Question How y'all view this statement?

[Anne isn't a TT]

I was rereading S3 and came across this panel. Now that S3 is done and dusted. How y'all think about KH statement? Nerfed Yama being compared with 1st gen slayers like Mirchea. We still haven't seen his FT and akrinark has yet to help him. With all the hype Ancients get that they can't unleash their power when FLs even nerfed can unleash their power, can we see him as one of TTs at EoS? Can he surpass the likes of Baek, Mirchea, Adori, Anne?

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Well, we have no info If the other first gen slayers are even alive. IF they are dead, then they died very strong.

 

[Demonspeed]

Pretty sure that Yama will never surpass Adori and Enne. Anyone else among the current Towerborn HRs is fair game IMO but we can't know.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I took it that 1 Fang Yama had comparable strength to 1st Generation Slayers besides Luslec. Basically, that both 1 Fang Yama and 1st Gen Slayers are/were generally around the CC Tier.

As for Yama's place at his theoretical peak, I'd say somewhere around the huge chasm between Regents and Top-Towerborn.

 

[arrowofsky]

I was rereading S3 and came across this panel. Now that S3 is done and dusted. How y'all think about KH statement? Nerfed Yama being compared with 1st gen slayers like Mirchea. We still haven't seen his FT and akrinark has yet to help him. With all the hype Ancients get that they can't unleash their power when FLs even nerfed can unleash their power, can we see him as one of TTs at EoS? Can he surpass the likes of Baek, Mirchea, Adori, Anne?

KH also stated "an uncertain outcome" for the Urek and Luslec fight. Take it all or leave it all (As for me, I don't take this guy seriously from the moment he showed up).

 

[Lonatian]

Yama will never surpassed TTs. He was somewhere below the regent tier.
But to be honest, Yama has lost a lot of battles since Yasratcha appeared.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Regent tier lol!!! It ain’t shit!!! Yama tanked both ancient weapons whereas Robadon barely managed to do survive one. Yama destroyed Proust’s (most powerful Lightbearer in the tower)

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Regent tier lol!!! It ain’t shit!!! Yama tanked both ancient weapons whereas Robadon barely managed to do survive one. Yama destroyed Proust’s (most powerful Lightbearer in the tower)

What are you talking about?
Robadon not only survived, he also defended his whole ship and many outside soldiers.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Luslec is a special case. I’d say comparisons to him should be avoided. He is obviously modified somehow.

 

[Demonspeed]

Luslec is a special case. I’d say comparisons to him should be avoided. He is obviously modified somehow.

??? Baam has been experimented on, Zahard Princesses have Zahard's blood and Beastkins are the result of Traumerei's experiments.

 

[Lord V returned]

I think no "new tower born" will manage to catch up or surpass the likes of Luslec, Adori, Enne, Baek, Molic, Quadrado etc at least until one or more of the following conditions are met:

1. A contract with an administrator through an irregular. Like Enkidu had with Traumerei and we can perhaps suspect that perhaps Luslec had with either Arlene or V or both.
2. Steroids like the princesses take.
3. The door gets opened by Baam/V the people ascend farther up possibly evolving more and obtaining new power, "freedom" etc

So either 1 or all of the above must be met before they can catch up to the old more powerful tower born.

It would straight up just be bad writing if Siu expects us to buy into the nonsense that AA etc can become as powerful as Luslec just based off of aging and none of the above things included.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Luslec is a special case. I’d say comparisons to him should be avoided. He is obviously modified somehow.

I mean if Mirchea became stronger by modifying to that level, every FL will start modifying their subjects so they could make them stronger. I doubt just because he has been experimented(which isn't confirmed), one can be at that level.

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contract with an administrator through an irregular. Like Enkidu had with Traumerei and we can perhaps suspect that perhaps Luslec had with either Arlene or V or both

I doubt Mirchea had received similar kind of blessings to Enkidu. I believe he is the only one to get such blessings. Because Enkidu isn't a human, it's a creature(item) made by master, similar to Jade Awakening Stick which had an oath from the administrator itself. All the things made by master is permitted by administrator. And Enkidu can be considered somewhat a divine sea animal(slime) and administrator are also kind of Animals. And Rei is the master in controlling divine sea animals or maybe he was kinda close to them, that's why administrator gave him blessings (hc). And most importantly I believe headon is the main reason behind it.

 

[arrowofsky]

I mean if Mirchea became stronger by modifying to that level, every FL will start modifying their subjects so they could make them stronger. I doubt just because he has been experimented(which isn't confirmed), one can be at that level.

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I doubt Mirchea had received similar kind of blessings to Enkidu. I believe he is the only one to get such blessings. Because Enkidu isn't a human, it's a creature(item) made by master, similar to Jade Awakening Stick which had an oath from the administrator itself. All the things made by master is permitted by administrator. And Enkidu can be considered somewhat a divine sea animal(slime) and administrator are also kind of Animals. And Rei is the master in controlling divine sea animals or maybe he was kinda close to them, that's why administrator gave him blessings (hc). And most importantly I believe headon is the main reason behind it.

These are are quite good speculation grounds
I am still wondering how come Luslec got out after getting captured by Traumerei in the flashbacks. His current state may or may not be related to that. Moreover, he may or may not be just a modification and got that powerful on the grounds that Arlene or some outer material might be introduced to him, which is not available to other FHs. If I am left chapterless for a few more months I will start to come up with different stories regarding Luslec modifications
We do have one hint (not proof) regarding his body's potential modification origin: it is his diagonal connection-like margin in his head, and different eye colors. Furthermore, he has a slacker, lazy personality so it is highly doubtful if he really get his level by training or anything. This still never confirms anything solely body modification or augmentation origin though. We will see.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

These are are quite good speculation grounds
I am still wondering how come Luslec got out after getting captured by Traumerei in the flashbacks. His current state may or may not be related to that. Moreover, he may or may not be just a modification and got that powerful on the grounds that Arlene or some outer material might be introduced to him, which is not available to other FHs. If I am left chapterless for a few more months I will start to come up with different stories regarding Luslec modifications
We do have one hint (not proof) regarding his body's potential modification origin: it is his diagonal connection-like margin in his head, and different eye colors. Furthermore, he has a slacker, lazy personality so it is highly doubtful if he really get his level by training or anything. This still never confirms anything solely body modification or augmentation origin though. We will see.

I will be extremely disappointed with Mirchea if he doesn't have anything worthy hax outside of spells. Well, I have heard he has black hook or sth as per blogs. Spells seems to be the peak ability for a towerborn. I would even rate spells high as that if JH were a spell user, he would even defeat guys like Robadon who are h2h experts. The reason why Karaka(armour) and White(the ability to devour souls) have gain their confidence to fight stronger opponents and strength respectively are through the spells.

 

[Demonspeed]

I will be extremely disappointed with Mirchea if he doesn't have anything worthy hax outside of spells. Well, I have heard he has black hook or sth as per blogs. Spells seems to be the peak ability for a towerborn. I would even rate spells high as that if JH were a spell user, he would even defeat guys like Robadon who are h2h experts. The reason why Karaka(armour) and White(the ability to devour souls) have gain their confidence to fight stronger opponents and strength respectively are through the spells.

No, it's subjective. Arlen for example is a Spell expert and she wasn't the absolute strongest or anything.

Fisherman Luslec is probably not a thing anymore.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

No, it's subjective. Arlen for example is a Spell expert and she wasn't the absolute strongest or anything.

Fisherman Luslec is probably not a thing anymore.

I was talking from towerborn perspective. To irregulars, spells aren't everything but to towerborns spells might give them biggest edge like for instance Karaka as the armour has immortality spell.

 

[kkck]

Hard to say. I'd say luslec simply wasn't considered here considering how much of a monster he is.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I was talking from towerborn perspective. To irregulars, spells aren't everything but to towerborns spells might give them biggest edge like for instance Karaka as the armour has immortality spell.

I don’t think it’s the armor that makes Karaka immortal, it’s Zahard’s blood just like Wangnang.

 

[kkck]

If you get really technical about it karaka fights remotely using his armor as a mostly empty vessel. It's a bit weird to refer to this as immortality. It'd be interesting to see how his immortality would function, if at all, if he were to be physically present during combat. Then again I suppose there's a possibility that it's only karaka's heart that's not at the armor.

 

[arrowofsky]

If you get really technical about it karaka fights remotely using his armor as a mostly empty vessel. It's a bit weird to refer to this as immortality. It'd be interesting to see how his immortality would function, if at all, if he were to be physically present during combat. Then again I suppose there's a possibility that it's only karaka's heart that's not at the armor.

I just thought it as the same of Dumas, where you can do hell with the armor but it will come back (unless like how Dumas lost his arms), but when Koon AA stopped his heart, armor just disfunctioned immediately and they entered the heart chamber. The thing with Karaka is that, even though we never really see an improvement in his abilities, Ha Jinsung stated once in their first encounter on how Baam is even higher in development speed and potential, while also admitting less-than-(the MC)-Baam development speed. So Karaka may really improve, but I rather expect a vast improvement from White. Him incorporating hell amount of power from souls, maybe the dead ones from the Po Bidau ship at the last chapter, and igniting them at 0.1 seconds kind of cool.

I will be extremely disappointed with Mirchea if he doesn't have anything worthy hax outside of spells. Well, I have heard he has black hook or sth as per blogs. Spells seems to be the peak ability for a towerborn. I would even rate spells high as that if JH were a spell user, he would even defeat guys like Robadon who are h2h experts. The reason why Karaka(armour) and White(the ability to devour souls) have gain their confidence to fight stronger opponents and strength respectively are through the spells.

I second this precisely! Moreover, I still expect him that he can both play the Scout AND Fisherman, in both flashbacks and the Urek fight, albeit unsuccessfully, he did enter CQC and seemed comfortable. Definitely more fisherman than Baam, Gustang, or Traumerei. I also believe on hook, like how he would angle it and fish others, but probably retcon.