Discussion Human Mirajane runs the gauntlet

[grey matter]

Since when has Erza's fodder armor been impressive?

Skullion saved Kiria from getting rekt.

The BSS punch is all that's needed. Madmole defense and Skullion's durability >>> Kiria's. Roaring Thunder is not an impressive move anymore. Itxs about as impressive as Gajeel's secret art. Hell no is Laxus that strong. His fodder attacks aren't as powerful as you're hyping to be lol. You act like he dropped the nuke he did against Ajeel on Kiria lmao. Two weak attacks from a Laxus who didn't even feel the need to dodge. Kiria is not on an S-Class FT wizard level. Her feats are crud as literally every feat she has is against an FT character not fighting at their optimal level. Oh and destroying her sword is something Minerva did and Minerva was near Erza's level lmao.

Woah contesting a playing around Erza. Yeah, we know what happens as soon as Erza stops fudging around lmao. Kiria's fight with Erza is the same as Erza vs Kagura. Erza toyed with her opponent got one upped and then came back wrecked as soon as she stopped playing.

I will just put this out here:

This is going to be my last post on the matter, if this can't convince you, its not likely anything else I say will.

Fam she tanked it, she gets up and is ready to fight:

Spoiler

Kiria tanked a benizakura sword attack. Mira isn't doing jack to her in Satan Soul, let alone a single Satan Soul usage.

 

[Demon Hunter]

she stops at 2.

she might be able to take down Lucy but her physical attacks won't work on Juvia.

unless you give her energy attacks, I don't see her overcoming Juvia.

 

[Jko]

I will just put this out here:

Kiria tanked a benizakura sword attack. Mira isn't doing jack to her in Satan Soul, let alone a single Satan Soul usage.

She never tanked Benzisakura. Erza also went into her fodder armors and beat the crap out of her lol. Skullion saved her from the beating and Kiria already knows she ain't crap to Erza lmao. Saying Kiria wasn't beat by that point is like saying Kagura wasn't beat when Erza rekt as soon as she got serious.

Nah, she is. BSS has shown to hit above an FDK punch. She is not tanking a strike like that to the face.

 

[grey matter]

BSS has shown to hit at the same level as an FDK punch.

You've prompted me to use my very first GIF in this forum lmao

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She never tanked Benzisakura.

She literally did in that panel, Erza used the Dragon slaying sword against Kiria

 

[Jko]

You've prompted me to use my very first GIF in this forum lmao

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She literally did in that panel, Erza used the Dragon slaying sword against Kiria

Dunno why you're blowing your brains out when we have feats to say she hits above a Base Natsu's FDK punch.

Read it again. "Dragon Slayer Sword: Belserion" is not Benzisakura lmao.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Since when has Erza's fodder armor been impressive?

I'm not saying the armour is impressive, its the fact that Laxus broke it with absolute ease.

An unnamed attack that had to break through anti-lightning armour was still on the level of making Erza scream with pain. Kyria took at least two attacks like that before Laxus brought out Roaring Thunder.

Skullion saved Kiria from getting rekt.

Would she have lost to Erza? Probably since she can't put her down without Hypnohax. But rekt? Nah fam, Kyria took that attack and was ready to go once she was on her feet. Just look at what I said before in @grey matter's post.

It might not have been Benizurka but its still a hit from a flame amped Belserion

Also it doesn't matter anyway, human Mira is nowhere near as powerful as Erza, even if she wasn't going all out.

The BSS punch is all that's needed.

It isn't at all. Kyria was only KO'd after being hit by Roaring Thunder and two unnamed attacks from Laxus. Human Mira doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Laxus and BSS punch is nowhere near Roaring Thunder.

How is human Mira landing hits on her anyway? Kyria has attacks that are ranged. Even if Kyria decides to stay in CQC, how is Mira not getting cut to crap?

Madmole defense and Skullion's durability >>> Kiria's.

Its a good thing Kyria is only receiving hits from Mira.

Also Skullion's isn't that much better than Kyria's, if we're to buy Belserion's hype it should be > DeS Long Sword.

Roaring Thunder is not an impressive move anymore.

Why not?

Its easily one of the strongest attacks we've seen in the arc so far, the only attacks that might surpass it are FDK Demo Fist, FDK Purgatory and Skullion's Black Ash. Even then those are maybes.

Secret Arts are still good. Sting's went from getting blocked by base Natsu in GMG to blowing Larcade meters away in Alvarez. Laxus busted out his Secret Art against Jura (a top tier) during GMG and again against Kyria when he got tired of her. Gajeel used his against Natsu after claiming he was going to murder him lol. Natsu brought his Secret Art out against a fucking Dragon God.

Secret Arts are nowhere near as power crept as your trying to make them seem.

Itxs about as impressive as Gajeel's secret art.

Except obviously not. Gajeel's Secret Art was blocked by base Natsu whereas Roaring Thunder KO'd Kyria.

Hell no is Laxus that strong. His fodder attacks aren't as powerful as you're hyping to be lol.

His fodder attacks are stronger than Erza's armour that is specifically made to counter lightning attacks.

Human Mira has absolutely nothing on that and trying to accuse me of overhyping Laxus doesn't change that.

You act like he dropped the nuke he did against Ajeel on Kiria lmao.

AoE is not power, Laxus' named Secret Art is either just as strong as or is stronger than the nuke he dropped on Ajeel.

Two weak attacks from a Laxus who didn't even feel the need to dodge.

"Two weak attacks from Laxus" >> anything that human Mira has.

And him not wanting to dodge Kyria means nothing, stop trying to swap the topic of conversation to Kyria's level of offence.

How about trying to provide me with some arguments as to how human Mira is even touching Kyria rather than low-balling Laxus and Kyria?

Kiria is not on an S-Class FT wizard level.

And Human Mira is?

Wait, let me answer that for you: no, she isn't.

Her feats are crap as literally every feat she has is against an FT character not fighting at their optimal level.

LMFAO

Well its a good thing she's up against HUMAN MIRAJANE.

Woah contesting a playing around Erza. Yeah, we know what happens as soon as Erza stops fudging around. lmao. Kiria's fight with Erza is the same as Erza vs Kagura. Erza toyed with her opponent got one upped and then came back wrecked as soon as she stopped playing.

Playing around Erza >>> Human Mira (with one use of BSS).

I get that you like to wank Mira but this has been laughable. Be careful you don't run out of lube before you finish your response.

 

[Jko]

I'm not saying the armour is impressive, its the fact that Laxus broke it with absolute ease.

An unnamed attack that had to break through anti-lightning armour was still on the level of making Erza scream with pain. Kyria took at least two attacks like that before Laxus brought out Roaring Thunder.

Would she have lost to Erza? Probably since she can't put her down without Hypnohax. But rekt? Nah fam, Kyria took that attack and was ready to go once she was on her feet. Just look at what I said before in @grey matter's post.

It might not have been Benizurka but its still a hit from a flame amped Belserion

Also it doesn't matter anyway, human Mira is nowhere near as powerful as Erza, even if she wasn't going all out.

It isn't at all. Kyria was only KO'd after being hit by Roaring Thunder and two unnamed attacks from Laxus. Human Mira doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Laxus and BSS punch is nowhere near Roaring Thunder.

How is human Mira landing hits on her anyway? Kyria has attacks that are ranged. Even if Kyria decides to stay in CQC, how is Mira not getting cut to crap?

Its a good thing Kyria is only receiving hits from Mira.

Also Skullion's isn't that much better than Kyria's, if we're to buy Belserion's hype it should be > DeS Long Sword.

Why not?

Its easily one of the strongest attacks we've seen in the arc so far, the only attacks that might surpass it are FDK Demo Fist, FDK Purgatory and Skullion's Black Ash. Even then those are maybes.

Secret Arts are still good. Sting's went from getting blocked by base Natsu in GMG to blowing Larcade meters away in Alvarez. Laxus busted out his Secret Art against Jura (a top tier) during GMG and again against Kyria when he got tired of her. Gajeel used his against Natsu after claiming he was going to murder him lol. Natsu brought his Secret Art out against a fucking Dragon God.

Secret Arts are nowhere near as power crept as your trying to make them seem.

Except obviously not. Gajeel's Secret Art was blocked by base Natsu whereas Roaring Thunder KO'd Kyria.

His fodder attacks are stronger than Erza's armour that is specifically made to counter lightning attacks.

Human Mira has absolutely nothing on that and trying to accuse me of overhyping Laxus doesn't change that.

AoE is not power, Laxus' named Secret Art is either just as strong as or is stronger than the nuke he dropped on Ajeel.

"Two weak attacks from Laxus" >> anything that human Mira has.

And him not wanting to dodge Kyria means nothing, stop trying to swap the topic of conversation to Kyria's level of offence.

How about trying to provide me with some arguments as to how human Mira is even touching Kyria rather than low-balling Laxus and Kyria?

And Human Mira is?

Wait, let me answer that for you: no, she isn't.

LMFAO

Well its a good thing she's up against HUMAN MIRAJANE.

Playing around Erza >>> Human Mira (with one use of BSS).

Yeah and then his roar is easily tanked with no armor.

I dunno where you are getting Erza in lightning empress was ever hurt more than Kiria? Laxus also upped the anti as the opponent he was facing was far stronger. He even admitted to RL being the only way to down Erza.

Kiria was about as ready to rumble as crispy fried Madmole lol. Kiria was done for and Skullion knew that just like he knew Madmole was going to be done in after another hit and that's why they dipped. Kiria almost got oneshotted by Flame Empress lmfao.

And what is the Belserion sword? Just a rando sword that was enchanted by Wendy which Erza didn't even use in the Laxus fight lol.

Are we going to forget all the times toying around Erza got straight tossed by opponents far weaker than herself? Mira has taken damage from Jacob and Seilah while in Base. 1 who oneshotted her out of Sitri and the other who overpowered Base Natsu physically.

They are power crept on. Literally none of the Dragon Slayer use them as their best stuff anymore. They've been used as fodder level attacks lmao.

Sure AoE means nothing but the level of attack was clearly above the secret art he used against Kiria. His secret art only took out Jura as well lol and has not been used as anything significant from him. He didn't even use his secret art on Erza which just shows he it's not anything significant in his arsenal.

Two weak attacks from Laxus fighting an opponent who couldn't scratch him lol. Maybe you should stop acting like Laxus is gonna dish out some credible power for people who can't even harm him.

She only has one AoE attack and that is not enough to down Mira. Kiria is also a CQC fighter so she would definitely try to go H2H with Mira.

How is this changing the subject? Se are talking about Kiria as a whole and her weak ass offensive ability is getting called out. Laxus didn't dodge her weak ass attacks bcs he didn't clearly need to. He however dodged Erza's attacks bcs they can actually damage him.

Yeah she is lol. You know why? Bcs she has actually taken attacks from S-Class FT tier opponents while in Base. DE have been getting straight fodderize w/o DF. Only respectable one is Skullion who's only a match to BSS and Skullion is far stronger than Kiria. Madmole is also okay bcs his defense ain't crap, but his offense is garbo. Literally basic Natsu punches are the equivalent to his offence. I honestly wouldn't be surprised that Kiriaxs offense isn't he same seeing as Kiria only fought Natsu bcs he has no fire and Natsu was easily able to stop her attack with his bare hands.

Human Mira took hits from people above her while playing around Erza gets beat up by people below her lol. So no, a human Mira is better than a playing around Erza. Why? Bcs Mira doesn't play around and get whooped by people far below her. Minerva, Kagura, Ikagura and other fights shows that Erza be toying with her food too much and gets trashed on bcs of it. Mira on the other hand showed her Base could go H2H with a S12 and take hits from people who can oneshot her strongest soul.

How am I lowballing Laxus? You think every hit he is dishing out can't be scaled back? Lol, his lightning Dragon's jaw he used on Hades was more impressive than any attack he used on Kiria. So yeah, Mira can dish out Laxus fodder level attacks. She was hurting Jacob who was tanking Natsu's Base Arsenal and actually forced Natsu into using an overpowered form. Seeing as BSS is capable of hurting Madmole more than an FDK attack then I see no reason that one full on BSS attack isn't defeating Kiria.

Mira was capable of fighting as good as any other high tier FT member while not fight at optimal levels.

I get that you like to wank Mira but this has been laughable. Be careful you don't run out of lube before you finish your response.

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Also that was my last response.

 

[Ramen]

I get that you like to wank Mira but this has been laughable. Be careful you don't run out of lube before you finish your response.

 

[Kouichi]

Only thing I see is that she doesnt pass at Lucy. Not unless she can master Sleep Magic.

 

[grey matter]

Dunno why you're blowing your brains out when we have feats to say she hits above a Base Natsu's FDK punch.

He needs to be in FDKM to use FDK punch. He doesn't need to scream FDKM every time he uses it lol. It happens only initially because it was new back them.

Read it again. "Dragon Slayer Sword: Belserion" is not Benzisakura lmao.

Oh well, you're right lol. Got confused because both begin with 'B' lmao
Doesn't change the fact that Erza was completely serious and used a sword with Dragon slaying magic attached to it. Mira in Satan Soul isn't hitting harder than that, the Satan Soul couldn't defeat two fodders lol

 

[Seven777]

Stops at Juvia

 

[Jko]

He needs to be in FDKM to use FDK punch. He doesn't need to scream FDKM every time he uses it lol. It happens only initially because it was new back them.


Oh well, you're right lol. Got confused because both begin with 'B' lmao
Doesn't change the fact that Erza was completely serious and used a sword with Dragon slaying magic attached to it. Mira in Satan Soul isn't hitting harder than that, the Satan Soul couldn't defeat two fodders lol

No, FDKM is a mode. FDK is a spell and ge was shown to use it in Base w/o the mode first. He doesn't go FDKM when using the spell as he shown he can use it in Base. FDKM >>> Base FDK which is why he went the mode to kill Zeref. The mode gives an increase to his FDK spells.

It was pretty confusing lol.

The same Satan Soul stalemated Skullion who is far stronger than Kiria lol. So if J/H are fodder what does that make Skullion (and by extension Kiria) who couldn't force Mira out of BSS? The same BSS that could punch on a level above Base Natsu's Demo-fist. Erza wasn't completely serious otherwise she would have dominated. She also beat Kiria in a fodder armor lol. I don't see Flame Empress ever being on the level of a FDK Demo-fist and I am definitely not seeing Kiria survive a Demo-fist to the face. One full on BSS punch and Kiria's done.

 

[grey matter]

No, FDKM is a mode. FDK is a spell and ge was shown to use it in Base w/o the mode first. He doesn't go FDKM when using the spell as he shown he can use it in Base. FDKM >>> Base FDK which is why he went the mode to kill Zeref. The mode gives an increase to his FDK spells.

It was pretty confusing lol.

The same Satan Soul stalemated Skullion who is far stronger than Kiria lol. So if J/H are fodder what does that make Skullion (and by extension Kiria) who couldn't force Mira out of BSS? The same BSS that could punch on a level above Base Natsu's Demo-fist. Erza wasn't completely serious otherwise she would have dominated. She also beat Kiria in a fodder armor lol. I don't see Flame Empress ever being on the level of a FDK Demo-fist and I am definitely not seeing Kiria survive a Demo-fist to the face. One full on BSS punch and Kiria's done.

You mean, during first encounter? He used Igneel flames then. Of course he mentioned FDKM, because it was during the initial stages. (2nd time using FDKM in the series IIRC). Natsu used to say LFD in the beginning as well (because it was new! So Mashima wanted people to notice), but later on he stopped saying it later on even when he's clearly using those modes.

Maybe she's using it because Alegria depletes her in a minute? Skullion just needs to disperse to ash that time lol. It's not like Sullion couldn't 'force' Mira out of Satan Soul, it's more like Mira couldn't move out, for some reason. Mira explicitly said that she didn't know if she could've won against him.
You say Skullion couldn't force Mira out of Satan, while my point is that she's exhausted and didn't know if she could win. In which case, "couldn't force out of Satan Soul" makes little sense.
Ehh, this is why I hate off-screen fights. It doesn't explain jack and creates more questions than answers. Mira says she doesn't know if she could've won, is visibly exhausted; while simultaneously didn't even go to Sitri.
The logical explanation is that Mashima couldn't care less about the fight, or whether it made sense or not (hence off screen fight). It's the same shit of Mira vs Jacob, Elfman vs Madmole and Elfman vs Ajeel. Pretty nonsensical, "but it happened"............off-screen.

 

[Aurelius]

The logical explanation is that Mashima couldn't care less about the fight

This>>>>>>. Especially with Mira, Mashima doesn't put much effort. We're just repeatedly reminded that she's powerful, even though from the beginning to now, she hasn't done anything particularly impressive, besides defeating Seilah. Don't really acknowledge Jacob, that was a joke and Mashima just wanted to wrap it up

 

[Zelefomavis]

This>>>>>>. Especially with Mira, Mashima doesn't put much effort. We're just repeatedly reminded that she's powerful, even though from the beginning to now, she hasn't done anything particularly impressive, besides defeating Seilah. Don't really acknowledge Jacob, that was a joke and Mashima just wanted to wrap it up

Definetely. The way he treats Mirajane is very weird, on the one hand he hypes her all the time, on the other he does not give her good on screen fight (at least against powerful foes).

Great, she somehow stalemated Skullion, but could we please know how since whenever we saw the fight it was pretty one-sided.

I find it quite ludicrous that some think human Mirajane is in the same ballpark as mid tier fighter with magic, yes give her basic Satan soul and she can clearly defeat some on the list but Human Mira ?? Come on that Mira wank is off the charts!

It's like it's not even Mira lovers but trolls trying to get her to be hated. (Kinda workin though )

 

[Crimson Ice]

I'm not. You guys just underrate the hell out of her. You think a H12 can compare to a S12 somehow

Yes, I think an H12 can beat an S12 when their main magic restricted. Mira is wildly wanked here.

 

[grey matter]

This>>>>>>. Especially with Mira, Mashima doesn't put much effort. We're just repeatedly reminded that she's powerful, even though from the beginning to now, she hasn't done anything particularly impressive, besides defeating Seilah. Don't really acknowledge Jacob, that was a joke and Mashima just wanted to wrap it up

Couldn't have put it better.

The only reason she's constantly hyped up, especially in an 'in your face' style, by Mashima, is because he doesn't intent on giving her any real fight. He couldn't care less. Without this, Mira doesn't really have any credibility.

Definetely. The way he treats Mirajane is very weird, on the one hand he hypes her all the time, on the other he does not give her good on screen fight (at least against powerful foes).

Great, she somehow stalemated Skullion, but could we please know how since whenever we saw the fight it was pretty one-sided.

I find it quite ludicrous that some think human Mirajane is in the same ballpark as mid tier fighter with magic, yes give her basic Satan soul and she can clearly defeat some on the list but Human Mira ?? Come on that Mira wank is off the charts!

It's like it's not even Mira lovers but trolls trying to get her to be hated. (Kinda workin though )

He hypes her all the time, because she doesn't have any on screen credibility (and because he doesn't want Mira fans running after him lol). Every arc, she ends up being massively upstaged by Erza, who's her 'rival' (LOL). I mean, her last 'big' on-screen fight was against Sayla, who one shotted her Sitri form when she got serious. (And Erza went on to beat buffed Kyouka, where normal Kyouka is > Sayla)

IKR?
How did Mira damage Skullion through his intang, did Skullion fail to connect a single ash spell in the fight? If yes, how did Mira get injuries, when we know that Skullion's magic turn anything it touches to ash and not directly hurt them?
Why did Mira not go beyond Satan soul; when she was injured, exhausted, and doubtful about whether she could win?
All this points to, is that Mashima gave ZERO fucks about the fight. He just wanted to give Mira and Elfman 'something' to show us that they're still relevant, without putting much thought or effort into it.

Absolutely agreed. I guess she can beat Juvia if we're being generous, and maybe Lucy. She's not doing jack to anyone else in the list in pure human form.

Mira wank is absolutely ridiculous lol. I'm someone who didn't care about Mira; didin't like or dislike her, she was just there (used to like her back in the days, when Hiro gave a fuck about her). But I'm really starting to dislike her now lol, because of all this wank
Also, n0 dude. He's not 'trolling'. He absolutely likes Mira lol

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Yes, I think an H12 can beat an S12 when their main magic restricted. Mira is wildly wanked here.

Jacob didn't even use his stealth in manga, and fought blind lol.
I mean, Mashima didn't make him use - clap hax, stealth and made him cover his eyes. He's basically fodder at that point.

 

[Axiomus]

Still trying to wrap my head around how Mirajane oneshots 3 different people with one punch against the Raijinshuu.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Couldn't have put it better.

The only reason she's constantly hyped up, especially in an 'in your face' style, by Mashima, is because he doesn't intent on giving her any real fight. He couldn't care less. Without this, Mira doesn't really have any credibility.


He hypes her all the time, because she doesn't have any on screen credibility (and because he doesn't want Mira fans running after him lol). Every arc, she ends up being massively upstaged by Erza, who's her 'rival' (LOL). I mean, her last 'big' on-screen fight was against Sayla, who one shotted her Sitri form when she got serious. (And Erza went on to beat buffed Kyouka, where normal Kyouka is > Sayla)

IKR?
How did Mira damage Skullion through his intang, did Skullion fail to connect a single ash spell in the fight? If yes, how did Mira get injuries, when we know that Skullion's magic turn anything it touches to ash and not directly hurt them?
Why did Mira not go beyond Satan soul; when she was injured, exhausted, and doubtful about whether she could win?
All this points to, is that Mashima gave ZERO fucks about the fight. He just wanted to give Mira and Elfman 'something' to show us that they're still relevant, without putting much thought or effort into it.

Absolutely agreed. I guess she can beat Juvia if we're being generous, and maybe Lucy. She's not doing jack to anyone else in the list in pure human form.

Mira wank is absolutely ridiculous lol. I'm someone who didn't care about Mira; didin't like or dislike her, she was just there (used to like her back in the days, when Hiro gave a fuck about her). But I'm really starting to dislike her now lol, because of all this wank
Also, n0 dude. He's not 'trolling'. He absolutely likes Mira lol

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Jacob didn't even use his stealth in manga, and fought blind lol.
I mean, Mashima didn't make him use - clap hax, stealth and made him cover his eyes. He's basically fodder at that point.

Yeah, Jacob using none of his special abilities yet Mira gets hype for fighting him. Mira still had to use SS in the end too.

 

[grey matter]

Yeah, Jacob using none of his special abilities yet Mira gets hype for fighting him. Mira still had to use SS in the end too.

Even that was just anime only. We may never know what really happened