emotions.

The healing argument is fair: But if He is on the receiving end of a volley of dozens of lightning enhanced punches, or stunned first before the volley of attacks begin i don't think healing factor should be considered. Killua is a speed fighter, unlike Uvo who was majority melee, he could use emission to keep Kurapika on the back foot. And i respect the Mystery chain arguement but if we're going of what little we actually have, then Killua has more implying that he would win, outside of Killua's smarts and situational awareness not much as been expanded on since the end of York New.
Killua's main fault in Kanmaru currently is it's short duration and lack of Power or heavy offence.
Remember Killua & Gon have only known Nen for little over a year. Their AOP( How much aura they can attack with) is still limited. Only way around this is settin conditions and such...

Kurapicka under Emperor Time with 100% Enhancement isn't going to feel much of those rapid punches and kicks...Ex Perfect example of this is when Kurapicka countered attack Uvo after being punch'd into a mountain..& Uvo was puzzled how a Manipulator or conjurer could sustain so little damage......If Kurapicka is able to block against Uvogin's punches with no damage...Killua's flurry of fist won't do more damage.

I would say Killua is close but not there yet until he raises his time in Kanmaru and can fire more consecutive electric charges without having to recharge...I don't see him taking down Hunters like Morel, knuckle or anyone of that caliber. He also posses his Yo-Yo's which weigh a few tons and he can carry an electric charge through them...

Still I see his blows being shrugged off by Kurapika who will heal if caught off guard by his claws...Then he'll beat Killua silly, strangle him with an invisible chain, or whip him too death.
 

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Emperor time is an issue,

how does an Enhancer's physical stats compare vs an emiiter's long ranged attacks? And i make the point of his attacks, because when actually trying to accomplish damage (And not blow off steam by throwing half assed punches) Killua is actually capable of atomizing objects on a molecular level when enhancing his punches with emitter and transmuted properties.
 

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"Atomizing objects on molecular lv"
Please find me the of dialogue where they use these words or any synonyms in relation to Killua being able to do such.
Because neither of those two words have never been used in HxH anime or manga I'm sure of it...So plz find me a reference for such a claim, That I know for a fact isn't a true or factual statement.

Also Killua has said himself he isn't comfortable with emission like techniques and isn't comfortable with the application.
His Narukami (Thunderbolt) Hatsu isn't an emission attack. The lighting bolt is shot from Killua's hand the aura never seperates...Your aura has to seperate from your body in order for it to be considered an emission attack or technique...

Ex..dragon head vs dragon dive...Dragon head is connected/controlled to Zeno's hands while Dragon Dive, he creates an independent dragon seperate from his hands or body.

Killua is my Fav character, Dnt get me wrong...& Kanmaru is a badass Hatsu ability, I love it. It still doesn't make Killua an instant death character vs Ppl like Spiders, Morel, Knuckle Illumi, Hisoka etc........His Kanmaru duration is way to small, Rapid punches & kicks would have the same effect vs Enhancer,Emitter or transmuter with higher Aura & skill as it did on Youpi.....His thunder bolt and thunder palms seem much more effective from their 1st introduction, still they are stealth like moves...Killua juss still has more room to grow before he can undoubtedly drop the higher tiers
 

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Agreed. For killua's stuff to count as emission it would have to be visibly separated from his body. As in a lightning ball or something. Otherwise its just his nen behaving like lightning. Its a bit liek zeno's fight against chrollo. At the time controlling his dragon did not require emission because the nen was still connected to him. On the other hand against the ants his attack used an insane bit of emission. To be honest, I am still surprised at the level of emission he showed considering he is a transmuter.

Killua still needs to be able to maintain his kanmuru longer to fight the stronger people around IMO. Its not like killua caused real damage to yupi. The attack was fast and killua could react so fast his enemy didn't even have a chance to act. However the attack did not seem particularly more effective than knuckle's a few pages back. I don't think he would necessarily instantly end fights against high level nen users. It drains him too fast and it does not seem like it significantly increases his offensive power beyond his speed. The situation would be that we would have to believe that killua can take out, says, illumi, hisoka or chrollo is just about 8 hits. I don't that is possible just yet. Sure, he would give them a lot of pain but after that they will kill him.
 

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"Atomizing objects on molecular lv"
Please find me the of dialogue where they use these words or any synonyms in relation to Killua being able to do such.
When he completely vaporized Pouf's cells via an electric shock when he attacked him and Komugi.

at·om·ized -> Verb to destroy an object in it's smallest unit of existence.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Hunter-x-Hunter/303?id=97504#12

To completely vaporize cells basically. While that 'exact' wording isn't used, to destroy something's functional building blocks at the most base level is to atomize it.

-Secondly you're reaching way too far into what i said and making a baseless argument @Genesis

Killua could beat Kurapika, never said anything about the rest of the people you suddenly started listing. Kurapika is exceptionally good against the Spiders because of his Covenant against them.

That being said, Kurapika vs Killua:

Kurapika (as far as we know) lacks any major combat Hatsu atm(outside of spiders), his stats are close to Kill's (he doesn't have the death vow powerup because Kill isn't a spider) <- I feel as if it's believed that Kurapika is generally more useful now because of the vow, he literally promised himself he wouldn't use that reservoir of techniques/nen/hatsu on anyone but a spider or he'd -DIE- he literally cannot engage anyone with whatever god like power up you think comes from his vow.


I used the atomization point not to say he could 'atomize' everyone and anyone, just saying that a defensive aura of an enhancer wouldn't completely snuff out a transmuter based attack. Although punches, and physical attacks can be snuffed using the "Concentrate more aura to pillow the attack" pattern, whenever emission/transmutation is involved, direct aura vs aura contract doesn't seem to help nearly as well.

And also... The red eyes means that he can USE a technique in said category to it's 100% efficiency, technically speaking he can copy and employ ANY nen technique. That being said, it doesn't grant him a master level Enhancer shield or whatever you're getting at, his aura amount and mastery stay exactly the same. The only difference is that he might be able to match an enhancer with his experience in an enhancer fight if they use similar techniques, idk where this red eyes = sage mode thought process is coming from.

And if Killua could strike with enough aura to vaporize half of a RG's face, and quicker than Youpi could react, i don't see Kurapika being able to withstand the opening assault. Unless you mean to tell me that Kurapika has a higher base defense stat than a RG.

Again, never said anything about Hisoka (whose hatsu is literally the counter to God speed, limiting a person's movement + being rubber), and Illumi who probably underwent the same electric temperence training as Kill so Kill's base techniques are useless against. Just kurapika.

Killua has equal base stats (actually i'd argue more but at least equal)
Killua has more combat experience.
Killua has a fully functional (but not mastered) hatsu with no constrictions he can use vs other people..

As you said God speed is short, but how short really is it? He used it wastefully on Youpi to 'blow steam' but usually when hes more efficient, it lasts a nice amount of time. Like: when he was playing dodge with Komugi vs Pouf, and then immediately sped off to help Gon, used God speed to save gon for death-vow pitou, and presumably used God speed to get Gon (who was in critical condition) to a hospital. God speed lasted him through ALL of that, because he wasn't pissed off and he wasn't throwing dozens of punches and kicks a second with no point or killing intent.
 
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When talking about Atoms and molecules that is referring to God like powers or science control..
I proved my point however that word isn't use neither is a like synonym. Killua said "Ill burn you up" after a reference to Pufu's copies sharing the same cells as his real body........No I'm not reaching, Say what you mean and mean why your say...Atomizing something is a whole new realm of power.

I'm not looking for it but it's there in the manga. After Uvogin fight...Kurapicka approaches his teacher with Scarlet Eye's. His teacher says his aura is different and it has increased......Why fans or viewers wouldn't deduce or think that Kurapicka becomes Stronger when he uses his Scarlet eyes I wouldn't understand that...He's been given a boost every other time he does and since the introduction of Nen it's the same thing with more context to it allowing Complete Nen efficiency in all categories.

You say Killua can beat Kurapicka and I say he can't....What's your point? Because I believe I made mine when I explained how Kurapicka even because of his vow,condition's and Multiplied Nen still is in a league above Killua's current ability. & All you can say is that Kurapicka is super bolstered against Spiders...That still doesn't change the fact he's still stronger than Killua.

& No technically Kurapicka cannot use or copy others Nen abilities..But to address your point directly. His 100efficiency was the difference between Tanking Uvogin's punch, counter attacking & taking very little damage...Compared to taking the attack, not being able to counterattack & taking some decent damage....Because Manipulators, Conjurer & Specialization unless heavily built & high aura cannot exchange blows h2h with Enhancers,Emitters or Transmuters & expect to come out on top...But Kurapicka can due to 100% Enhancement

Also Killua already confirmed that Pufu was a copy...& we all know his copies aren't as strong or fast as his complete body is.
The fact Killua couldn't vaporize Youpi even though he caught him off guard at a most vulnerable positin.....The level of damage was easy to preform considering his opponent and his ability who basically used up his cells to heal the King already.


How short is Godspeed? Idk But it's short enough to not be a clutch against High Tier or medium high tier characters.
AOP the consumption of Aura is increased during a battle from 1 to 10...& of course if you use special moves you'll burn even more Nen.
Killua used GodSpeed vs Youpi & burnt out rather quickly, not even 3minutes if we had to really a time frame on it. As for GodSpeed vs Pufu he also isn't attacking only dodging and still doesn't use it for very long.

The ridiculous question your asking me is how much time passes between Killua running towards Gon&Pitou, when he uses to save Gon from Pitou......Thats not something to be easily judged or speculated on because we're referring to a graphic novel where the passage of time is almost non-existent unless it ties in or plays on to the plot.

Mid Hunter- Developed Hatsu, Proficient fighter, Polished Auras
Kastro, Tszeguerra, Shizuku, Shalnark, Gentheru, Pakunoda, Gon(Before Transformation), Killua(Current), Gotoh , Kalluto, Bonolenov, Chimera Squad Leaders, Knuckle, Shoot, Kurapicka, Leol, Chimera Palm, Tsuborne, Morel, Knuv, Nobunaga, Zazan

Everyone above Killua can beat him for obvious or not so obvious reasons.Everyone under him he can beat for obvious or not so obvious reasons.
 

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Have you ever bought any type of cooking utensil, tech engine or e-cig with an 'atomizer'? I assure you the term for atomizing something doesn't evolve into anything 'god-like'. Actually i think what you believe I'm referring to is more disintegration... the power to even destroy the atomic structure of something -> Now that would be God like. Atomizing isn't anything special, it's just burning something away at it's basic level.

Firstly: Again, you've made my point for me.

Yes, his aura increases, due to his emotional state. It's literally a trend that EVERYONE shares, even Gon when he was pissed up til he fought Pitou. It's an anime trend, be mad, get strong. Kurapika's anger is deep seeded and not irrational, so the power up sticks and doesn't wave away like other anger-created power ups. I'm just not sure you can reach for a God-like power up category to save his fighting.

Kurapika Literally cannot fight Killua with the strength gained from the vow he made or he dies. He's left with his base stats and lack of un-spider related hatsu.

My point is: At almost any instance of the show, stats wise Killua is stronger than Kurapika:

the difference is night and day based on the fact that he had a combat multiplier x his red eyed state x his spider created hatsu. When fighting the Ants, Killua showed a level of speed, strength, and combat knowledge that extends from him being an assassin, knowing how to take someone down with little to no effort. And if you think about it, Killua all his life has been playing the combat field from a weaker position, so he knows about efficiency more than anyone. I mean, a 6 year old assassin? He has to be crafty from the beginning in order to keep himself alive.

I mean if you slice up the fight:

(from what we know)
He'd have no hatsu except the healing chain, based stats increased by Red eyes and basic aura techniques.
vs
Killua with similar/Higher base stats and deeper combat understanding, with a Hatsu that allows him to literally trade blows with someone close combat quicker than their brain can react, and a lightning infused palm strike that burns away flesh.

In order for Kurapika's nen defense to even matter, he'd have to at least see Killua coming, or his attack path while he attacks in God speed, and we've seen that even from a position of 5-15 yards away, he moves so fast he seems as if he 'warps' to an enemy's blind side to unleash his attack (@Youpi clash), also being an assassin, he'd know how to construct his blows to be effective from the ground up, and take down an enemy in as little amount of hits as possible.

Also:
Person with no nen > Nen-user > Hatsu Enabled Nen user.

Kurapika has no combat Hatsu, outside of the spider enabled ones.

That 'ridiculous' question is a valid point. When he attacked Youpi, he literally confessed that all he was doing was 'Blowing steam'. He used nothing but punches and kicks and didn't even stay around afterwards, he just needed to throw some blows in frustration. That in of itself makes that scene invalid when considering the 'efficiency' aspect of God speed. If he was angry and just throwing aura around because of his little spat with Gon, then it hardly reflects on how he'd preform in a battle minding his reserves. Yes, he was being chased around by a clone, but he had a burden of carrying around Komugi. To tell me that him running around the castle, then using hatsu to attack pouf twice, sprint to the castle that was about 5-10 miles away, save gon and haul tail to an emergency room took less energy than 30 seconds of rapid attacks is kind of ridiculous. Except... it did? So clearly, there was something up with his aura usage when he was throwing those attacks, almost like he wasn't thinking right and wasting it.

Kurapika literally has 1 arc where he has any feats but his stats are dramatically increased. His stats are multiplied vs spiders and plot armor made him a God on Hotwheels during the arc where none of the main chars even had hatsu. But that was months ago, both Gon and Killua have grown to levels of power. The fact that you keep dragging Killua death vow's power into this is comparable to me making the arguement that Adult Gon v anyone is a reflection of what Gon the Kid can actually do.

Death vow Kurapika > Killua, I won't lie.

But kurapika at his basic level doesn't have the stuff. No Hatsu, no drive, less combat intelligence/experience. He would literally be dropped before he could react.



This isn't even important but: Even Gon and Killua's first teacher (What's his name? Wing?) Told Gon and Killua if they wanted to learn Bungie gum (when they rewatched the fight of Hisoka vs Unimportant enhancer guy) they could, but it doesn't match their personality, and at the time not knowing their nen category, it wouldn't be efficient to do so. Taking the fact that Kurapika is 100% in every category, the 'nen' category and efficiency issue fly out the window... obviously so yes Technically he CAN learn every skill. It's not really something that's arguable when it was established the very first arc that Hatsu was used.
 

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Have you ever bought any type of cooking utensil, tech engine or e-cig with an 'atomizer'? I assure you the term for atomizing something doesn't evolve into anything 'god-like'. Actually i think what you believe I'm referring to is more disintegration... the power to even destroy the atomic structure of something -> Now that would be God like. Atomizing isn't anything special, it's just burning something away at it's basic level.
No, I haven't. Yes I believe you where referring to something more grandeur than disintegration Yes the power to destroy the atomic structure of something....Which is Godlike as you agree.

But I'll paraphase you " He atomized Pufu to his molecular structure" or "He atomized Pufu's Molecular structure"

So was I reaching for correcting using such terms or where you reaching in Killua's description of his electric powers potency??

Firstly: Again, you've made my point for me.
Yes, his aura increases, due to his emotional state. It's literally a trend that EVERYONE shares, even Gon when he was pissed up til he fought Pitou. It's an anime trend, be mad, get strong. Kurapika's anger is deep seeded and not irrational, so the power up sticks and doesn't wave away like other anger-created power ups. I'm just not sure you can reach for a God-like power up category to save his fighting.
His aura in general increases once he's Scarlet Eye'd & turns into a specialization user.
http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14092-19/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-83.html
(I said I wouldn't look for it..Took a lil while too...I suggest Every Fan read Ch.81-83 then read it again)

HXH "Shounen" Power Up isn't so chessey compared to its peers. They correlate this power up through their supernatural mechanics very well. It isn't somethin easily obtainable, The right form of mind, heart, will & psyche have to acheieved.
http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14092-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-83.html

Also Correction to our Basic Formula of Mystery Nen Points.
Mystery Nen points are actually The power from Conditions & pledges.
& The Emotional power up actually surpasses the 100% Efficiency.

Kurapika Literally cannot fight Killua with the strength gained from the vow he made or he dies. He's left with his base stats and lack of un-spider related hatsu.
Chain Jail & Chain Judgement are the only 2 chains out of 5 that Kurapicka materialized that are Spider Only.....& Have A condition and pledge on them which increase their power & carry Mystery Points.

The 2 other chains he can use just fine...Dowsing Chain he has already use against Non spiders, from blocking bullets & disarming ppl...& his healing chain & 1 middle finger chain that hasn't been used yet.
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My point is: At almost any instance of the show, stats wise Killua is stronger than Kurapika:
He was stronger than everyone for the obvious reason of being a child Assasin. Regardless YorkNew Arc Kurqpicka was the strongest out of the 4Main Characters. That obviously didn't change during Greed Island Arc either because we seen the fruits of their labor in NGL and it comes up very short still conpared to Mid Tier Hunters.

the difference is night and day
Read or Reread Ch81-83 for Kurapicka's manga version fight vs Uvo.
Killua's ability hasn't reached that tier lv of fighting using Nen yet.

based on the fact that he had a combat multiplier x his red eyed state x his spider created hatsu. When fighting the Ants, Killua showed a level of speed, strength, and combat knowledge that extends from him being an assassin, knowing how to take someone down with little to no effort. And if you think about it, Killua all his life has been playing the combat field from a weaker position, so he knows about efficiency more than anyone. I mean, a 6 year old assassin? He has to be crafty from the beginning in order to keep himself alive.
Killua single handidly took out Mutiple Chimera Ant Soldiers, 2 Weak Chimera Ant Officers Flutter & Ikalgo...All who at which are weak in terms of Nen...Ant soldiers & mention officers are barely stronger than Gon&Kilkua Immediately after G.I Arc..

It's a fact Battle oreintation wise killua is the most experienced and knowledgable on how to kill someone. Kurapika however shares the same lv of Togashi induced Coolness. Kurapicka has the unique adept ability to be good at every thing he does. His battle prowness isn't exlipsed by Killua's experience an still posses more Aura than Killua.


I mean if you slice up the fight:

(from what we know)
He'd have no hatsu except the healing chain, based stats increased by Red eyes and basic aura techniques.
vs
Killua with similar/Higher base stats and deeper combat understanding, with a Hatsu that allows him to literally trade blows with someone close combat quicker than their brain can react, and a lightning infused palm strike that burns away flesh.
He has 2 Hatsu Dowsing Chain & Healing Chain....He's been much stronger than Killua since YorkNew Arc.... G.I Arc,NGL Arc, Invasion Arc, Election Arc...Four Arcs later & Killua has only just begun to acheieve the same lv of power As Kurapicka. He faced diffixulty vs Chimera Palm...Chimera Squad Leaders have decent or high mid tier aura's, The Spiders and Morel can still handle them but Killua hasn't shown the same feats to say the same for himself.

Also Killua destroyed the face of a RG ant who 70% of his cells were absorbed by King.
You are over hyping the feat.....Killua's attack had that result because Pufu was using a clone body & already lost most of his cells

In order for Kurapika's nen defense to even matter, he'd have to at least see Killua coming, or his attack path while he attacks in God speed, and we've seen that even from a position of 5-15 yards away, he moves so fast he seems as if he 'warps' to an enemy's blind side to unleash his attack (@Youpi clash), also being an assassin, he'd know how to construct his blows to be effective from the ground up, and take down an enemy in as little amount of hits as possible.
Not true. That's what KEN is for maximum Defence all around. Kurapicka still has 100% Enhancement and blocked a punch from Uvo....Killua's Kanmaru time is shown to be too limited to say he can pummel Mid Tier Hunters to death or otherwise assault them to their death..

Your also slicing the situation the way you please.
Killua's assaulted Yupi in such a matter because he planned on running away right after.
Killua doesn't know when Kanmaru is going to run out he just know it will and does and until more mastery and practice isn't indefinite. HxH characters also don't start out the gate with special moves they build their special moves for direct hits, or force their opponents to use their move to avoid and find a counter to gain an advantage...Xountless factors in fights which HxH represents very well..


Also:
Person with no nen > Nen-user > Hatsu Enabled Nen user.

Kurapika has no combat Hatsu, outside of the spider enabled ones.
The Greater variable belongs on the open side...The direction of the point symbolizes Greater than or less than...So you have your Signs wrong here..But I would speculate as to what you mean if you mean Hatsu User>Nen user>No Nen user..Whoch this point is obselete Killua&Kurapicka both have Hatsu...Kurapicka's an unbalanced power but a finished power unlike Kanmaru which is still in its growing stages.

Also Healing chain is a support Hatsu & Dowsing chain can be used for both Deffence & Offence juat has no special ability behind it, juss power & speed.

That 'ridiculous' question is a valid point. When he attacked Youpi, he literally confessed that all he was doing was 'Blowing steam'. He used nothing but punches and kicks and didn't even stay around afterwards, he just needed to throw some blows in frustration. That in of itself makes that scene invalid when considering the 'efficiency' aspect of God speed. If he was angry and just throwing aura around because of his little spat with Gon, then it hardly reflects on how he'd preform in a battle minding his reserves.
Ok your making me Favorite character sound stupid and someone who lashes out on emotions..Plz Stop.

He attacked Youpi because Knuckle was about go Splat on his Fist. He was already invisible when he struck him with Naruki. & logically it's inferred that he told Meleron to wait for him, while he then Blew off His Steam on Youpi which was impressive but did no damage of course but still impressive. And Ran out of steam rather quick ,he retreated when he ran out of juice and went invisible and got lost. His gauge on his duration is good but not percise but Killua is smart so he kept his distance & executed his escape.

Yes, he was being chased around by a clone, but he had a burden of carrying around Komugi. To tell me that him running around the castle, then using hatsu to attack pouf twice, sprint to the castle that was about 5-10 miles away, save gon and haul tail to an emergency room took less energy than 30 seconds of rapid attacks is kind of ridiculous. Except... it did? So clearly, there was something up with his aura usage when he was throwing those attacks, almost like he wasn't thinking right and wasting it.
AOP- Aura is burnt at 10 per min when fighting & at 1 per min when using aura doing nothing. Ren is Battle aura/power up for Hatsu usages which burns the most aura through training you'll burn it less and more proficient.....Either who my point is was Killua evading attacks for a short duration and simple traveling which takes much less stamina and aura usage than battle

Or was he fighting dishing out rapid attacks and a final charged electric strike. Your rational for his Kanmaru usage doesn't add up.....I didn't address this the last quote but you yourself say Killua was blowing off steam..then address if he was just blowing of frustration from his Spat wit Gon it shouldn't be held against him & he'll be smarter in different battle & there was something wrong with his aura usage....................

Sigh, Killua is not stupid. RG's Aura can cripple experienced Hunters/Nen users, Killua is too sharp to not mind aura consumption For him to be burning it up on such a life or death mission and didn't start that fight to just blow off steam. He cannot 100% gauge Kanmaru but has a good grasp on his current limit. Dodging for a brief moment of time carrying a small adult has nothing to do with his Kanmaru limit and traveling an unknown distance does not consume the same amount of aura it does fighting.

Your argument here is weak and makes little sense it's all personal bias. His Kanmaru duration in battle is short as it was shown. You can't twist this using other scenes where he wasn't fighting or using Kanmaru for a long duration in action.

Kurapika literally has 1 arc where he has any feats but his stats are dramatically increased. His stats are multiplied vs spiders and plot armor made him a God on Hotwheels during the arc where none of the main chars even had hatsu. But that was months ago, both Gon and Killua have grown to levels of power. The fact that you keep dragging Killua death vow's power into this is comparable to me making the arguement that Adult Gon v anyone is a reflection of what Gon the Kid can actually do.
Why would I mention Kurapika's death vow vs Killua it doesn't apply to Killua not does the hatsu or power up. You are bringing it up....Scarlet Eye's or Emperor Time has nothing to do with his death vow. It's Killua's bloodline that allows him a power up and specialization ability of 100%.
I don't even like Kurapika very much, he's written the way Togashi wants him to be portrayed and 20/20 hindsight on the chapters...Kurapicka's Vengeful Spirit + Natural strong & intelligent red character makes him who he is.

Gon&Killua attained what lv of power? Did Gon all of sudden pass Knuckle? When did they do that and how?

Look in any A Vs B fight.....Whoever you want to win will win....Gon vs Bomber....Gon vs Hisoka.....Examples of how you can make whoever you want to win can and will win, & with good writing the suspense of belief will be believable. However with all the BUll crap aside plot,bias,CIS,PIS.....Hisoka kills Gon, Bomber Kills Gon after a brief struggle, Knukle kills Gon
The difference is more than enough to say the character will always win...

HxH is just too deep for some. Killua uses Kanmaru a great ability he hasn't mastered yet, an ability he can't use very long and all of a sudden he's taking out Spider lv characters and Hunters like Knuckle with ease

Death vow Kurapika > Killua, I won't lie.

But kurapika at his basic level doesn't have the stuff. No Hatsu, no drive, less combat intelligence/experience. He would literally be dropped before he could react.
Juss to nitpick, no drive? Wth are you referring to

No Hatsu? I believe Kurapicka has 5 of those. 2 For Spiders, 2 For whoever, 1 unknown chain

Intelligence- http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14091-19/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-82.html
Outsmarts a Potent Enhancer an experienced Nen user much before Kurapicka was.
He out smarted the Spider stole their boss, Gon&Killua lack of ability to escape wasnt his fault.. still he managed to ex-communicate Chrollo & Death vow on his Nen + Death vow another member which killed her limiting her Nen and info leak of him....He also picked out Partison Hunter exam spies, figure out Zodiac spy, and foretell Beyond's strategy to escape during the voyage.......HxH top tier characters all have innate intelligence, experience & 6th sense...Wel'll be here all day comparing their intelligence.

& No Kurapicka has been his superior since YorkNew and nothing has change drastically enough for Killua to undoubtedly Beat Kurapicka. Who more times than not still has a significant edge

This isn't even important but: Even Gon and Killua's first teacher (What's his name? Wing?) Told Gon and Killua if they wanted to learn Bungie gum (when they rewatched the fight of Hisoka vs Unimportant enhancer guy) they could, but it doesn't match their personality, and at the time not knowing their nen category, it wouldn't be efficient to do so. Taking the fact that Kurapika is 100% in every category, the 'nen' category and efficiency issue fly out the window... obviously so yes Technically he CAN learn every skill. It's not really something that's arguable when it was established the very first arc that Hatsu was used.
No your wrong and I wish someone else would have jumped in for this correction.
Hatsu is giving your Thoughts & will shape and form according to your Main Nen type or otherwise if you recklessly choose so......

So HxH characters don't have mutiple jutsu, Sword release techniques , or techniques period. Nor is it possible for them too....Unless

Kurapicka Hatsu Materializes a hand chain, each chain has different Nen function..Enhancer healing chain, Emitter Vow Chain, Materialized Chain Jail, Materalized Dowsing Chain...100% When Scarlet Eye

Zeno's Hatsu Transmutes aura to His Deagon Head, Dragon Dive is Emitter/transmuter...

Gon Hatsu Enhancer Charge KO punch, Trasnmuter Charged sword, Emitter charged aura sphere projectile

Chrollo- Specialization Users, Stores Hatsu inside book. Person dies so does their Hatsu
Leol- Specialization User stores Hatsu inside phone uses ticket for single time use

Characters don't really have more than one Hatsu but variations of their intial Hatsu. Which is what a Nen users Ideal Hatsu should be flexible for mutiple uses to the users natural profession, environment or circumstances.

Killua cannot turn his aura into another substance nor can Hisoka...Why because to do so in the first place takes effort, a close relation to such, The will to do so, basically the intuition & desire. That being said very logically you can only be so good or better yet you can only attain that much ingenuity.....Ex. A great example is someone can Throw 100mph fast ball,lift 400+, Run a mile in 5mins or less, or other distances at professional records, play a sport at a professional lv...etc etc........No one can do all of the above or such a wide range of skills, you'll forgot the others or your skill will decrease in order to master something else.

Hatsu is the same way they cannot switch up or have mutiple techniques in the long run it will only dull their skill & ability lv.
 
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Firstly:
You made the point of me making Killua look stupid because he's emotional? Because you missed the part of the show where he literally broke down crying over him and Gon being at odds? Not that it's even 'stupid' to be emotional.

He literally said, 'sorry, but what is going to happen next is me blowing off some steam' HE himself basically said he's about to blow emotions and be throw a small tantrum, so why are you even arguing vs his own words and things that happened in the show/manga? Aka him literally breaking down infront of Ant Palm? Yeah. His out break performed a purpose which saved Knuckle and Co. but to deny that Killua wasn't emotionally racked during all of this when he cried around that time is just plain denial?

So unless you can prove to me, that his emotional stability up until he cried, and cried again because of the situation with Gon, didn't factor into his OWN mouth saying "He's just blowing steam" Then you're literally fighting a battle versus Killua's own words/actions. So i don't see the point of entertaining that with you.

And another point i have to make -> Him 'running' an unknown distance? He ran his hardest and his fastest. out of desperation to save a friend he considered his closest, and did the same exact motion to get him to a hospital. He sprinted at least AT LEAST 10 miles. So you mean to tell me that 30 seconds of throwing punches and kicks can amount to the same work as ... even 'jogging' 5 miles?

You say i have the personal bias and my argument is weak: But unless you can prove that a 10 mile sprint of desperation is ever less tiring than 30 sections of throwing punches and kicks as fast as you can, it seems like he was wasting energy. Common sense would dictate so.

Secondly:
You still act like he has the VS spider power multiplier.

Yes he's strong. but that strength falls off when fighting anyone BUT a spider, aka the reason why they know his weakness. Killua even states that if they know about that flaw in his Nen and send someone elsel, He'd be puddy, and was pissed that He even told them. Followed by him asking Kurapika to place judgement chains on them so that they'd die if put into a position to betray. Which Kurapika declined ofc.

Sure, he's Uber when vs a spider. But he losses that strength and returns to BASE STATS + red eyes. Idk why you skip that important part and keep comparing Killua to any and all of the spiders. Yes Killua would lose vs a large number of the spiders. But that has nothing to do with Basic Kurapika, who'd be fighting the fight because the conditions of his death vow aren't satisfied. Basic Kurapika would've lost to Uvo 10/10 times.

Kurapika is slower w/o nen
Kurapika is weaker w/o nen
Combat intelligence is not the same as general deduction skills. Aka Look at Gon, he was able to figure out that if Knuckle and Meleoron got hit by D.D. He'd have to fight on their behalf/recover their injured bodies. Second to realize this was perhaps Killua, then the others understood why he was going straight for Youpi. But when basic strategy is throw his way, he falls apart mentally.

But we all know that Enhancers are usually considered lower tier intelligence wise generally speaking anyway. He was planning this from the moment he invisioned his Hatsu until the moment, vs an opponent who doesn't even think longer than 5 minutes ahead at a time.

His chain can't help him vs someone who is literally quicker to attack than the electrical signals in his brain are to respond, and using Ten with enough aura to block a blind assault from God speed would waste so much aura he doesn't have in his basic form that it'd be over even after that.

Next point:
Ten wouldn't stop a Hatsu from a blind spot. It'd slow it down. but not stop it. It'd be a big waste of Aura. Again you get swept in the sea of power ups. Yes, he has proficiency with all nen categories, but nen categories come into play alot more in Hatsu. Simply being an enhancer doesn't make your aura suddenly unbreakable, it's aided by an Enhancers natural understanding of their category and how to mold/increase their physical density to absorb blows and snuff out aura. Even if he can reach 100% what an Enhancer can, doesn't mean he's trained in anything Enhancer-shield related.







Again... its dumb that i have to revisit this but since you clearly want to disagree about everything:

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Hunter-x-Hunter/56?id=17098#13

From that page on, Wing answers Killua's question about whether or not Killua should recreate Bungie gum as a Hatsu. Wing tells him he could, but he has to understand nen efficency. And on top of that, it steams from a person's personality in growth. So while he could, he couldn't use it nearly as well or as underhandedly as Hisoka. Not to copy Hisoka (bungie gum) and to follow his own style.

Check anime episode 33.

So no, I'm not 'wrong' when the Anime + Manga say the exact same things.

So just so we're clear and you don't go digging to hard: It is possible for anyone to learn ANY hatsu, just takes practice. Is it practical? No of course not, you'll lose out on your category and personal growth. I was making the point that Kurapika wouldn't have to worry about the Category section. He'd just be affected by his personality clashing with the nature of the skill.

You basically agreed with my point, but did it very argumentatively for no reason, when barebones its the same thing I'm saying.
 
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Have you ever bought any type of cooking utensil, tech engine or e-cig with an 'atomizer'? I assure you the term for atomizing something doesn't evolve into anything 'god-like'. Actually i think what you believe I'm referring to is more disintegration... the power to even destroy the atomic structure of something -> Now that would be God like. Atomizing isn't anything special, it's just burning something away at it's basic level.

Firstly: Again, you've made my point for me.

Yes, his aura increases, due to his emotional state. It's literally a trend that EVERYONE shares, even Gon when he was pissed up til he fought Pitou. It's an anime trend, be mad, get strong. Kurapika's anger is deep seeded and not irrational, so the power up sticks and doesn't wave away like other anger-created power ups. I'm just not sure you can reach for a God-like power up category to save his fighting.

Kurapika Literally cannot fight Killua with the strength gained from the vow he made or he dies. He's left with his base stats and lack of un-spider related hatsu.

My point is: At almost any instance of the show, stats wise Killua is stronger than Kurapika:

the difference is night and day based on the fact that he had a combat multiplier x his red eyed state x his spider created hatsu. When fighting the Ants, Killua showed a level of speed, strength, and combat knowledge that extends from him being an assassin, knowing how to take someone down with little to no effort. And if you think about it, Killua all his life has been playing the combat field from a weaker position, so he knows about efficiency more than anyone. I mean, a 6 year old assassin? He has to be crafty from the beginning in order to keep himself alive.

I mean if you slice up the fight:

(from what we know)
He'd have no hatsu except the healing chain, based stats increased by Red eyes and basic aura techniques.
vs
Killua with similar/Higher base stats and deeper combat understanding, with a Hatsu that allows him to literally trade blows with someone close combat quicker than their brain can react, and a lightning infused palm strike that burns away flesh.

In order for Kurapika's nen defense to even matter, he'd have to at least see Killua coming, or his attack path while he attacks in God speed, and we've seen that even from a position of 5-15 yards away, he moves so fast he seems as if he 'warps' to an enemy's blind side to unleash his attack (@Youpi clash), also being an assassin, he'd know how to construct his blows to be effective from the ground up, and take down an enemy in as little amount of hits as possible.
I think you're downplaying kurapicas ET. He ate Uvons big bang, that attests to how much nen power/physical strength increase ET gives Kurapica. I must admit yes he might not be able to catch killua, however given the time passed since the Uvon fight I'm fairly sure that he's mastered enhancement by now since enhancement is the most frequently used out of all the nen types. So unless you think killua is as strong as Uvon I don't think he might do much damage on kurapica given the only real damage he did to the RG he tested it on was minimal at best.
http://mangafox.me/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v27/c281/14.html

heres a link to my explanation on his ET IMHO. last line ----> https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75203-Kurapika/page14
 

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No, I haven't. Yes I believe you where referring to something more grandeur than disintegration Yes the power to destroy the atomic structure of something....Which is Godlike as you agree.

But I'll paraphase you " He atomized Pufu to his molecular structure" or "He atomized Pufu's Molecular structure"

So was I reaching for correcting using such terms or where you reaching in Killua's description of his electric powers potency??





His aura in general increases once he's Scarlet Eye'd & turns into a specialization user.
http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14092-19/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-83.html
(I said I wouldn't look for it..Took a lil while too...I suggest Every Fan read Ch.81-83 then read it again)

HXH "Shounen" Power Up isn't so chessey compared to its peers. They correlate this power up through their supernatural mechanics very well. It isn't somethin easily obtainable, The right form of mind, heart, will & psyche have to acheieved.
http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14092-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-83.html

Also Correction to our Basic Formula of Mystery Nen Points.
Mystery Nen points are actually The power from Conditions & pledges.
& The Emotional power up actually surpasses the 100% Efficiency.



Chain Jail & Chain Judgement are the only 2 chains out of 5 that Kurapicka materialized that are Spider Only.....& Have A condition and pledge on them which increase their power & carry Mystery Points.

The 2 other chains he can use just fine...Dowsing Chain he has already use against Non spiders, from blocking bullets & disarming ppl...& his healing chain & 1 middle finger chain that hasn't been used yet.


He was stronger than everyone for the obvious reason of being a child Assasin. Regardless YorkNew Arc Kurqpicka was the strongest out of the 4Main Characters. That obviously didn't change during Greed Island Arc either because we seen the fruits of their labor in NGL and it comes up very short still conpared to Mid Tier Hunters.



Read or Reread Ch81-83 for Kurapicka's manga version fight vs Uvo.
Killua's ability hasn't reached that tier lv of fighting using Nen yet.



Killua single handidly took out Mutiple Chimera Ant Soldiers, 2 Weak Chimera Ant Officers Flutter & Ikalgo...All who at which are weak in terms of Nen...Ant soldiers & mention officers are barely stronger than Gon&Kilkua Immediately after G.I Arc..

It's a fact Battle oreintation wise killua is the most experienced and knowledgable on how to kill someone. Kurapika however shares the same lv of Togashi induced Coolness. Kurapicka has the unique adept ability to be good at every thing he does. His battle prowness isn't exlipsed by Killua's experience an still posses more Aura than Killua.




He has 2 Hatsu Dowsing Chain & Healing Chain....He's been much stronger than Killua since YorkNew Arc.... G.I Arc,NGL Arc, Invasion Arc, Election Arc...Four Arcs later & Killua has only just begun to acheieve the same lv of power As Kurapicka. He faced diffixulty vs Chimera Palm...Chimera Squad Leaders have decent or high mid tier aura's, The Spiders and Morel can still handle them but Killua hasn't shown the same feats to say the same for himself.

Also Killua destroyed the face of a RG ant who 70% of his cells were absorbed by King.
You are over hyping the feat.....Killua's attack had that result because Pufu was using a clone body & already lost most of his cells



Not true. That's what KEN is for maximum Defence all around. Kurapicka still has 100% Enhancement and blocked a punch from Uvo....Killua's Kanmaru time is shown to be too limited to say he can pummel Mid Tier Hunters to death or otherwise assault them to their death..

Your also slicing the situation the way you please.
Killua's assaulted Yupi in such a matter because he planned on running away right after.
Killua doesn't know when Kanmaru is going to run out he just know it will and does and until more mastery and practice isn't indefinite. HxH characters also don't start out the gate with special moves they build their special moves for direct hits, or force their opponents to use their move to avoid and find a counter to gain an advantage...Xountless factors in fights which HxH represents very well..




The Greater variable belongs on the open side...The direction of the point symbolizes Greater than or less than...So you have your Signs wrong here..But I would speculate as to what you mean if you mean Hatsu User>Nen user>No Nen user..Whoch this point is obselete Killua&Kurapicka both have Hatsu...Kurapicka's an unbalanced power but a finished power unlike Kanmaru which is still in its growing stages.

Also Healing chain is a support Hatsu & Dowsing chain can be used for both Deffence & Offence juat has no special ability behind it, juss power & speed.



Ok your making me Favorite character sound stupid and someone who lashes out on emotions..Plz Stop.

He attacked Youpi because Knuckle was about go Splat on his Fist. He was already invisible when he struck him with Naruki. & logically it's inferred that he told Meleron to wait for him, while he then Blew off His Steam on Youpi which was impressive but did no damage of course but still impressive. And Ran out of steam rather quick ,he retreated when he ran out of juice and went invisible and got lost. His gauge on his duration is good but not percise but Killua is smart so he kept his distance & executed his escape.



AOP- Aura is burnt at 10 per min when fighting & at 1 per min when using aura doing nothing. Ren is Battle aura/power up for Hatsu usages which burns the most aura through training you'll burn it less and more proficient.....Either who my point is was Killua evading attacks for a short duration and simple traveling which takes much less stamina and aura usage than battle

Or was he fighting dishing out rapid attacks and a final charged electric strike. Your rational for his Kanmaru usage doesn't add up.....I didn't address this the last quote but you yourself say Killua was blowing off steam..then address if he was just blowing of frustration from his Spat wit Gon it shouldn't be held against him & he'll be smarter in different battle & there was something wrong with his aura usage....................

Sigh, Killua is not stupid. RG's Aura can cripple experienced Hunters/Nen users, Killua is too sharp to not mind aura consumption For him to be burning it up on such a life or death mission and didn't start that fight to just blow off steam. He cannot 100% gauge Kanmaru but has a good grasp on his current limit. Dodging for a brief moment of time carrying a small adult has nothing to do with his Kanmaru limit and traveling an unknown distance does not consume the same amount of aura it does fighting.

Your argument here is weak and makes little sense it's all personal bias. His Kanmaru duration in battle is short as it was shown. You can't twist this using other scenes where he wasn't fighting or using Kanmaru for a long duration in action.



Why would I mention Kurapika's death vow vs Killua it doesn't apply to Killua not does the hatsu or power up. You are bringing it up....Scarlet Eye's or Emperor Time has nothing to do with his death vow. It's Killua's bloodline that allows him a power up and specialization ability of 100%.
I don't even like Kurapika very much, he's written the way Togashi wants him to be portrayed and 20/20 hindsight on the chapters...Kurapicka's Vengeful Spirit + Natural strong & intelligent red character makes him who he is.

Gon&Killua attained what lv of power? Did Gon all of sudden pass Knuckle? When did they do that and how?

Look in any A Vs B fight.....Whoever you want to win will win....Gon vs Bomber....Gon vs Hisoka.....Examples of how you can make whoever you want to win can and will win, & with good writing the suspense of belief will be believable. However with all the BUll crap aside plot,bias,CIS,PIS.....Hisoka kills Gon, Bomber Kills Gon after a brief struggle, Knukle kills Gon
The difference is more than enough to say the character will always win...

HxH is just too deep for some. Killua uses Kanmaru a great ability he hasn't mastered yet, an ability he can't use very long and all of a sudden he's taking out Spider lv characters and Hunters like Knuckle with ease



Juss to nitpick, no drive? Wth are you referring to

No Hatsu? I believe Kurapicka has 5 of those. 2 For Spiders, 2 For whoever, 1 unknown chain

Intelligence- http://www.mangapanda.com/207-14091-19/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-82.html
Outsmarts a Potent Enhancer an experienced Nen user much before Kurapicka was.
He out smarted the Spider stole their boss, Gon&Killua lack of ability to escape wasnt his fault.. still he managed to ex-communicate Chrollo & Death vow on his Nen + Death vow another member which killed her limiting her Nen and info leak of him....He also picked out Partison Hunter exam spies, figure out Zodiac spy, and foretell Beyond's strategy to escape during the voyage.......HxH top tier characters all have innate intelligence, experience & 6th sense...Wel'll be here all day comparing their intelligence.

& No Kurapicka has been his superior since YorkNew and nothing has change drastically enough for Killua to undoubtedly Beat Kurapicka. Who more times than not still has a significant edge



No your wrong and I wish someone else would have jumped in for this correction.
Hatsu is giving your Thoughts & will shape and form according to your Main Nen type or otherwise if you recklessly choose so......

So HxH characters don't have mutiple jutsu, Sword release techniques , or techniques period. Nor is it possible for them too....Unless

Kurapicka Hatsu Materializes a hand chain, each chain has different Nen function..Enhancer healing chain, Emitter Vow Chain, Materialized Chain Jail, Materalized Dowsing Chain...100% When Scarlet Eye

Zeno's Hatsu Transmutes aura to His Deagon Head, Dragon Dive is Emitter/transmuter...

Gon Hatsu Enhancer Charge KO punch, Trasnmuter Charged sword, Emitter charged aura sphere projectile

Chrollo- Specialization Users, Stores Hatsu inside book. Person dies so does their Hatsu
Leol- Specialization User stores Hatsu inside phone uses ticket for single time use

Characters don't really have more than one Hatsu but variations of their intial Hatsu. Which is what a Nen users Ideal Hatsu should be flexible for mutiple uses to the users natural profession, environment or circumstances.

Killua cannot turn his aura into another substance nor can Hisoka...Why because to do so in the first place takes effort, a close relation to such, The will to do so, basically the intuition & desire. That being said very logically you can only be so good or better yet you can only attain that much ingenuity.....Ex. A great example is someone can Throw 100mph fast ball,lift 400+, Run a mile in 5mins or less, or other distances at professional records, play a sport at a professional lv...etc etc........No one can do all of the above or such a wide range of skills, you'll forgot the others or your skill will decrease in order to master something else.

Hatsu is the same way they cannot switch up or have mutiple techniques in the long run it will only dull their skill & ability lv.[/QUOTE]

Just a minor thing. Judgement chain isn't spider-related. The restriction is that it could only be used when his eyes are scarlet. IIRC he said that it would be too dangerous if judgement chain was only for the Ryodan. Like what if he used it on someone like Hisoka. He could've died. :)
 

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Judgment Chain is fairly trivial in terms of its power. It clearly can only be used on targets that are completely disabled (or willing), and even the weakest manipulation users can easily get whatever they want out of the strongest users in the world if those guys are already completely disabled. Kurapika's better at manipulation than emission and the only reason he even has this technique is because he clearly wants the Spiders to repent on their free will as opposed to just repenting as a puppet, even though he surely can do that trivially with the kind of crazy abilities he already has. At any rate since 'manipulate a completely disabled target' is a trivial task, an effect that basically simulates that is also trivial.

Killua remarked that Kurapika's abilities are not really that effective at revenge and this is a perfect example of that. There's no point to implant a device that can kill someone any time if the requirement to implant that device requires that guy to either be willing or completely disabled. You could've just killed that guy to begin with and be done with it, and if you want the guy around for the longer term and want to ensure loyalty, you should learn a manipulation technique. It certainly is easier for Kurapika to learn a manipulation technique compared to emission based on the school distance.
 

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With his Double Face power up I think Chrollo is definitely stronger than Zeno and Silva now. At least considering what we know about them so far, they must have all improved.
 

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We can't deny the fact that chrollo 's hatsu is insanely useful, especially since his new improvement allowing him to combine stolen techniques and use both hands. But i doubt that he is stronger than silva, who's in his prime.
People tend to exagerate his performance against both zoldyck in york shin, he was abused and would've been quickly killed had illumi not call his dad. Moreover we've seen that zeno was far from going all out considering what the old dude showed in the chimera ants arc (dragon dive,etc,etc).
Don't get me wrong chrollo is strong, and versatile , and that's the former aspect that explains his strength, nobunaga and uvo , as well as phynx, or basically any enhancer have extremely simple hatsus, but they are considered as being the best category when it comes to nen fights (kurapika wanted to be one). A strong fighter will always find a way to adapt and deal with a tough situation maximizing his abilities whatever they are (cf gon)
A guy like goreinu had an hatsu very good and very useful against razor during his dodgeball game, far more useful than biscuit, however he was no match for the game master and was quickly handled. The hatsu is important, but the person using it make all the difference.
We've seen almost nothing of silva's hatsu, what we do know , is that he was able to one shot cheetu who was a squadron leader (zeno stating that had cheetu look or not, that would not have made any difference),
We've seen the troupe against similar ants, we've seen kurapika able to kidnap chrollo, silva killed one of them and escaped it unscathed for all we know, nobunaga wanted one of his son (killua) to join the troupe, kalluto another one of his son albeit one if not the weakest is a member, illumi is presented as hisoka peer (a ofrmer troupe member).
Considering all these elements, silva seems depicted stronger than chrollo in my opinion.
 

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Killua literally shit himself when he was caught by the spiders. He said instantly that they have absolutely no chance of beating them. Not THAT much time passed on since then. God Speed is insanely clutch and would be deadly in a combo situation, but shocking Kurapika for a bit won't do much.

We don't even know what Kurapika's 5th finger does and he DOMINATED the strongest member as far as strength goes. He even captured the leader. Killua could never accomplish those feats even though Kurapika has a hax ability.

What I want to know is who's stronger amongst Chrollo and Hisoka in this current fight. I just can't see Hisoka fighting Zeno and Silva at the same time like Chrollo did.
 
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I can see hisoka being able to similarly stall for time against those two.
'Stronger' is also a loosely defined term.
I would believe that Kastro was stronger than Hisoka if he kept his cool.
He was able to take an arm from him and before dominated him in a fight.
If he would not have let hisoka into his head, he would have a very high chance of winning even with his nen ability being far away from his preference.

Yet, Hisoka won because he was smarter and pulled off an amazing trick.

Hisoka has two abilities, but he is able to use those in very unexspected ways.
I can easily see him using bungee gum to use chrollo's abilities against chrollo (for example sticking a sun and a moon symbol towards chrollo or somethin glike t hat.
 
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