Hangout Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread [02]

[Rizaadxn]

Could Gon make a new hatsu now?

 

[shionoro]

Could Gon make a new hatsu now?

I do not think so.

If Gon could do so, I think he would. But he cannot use Nen at all right now, so no Hatsu can be formed.
If it was possible to just rlearn nen, i think ging woulda told hinm

 

[Uriel]

Could Gon make a new hatsu now?

I have a bias towards yes, as it was stated that some circumstances may change the type (Like life-changing events) and that could result on changing the technique.

I believe He will be specialization

 

[Diivil]

I do not think so.

If Gon could do so, I think he would. But he cannot use Nen at all right now, so no Hatsu can be formed.
If it was possible to just rlearn nen, i think ging woulda told hinm

Like wing told Gon after his first fight with Gido, once you learn Ten, you will never forget how to do it, no matter how long it has been.

Spoiler

During the Slowly and Carefully method of opening your aura nodes, people are simply getting themselves accustomed to instinctively feeling their aura and engraving that feeling into their mind for the very first time. It's this process of getting your mind to experience what aura feels like & how to control it that takes the most amount of time.

Essentially, getting your mind to learn a new skill for the first time. It normally takes 1 year, but some people, like Zushi, can do it in 6 months. It depends on the individual. Gon already knows what aura, and Ten, feels like. All he has to do is remember it, and "practice" to open the pores again.

But the thing is, Nen is heavily dependent on the mental state of the user. Would it be so easy for Gon to just sit down and focus/meditate on doing that? Has he actually truly come to terms with what he did in the CA arc?

Gon trying to open his pores right now would be like a professional athlete who went through a horrific traumatic experience, miraculously recovers, and immediately attempts to return to competition without actually dealing with the trauma itself.

They simply have a mental block that's preventing them from doing something that's already been engraved on their minds. Can you imagine Gon going back to NGL/Peijing castle and staying where Kite's body was to meditate calmly?

Gon's personality hasn't changed one bit, so I doubt his Nen type or Hatsu will as well. He needs to truly face his trauma, and only then will he be able to call on his previous experiences and use Ten/Nen. How long that would take depends on mental state.

 

[BurnSchulz]

I have a bias towards yes, as it was stated that some circumstances may change the type (Like life-changing events) and that could result on changing the technique.

I believe He will be specialization

Thank you
I was about to write something similar.
When his Nen was "sealed" i bet its kinda the effect of a Nen Exorcist as well.
And like Cheetuh for example he might very well be able to learn/form a new Hatsu

But i wonder what has to happen for him to regain his nen.
My bet is he has to actually Train for a very long time until he is physically at a point where he was when he fought pitou.
Kinda like Netero who trained like a mad person for years.

My biggest prediction guess was that the ship will arrive at the dark Continent (after kurapikas story and the battle royale thingy) and something bad will happen then there will be a time skip to like 8 years later and maybe a distress signal will be the reason for gon to go on a rescue mission and to see what happened and so on.
Then with ging they will search for don freeks..

Dunno if we will ever get to read this far...
Just imagine HXH wiuld be at Chapter 600 now...


Damn i miss this manga
Its my favorite

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Gon trying to open his pores right now would be like a professional athlete who went through a horrific traumatic experience, miraculously recovers, and immediately attempts to return to competition without actually dealing with the trauma itself.

They simply have a mental block that's preventing them from doing something that's already been engraved on their minds. Can you imagine Gon going back to NGL/Peijing castle and staying where Kite's body was to meditate calmly?

Gon's personality hasn't changed one bit, so I doubt his Nen type or Hatsu will as well. He needs to truly face his trauma, and only then will he be able to call on his previous experiences and use Ten/Nen. How long that would take depends on mental state.

Thats a very good understanding of mental trauma snd i bet youre on point.
Gon will have to face his actions and learn from it.
What it has done to him and his nearest ones.
He has to grow mentaly and thats where were back at the life czangibg event which might make people into specialist types.



Come to think of it i believe its a very far foreshadowing of what will happen to gon in the future.
Because why else wouldve Togashi mentioned this particular detail on becomming a specialist later in life if we never actually gonna witness it

And it was mentioned as early as they learned about Nen types...
I bet he always had something like this in his mind for Gon.


Also his fight against pitou was to ultimately show what his potential was with the jajanken technique and on top of it probably also a farewell to it.
Unlike Luffy with his Gum Gum Pistol or Naruto with his Rasengan he might not use this Technique for the rest of his life.

Lets just dream about the what ifs here for a second

 

[Diivil]

Come to think of it i believe its a very far foreshadowing of what will happen to gon in the future.
Because why else wouldve Togashi mentioned this particular detail on becomming a specialist later in life if we never actually gonna witness it

My opinion is that we will see that aspect of Nen with other characters. People who have more prominent personalities / more "ambitious" goals and are at risk of having their world view completely changed based on what happens during their journey. People in the mold of a Kurapika.

Specialists are the complete opposite of enhancers because they have a tendency for complex abilities that are born from their deepest desires / goals. Most Enhancers have very simple or even no limitations just because they don't really need them.

Enhancers are very simple people, but they are also the most balanced of all the Nen Types. Gon's world view didn't get changed by the events with Pitou, he just learned a simple lesson that he needs to take to heart: People, including himself, are contradictory. They can be both cruel and compassionate at the same time.

Something like this is evidenced in Netero's 5 year training and the description of his Zero Hand.

Also his fight against pitou was to ultimately show what his potential was with the jajanken technique and on top of it probably also a farewell to it.

That was just Gon's current techniques with a big increase in power. JaJanken is already a very versatile ability, he just needs to add some limitations to have it efficiently incorporate other Nen Types into each individual techniques, while keeping the core concept of the ability the same. Perhaps also developing another Hatsu that's more utility based, like healing or recovery.

 

[uberfayt]

Could Gon make a new hatsu now?

I for one think that even before Gon lost his nen, he still had room to learn one more simple Hatsu, kinda like Hisoka.

Let's see, if Gon were to recover his nen, how many Hatsus do you think he can learn, @Random -chan?

 

[Random]

uberfayt, the random number you generated is 2.

 

[uberfayt]

uberfayt, the random number you generated is 2.

My thoughts exactly, 2.

 

[BurnSchulz]

My opinion is that we will see that aspect of Nen with other characters. People who have more prominent personalities / more "ambitious" goals and are at risk of having their world view completely changed based on what happens during their journey. People in the mold of a Kurapika.

Specialists are the complete opposite of enhancers because they have a tendency for complex abilities that are born from their deepest desires / goals. Most Enhancers have very simple or even no limitations just because they don't really need them.

Enhancers are very simple people, but they are also the most balanced of all the Nen Types. Gon's world view didn't get changed by the events with Pitou, he just learned a simple lesson that he needs to take to heart: People, including himself, are contradictory. They can be both cruel and compassionate at the same time.

Something like this is evidenced in Netero's 5 year training and the description of his Zero Hand.

That was just Gon's current techniques with a big increase in power. JaJanken is already a very versatile ability, he just needs to add some limitations to have it efficiently incorporate other Nen Types into each individual techniques, while keeping the core concept of the ability the same. Perhaps also developing another Hatsu that's more utility based, like healing or recovery.

Togashi might have already felt that Jajanken is boring or rather dull as a technique..
Unlike dragonball, naruto, one piece etc. Where they use the same technique forever (Kamehameha, Rasengan, Gum Gum Bazooka etc) he just showed us a glimpse of what HxH wouldve looked like if it followed the path of a more traditional Shonen in which the Main cast use the same rechnique over and over again until oerfection or maximum potential.

I think Jajanken is history now.

And for Life goals.. right now Gon has none, or rather non of which we know about yet.
I highly doubt that he will be still the same after allthe events.
His best friend is not on his side anymore, he found his dad and bow they talked to each other.
I bet he will change in the meantime while hes not the main focus of the plot anymore.

Furthermore he might develop new desires/goals and ambitions.

We have to be prepared that if he returns to the focus if the plot one day he wont be the same anymore.

The hints are all there and its not unlikely.
He wasnt shown that much since he was healed and in the latest encounters it felt like hes kinda lost and dont know what to do now...

This most likely will change him. Be prepared

 

[Uriel]

The fact that we did not read how Gon's personality change doesn't mean He didn't. In fact, we saw very little of him to know in which state of mind he is currently.

My whole assumption of changing nen type is because there was a traumatic experience with a traumatic cost and loss of "purpose" after finding Gin at top of the tallest tree in that world.
Maybe not Specialization, granted, but I just don't believe Gon is a simple as He was before.


About the when...Probably in the middle of Dark Continent. I'm also biased towards the idea that the ones that will travel to DC will need to be rescued. Gon is a hunter's hunter, so this could be the job for him. It's also a good way to tie in the title. And you could maybe tie this with Gyro.

 

[Rizaadxn]

I don't think Gon's nen type will change (has that ever happened in the story barring Kurapika?), I just think he could learn a new hatsu. Jajanken had its own set of problems and he worked around them but with Gon being 'normal' again, he'll have to open his aura nodes once more and I'd assume that he'd have relearn everything. It's an opportunity to have something different for Gon.

I do not think so.

If Gon could do so, I think he would. But he cannot use Nen at all right now, so no Hatsu can be formed.
If it was possible to just rlearn nen, i think ging woulda told hinm

Ging states that he still has aura but he's just 'normal' now. This tells us that Gon's aura nodes are shut off and that he will need to open his aura nodes again (which I think he will learn naturally this time instead of forcibly like he did with Wing). This could could give him the opportunity to learn a new hatsu instead of relearning Jajanken (assuming that what occurred has reset his progress with nen).

Dunno if we will ever get to read this far...
Just imagine HXH wiuld be at Chapter 600 now...


Damn i miss this manga
Its my favorite

This made me sad to think about

 

[shionoro]

Ging states that he still has aura but he's just 'normal' now. This tells us that Gon's aura nodes are shut off and that he will need to open his aura nodes again (which I think he will learn naturally this time instead of forcibly like he did with Wing). This could could give him the opportunity to learn a new hatsu instead of relearning Jajanken (assuming that what occurred has reset his progress with nen).

That's not it. Every living being has aura. If Gon did not have Aura, then he would be dead on the long run. If he could just relearn Nen, i guess Ging would have told him how.
After all, Ging reminded him that he 'gave it all away' and should be grateful for what he has. If it was as simple as just taking a month or two to relearn Nen, it would not have had to be a plotpoint. Gon could have changed his Hatsu any time before, much like Chrollo did or Killua did.

 

[Diivil]

That's not it. Every living being has aura. If Gon did not have Aura, then he would be dead on the long run.

You can't sense any aura from someone in Zetsu.

The fact that Ging could sense Gon's aura means that he wasn't in a state of enforced Zetsu without himself being aware of it. Gon is simply back to normal, like Ging stated.

If it was as simple as just taking a month or two to relearn Nen, it would not have had to be a plotpoint.

It's as simple as him getting over his traumatic experience of sacrificing his Nen and learning it again.

But, anyone who has ever experienced trauma will tell you that it's not easy to overcome that mental block, even if you feel physically fine and healthy. That's the plot point.

 

[JStackz26]

I don't think Gon's nen was sealed. I think he just needs to open his aura nodes again.

Whoops so I guess, he'll be back. I guess the plan was since the last arc centered more around Killua and Gon, that this would be Kurapika and Leorio. Just that in order to pull that off, he'd have to be in good health. Unless they somehow develop some cure or way to manage his back issues.

 

[DDed]

Whoops so I guess, he'll be back. I guess the plan was since the last arc centered more around Killua and Gon, that this would be Kurapika and Leorio. Just that in order to pull that off, he'd have to be in good health. Unless they somehow develop some cure or way to manage his back issues.

I guaranteed that the final arc is 100% the main four not just 2 anymore because it started with 4 characters, and let it ended with 4 characters
YYH did it the same but instead just keep going every saga with the main four *except the final arc was 3 and it was 3 Kings arc
Oh and I forgot to tell you guys that there was a rumoured that Togashi was almost to make the 3 Kings arc as a deconstructed arc which Yusuke, Kurama and Hiei are against each others

 

[shionoro]

You can't sense any aura from someone in Zetsu.

The fact that Ging could sense Gon's aura means that he wasn't in a state of enforced Zetsu without himself being aware of it. Gon is simply back to normal, like Ging stated.

Still, Gon having Aura does not mean that he can just relearn nen.

It's as simple as him getting over his traumatic experience of sacrificing his Nen and learning it again.

But, anyone who has ever experienced trauma will tell you that it's not easy to overcome that mental block, even if you feel physically fine and healthy. That's the plot point.

It is not just a traumatic experience, but a Nen Oath. Gon gave everything away and it is not clear that Alluka changed that. She saved his life, but whether the Nenoath still applies is another matter entirely.

If Gon gave all of his potential away, that means his youth and his Nen. If Alluka saved gon's life and gave him his youth back, that does not necessarily mean the oath of him having given all of it away changed, thus he can still not use Nen, even tho he is a normal person again.

After all, we know Izunavi said that breaking a Nenoath can mean to lose your Nen.

 

[Diivil]

It is not just a traumatic experience, but a Nen Oath. Gon gave everything away and it is not clear that Alluka changed that. She saved his life, but whether the Nenoath still applies is another matter entirely.

When Gon felt he had accomplished his goal, he reverted back to his normal form, and then soon after, he became a dried husk, because of the Nen curse brought upon himself by his Vow.

In the hospital, Morel and Knov brought the associations only known Nen exorcist. That person immediately threw in the towel, stating that they can't. No one could remove this Nen curse, it was far beyond their ability. Morel even assumed that Killua was bringing a Nen exorcist at first, but the way he talked about it seemed like something else.

Alluka simply did what no person could do: removed the Nen curse brought upon by Gon's Vow, and then fully healed him, even restoring his lost arm.

Hence Gon is no longer cursed by his own Vow and is simply back to normal.

After all, we know Izunavi said that breaking a Nenoath can mean to lose your Nen.

A Nen user can place curses on other people and on themselves too. As evidenced by Kurapika cursing himself with his own Judgement Chain.

Breaking a Nen Vow is the same, you get inflicted with a Nen curse, which in most cases forces you into Zetsu, and that's how lose your Nen. Depending on the severity of the Vow you placed, it's effect would go far beyond simply losing your Nen, and in the worst cases, it would also be close to impossible to have that exorcised.

But anyways, we just gotta wait for more clarification and we'll see who was closer to the truth.

 

[uberfayt]

When Gon felt he had accomplished his goal, he reverted back to his normal form, and then soon after, he became a dried husk, because of the Nen curse brought upon himself by his Vow.

In the hospital, Morel and Knov brought the associations only known Nen exorcist. That person immediately threw in the towel, stating that they can't. No one could remove this Nen curse, it was far beyond their ability. Morel even assumed that Killua was bringing a Nen exorcist at first, but the way he talked about it seemed like something else.

Alluka simply did what no person could do: removed the Nen curse brought upon by Gon's Vow, and then fully healed him, even restoring his lost arm.

Hence Gon is no longer cursed by his own Vow and is simply back to normal.

I think there were two parts to the curse from Gon's oath: one on his health and one on his nen (remember, when Gon formed that oath, he was ready to throw away both his life and his nen). Alluka apparently only lifted the curse that was draining his life (and thus, healed him) but not the one on his nen. This is why I believe that Gon cannot use his nen ever again.

Maybe a second wish to Alluka could restore him back for real though...gotta wait and see.

 

[shionoro]

Alluka simply did what no person could do: removed the Nen curse brought upon by Gon's Vow, and then fully healed him, even restoring his lost arm.

I think there lies the question. What did Alluka actually do?
Killau wanted Alluka to 'return gon to normal', but what did alluka do exactly?

We know that Alluka does not perfectly replicate wishes. The butler wished to be a billionaire, but Alluka just teleported a plan with money to the mansion and let the money drop out of it. That hardly made the butler a rich person, as she never owned the money, so Alluka did not really fulfill the wish, she just created a money rain.

Now, Gon seems to be fine physically AND he seems to remember the events that unfolded. To me, that means Alluka just restored his Body and made him young again ("normal"). But the Nenoath is part of his mind, as such, as long as he has recollection of it, it stays.

I am also not sure an oath is quite the same as a course. It is true that they tried to use a Nenremover to help Gon because obviously his own Nen was letting him age. But still, that does not mean that removing that Nen effect is quite the same as removing the oath itself. The Neneffect might be caused by the oath (much like kurapika's scarlet eyes CAUSE him to give away his lifetime).
But let think this through with Kurapika. Let's say Kurapika gets a Nenability via his syringe that he cannot use at all and has to stay in scarlet mode forever. I am sure Alluka or a sufficiently powerful Nenremover could make it so that Kurapika can go back to normal by banishing the dolphin (and probably breaking kurapika's nen ability in the process).
But I do not think that a very powerful Nenremover or even Alluka could give Kurapika his lifetime back (we know Alluka cannot raise the dead, too. She can restore things that are broken, but Kurapika's body is fine and not the body of an old man).

That oath runs independent from the Nen that causes Kurapika to stay in scarlet mode. If we think the same way about Gon, then Gon 'gave everything away'. That caused him to age and lose his bodyenergy. Alluka could put a stop to that and restore his body, but i do not think Alluka changed the fact that Gon gave away his Nen by using a Nenoath.