Hangout Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread [02]

When will Hunter X Hunter come back?

  • First quarter 2021

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Second quarter 2021

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • Third quarter 2021

    Votes: 5 10.9%
  • Fourth quarter 2022

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Not before 2023

    Votes: 9 19.6%
  • I lost all hope and I feel scared

    Votes: 14 30.4%
  • It ended with the anime, please leave me alone

    Votes: 5 10.9%
  • It does not matter, I am very happy with my little detour

    Votes: 5 10.9%

  • Total voters
    46

shionoro

Mangahelper
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 7, 2011
Messages
2,940
Reaction score
1,201
Gender
Male
Country
Germany
Alluka simply did what no person could do: removed the Nen curse brought upon by Gon's Vow, and then fully healed him, even restoring his lost arm.
I think there lies the question. What did Alluka actually do?
Killau wanted Alluka to 'return gon to normal', but what did alluka do exactly?

We know that Alluka does not perfectly replicate wishes. The butler wished to be a billionaire, but Alluka just teleported a plan with money to the mansion and let the money drop out of it. That hardly made the butler a rich person, as she never owned the money, so Alluka did not really fulfill the wish, she just created a money rain.

Now, Gon seems to be fine physically AND he seems to remember the events that unfolded. To me, that means Alluka just restored his Body and made him young again ("normal"). But the Nenoath is part of his mind, as such, as long as he has recollection of it, it stays.

I am also not sure an oath is quite the same as a course. It is true that they tried to use a Nenremover to help Gon because obviously his own Nen was letting him age. But still, that does not mean that removing that Nen effect is quite the same as removing the oath itself. The Neneffect might be caused by the oath (much like kurapika's scarlet eyes CAUSE him to give away his lifetime).
But let think this through with Kurapika. Let's say Kurapika gets a Nenability via his syringe that he cannot use at all and has to stay in scarlet mode forever. I am sure Alluka or a sufficiently powerful Nenremover could make it so that Kurapika can go back to normal by banishing the dolphin (and probably breaking kurapika's nen ability in the process).
But I do not think that a very powerful Nenremover or even Alluka could give Kurapika his lifetime back (we know Alluka cannot raise the dead, too. She can restore things that are broken, but Kurapika's body is fine and not the body of an old man).

That oath runs independent from the Nen that causes Kurapika to stay in scarlet mode. If we think the same way about Gon, then Gon 'gave everything away'. That caused him to age and lose his bodyenergy. Alluka could put a stop to that and restore his body, but i do not think Alluka changed the fact that Gon gave away his Nen by using a Nenoath.
 

shionoro

Mangahelper
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 7, 2011
Messages
2,940
Reaction score
1,201
Gender
Male
Country
Germany
Are there hunters without Nen?

I mean, i know the secret exam obviously, which makes you a true hunter. But lets look at it from the perspective of someone who took the exam. You got a hunter's license right there.
Even if you fail to acquire Nen, what happens? Will some Nenmaster like Wing take your license from you? Is that failproof? I mean, you could even sell your license and a person who gets it could legitimately claim to be a hunter, as there is (to my knowledge) no way to verify whether you got your license legitimately.

But if that is the case, shouldn't there be droves of people claiming to be hunters who do not have Nen? That would actually make a lot of sense to me, as we know of events like "100 blacklist hunters attacking zoldyek mansion and being destroyed by Canary". Canary is strong, but I doubt she is at the level to defeat 100 Nenusers that attack her headon.
It would make a lot of sense if large groups like that were people who passed the hunter exam but not the hidden exam. I also assume that lots of pariston's "temphunters" might be people who cannot use Nen, which would also make sense because Hisoka decimated about 100 of them along with Illumi.
Now, again, don't get me wrong, but we are not talking about a forest situation where they can take them off one after another, but a head on fight 100 to 1.
Not even Netero just went alone against the (at that point Nenless) Chimera ants but used Morel and Knove for backup.

After all, even a weak rookie Nenuser can have troublesome abilities, that is a plotpoint in the latest arc too (butlers possibly gaining an ability that can be hard to deal with).

So ya, personally I think many hunters dont have Nen and just think they are fullblow hunters.
 

uberfayt

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2013
Messages
1,035
Reaction score
4,907
Age
30
Gender
Male
Country
Imperium of Mankind
Are there hunters without Nen?
Apart from temp hunters, no, I don't think there are. It is stated in the hunter bylaws that the minimum strength requirement to be a full-fledged hunter is to have nen. I think all hunters who passed the exam end up developing their nen.

Even if you fail to acquire Nen, what happens? Will some Nenmaster like Wing take your license from you? Is that failproof? I mean, you could even sell your license and a person who gets it could legitimately claim to be a hunter, as there is (to my knowledge) no way to verify whether you got your license legitimately.
But can any pro hunter really fail to acquire nen? The answer is no imo, and here is why:

We have seen that newbie hunters who don't have nen are given teachers (sooner or later) and are closely monitored by the association. So, even if someone struggles to open their aura nodes via the normal method, his teacher can just force them open via some form of baptism. But anyone who passes the exam should be someone out of the ordinary, so they should get the hang of nen.

Moreover, looking at the current arc, Kurapika is about to unlock the nen of a bunch of "normal" people with no particular talent, in less than a month! So if even house maids can develop nen, then someone who passed the hunter exam can most definitely too.

However, I do believe that a reasonable number of hunters have a poor mastery of nen.

"100 blacklist hunters attacking zoldyek mansion and being destroyed by Canary". Canary is strong, but I doubt she is at the level to defeat 100 Nenusers that attack her headon.
That would not surprise me, as it depends on their nen mastery and combat experience. If they only know the basics and never stick to their training, then of course they are gonna be destroyed by a butler of the Zoldycks. Those butlers are supposed to be elites with quality training.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

I mean, you could even sell your license and a person who gets it could legitimately claim to be a hunter, as there is (to my knowledge) no way to verify whether you got your license legitimately.


As it is implied from what Satotz says, the license doesn't give the title of a hunter. So, one cannot claim to be a hunter via a license that is not originally theirs.
 

shionoro

Mangahelper
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 7, 2011
Messages
2,940
Reaction score
1,201
Gender
Male
Country
Germany
Apart from temp hunters, no, I don't think there are. It is stated in the hunter bylaws that the minimum strength requirement to be a full-fledged hunter is to have nen. I think all hunters who passed the exam end up developing their nen.



But can any pro hunter really fail to acquire nen? The answer is no imo, and here is why:

We have seen that newbie hunters who don't have nen are given teachers (sooner or later) and are closely monitored by the association. So, even if someone struggles to open their aura nodes via the normal method, his teacher can just force them open via some form of baptism. But anyone who passes the exam should be someone out of the ordinary, so they should get the hang of nen.

Moreover, looking at the current arc, Kurapika is about to unlock the nen of a bunch of "normal" people with no particular talent, in less than a month! So if even house maids can develop nen, then someone who passed the hunter exam can most definitely too.

However, I do believe that a reasonable number of hunters have a poor mastery of nen.



That would not surprise me, as it depends on their nen mastery and combat experience. If they only know the basics and never stick to their training, then of course they are gonna be destroyed by a butler of the Zoldycks. Those butlers are supposed to be elites with quality training.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---




As it is implied from what Satotz says, the license doesn't give the title of a hunter. So, one cannot claim to be a hunter via a license that is not originally theirs.
Tho, Canary was ten at the time. I don't think she, at that point, was stronger than Kalluto. If we take Kalluto and Leorio as baselines (Leorio being untalented at Nen and not particularly interested at training it), I do not think Kalluto can defeat 100 Leorios coming at her.

After all, the problem with nen abilities is that you dno what they do. Even if someone is not super talented at nen, some annoying manipulation ability or something long ranged like leorio's ability can absolutely catch off guard when you are buys with beating up 5 other guys.

The question would really be what would have happened if Gon and Killua had refused to take wing as master and stopped going to heaven's area. Would Wing have followed them like Izunavi did with Kurapika? What if they had said they are not interested at learning Nen? Would they really be forced to be baptized?

I could rather imagine that you need Nen to actually get anywhere with your license. Kurapika tried to get a job from a hunter agency, but was refused for not knowing Nen. I think had Kurapika never learned Nen, they would let him think he is a hunter, but he can get no jobs via it and probably is not invited to events like the election arc.

But he is still free to run around claiming (and thinking) he is a hunter.

I am aware that the organization does not think of you as a hunter if you just buy a license. But that does not:

a) stop people from claiming and thinking they are legitimate hunters for owning a license.
b) stop legitimate hunters from losing their license but still claiming they are hunters (if they lose their license before they pass hidden exam, i doubt the org bothers with teaching them nen).
 

Diivil

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Jan 29, 2012
Messages
228
Reaction score
212
Age
26
Gender
Male
Country
Canada
That would actually make a lot of sense to me, as we know of events like "100 blacklist hunters attacking zoldyek mansion and being destroyed by Canary". Canary is strong, but I doubt she is at the level to defeat 100 Nenusers that attack her headon.
She only defeated 1 Blacklist Hunter & his gang of 100.
She didn't didn't actually defeat 100+ Blacklist Hunters.


The question would really be what would have happened if Gon and Killua had refused to take wing as master and stopped going to heaven's area. Would Wing have followed them like Izunavi did with Kurapika? What if they had said they are not interested at learning Nen? Would they really be forced to be baptized?
Wing would've followed them out of the Heavens Arena until he could agree on a teaching Timetable with Gon, similar to how Leorio was still studying and had only known Ten by the time he appeared in Yorknew. The examiners will just keep on pressing and trying to create a situation where the new hunter will be forced to accept their help and teaching, somewhat similar to Izunavi & Kurapika.

Rather then them being a slow learner who's perhaps struggling, if someone willingly doesn't want to learn, then no, they won't be forced to get awakened.


a) stop people from claiming and thinking they are legitimate hunters for owning a license.
I could rather imagine that you need Nen to actually get anywhere with your license. Kurapika tried to get a job from a hunter agency, but was refused for not knowing Nen. I think had Kurapika never learned Nen, they would let him think he is a hunter, but he can get no jobs via it and probably is not invited to events like the election arc.
Along with what you said above, the Hunter License has its benefits, like being required to access the Hunter Website for example, but it is still largely just the icing on a Hunter's cake. Most competent places hire hunters based on their power/qualifications, rather than them having a license. A hunter with no Nen trying to get jobs and make money using only his license is a recipe for disaster.
b) stop legitimate hunters from losing their license but still claiming they are hunters (if they lose their license before they pass hidden exam, i doubt the org bothers with teaching them nen).
Essentially, for a real hunter, the license is just simply something of a heirloom. Losing your license is just the sign of an amateur Hunter, because of the fact that you are told it cannot be ever re-issued.

Though it has no practical use to the person you sell it to, they could still just use the fact that they possess a license to get contracted jobs with unsuspecting or amateurish/desperate employers, get certain benefits just from showing the card, etc... Though, it's all only a very small advantage to gain, considering that it'll cost billions to buy it in the first place.
 

uberfayt

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2013
Messages
1,035
Reaction score
4,907
Age
30
Gender
Male
Country
Imperium of Mankind
Tho, Canary was ten at the time. I don't think she, at that point, was stronger than Kalluto. If we take Kalluto and Leorio as baselines (Leorio being untalented at Nen and not particularly interested at training it), I do not think Kalluto can defeat 100 Leorios coming at her.

After all, the problem with nen abilities is that you dno what they do. Even if someone is not super talented at nen, some annoying manipulation ability or something long ranged like leorio's ability can absolutely catch off guard when you are buys with beating up 5 other guys.
Iirc Canaria was mostly against people comparable to the mafia goons, and not pro hunters (well, one of them was a hunter tho). Of course, had she been against 100 nen users of Leorio's caliber then it's game over for her, and frankly, I doubt even Hisoka could handle that.

he question would really be what would have happened if Gon and Killua had refused to take wing as master and stopped going to heaven's area. Would Wing have followed them like Izunavi did with Kurapika? What if they had said they are not interested at learning Nen? Would they really be forced to be baptized?
I don't think they'll be forcibly baptised.

Ok, so let us assume for some reason a hunter candidate flat out refused to learn nen. Here we can only speculate, but I imagine that would count as failing the secret exam, therefore I assume the association would revoke the candidate's "hunter" title, but probably not his license since there is no guarantee he still has it.

Also, I think there should be some penalty to this, like preventing the candidate from ever retaking the exam, even though he technically "failed".

I am aware that the organization does not think of you as a hunter if you just buy a license. But that does not:

a) stop people from claiming and thinking they are legitimate hunters for owning a license.
b) stop legitimate hunters from losing their license but still claiming they are hunters (if they lose their license before they pass hidden exam, i doubt the org bothers with teaching them nen).
I'm pretty sure there are millions of frauders claiming to be "hunters", with or without a license. But as I said, I don't think there is any (officially recognized) pro hunter that does not know nen.
 
Last edited:

DDed

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
195
Reaction score
146
Age
24
Country
Vietnam

Here is 2011 anime 10th Anniversary Special Illustration - no manga comeback announcement
 
Top