Anime Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

[chei]

ugh... its bad enough HxH has the hoyay material it does, I know kurapika looks like a girl but seriously.... UGH. (not a big fan of the hoyay within the series, its probably the only thing I dislike about it.)

I enjoyed the Gon/Killua Hoyay in Chimera arc! I like it when Togashi did it, it was subtle and emotional yet epic. I like that dynamic between them with Gon being the selfish uber alpha and Killua being the wounded "wife", it's unexpected yet very in-character! (and how the 1999 series got that wrong).

But the way 1999 series hammered the Hoyay in though...was cringedworthy for me. The 'coupling' feel of Leoreo and Kurapika was so blatant, and Furuhashi was definitely writing Kurapika as a heroine (2ch called Kurapika his 'fapping' character).

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yes Futurefrog, 'troll' is the word I've looking for to describe why I think Togashi never took his work too seriously.

 

[futurefrog]

I enjoyed the Gon/Killua Hoyay in Chimera arc! I like it when Togashi did it, it was subtle and emotional yet epic. I like that dynamic between them with Gon being the selfish uber alpha and Killua being the wounded "wife", it's unexpected yet very in-character! (and how the 1999 series got that wrong).

But the way 1999 series hammered the Hoyay in though...was cringedworthy for me. The 'coupling' feel of Leoreo and Kurapika was so blatant, and Furuhashi was definitely writing Kurapika as a heroine (2ch called Kurapika his 'fapping' character).

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yes Futurefrog, 'troll' is the word I've looking for to describe why I think Togashi never took his work too seriously.

Well I wouldn't exactly say he doesn't take his work seriously, it's just that he has a very distinct and overt sense of humour and likes to do exactly the opposite of what is expected. He definitely does troll, but he always makes sure to give that action a purpose. So in a way you can say, Togashi takes his trolling seriously haha

 

[thatguy3331]

I enjoyed the Gon/Killua Hoyay in Chimera arc! I like it when Togashi did it, it was subtle and emotional yet epic. I like that dynamic between them with Gon being the selfish uber alpha and Killua being the wounded "wife", it's unexpected yet very in-character! (and how the 1999 series got that wrong).

But the way 1999 series hammered the Hoyay in though...was cringedworthy for me. The 'coupling' feel of Leoreo and Kurapika was so blatant, and Furuhashi was definitely writing Kurapika as a heroine (2ch called Kurapika his 'fapping' character).

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yes Futurefrog, 'troll' is the word I've looking for to describe why I think Togashi never took his work too seriously.

I still don't like the ho yay aspect, but I will admit togashi did it in a way where even if it was the intetnt, I didn't really percive it as such to be honest. it felt more like gon was his ONLY friend and had he left or anything else happened it wouldn't be barable. after all, Gon was the one he spends most time with, so I couldn't really percive it as such. and I don't care about debating I don't WANT to percive it anyother way. I'm fine with my own perception of it.

 

[Crude]

I don't mind hoyay (though I'm not exactly a fan either), but I do mind hoyay between two children. It not the fact that they're both boys, even if it were a boy/girl relationship I'd mind. I simply dislike romance or any hint towards it when it involves children. A little disturbing for me I guess.

As for the relationship between the characters in Hunter x Hunter, I think people tend to look into things a little too much. It's as if every little thing lights up a hoyay/lesyay sign in their heads. Same goes with hetero shipping as well, people tend to find "signs" everywhere.

 

[futurefrog]

I have never viewed Gon and Killua as anything but incredibly close friends. I have a friend who I'd say is the Killua to my Gon, we would die for eachother, but that doesn't mean we are in gay. Two males and two females can have an intensely close friendship without it being a romantic connection. TYhe only people that see Gon and Killua as hoyay I believe are people who do not understand that kind of emotional connection, no offence guys!

 

[there76]

Oh great, now the hoyay talk has invaded the forum!

 

[shareme]

Damn! I missed everyone again.

I prefer Furuhashi's York Shin over the manga. This "tragic heroine" and "too much melodrama" tag is just one of the many interpretations it can have; in my view, Furuhashi's approach added more depth and maturity the manga didn't have. Not to mention, there was so much artistry in his adaptation. (I prefer the manga counterpart over OVA 1, however.)

I also agree with theamericandream that the final result of york shin isn't that significantly different from what happened in the manga. It's just overthinking things, imo.

Anyway, 1999 series>>>>>>>>>2011 so far. It can copy the manga page-by-page for all I care but it will still have mediocre and soulless execution.

IMO, what you see as "mediocre" and "soulless" execution is because Filipinos like their soap operas. It soo very soap opera-ish that it was given a premier timeslot in the Philippines against the local tv dramas. You know where obsessive love, revenge and deaths (killing and suicides) are the norm for the "dramatic" experience.

Also, you can't deny that the famous hxh OTP here is Kurapika and Leorio as most believe he's (Kurapika) a she or doesn't care (yaoi girls). Quite telling that Furuhashi is aiming for something when these two don't interact as much in the manga as they were portrayed in the '99 series.

And I'm sorry, if you read the manga, over-dramatization is NOT how Tsugashi roll and that's a fact.

I enjoyed the Gon/Killua Hoyay in Chimera arc! I like it when Togashi did it, it was subtle and emotional yet epic. I like that dynamic between them with Gon being the selfish uber alpha and Killua being the wounded "wife", it's unexpected yet very in-character! (and how the 1999 series got that wrong).

But the way 1999 series hammered the Hoyay in though...was cringedworthy for me. The 'coupling' feel of Leoreo and Kurapika was so blatant, and Furuhashi was definitely writing Kurapika as a heroine (2ch called Kurapika his 'fapping' character).

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yes Futurefrog, 'troll' is the word I've looking for to describe why I think Togashi never took his work too seriously.

That's why it's so jarring to see "innocent" Gon and uber seme Killua on fanarts and doujins I used to hunt some years back.



Before I forget, one thing I'm having problems with the 2011 hxh is the purple/violet backdrop whenever a character moves fast and/or thinking. I hope Madhouse do some experimentation with this since HxH have lots of "fast" characters and I'm wary that we'll see lots of this backdrops on fights from now on. Don't know about other projects they've done but they've also done this MAD signature on One Outs and I got annoyed with it after some time. That anime only have 25 episodes... imagine if we'll get to see this "animation technique" for 45+ eps?

Loving the ED song, btw. It's beat and tempo will fit early '90s anime.



For those who have trouble with hoyay! It actually means: Those moments of plot, dialogue, acting, etc., that fans delight in interpreting as homoerotic.

Mostly, they act gay so fans pair them up. It doesn't mean they're truly gay and unless Togashi did confirmation either outright OR ala-Alluka confirmation then it's only an "interpretation".

 

[TheAmericandream]

^ convo lol. It's funny my friend only got into HxH for the HoYay! There really aren't many legitimately good man love in anime, its usually played for fanservice, but it always felt legit to me with Gon and Killua. I think the best scene for that is where Gon asks Killua to stay with him always right before Yorknew. My other favorite scenes are probably all in NGL for that. I had to look up the term HoYay to partake in this conversation

Now futurefrog: I don't think that's fair to say, I think its open to interpretation honestly. While the 1999 anime overstates it (not necessarily bad for those who like it), in the manga its still very much debatable.
It's definitely more subtle in the manga/2011 anime, which is nice cause you can still imagine it being there if you want.

 

[thatguy3331]

@crudecross
I remember when I used to think the only way to confirm any sort of shipping was if a character blushed, but then I realized THAT was a overexaggeration as well and so now, I can't tell whats supposed to be what in a sense.

But I do agree that people find hints EVERYWHERE, in EVERY manga, hell, every form of media there is. Thats pretty much the basis of internet anaylisis, don't you think?

@futurefrog
I have to say I agree with you there, so I was really irked when they had killua blushing at gon's comment about him being amazing near the end in episode 25. reading the manga I could sort of guess where people were getting it from, but I always felt that it was to show killua really getting out of assasin life and forming a acctual bond with someone. in that regard: being very close friends.

@there76

yeah... sorry... I guess that was my fault...*sniff*.... I DIDN'T KNOW IT WOULD HAPPEN OK!!!
((watched a recording of last nights SP, your comment made me think more about the ep ))

 

[there76]

I think Togashi realized they were getting a little too close, so he had to separate them before they ended up making out.

Spoiler

That's what you guys would like to think, you sick sick bastards.

 

[TheAmericandream]

I think its open to interpretation, lol.

 

[futurefrog]

I think its open to interpretation, lol.

Well the same could be said for everything. Entertainment as a medium is really all about interpretation and how we interpret what we are shown and the response we have to it. It really comes down to the person, as I said somewhere above, I think you are more likely to understand Gon and Killua's close connection as friends if you have a similar friendship yourself to relate to, if you don't have a similar friendship or haven't experienced one, you may interpret their connection in a very different way (hoyay for some...)

 

[Uriel]

Time to a new poll, don't you think guys? What you think it should be asked?

 

[there76]

Time to a new poll, don't you think guys? What you think it should be asked?

This is a trick question, isn't it?

 

[futurefrog]

Which arc do you most look forward to seeing animated?

 

[heron bpv]

^This.
And let me be the first to say CHIMERA ANTS!

 

[chei]

TYhe only people that see Gon and Killua as hoyay I believe are people who do not understand that kind of emotional connection, no offence guys!

Nope of course not (no offense taken)! I never had nor probably never will develop deep connection with a friend like that, that's why most of us are drawn to fictions as most of us average folks will never experience larger than life drama and emotions. Especially for girls, we interpret emotions differently. I'd say I can feel this way for my husband or my child as such deep feelings are reserved for a family or a romantic union.

And when we talked about dying for a friend, what striked me was Togashi gave the word "心中" (Shinjou) to Killua when he mentioned he would commit a double suicide with Gon if things go bad. The word 心中 specifically refer to a lover's suicide , there're plenty of other words he could have chosen...but oh well that's Togashi for you .

 

[TheAmericandream]

yeah, if that becomes the poll, the Chimera Ant arc is gonna win by a landslide.

 

[chei]

That's why it's so jarring to see "innocent" Gon and uber seme Killua on fanarts and doujins I used to hunt some years back.

Yeah let's not talking about Hoyay or whatnot, that's another key differences between the 1999 series and the manga/2011 - the dynamic between Gon and Killua.
I don't blame the 1999's take because Togashi did have Killua being much taller than Gon in the beginning of the series. But the 1999 series went too far to portray a innocent good boy in Gon (omitted Gon's 'lying' and 'cheating', gave him a polite pattern of speech and the voice actress voiced him in a higher pitch, and they have Gon feeling terrorized and victimized by Hisoka after the punch, instead of Gon feeling his male ego/pride being wounded in the manga). On the other hand Furuhashi went overboard and melodramatic in portraying Killua as this dark, cold, tsundere pitiable tragic bishounen who's unfriendly and unapproachable at first. They even changed their introduction around -- in the manga/2011, it was Killua who introduce himself first to Gon. The manga/2011 Killua IS approachable and cheerful from the very beginning, he appears as a 'normal' kid, that's why it shocked everybody when he made the kill. So yeah in the old series, you get the impression of this cool unapproachable emo Killua (alpha) leading the a sweet "innocent" Gon.

But in the manga, it's the other way around. Killua is the one who looks for Gon's approval, and looks to Gon for decision making. Even though Killua is the stronger one, he sees Gon as the 'alpha' between the two. Gon tends to do things for himself (cried for himself) and can be selfish and inconsiderate, while Killua is the more 'maternal' one who's accommodating Gon, and get butthurt when his standing in Gon slipped.

 

[chikkychappy]

IMO, what you see as "mediocre" and "soulless" execution is because Filipinos like their soap operas. It soo very soap opera-ish that it was given a premier timeslot in the Philippines against the local tv dramas. You know where obsessive love, revenge and deaths (killing and suicides) are the norm for the "dramatic" experience.

you understand how retarded this argument is, do you? FYI Ghost fighter, dragon ball, flame of recca, hell teachre nube, master of mosquiton, and many other animes ALL aired in the same (or almost the same) timeslot. hxh's airing time has NOTHING to do with what the GMA staff perceive to be the "nature" of hxh.

and by the way, thanks for prejudging me to be someone who's so used to soap operas that my judgment on the 2011 series is clouded, simply because i described 2011 to be "mediocre" and "soulless" (a conclusion by the way that is completely baseless)