Hangout Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread [02]

[Ener9y]

It's still forbidden to use it and a last resort plan.
The selection was the only day where they know exactly where the king will be:
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/24-256.0/compressed/HunterXHunter256_p15.jpg?v=11192626002

Nov's infiltration is an unexpected and unprepared miracle thanks to Komugi, Knov didn't have Rose in his pocket and it's still forbidden to use it and a last resort plan.

It really isn’t that complicated. Knov would’ve kept the bombs in one of his dimension rooms; he would’ve placed the bombs in the palace only when he senses any strong en; wherever the king goes, his RGs go too (guaranteed). Palm’s part of the mission would no longer be important so she wouldn’t be near the palace. The minister Bezief would’ve been contacted and informed to smuggle all the women out of the palace same way he brought them in in the first place.

Plus, who says its forbidden, most of the countries didn’t even sign. To add, the CAs where seen as a threat that needs to be eliminated ASAP. There would’ve been no human-life losses. In other words, guaranteed success (if Knov is man enough).

 

[Demonspeed]

But Knov entered thanks to a miracle, Komugi who changed Meruem. Pitou was able to detect anyone with her En. An intruder was guaranteed to die a few seconds later.

Had she not been here their mission would have started to begin with, all of this is due to the Ants becoming more human. The problem is how he would have entered to begin with, plus the Rose didn't spread too much because Netero chose an appropriate place, it can't be launched carelessly everywhere.

 

[Pokkle]

Knov's infiltration is a very short miracle, he couldn't prepared anything.

And after, there is Palm, and the most important, The Rose is still forbidden by an international treaty and a last resort plan:
http://i32.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/298/hunter-x-hunter-1219694.jpg
It useless and very risky to use a very dangerous weapon that the internationnal law banned if Netero can beat Meruem.
And it was the dream of Netero's life to meet and fight someone like Meruem.


The only day where they know exactly where was Meruem was the day of the selection and Palm was there to know where the king was but she failed. If they used it when the King isn't there, the king will know about this weapon and it's still a last resort plan.

And if Netero can't win, and the plan failed, then there is the last resort plan and he will use it with no more casualities and he will put the blame on someone else.

They accused Ming Jol-ik for the use of the Rose:
http://i29.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/315/hunter-x-hunter-2621015.jpg

 

[Ener9y]

Quite frankly I don't think the royals have the sheer volume of nen to resist netero very long to be honest. In the past I compared netero's single attacks with uvo' big bang which is presumably well stronger than gon's rock. Yupi's nen was estimated to be at the 700000 or more. Hundreds of thousands of hits even at the level of gon' rock would deplete that reasonably fast from what I gather. It might not go that smoothly but it is still not a battle where yupi has any sort of advantage. The biggest problem in the fight is pufu, not sure of how his ability would go against netero.

Sorry, but I don't think Nen works that way.


By the way, I think it's such a waste to give a great nen technique like hide-and-seek to hopeless characters like Knov.

I'm really tired. I'll explain more about those points above tomorrow.

 

[Fox666]

By the way, I think it's such a waste to give a great nen technique like hide-and-seek to hopeless characters like Knov.

I don't think that's the case for Togashi. In other mangas, a overpowered technique makes a character overpowered, like Kamui from Naruto. However, in Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter you have all sorts of characters with overpowered techniques who are still weak on their own.

 

[Riyuki]

I don't think that's the case for Togashi. In other mangas, a overpowered technique makes a character overpowered, like Kamui from Naruto. However, in Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter you have all sorts of characters with overpowered techniques who are still weak on their own.

Perfect example: Hiei with Kuwabara's dimensional sword lol. Kuwabara technically has the ultimate weapon in the entire series, but that doesn't make Kuwabara the most OP character in a fight.

 

[Ener9y]

Quite frankly I don't think the royals have the sheer volume of nen to resist netero very long to be honest. In the past I compared netero's single attacks with uvo' big bang which is presumably well stronger than gon's rock. Yupi's nen was estimated to be at the 700000 or more. Hundreds of thousands of hits even at the level of gon' rock would deplete that reasonably fast from what I gather. It might not go that smoothly but it is still not a battle where yupi has any sort of advantage. The biggest problem in the fight is pufu, not sure of how his ability would go against netero.

You’re basing your conclusion on Knuckle’s hatsu and its calculations. We know that Knuckle emits Potclean onto the opponent after being given a blow from him. Potclean constantly lends Knuckle's aura to whomever it's attached to, displayed by the counter on its forehead. As long as Potclean is attached, any attacks done to Knuckle by his opponent return aura to him, lowering the counter. Until all of the aura lent by Knuckle is returned to him, he cannot be physically hurt by his opponent. Nonetheless, each of Knuckle's blows only lends aura to his opponent, causing no damage; though in both cases the one getting the hit may be knocked back by it. I believe the interest rate on Potclean is 10% of the lent aura, added every ten seconds. As the amount of interest accumulates, Potclean also grows in size. If the aura borrowed from Knuckle exceeds his opponent's total aura, the opponent goes bankrupt. Potclean then transforms into the Toritaten, it follows the opponents for 30 days and forces them into Zetsu. The counter only accumulates interest when within 100 meters of Knuckle. Due to his hatsu, there’re no physical damages from the attacks done to each other on both sides; it’s a battle of lending and repaying aura with an interest factor. The case isn’t the same in a fight where Knuckle’s hatsu doesn’t get involved; hits do damage and the aura doesn’t get restricted. So, if he faces the RGs, Netero would’ve lasted more time than his fight with Meruem; but eventually would’ve died.

About Knov, I guess Fox666 gave a good insight on the point.

I don't think that's the case for Togashi. In other mangas, a overpowered technique makes a character overpowered, like Kamui from Naruto. However, in Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter you have all sorts of characters with overpowered techniques who are still weak on their own.

I guess, in a way, that makes the overall story better and more fun.

 

[Riyuki]

After rewatching the beginning and main fight of Netero vs. Meruem, I can definitely say that Netero would've killed any of the RG 1 on 1. I never noticed how Pouf literally says : " If the smoke guy kept his smoky jail up then he probably would've beaten me. If he would've noticed my main body was hiding behind the hair strand, I certainly would've died. I accepted that fate, but took the chance even though it was 10% chance I would've been killed."

Theres no way in hell Pouf would've stood a chance against Netero, same with Pitou and Youpi.

Meruem says himself that such wasted movement would be suicide, yet Netero's power has the capability to defeat him. Meruem only won because of his games with Komugi. There is a reason why almost their entire fight shows images of the game board over and over again. Netero was so fast and had so many combinations of attacks that no one else ever would have broken free.

Is Pitou fast as hell? Yep.
Is Meruem fast as hell? Oh yeah.
Is Pitou as intelligent as Meruem in combat due to exceeding limitations as far as tactics and response time? Nope.

Also, I bet adult Gon would've beaten Meruem pre-rose in a 1 on 1. I highly doubt Meruem would've been perfectly fine aftertaking a direct rock hit to the skull like Pitou did.

 

[Pokkle]

 

[Ener9y]

After rewatching the beginning and main fight of Netero vs. Meruem, I can definitely say that Netero would've killed any of the RG 1 on 1. I never noticed how Pouf literally says : " If the smoke guy kept his smoky jail up then he probably would've beaten me. If he would've noticed my main body was hiding behind the hair strand, I certainly would've died. I accepted that fate, but took the chance even though it was 10% chance I would've been killed."

Theres no way in hell Pouf would've stood a chance against Netero, same with Pitou and Youpi.

Meruem says himself that such wasted movement would be suicide, yet Netero's power has the capability to defeat him. Meruem only won because of his games with Komugi. There is a reason why almost their entire fight shows images of the game board over and over again. Netero was so fast and had so many combinations of attacks that no one else ever would have broken free.

Is Pitou fast as hell? Yep.
Is Meruem fast as hell? Oh yeah.
Is Pitou as intelligent as Meruem in combat due to exceeding limitations as far as tactics and response time? Nope.

Also, I bet adult Gon would've beaten Meruem pre-rose in a 1 on 1. I highly doubt Meruem would've been perfectly fine aftertaking a direct rock hit to the skull like Pitou did.

Pouf's miniature form is easily killed, but his real form isn't. I mean he easily took one of Meruem's hits.

Pitou is fast and strong. The lack of high intelligence may prolong the fight but won't change the outcome. Netero's hits don't injure creatures like Meruem and his RGs, while their hits are fatal for Netero. Netero and Meruem fought for about 10 minutes, and that was thanks to Komugi. The RG's may take days, but will eventually kill Netero (Pitou and Youpi for sure).

 

[Riyuki]

Pouf's miniature form is easily killed, but his real form isn't. I mean he easily took one of Meruem's hits.

Pitou is fast and strong. The lack of high intelligence may prolong the fight but won't change the outcome. Netero's hits don't injure creatures like Meruem and his RGs, while their hits are fatal for Netero. Netero and Meruem fought for about 10 minutes, and that was thanks to Komugi. The RG's may take days, but will eventually kill Netero (Pitou and Youpi for sure).

What makes you think none of Netero's attacks would hurt the RG? That was never said o.O, also, Zero hand probably would've jacked up the RG. Meruem brushed it off because hes the KING. I bet Netero has a hell of a lot more endurance than any of the RG.

 

[Fox666]

Because based on what was shown in the series, Meryem was stronger than them but there wasn't that much of a difference beetween him and the Royal Guard, at least before Meryem survived the Rose. The Royal Guard could withstand his punishments, and Morel and the others presumed that Meryem could have lost his arm because the Royal Guard attacked him.

Even if we assume that Meryem was two times stronger than the Royal Guard, the Zero attack would just double the brushes? You get my point.

Edit: I forget to mention, Pitou was indeed unscattered after Netero's attacked him.

 

[Ener9y]

What makes you think none of Netero's attacks would hurt the RG? That was never said o.O, also, Zero hand probably would've jacked up the RG. Meruem brushed it off because hes the KING. I bet Netero has a hell of a lot more endurance than any of the RG.

Netero's attacks didn't injure Meruem's body. Even after the Zero, he was able to fight just as good, it only scratched him; without the bomb, he would've killed Netero easily. Secondly, Meruem's hits on both Pouf and Pitou didn't have a great effect. Plus, Meruem, easily took off his arm. Meruem's hit had a greater effect on Pitou than Netero's. Do the math.

 

[Demonspeed]

What makes you think none of Netero's attacks would hurt the RG? That was never said o.O, also, Zero hand probably would've jacked up the RG. Meruem brushed it off because hes the KING. I bet Netero has a hell of a lot more endurance than any of the RG.

Netero's limbs were easily cut after a single hit of Meruem who was trying to not kill him. Meruem is THE KING but Pitou, Pouf and Youpi are THE ROYAL GUARDS. They literally dived into the Rose's explosion to rescue Meruem. Even his aura is nothing compared to the guards. A single of their hit is enough to reduce Netero into mincemeat. Pouf can fly, read minds, use his scales, Youpi just have to use a Nen blast, Pitou is the one who is most likely to lose but she has an healing technique. Netero would need to hit them thousand and thousand and times for them to feel a little pain while trying to not get hit even once.

 

[Riyuki]

sigh whatever, but you guys are underestimating netero way too much. I dont think Netero attacked Pitou with the same power he did against Meruem. Meruem said himself : "Such wasted movement would cause a person their death, however, this power may be able to defeat me."

Pitou, Youpi, and Pouf would have NEVER landed a hit on Netero. Netero, after thousands of hits, started to cause dull pain throughout Meruems body. I know this isnt huge, but its specifically shown that Netero has INSANE stamina, with all limbs attached obviously. He did nothing but punch, pray, and step forward for months upon months... years too, right? So why in the hell do you guys think Netero would get exhausted after a little while attack the RG?

Meruem ONLY dismembered Netero because of his games with Komugi. The RG CANNOT say the same thing.

 

[kkck]

I don't think the royals will have the immunity to damage netero had. Not even close to that. Remember killua? Killua with his own insane speed was actually able to hurt yupi. I would argue netero would be faster and stronger than killua. In all probability yupi has dozens of time the amount of nen netero has but what can he do against netero? He couldn't handle 8 attacks from killua, a beginner with the amount of nen of a mid class nen user. What can he do against netero, by far the single most skilled nen user we have seen? Against netero the issue is not 8 hits, it would be hundreds of thousands of hits which the manga showed could level the landscape and create craters.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think the royals will have the immunity to damage netero had. Not even close to that. Remember killua? Killua with his own insane speed was actually able to hurt yupi. I would argue netero would be faster and stronger than killua. In all probability yupi has dozens of time the amount of nen netero has but what can he do against netero? He couldn't handle 8 attacks from killua, a beginner with the amount of nen of a mid class nen user. What can he do against netero, by far the single most skilled nen user we have seen? Against netero the issue is not 8 hits, it would be hundreds of thousands of hits which the manga showed could level the landscape and create craters.

I am not sure how to compared electricity circulating over all the body can be compared to a simple blow but after his hits Youpi was fine, without scratch or wound. Killua just managed to buy time but they can survive to a tail whip of Meruem with the intent to kill and Pitou was fine after receiving a hit by Netero himself. This is more than enough to show or durable they are

sigh whatever, but you guys are underestimating netero way too much. I dont think Netero attacked Pitou with the same power he did against Meruem. Meruem said himself : "Such wasted movement would cause a person their death, however, this power may be able to defeat me."

Why? For what reason would he hold back in this situation? It doe'snt make sense, he wanted to send Pitou the farthest possible. Netero is not an idiot, he is fully aware that his aura doesn't compare to them too.

Pitou, Youpi, and Pouf would have NEVER landed a hit on Netero. Netero, after thousands of hits, started to cause dull pain throughout Meruems body. I know this isnt huge, but its specifically shown that Netero has INSANE stamina, with all limbs attached obviously. He did nothing but punch, pray, and step forward for months upon months... years too, right? So why in the hell do you guys think Netero would get exhausted after a little while attack the RG?

Netero's physical abilities don't compare to the RGs, only his fast prayer and HK's palms are superior. How can you be so sure they won't be able to land a hit? Are you telling me Netero would be able to dodge all of Youpi's Nen blast, a Youpi who can even change his size and fly? You don't need to land a hit when you can manipulate someone with scales, Pitou can heal. Netero has not the firepower to kill them, his palm attacks won't be enough. Maybe, the Zero can kill them but it would sign his death too.

Meruem ONLY dismembered Netero because of his games with Komugi. The RG CANNOT say the same thing.

Netero lasted that long because of Komugi in the first place that's not an excuse, without training Netero would have not been able to do this. Meruem could have killed him and Zeno without him noticing, even the Zero was useless against Meruem. Netero never had a chance and he knew it.

 

[Riyuki]

I don't think the royals will have the immunity to damage netero had. Not even close to that. Remember killua? Killua with his own insane speed was actually able to hurt yupi. I would argue netero would be faster and stronger than killua. In all probability yupi has dozens of time the amount of nen netero has but what can he do against netero? He couldn't handle 8 attacks from killua, a beginner with the amount of nen of a mid class nen user. What can he do against netero, by far the single most skilled nen user we have seen? Against netero the issue is not 8 hits, it would be hundreds of thousands of hits which the manga showed could level the landscape and create craters.

Thats what I'm saying dude. If Killua can absolutely paralyze Youpi, then theres no way in hell Netero couldn't have killed Youpi. I know what Killua did was for a very short time, but the case is the same. Netero is being way too underestimated.

Also, when Meruem took off Netero's limbs, I'm sure Meruem was attacking much more seriously than he did when he punished his RG. I know Meruem didnt necessarily go easy on his RG when he punished them, but there was still a clear difference in intent when Meruem attacked Netero.

If Meruem punished his RG with the same mindset and strength as he did to Netero, then you can bet your ass the RG would've lost a limb as well.

Demonspeed... your first sentence makes no sense to me. Netero only survived that long because of Komugi? >_>...... you just love downtalking Netero lol.. come on man.

The only reason I brought up Komugi is because the only reason Netero ever lost a limb was because of Meruem's massive intellect and tactical boost due to Komugi. Idk why in the hell you are trying to use Komugi as a reason for Netero lasting as long as he did.

 

[Demonspeed]

Also, when Meruem took off Netero's limbs, I'm sure Meruem was attacking much more seriously than he did when he punished his RG. I know Meruem didnt necessarily go easy on his RG when he punished them, but there was still a clear difference in intent when Meruem attacked Netero.

Remember Meruem didn't want to kill him, he could have chopped his head if he wanted. We already know that he can effortlessly pulverize a human, when he is hitting the RGs, he is hitting them with the intent to kill.

 

[Riyuki]

Hmmm I'll give you that one, however, one could argue that Netero could've avoided a head swipe. The core of his abilities is using his hands.