Anime Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

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I do think Killua looks childish now, but I think it's an attempt to regularize sizes of characters according to ages as well.
 

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What I meant to say is, if you want a similar panel you redraw the same character. Togashi literally cut pasted and zoomed in the same image, you can tell because the line width changes and it looks slightly blurry. When its so obviously the same thing cut and pasted it bugs me, I think its just an artist hangup of mine as I was told by several artists its something I shouldn't do. It doesn't by any means ruin the arc or manga for me obviously. I just found that to be a "lazy" period of his art style (at least until we got the sketchy chapters, which I don't mind because he fixes and it looks like some of his best art in the volume releases)

I was gonna say your examples of Killua are good for how size. I have to admit I thought they were "kiddy" feeling at first. But I'm used to it now, though I do prefer how Gon and Killua look in NGL over earlier chapters or either anime adaptations.
It's not just on Yourkshin arc, Togashi did this a few times before.

example :


 

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what theyre dubbing it (animax asia)? No way.... I dont like dubs....I prefer it subbed like they did Beelzebub, NnM and others....
BTW, HXH is very popular in my country . I remember the last hxh anime (99' first run) it was in primetime (weird coz most primetime programs in my country are all soap) before in my country. Thats how popular it is and by now 99' is in the morning and still rating big time and it is aired in 2 channels in my country (one cable "Hero channel") and loca(Gma7)l. And I remember all the toys in my school that time all the vendors sell HXH items and I see before HxH manga in tagalog but I cant find any now....
if you ask me the "now"... HXH is still popular in my country, and everyone in our Filipino community site is rejoicing that Animax Asia has HXH 2011. Thats how people are excited here in my country...
English.Actually I'm just presuming that,I'm not sure if they will dub it.Like you say,it could be sub.
To be honest,i didn't know HxH was that popular in Philippine.Guess it's more popular than n my country.

On the side note,we are seriously getting a lot more post compared to last time but it is making it really hard to find my post.=.=
And as the popularity of HxH grow,there will bound to be more disagreement...and trolling...
 

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BTW you were talking about mules before. Just out of curiosity what is that?

Stubborn people?
 
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BTW you were talking about mules before. Just out of curiosity what is that?

Stubborn people?
I believe mules is referring to clone accounts?

But in regards to Gon and Killua's childish appearances, so far the anime has still made them look badass in fight scenes much like Togashi does in the manga. Generally out of fight scenes they look kiddish, in fights however total badasses. I think Togashi does this to show that the actions they are taking is an adult action, not something a kid would do. It's a major contrast with their silly fun side out of combat.
 
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People above me had already commented on character portrayal and designs so I won't touch upon it anymore. What I'm curious about is your counter claim that the 2011 version is not faithful to the manga. How 'bout listing them here so we can shoot it down and embarrass you? Of course, I'm not saying that the 2011 series haven't done hinky stuff but the '99 anime fans tend to rage on subjects that wouldn't affect the manga canon and selectively forget/dismiss the "illogical and inconsistencies" the '99 series did in return.
Anyone with a working eye and a working brain can discern a big difference in the portrayal of the characters. From the character design (disproportionate eyes, fat baby cheeks, head to body ratio) to the damn way Gon makes strange "MMMM!!" sounds in response to Killua's lead; from the soundtrack accompanying Gon's special moments... oh why do I bother.

I never said anything about the '99 series. You must be feeling defensive.

Also, why're you being defensive for another person's sake when several people already commented on how dubious his newsflash is? You can't blame my concern since he happened to register on the site 5 days after you, from the same country w/c interestingly write the same way as you do.
I'm being defensive for some other guy when there is absolutely - absolutely - nothing in his post to suggest he is a hater/fanboy? Open your eyes and moreover, look in the mirror.


Quit being a wet blanket would you?
Gon and Killua are not going to get any older unless Togashi makes a time skip or something. But that won't be for a while.
If you can't get used to the fact that they look young in the Madhouse version then just STOP WATCHING IT. It's not that hard.
I on the other hand and others here on this forum actually ENJOY watching the reboot and while criticism is fine you're not
criticizing you're just bitching. Nobody wants to hear your bitching. Nobody is forcing you to watch the series.
Well yes, but on the other hand...nope. I think i'll continue criticizing the series when it warrants it, thank you very much. Now scram.

I mean seriously does it REALLY matter that they look young? They're 12 for goodness sake!
Could they look a little older? Yeah, sure. But Madhouse decided to go with a young 12 and
you're either just gonna have to deal with it like we all do or just stop watching. Or at the very least stop bitching.
It's not just their looks; its' the way they're portrayed. Also sets the tone for the series.

I do not understand the complaints that Gon and Killua act and look their age. What exactly is wrong with that? That is how they are in the manga. It's certainly okay to not like it, but in all honesty the reason they are acting and looking this way is because that is the way Togashi intended them to. They are 12 years old, if you want anime or manga with more mature protagonists watch something with adult protagonist, don't complain about kid protagonists being kids. It's nonsense..
They don't look like that in the manga AT ALL. Actually to me, quite frankly, it doesn't matter what they look like in the manga. It's about spirit, not form.

I don't see what the problem with me telling him to drop a series that he's already decided to hate.
Anywho it's pretty clear that he has decided
to just hate on the series and while that's fine he doesn't need to ruin it for everyone else.

But whatever. I'm just "bitching about bitching". So I'm done.
Urging the series to take a more mature approach which, incidentally, is sort of faithful to the manga, is a valid criticism. Concluding that I've "decided to hate the series" based on just that once sentence which was in fact framed rather tamely? Doesn't take much to see what's goin' on behind dat head.

It's just so absurd that someone whined about the 12 years old boys behaving their age.
Episode 27 follows very closely to the manga, especially the light hearted and the boy-adventure tone.
That's how togashi breeze through the beginning part of the heavens arena arc (as well as the greed island), there's humor, boys being boys, adventures, danger, challenges....because...duh! we have two young boys here out for adventures, what did that person expects?
What on earth was this user complaining about? Where on earth did he misunderstood this arc as some serious drama?
What does he have agsinst the author and the manga and how it was written? What was he imagining HxH to be?
It's been a recurring theme throughout the whole series. I wasn't basing my assessment on JUST THIS ONE episode. I just thought that maybe since we're on to Heaven's Arena things might change. In fact I believe the director of the anime claimed that things get rather more serious once past the Zoldyck arc. Is it realistic to expect a gradual change in character design and portray?

I suspect some diehard fan of the 1999 series were so STUCK on the portrayal of the Yorknew arc, where the 1999 anime staff took massive artistic license to change HxH into some Hollywood noir thriller (which I didn't like at all) and Kurapika-centric. Is that why some 1999 anime-only HxH fans could only see HxH as some oh-so-dark serious gritty crime thriller? The 1999 anime was often really OFF in portraying HxH and its characters so I wouldn't surprise some 1999 series fans thought what they saw was canon, and actually disliked the actual light hearted and cult-humor from the manga. The new 2011 adaptation is closer to Togashi's intent than the old 199 series. I HATE the innocent (hence really annoying) Gon in the 1999 series, and forced moralistic stands the 1999 anime staff imposed on the series was really bothering me.
If the Gon in 1999 series is innocent, then this one is mentally retarded. The York New portrayal of the 1999 series was indeed a different way of going about it. Some people liked it for that, some people disliked it. But the thing is, I still don't know why people are bringing up the 1999 series.

Telling the new anime production to quit is just so obnoxious. The world doesn't revolves around you fragile little ego.
Fanboys harp on and on about how faithful this adaptation is when in fact, so far, the only similarity is in form and not substance. Sure, I could stop watching. But some things are so intolerable that the knowledge of its existence is enough to irritate and compel people to make a stand. Okay, i'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean.

This is the problem I have with 1999 series -- I don't care for a Christopher Nolan version of HxH (and I don't like the Dark Knight film) because the 1999 Yorknew adaptation took itself WAY too seriously! They took what's essentially a Quentin Tarantino-sque type of work (wacky auteur post-modern shounen that has something 'off' about it) and tried to make it feel "adult" and serious and traditional Hollywood thriller. It's mainstream-izing and stamping out all the cult flavors and twisted humors from Togashi's work. Most of the characters came off way too silly looking in that solemn atmosphere. We're talking about over the top characters like One-Kill-a-day Grandpa, Steven Tyler Silver haired Daddy, simple lined-Gon, shoujo manga big eyes characters like Kurapika, Machi, Killua, etc. They looked so odd and disconnected with that tried-too-hard-to-be-serious-and-realistic mafia world. The director for 1999 series, Kazuhiro Furuhashi, did the same thing for his take on Kenshin OVA...it turned Kenshin into something completely unrecognizable. But i notice that some anime fans tend to think being dark = adult = good (as if that get them mainstream's approval).
I believe the manga took itself seriously, actually. It wasn't a self parody. The tone was indeed different from the 1999 series. Whichever you prefer is up to you. Don't, however, accuse the manga of something that it is not. It is not in the vein of Quentin Tarantino. It really isn't.
 

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I believe the manga took itself seriously, actually. It wasn't a self parody. The tone was indeed different from the 1999 series. Whichever you prefer is up to you. Don't, however, accuse the manga of something that it is not. It is not in the vein of Quentin Tarantino. It really isn't.

It's not about my preference, the other poster claimed he see HxH (Yorkshin arc) to be like Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight, whereas I'm arguing if you were to compare it to a Hollywood film production, the manga HxH is more Quentin Tarantino (talky, parody/references to other manga, parody names, serious where it needs to be but would throw you something WTF ala Shaiapouf sparkly teary faces during serious moment, and the often an wtf anti-climatic solution to a seeming serious/dramatic built up) than....Christopher Nolan. The way The Dark Knight took itself seriously, the manga HxH was never ever up to that level. Togashi would kept his odd streaks even in many supposedly serious times, that's just his flavors.

So whenever people claim HxH needs to be more 'serious' and 'grown up' (often referencing the 1999 series), I'd say HxH needs to lighten up more from that as these early arcs in manga it were very Boy's Adventure in tone (with Togashi's darkly streaks cooking underneath).
 

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Yorkshin was a bit darker than the other arcs (Chimera Ants too) so I enjoyed what the old anime did with it. Granted the whole "Kurapika show" thing could've been toned down, and they could've make the other protagonists a little more relevant. It also could've used a little more humour (I think every story should have at least some humour, even as FMA got darker there was still plenty of jokes). I think Madhouse will do justice to Yorkshin's darker tone. The lighting and atmosphere in the Zoldyck Family arc was fantastic and managed to make the anime darker, but not too dark.

I agree with chei on the "boys adventure" part. I dislike it when some people go over the top in describing how dark Hunter x Hunter is. It's still a shonen series, though a relatively mature one at that. The whole adventure aspect was what actually got me into the series (well that and the fact that I was a pretty big Yu Yu Hakusho fan :p).
 

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Yes YYH was what got me into HxH too! I wasn't sure I'd get into HxH but now I like it even more then YYH. :)

I think Nippon's Yorknew still had plenty of odd/humorous moments (Leorio hitting on Shizuku, Hisoka X Machi scenes, Squala complaining about Neon, Leorio and Gon trying to act "natural" while shadowing the Spiders etc) Just its hard to please those who have a predetermined idea of how something should be like the previous adaptation. But I do think there are things that can be improved upon. In terms of my reference to drawing inspiration from Christopher Nolan I think I worded it poorly. I mostly meant in terms of the cinematography, backgrounds and visual cues it might use for its action sequences more so then stealing his films tone. The story of Yorknew (in the manga and anime) always reminded me of Batman so I thought the comparison made sense when thinking what sort of take the new anime might use.

As a big Gon fan I'd love to see him take more of a center stage for the arc, though I felt this way reading the Chimera ant arc in the manga too :P. I guess that's one thing I love about Greed Island, its Gon's big shining moment to me. Do you guys think we'll get to see Gon get his arm blown off in the new series?

I think the only reason the GI Final OVA got away with it (and the reason the Yorknew OVA got away with decapitation) is because it is an OVA, not aired on television. But maybe they can do these scenes from the manga justice, I hope so. I guess we'll have to wait a few weeks and find out! I think based on how the Kastro fight gets adapted in the new series will be a telling sign of how Madhouse plans to handle limb severing. (Thinking back to Geretta though I should assume we won't see the decapitation we did in the Yorknew OVA or manga which is mostly okay if its done in silhouette like with Togari in Trick tower)
 
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I have to say, Gon gets his arm messed up a lot of times in this series. I would almost feel weird if his arm is not messed up sometime in the future.
 

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Let's see Hisoka vs Gon=Swollen jaw
Hanzo vs Gon= Broken arm
Canary vs Gon=Swollen jaw, eye...messed up face everywhere
Gido vs Gon= Broken arm, ribs (a few other bones I think too)
Genthru vs Gon= loss of arm, damaged throat
... You see where this is going lol. Gon sure can take a beating. And they get worse as the series go on (see NGL+Election arc in the manga)
Hopefully by GI that level of violence in the 2011 anime becomes acceptable. I have a feeling it might since Madhouse's adaptation has been getting more and more gutsy with the graphic imagery lately!
 

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I just finished yu yu hakusho when I heard of hunter x hunter, the fact the same guy made it was really my only reason for getting into it, otherwise I would have put it off.

at anyrate, for me with the york shin arc, I always thought it was a more serious arc in its own right, but thinking back to it, gon and killua really kept it from getting depressingly dark. Like with the exam arc before it, I liked how the problem wasn't just "alright we gotta beat up the boss and his cronies"...ok well acctually thats sort of not true but its executed diffrently. with the ryodan being more stornger than gon or killua, it really made the momments when they appeared all the more dangerous. even if
kurapika had defeated and killed uvogin, had they ganged up on him, it would have been over.
as long as that chilling atmosphere is there and the ryodan are made out to be as dangerous as they're supposed to be I'm happy. and from the way hisoka was done during the 4th phase exam, I have high hopes/expectations of them.

now back to current things hisoka vs kastro will be just as big of a thing as killua's heart ripping scene. while I didn't really mind, heck, even LIKED the way they handled killua owning jones, hisoka vs. kastro will be alot more tricky-er, considering our favorite psycho
goes with out a arm for a while.
they can't use the shadow hints, and whatever the hell that flower thing was they did earlier was supposed to be, it won't work now. especially now that we're seeing blood in this show. Its gonna be a bloodbath in more ways than one, but I'll be hoping for the best and ready to make mots when the occasion arises.
 

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I wonder if Madhouse is going to add any more filler scenes like in the Canary episode?
 

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I'm hoping they do actually, that one works really nicely along with the canon that is already set up. I've been thinking maybe they could show us more of the 10 Godfathers in Yorknew, or the ShadowBeasts, or other lower fighters in Heaven's Arena. What's filler you guys might be interested in seeing along the way? I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are other things. Maybe seeing the imagination training Kurapika does to form his chain (the old anime sorta did this, but not as detailed as its explained later on in the manga about holding and licking chains till he saw them in his sleep)
 

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One that I WANTED to see would be Emperor Time training, but I think that it wouldn't be too fitting unless it somehow was "made canon". I would feel uncomfortable knowing that that technically "didn't happen." I expect to see some Ryodan flashbacks, though. I don't really want them, but I think that, if they're made, are going to be pretty cool.
 
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I do hope they add the little stuff the seemed to be skipped in the manga, like gon saying goodbye to Mito. It just seemed abrupt to go from being at home to all of sudden being in Yorkshin.
 

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would anyone like to see how gon ad killua made the cash they made for their bet?:cheez
 

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would anyone like to see how gon ad killua made the cash they made for their bet?:cheez
I see them adding that in as well. :P There is a lot of place that Madhouse can add stuff without needing break canon.
 

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Well yes, but on the other hand...nope. I think i'll continue criticizing the series when it warrants it, thank you very much. Now scram.

In other words you want to be a troll. That's fine. You can do that. But I'm staying.




It's not just their looks; its' the way they're portrayed. Also sets the tone for the series.


You mean like how they are portrayed as 12 year old kids?
Yeah, the tone is this 12 year old kid (Gon) in an adult world.



They don't look like that in the manga AT ALL. Actually to me, quite frankly, it doesn't matter what they look like in the manga. It's about spirit, not form.

If it doesn't matter what they look like in the manga then why are you complaining?
They are 12 years old. Madhouse drew them as so. 12 years old often look young
though sometimes they look older. Kids mature at different rates.




Urging the series to take a more mature approach which, incidentally, is sort of faithful to the manga, is a valid criticism. Concluding that I've "decided to hate the series" based on just that once sentence which was in fact framed rather tamely? Doesn't take much to see what's goin' on behind dat head.

So what do you expect them to do? Suddenly draw Gon and Killua taller with more
adult like proportions out of nowhere? As I said before it's not going to change.
At least not for a long while. And the series HAS been taking a more mature approach.
If you can't tell that the series has matured quite a bit since the beginning of the
Hunter Exam then you simply have not been paying attention. Gon and Killua are
kids so shouldn't they act like kids? Ever been to middle school? They're not exactly
the most mature bunch. Though really I don't see much difference in how Gon and
Killua act in the 2011 anime and how they do in the manga. If you can actually
cite an example that would be great. And yes, I still conclude that you had
decided to hate on the series. If you were actually interested in criticizing and
not just trolling you would have written more than just one sentence that
is about as critical as someone saying "Naruto sucks because his outfit
is orange and ninjas never wear orange." That's not criticism that's just a complaint.
If you're going to criticize you should something like "Gon and Killua look too young
in the 2011 series. In the manga they look older. Here is a comparison." Or
something like that. Otherwise it's really just trolling.

It's been a recurring theme throughout the whole series. I wasn't basing my assessment on JUST THIS ONE episode. I just thought that maybe since we're on to Heaven's Arena things might change. In fact I believe the director of the anime claimed that things get rather more serious once past the Zoldyck arc. Is it realistic to expect a gradual change in character design and portray?

If it's gradual then you shouldn't notice it. And in any case Gon and Killua stayed
about the same until Greed Island and the Chimera Ant Arc then they look a bit
more muscular (obviously due to all the training). But then again there are still
times even then that they just look like kids.









I believe the manga took itself seriously, actually. It wasn't a self parody. The tone was indeed different from the 1999 series. Whichever you prefer is up to you. Don't, however, accuse the manga of something that it is not. It is not in the vein of Quentin Tarantino. It really isn't.
I wouldn't say it was a parody either. But I don't think it was nitty gritty serious all the time. I think the seriousness actually fluctuates a lot. Hunter Exam overall has a playful
attitude with a lot of dark humor. Zoldyck Mansion Arc is a little bit darker and more twisted. Heavens Arena lightens up and is easily the most shonenesque arc of the series.
The Yorknew Arc is dark with Kurapika's story but it's also very matter of fact. Gon and
Killua's search for Greed Island however keeps it from being dreary. Greed Island is a very upbeat arc despite having a very disturbing villain, Gensuru. Chimera Ant Arc is by far
the darkest and most serious arc but there is a lot of humor in it too. Ultimately it is
a tragedy though not in the one might initially expect. Election Arc is very light hearted
though it has dark undertones.
 
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