Question How y'all view this statement?

[Anne isn't a TT]

I am really surprised people have this much expectations from Mirchea not that I don't understand them. But they really need to remember that every hyped/strong character has got a W or SIU made them look good in their first fight in TOG.

Even L taker Yama got a W in his first fight, both Karaka and Yuri were shown kinda equal in their first fight. JH, kallavan, tiara, Enkidu. The list goes on and on. Its a fact that Mirchea is a slayer too and is from that faction, FUG.

UM was just made the scape goat for Mirchea and so was Gussy for Adori. And how was Mirchea presented afterwards, we all know be it in flashback or later chapters. So, unless Mirchea gets 2 or more impressive fights, I would really hold on hyping him that much.

 

[Lonatian]

I am really surprised people have this much expectations from Mirchea not that I don't understand them. But they really need to remember that every hyped/strong character has got a W or SIU made them look good in their first fight in TOG.

Even L taker Yama got a W in his first fight, both Karaka and Yuri were shown kinda equal in their first fight. JH, kallavan, tiara, Enkidu. The list goes on and on. Its a fact that Mirchea is a slayer too and is from that faction, FUG.

UM was just made the scape goat for Mirchea and so was Gussy for Adori. And how was Mirchea presented afterwards, we all know be it in flashback or later chapters. So, unless Mirchea gets 2 or more impressive fights, I would really hold on hyping him that much.

I see people have high expectations for Luslec after the fight with Urek.
But I see two problems with Urek in that fight. One is that Urek limited his power (based on %) and two is that he lacks seriousness.
He doesn't make people like Luslec afraid of him.
If that were Traumerei, Luslec would never ask for a one-on-one fight.

 

[Demonspeed]

I see people have high expectations for Luslec after the fight with Urek.
But I see two problems with Urek in that fight. One is that Urek limited his power (based on %) and two is that he lacks seriousness.
He doesn't make people like Luslec afraid of him.
If that were Traumerei, Luslec would never ask for a one-on-one fight.

Nah, he would. FUG members are fearless like that and he is their boss. SIU would never allow it though. Urek is very convenient for the plot because he is an overpowered clown.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I see people have high expectations for Luslec after the fight with Urek.
But I see two problems with Urek in that fight. One is that Urek limited his power (based on %) and two is that he lacks seriousness.
He doesn't make people like Luslec afraid of him.
If that were Traumerei, Luslec would never ask for a one-on-one fight.

In the end, what happened, mirchea ran away commenting that he hopes he never sees him again. But people are happy that he thrashed UM's plans and came out clean. I can tell U this, if Mirchea and UM were to fight off second time, he would be humiliated.

The power of 1st fight of a hyped/strong character is underrated. I can tell U this, if Yurin were to face her first fight with even an administrator, SIU will make her look good similar with Mirchea but will get thrashed in 2nd duel.

I have said this multiple times but spells are the reason why Mirchea was able to somewhat fight. It's a counter to UM's fighting style but the difference in power is so vast that it only scratches him off like an annoying mosquito.

 

[Demonspeed]

In the end, what happened, mirchea ran away commenting that he hopes he never sees him again. But people are happy that he thrashed UM's plans and came out clean. I can tell U this, if Mirchea and UM were to fight off second time, he would be humiliated.

The power of 1st fight of a hyped/strong character is underrated. I can tell U this, if Yurin were to face her first fight with even an administrator, SIU will make her look good similar with Mirchea but will get thrashed in 2nd duel.

I have said this multiple times but spells are the reason why Mirchea was able to somewhat fight. It's a counter to UM's fighting style but the difference in power is so vast that it only scratches him off like an annoying mosquito.

Well, he is a Sorcerer so of course he is going to fight with Spells. I wouldn't say that they counter Urek since he was able to break through them. He is more inconvenienced because he relies on pure strength though. If Urek wasn't holding back they wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Well, he is a Sorcerer so of course he is going to fight with Spells. I wouldn't say that they counter Urek since he was able to break through them. He is more inconvenienced because he relies on pure strength though. If Urek wasn't holding back they wouldn't have been an issue.

Do U believe UM hold back when he was trapped for the 2nd and 3rd time? If his punch can destroy bright charge, would he have called out Mirchea instead of just breaking away that bright charge? Would absolute beings care about the last struggle put forward by trifles? Why would he stop and not just break everything apart? There was no reason to hold back at that point.

 

[Lonatian]

Nah, he would. FUG members are fearless like that and he is their boss. SIU would never allow it though. Urek is very convenient for the plot because he is an overpowered clown.

I admit FUG's "courage".
I think most FUG members didn't see the power of Zahard and 10 FHs (or even their faces).

But some people have enough experience to understand. For example, Ha Jinsung was ready to die when talking to Traumerei. But he didn't do this to Urek.
Luslec is a smart enough man (at least I hope so). Luslec would not risk his life in battle against an extremely powerful being he clearly knows like Traumerei.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Why would he stop and not just break everything apart? There was no reason to hold back at that point.

Actually there was, it's the same reason why Urek stood idly by as he watched the administrator fragment latch onto Baam even though he coulda erased it on the spot to prevent another possible Hell Joe.


Same reason he went so easy on A ranker level Baam but immediately went haywire on the other A rankers even killing some in the process.



Same reason why he took so long to reach the battlefield even though he could blitz there immediately or use spatial distortion.


Same reason why he only chose to blitz Luslec once and specifically do so without harming him in the process.


Same reason why didn't break bright charge the first two times even though he easily could shatter that space the third time.


Urek is laid back, very damn passive and fights like a clown and that allows for SIU to move the plot or allow certain things escape his grasp because Urek can't kill them yet as they serve a future purpose in the story.


It's the dilemma of having a god Ievel character in a field of children, they have to be slow, extremely laid back or passive and use belpw the barest minimum amount of power required else they'd realistically destroy everything immediately cut the arc short.


SIU did the same thing with Adult Data Zahard on the hidden floor, he just let things happen.



In the end this is a story I guess, power scaling takes a seat sometimes in certain situations.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I admit FUG's "courage".

That's not courage lol. That's stupidity. People with courage are for instance, Khun who had enough courage to negotiate with FLs knowing they won't kill him because he is Night's advisor(friend), same with JH.

But some people have enough experience to understand. For example, Ha Jinsung was ready to die when talking to Traumerei. But he didn't do this to Urek.

People like JH, Kirin, Yas, White knows their strength since they belong to GFs. It's also because FLs are weirdos, they will kill one if they feel like it. Didn't Rei say this to Enkidu before he met other GFLs? UM isn't like that. He doesn't kill unless he is pissed.

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Actually there was, it's the same reason why Urek stood idly by as he watched the administrator fragment latch onto Baam even though he coulda erased it on the spot to prevent another possible Hell Joe.


Same reason he went so easy on A ranker level Baam but immediately went haywire on the other A rankers even killing some in the process.



Same reason why he took so long to reach the battlefield even though he could blitz there immediately or use spatial distortion.


Same reason why he only chose to blitz Luslec once and specifically do so without harming him in the process.


Same reason why didn't break bright charge the first two times even though he easily could shatter that space the third time.


Urek is laid back, very damn passive and fights like a clown and that allows for SIU to move the plot or allow certain things escape his grasp because Urek can't kill them yet as they serve a future purpose in the story.


It's the dilemma of having a god Ievel character in a field of children, they have to be slow, extremely laid back or passive and use belpw the barest minimum amount of power required else they'd realistically destroy everything immediately cut the arc short.


SIU did the same thing with Adult Data Zahard on the hidden floor, he just let things happen.



In the end this is a story I guess, power scaling takes a seat sometimes in certain situations.

One must remember both the spells and abilities related to space manipulation has been hyped. Esp related to space with Data E even commenting it's the power of god's, the power everyone desire. Yas commenting only handful of HRs can use teleportation and that's just basic space manipulation. IIRC, Ryun even said spells on 13 MS can't be destroyed even by administrator. With both combined I don't think he can break bright charge instantly apart even if he doesn't hold back with pure strength. He will break it but by the time he breaks it, Mirchea will slip away. That's what happened and will happen.

 

[Lonatian]

That's not courage lol. That's stupidity. People with courage are for instance, Khun who had enough courage to negotiate with FLs knowing they won't kill him because he is Night's advisor(friend), same with JH.

That is the reason I put that word in " "
Khel Hellam also planned to assassinate Zahard in his bed.
Regardless of whether it would work or not, it was the stupidest plan I've ever heard.
Didn't anyone at FUG tell him about Zahard's immortality contract?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

One must remember both the spells and abilities related to space manipulation has been hyped. Esp related to space with Data E even commenting it's the power of god's, the power everyone desire. Yas commenting only handful of HRs can use teleportation and that's just basic space manipulation. IIRC, Ryun even said spells on 13 MS can't be destroyed even by administrator. With both combined I don't think he can break bright charge instantly apart even if he doesn't hold back with pure strength. He will break it but by the time he breaks it, Mirchea will slip away. That's what happened and will happen.

Not likely, bright charge isn't anywhere near as complex as Disconnection in nature which is the concept of absolute severance and destroyed bright charge immediately.

and compared to the manifestation of absolute destruction incarnate it's also less complex and Urek defeated these two things very easily.


Bright charge doesn't scale anywhere close to or above Traumerei and Blossom in this area of complexity.



Also the 13 MS being so great not even an Administrator could destroy them is unfounded propaganda hype cause nobody in the tower can scale an Admins strength in the first place, not even close.


I mean people in the tower even thought Urek was on the same level as Phanta at some point.




But didn't we also get hints that Gustang already beat the greatest spell user Arlene in the past during his interaction with Baam?

 

[arrowofsky]

People like JH, Kirin, Yas, White knows their strength since they belong to GFs. It's also because FLs are weirdos, they will kill one if they feel like it. Didn't Rei say this to Enkidu before he met other GFLs? UM isn't like that. He doesn't kill unless he is pissed.

Luslec is from the Grace family, and way older and cognizant of FHs than the people above, and definitely know what he can and can't do. Especially after he became Grace Mirchea Luslec.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

That is the reason I put that word in " "
Khel Hellam also planned to assassinate Zahard in his bed.
Regardless of whether it would work or not, it was the stupidest plan I've ever heard.
Didn't anyone at FUG tell him about Zahard's immortality contract?

If phanta never killed the king's HRs, I believe the team would have been killed before they even made the plan lmao.

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Not likely, bright charge isn't anywhere near as complex as Disconnection in nature which is the concept of absolute severance and destroyed bright charge immediately.

and compared to the manifestation of absolute destruction incarnate it's also less complex and Urek defeated these two things very easily.


Bright charge doesn't scale anywhere close to or above Traumerei and Blossom in this area of complexity.



Also the 13 MS being so great not even an Administrator could destroy them is unfounded propaganda hype cause nobody in the tower can scale an Admins strength in the first place, not even close.


I mean people in the tower even thought Urek was on the same level as Phanta at some point.




But didn't we also get hints that Gustang already beat the greatest spell user Arlene in the past during his interaction with Baam?

Well I believe it's the match up. Like I said before one doesn't fight sorcerers hand to hand. Anything related to space, I will rate them higher in complexity because of what's been shown in TOG. Rupture is just Rei's shinsu quality. That's it. Similar to black shinsu. Even SBHS, the most OP technique is nothing but making one space own, related to space.

As for whether Gussy defeated Arlene, I heavily doubt it after seeing his performance against Rei.

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Luslec is from the Grace family, and way older and cognizant of FHs than the people above, and definitely know what he can and can't do. Especially after he became Grace Mirchea Luslec.

Well it's not like he is DD. He just adopted the name like with Night and LPB family. He was reckless before he even became the head of FUG.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Well I believe it's the match up. Like I said before one doesn't fight sorcerers hand to hand. Anything related to space, I will rate them higher in complexity because of what's been shown in TOG. Rupture is just Rei's shinsu quality. That's it. Similar to black shinsu. Even SBHS, the most OP technique is nothing but making one space own, related to space.

Nah, Rei's shinsoo quality is his control over anima as a Necromancer, all the deals with souls is his domain.

Disconnection was something he himself created down the line and manifested into reality, it's something entirely different.


We saw the flashback with Gustang where he was discussing the theory of it or something like that.


And rupture scales above space by a large margin as shown, it's a conceptual attack.


The only thing we see defeat it is absolute destruction and Urek's fist, it's pure power against power I guess.

As for whether Gussy defeated Arlene, I heavily doubt it after seeing his performance against Rei.

Ehn, I think this one just originates on people who thought Arlene was some Zahard level monster or at least a top tier FH when nothing ever indicated her to be so in the first place.


it's all too possible she's below Gustang and we've already got hints she lost to him also.

 

[arrowofsky]

Well it's not like he is DD. He just adopted the name like with Night and LPB family. He was reckless before he even became the head of FUG.

He knows his limits, not that this would require to be a descendant, he took Ls etc. and experienced.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I am really surprised people have this much expectations from Mirchea not that I don't understand them. But they really need to remember that every hyped/strong character has got a W or SIU made them look good in their first fight in TOG.

Even L taker Yama got a W in his first fight, both Karaka and Yuri were shown kinda equal in their first fight. JH, kallavan, tiara, Enkidu. The list goes on and on. Its a fact that Mirchea is a slayer too and is from that faction, FUG.

UM was just made the scape goat for Mirchea and so was Gussy for Adori. And how was Mirchea presented afterwards, we all know be it in flashback or later chapters. So, unless Mirchea gets 2 or more impressive fights, I would really hold on hyping him that much.

I understand your point, and for sure he will take L's later down the story, but Luslec has that aura that many don't have in the series. He has that Eduan confidence, and he went 3 for 3 against UM. You have to be honest, no matter what, that's a big W in his cap. I love that he schemes, and even against the strongest person in the tower, he had the confidence to step up to his Jordans. That's admirable. That's a character to get behind. Also, if you think about it, Luslec had the biggest wins for the arc.