Discussion Hunter x Hunter Hangout [00]

[EbaForeva]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I think the amount of Nen an user has is just as important as the characteristics of his/her techniques or as his/her strategies. If the difference in Nen level is too big, even if his/her techniques are brilliant, and his/her strategies are well planned, the user with much less Nen will still end up being the loser. For example, Knuckle and Killua have developed awesome techniques but the King, who has a gigantic amount of Nen at the moment and only uses close-quarter combat techniques, will most likely wipe the floor with them plus the rest of the invasion team. Another example is the fight b/w Ubogin and 4 of the 10 Shadow Beasts, the Beasts had excellent abilities compared to Ubogin's but b/c Ubogin was too strong they were killed like nothing.

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

True, like in all other manga to huge differences in raw power will equate in victory of the side that who has the greater power. Still, numbers and strategy can make up for the difference which is something I think will play a part in the next chapters.

Thinking about it, what is the difference between ugovins punch and gons rock attack lol? Both seem to be exactly the same except that ugovin would destroy gon easily any day of the week.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I think the amount of Nen an user has is just as important as the characteristics of his/her techniques or as his/her strategies. If the difference in Nen level is too big, even if his/her techniques are brilliant, and his/her strategies are well planned, the user with much less Nen will still end up being the loser. For example, Knuckle and Killua have developed awesome techniques but the King, who has a gigantic amount of Nen at the moment and only uses close-quarter combat techniques, will most likely wipe the floor with them plus the rest of the invasion team. Another example is the fight b/w Ubogin and 4 of the 10 Shadow Beasts, the Beasts had excellent abilities compared to Ubogin's but b/c Ubogin was too strong they were killed like nothing.

Yes, thats right. Nothing to disagree at this point.

But i dont like those "Nen-Level-predictions" because it doesnt feel right to rate every technique and every character in the future with this nen level scale. You dint need to know if the King has a nen level amount of 2.000.000 or 10.000.000 or whatever else.

I mean, i personally coudlnt enjoy Hunter X Hunter when i am about to calculate every move or every ability to this scale, just to figure out who will win.
There where obviously more factors than some calculated power level to win or to lose a fight.
Its even possible that a fight isnt needed.

At the one side i think it was a nice idea to bring an ability like this in Hunter X Hunter, but i on the other side its not good to make this to important for the future of Hunter X Hunter.

It shouldnt end like DBZ where everyone was arguing about Gokus Powelevel in the Fights against Cell, or Boo or what was his Powerlevel against Majin Vegeta etc. etc.
Its not needed.

Thats my opinion.

 

[IamJacky]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

But i dont like those "Nen-Level-predictions" because it doesnt feel right to rate every technique and every character in the future with this nen level scale. You dint need to know if the King has a nen level amount of 2.000.000 or 10.000.000 or whatever else.

I mean, i personally coudlnt enjoy Hunter X Hunter when i am about to calculate every move or every ability to this scale, just to figure out who will win.
There where obviously more factors than some calculated power level to win or to lose a fight.
Its even possible that a fight isnt needed.

At the one side i think it was a nice idea to bring an ability like this in Hunter X Hunter, but i on the other side its not good to make this to important for the future of Hunter X Hunter.

It shouldnt end like DBZ where everyone was arguing about Gokus Powelevel in the Fights against Cell, or Boo or what was his Powerlevel against Majin Vegeta etc. etc.
Its not needed.

Thats my opinion.

I think the estimation of King's nen in numbers was just a tool to argue how long it'd take for Hakoware to render King bankrupt - since I wrongfully suggested it was going to take a couple of days.

Either way, I agree with most guys here saying that in HxH it isn't about sheer power level or Nen abilities at all, but rather strategies. But, I disagree with the prediction that there will be another team or combination of strategies to take down King and finish this arc, not that it's impossible, but because if it does end this way, it just wouldn't feel complete, much like if the King died from the nuke (or if he died from the nuke BECAUSE of other nen abilities like Hakoware) it'd be logical, but it wouldn't feel right.

I still think the key to finish this arc lies between the King himself and Komugi, there will be some actions probably in the next few chapters, but to end this I think Komugi plays the ultimate role.

 

[Wowzers]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Here is my new theory: The fight with the King is actually all over already. He will get back to the castle and recognize Komugi in time to rescue her from Pufu. He then proceeds to play with Komugi and seems to quickly regain his memories but he starts to get sick. He has got radiation poisoning from the explosion. His rapid cellular regeneration has spread genetic damage throughout his body and it is breaking down. He spends the rest of his life trying to defeat Komugi.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I think the estimation of King's nen in numbers was just a tool to argue how long it'd take for Hakoware to render King bankrupt - since I wrongfully suggested it was going to take a couple of days.

Either way, I agree with most guys here saying that in HxH it isn't about sheer power level or Nen abilities at all, but rather strategies. But, I disagree with the prediction that there will be another team or combination of strategies to take down King and finish this arc, not that it's impossible, but because if it does end this way, it just wouldn't feel complete, much like if the King died from the nuke (or if he died from the nuke BECAUSE of other nen abilities like Hakoware) it'd be logical, but it wouldn't feel right.

I still think the key to finish this arc lies between the King himself and Komugi, there will be some actions probably in the next few chapters, but to end this I think Komugi plays the ultimate role.

This Team-Stuff was just an Example, not a prediction.
I also wouldnt believe that there will show up other Teams - in this arc right now!

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Wish there was a thread where fights between HH characters could be discussed... I always wondered how bisk would fare against members of the ryodan-she seems to be on the level IMHO-.

 

[pirateninjahunter]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Oh well , using Hakoware would be a smart move , but 2 to 3 hours if not more than that is more than plenty of time for the king to wipe 15 hunters at their level . Don't forget that all of the fighting that occurred roughly took an hour , I don't think that anyone would survive for 3 hours when the king is around . Another point is , even if the king's nen is sealed so WHAT , its not like we've seen him use a nen ability or something , with his strength & his rough body for defense i guess that non of the hunters of the team using nen would be able to par with him . He's a bit overpowered & that's what i hate about him so the solution to all this mess will be something unpredictable .

All punches and kicks and tail strikes the king performs use nen. If he had not used nen to defend against Netero's attack he would already be dead. He must have concentrated his nen in the regions where netero was hitting him.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

If he had not used nen to defend against Netero's attack he would already be dead.

No. That's why Netero was surprised; Meruem was impervious enough to render his supersonic attacks harmless.

 

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Here is my new theory: The fight with the King is actually all over already. He will get back to the castle and recognize Komugi in time to rescue her from Pufu. He then proceeds to play with Komugi and seems to quickly regain his memories but he starts to get sick. He has got radiation poisoning from the explosion. His rapid cellular regeneration has spread genetic damage throughout his body and it is breaking down. He spends the rest of his life trying to defeat Komugi.

The King will die so or so, ants wont get older then 2 oder 3 years except for the queen which lives normally 25 years.

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

No. That's why Netero was surprised; Meruem was impervious enough to render his supersonic attacks harmless.

I seriously doubt that is the case. Just because nowadays we do not see nen being used to defend yourself does not mean it is not actually being used. At this point it is so basic it is implied. The king is the closest thing to a natural nen user as it gets, it would be weird if he did not instinctively use nen to defend himself. The king is strong but I doubt he would be nearly as resistant without his nen.

 

[Akiyama]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I would like to redirect your attention to this thread.
Hunter X Hunter and The Breaker needs their own forums!
I hope this answers your questions.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I seriously doubt that is the case. Just because nowadays we do not see nen being used to defend yourself does not mean it is not actually being used. At this point it is so basic it is implied. The king is the closest thing to a natural nen user as it gets, it would be weird if he did not instinctively use nen to defend himself. The king is strong but I doubt he would be nearly as resistant without his nen.

O.o

Remember the fight between Killua and the new Palm?

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

O.o

Remember the fight between Killua and the new Palm?

What about it?

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Killua explicitly stated that Palm doesn't need to use nen for her defense, since her hair served as an armor, and she is a natural reinforcement type. Sure enough, we can see Palm focusing her nen on her fists.

What about Meruem? Remember that Togashi draws glowing auras whenever someone uses nen. So when Meruem fought Netero he didn't use nen.

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Killua explicitly stated that Palm doesn't need to use nen for her defense, since her hair served as an armor, and she is a natural reinforcement type. Sure enough, we can see Palm focusing her nen on her fists.

What about Meruem? Remember that Togashi draws glowing auras whenever someone uses nen. So when Meruem fought Netero he didn't use nen.

It was never said palm did not need her nen when she used her hair. She actually is a reinforcement type, so I would think her hair works that way due to it being reinforced. Otherwise, it would be just hair....

He doesn't always draw the auras, I am reasonably sure they are implied in several scenarios. In any case, I doubt he could take hundreds of thousands of hits from netero without using nen to defend himself.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

He doesn't always draw the auras, I am reasonably sure they are implied in several scenarios.

Alright, give examples.

 

[IamJacky]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

All punches and kicks and tail strikes the king performs use nen. If he had not used nen to defend against Netero's attack he would already be dead. He must have concentrated his nen in the regions where netero was hitting him.

I don't think the King will ever go bankrupt from Hakoware but for the sake of argument... I am curious to know what you guys think: Will King be beaten by Netero's thousands of punches if he was in Zetsu mode?

I can't prove that the King did not use Nen in all his punches and tail strikes, indeed the glowing aura was never illustrated in ALL of his attacks and guards, which lead me to believe that he wasn't using Nen to guard or attack, below is pretty evident that there is absolutely no indication that Nen was being used to attack and guard:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/291/19/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/292/06/

But what bothers me is Yupi and how his attacks never had glowing auras as well, yet it was kind of implied that his attacks consumes Nen power, check below image:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/280/12/

If Knuckle received that punch, his loan/interest of Hakoware would be paid in full with enough extra damage to be killed. Of course, we can interpret that punch as pure force with no added Nen power, but then that would render Hakoware pointless - what is the point of Hakoware, which can render enemy in Zetsu mode when the enemy brute force are THAT strong? So, I think Yupi used Nen in his punches, and therefore maybe the King also used Nen in his attacks and guards.

But at any rate, suppose the King DID use Nen in his guards, I don't think he used Gyou or Kou (concentrated Nen) to guard where he was going to be attacked, it would not make sense, because during the fight it was stated (check below) that Netero's attack was so fast that King could not see where the attack was coming from (and going to) , therefore IF the King used Nen to guard at all, at best he would have only used Ken (basic Nen surrounding the body)...

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/292/03/

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

But what bothers me is Yupi and how his attacks never had glowing auras as well, yet it was kind of implied that his attacks consumes Nen power, check below image:

Yupi is using nen, because the "rage" he stores, and the transformation he does, are nen-based.

 

[Idol]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Spoiler of Chapter 302

Spoiler

a guy on 2chan has asked to Ohana if this spoiler is confirmed

◆HUNTER×HUNTER
No.302　標的

ポットクリンが王達を追いかけてます

王「離れずついて来る。目障りだな」
ユピー「あれは敵の能力、敵本体にダメージを与えなければおそらく消えませぬ！！」
王「ほう、面白い」

王は腕をユピーがナッコーに見せた異形な形みたいなアレにして波動拳を放ちます

ユピー「おお・・・っ（まさにあれはオレの・・・）」

直撃しましたが、無傷でついてくるポットクリン

王「成る程」
ユピー（我の能力・・・我の為にあらず！！王にお渡しする為のものだったのだ！！）←歓喜
王「ユピー、理屈に合わぬな・・・」
ユピー「う・・・（汗」
796 名前： 名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい [sage] 投稿日： 2010/03/24(水) 19:31:36 ID:C7lN3s8B0
王「攻撃した相手に憑く能力を知っていたという事は間近でそれを実際に見たかお主自身がその能力を受けたかのいずれか。どちらだ？」
ユピー「・・・私が攻撃を受けました」
王「今現在お主にあれは憑いていない。なのになぜ敵は生きている？お主はどうやって敵の能力を解除したのだ？答えよ」

戦慄するユピーと不安そうに見るシャウ

ユピー「・・・条件をかわしました。あの能力を解除すれば仲間を助けると・・・」
王「ならば解除の後に仲間もろとも始末する事はできたはず。なぜしなかった？」
ユピー「・・・正直自分でも分かりませぬ。おそらく――・・・敵の・・・何かに負けたくなかったのだと・・・
　　　　　例え敵とはいえその場で約束を破棄にする事に敗北を感じたのです」
シャウ「馬鹿なっ・・・！！そんなあやふやな個人的感情が理由で王に牙むく者共をむざむざ見過ごしたというのですか！？」
ユピー「どんな処罰でも甘んじて・・・返す言葉はございませぬ」

王「余は偽るなと命じただけ。それに対し真実で応えた者に咎のあろうはずがない。プフ」
プフ「はっ」
王「ユピー」
ユピー「はっ・・・」

王「お互い不便な身体になったな。我らは肉体も精神もつながってしまった。三名の間でもはや隠し事はかなわぬぞ！！」

ユピー号泣

Ohana has answer with:

"合ってるよ。
あとちょっとプラスすれば、全バレだね。"

For what i can understand Ohana has confirmed the spoiler.
If anyone can confirm that please send me a pm.