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sticky- Calling the 1999 series the original series or not said:Well their reasoning for doing so really doesn't matter (though I do suspect they are trying to win brownie points) the main point is that it incorrect.
Let me show you what the definition of original is. I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. This is important. From Dictionary.reference.com
1. belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning:
We then have to ask what is the origin of HxH? Is it the 1999 anime? NO! It is the manga!
By calling the 1999 anime the original you're saying it is the origin of Hunter x Hunter which is not true.
Why is this a problem?
Because it misleads new fans. When you call the 1999 the original they don't realize you mean "the previous anime".
They think that either 1. the 1999 anime IS the origin of Hunter x Hunter and therefore should be the measuring stick
used to judge this 2011 anime or 2. If you don't specify the 1999 anime (but mean that) they might think that
you're actually talking about the manga. Like if I said "In the original, Killua has a red hat" people might not realize
that I'm actually talking about the previous anime (the 1999) and instead may think I'm talking about the manga.
But as we all know the manga is in black and white. Thus it is misleading.
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ON the contrary I say it ADDED to the element of surprise. I mean at that point it's not like Sadaso could have done anything.The new series gave us a better look for the ten flow. However, it omitted the part when Wing described it as riding a bicycle.
Since this is the 21st century and no one uses VHS tapes anymore, they changed the recording of Hisoka's fight to a disk.
An explanation of Gyu was given. The effects were not the same as the ending theme.
Looks like the studio has settled on one color for all nen methods in the normal circumstances.
In Zushi's abduction scene, we see the full Evil Trio in the anime. In the manga we only see Sadaso and Reihlvert and we don't see them take Zushi's shoe off.
In the manga, Killua was asking how Sadaso looked like. In the anime they changed to confirm if he's the guy with the one arm.
When Killua asked permission to fight from Wing, he never says that date was his birthday, which was a lie of course (Between brackets in the manga), and Gon gives his date as well which he didn't do in the manga.
And here comes the big moment. It was excellent by keeping the knife and the lack of music, but they've ruined the element of surprise when they showed Killua's strike before splitting the head.
8.5/10
Now we get to the old version and how it handled the same event. Unfortunately, the events were in shambles and it was hard to keep track on what's going on in the correct order.
Episode 41:
After Hisoka x Kastro fight, Gon and Killua goes to Wing to show Gon's progress. The aura does not show the improvement as good as the manga and the new anime. And instead of using the recording of the fight, Zushi practices gyo on Wing. The effects were not as "fiery" as the manga.
But wait... there's a problem... if we go forward, and to be exact in episode 42 during Gon's fight with Hisoka, we see in a flashback that they've used the recording to practice gyo. And since they've been able to adapt the scene from the manga, that makes the previous one:
But even that had its flaws. Gon and Killua were not able to use gyo and they went to do that later, as so are we. But not without mentioning that Wing said the recording was done in a special way by a nen user. The question here is: Who was that guy? And how can he give Wing the recording just like that? And How did Wing find him? That part was not mentioned in the manga and it was treated as if it's possible to record the nen aura in a regular video with no special ways. And are we going to see something new? No. We all saw what they've shown to us with the exception of Hisoka leaving the arena. Also notice that they've censored the shot when Hisoka chomps his arm.
Back to episode 41:
After the class, Gon goes out in the woods and practices gyo, and we see... the plants have nen? What?! Did they ever mention that nen exists in all living beings including plants? If that wasn't enough, Hisoka some how feels Gon aura from his room and decides to give a break and ignore his condition to win at least one battle if he wanted to fight him. Hisoka is easy on him here...! Also, this change doesn't make Gon deserve the honor of fighting him with real effort and not by fulfilling Hisoka's condition. Remember. This is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam and demanded to take his badge back, And yet, we see him accepting Hisoka's call to forget all about it and just fight him just like that?
Let's ignore Gon and Hisoka's fight and concentrate on the correct path of events.
Episode 43:
After the fight, the Evil Trio were discussing about them and their goals. The line was originally said by Sadaso when he was alone in his room.
Then we see a fight between Killua and a guy named "Dorado" ((Gee, I wonder what's the meaning of his name!)). This fight is completely filler and did not happen in the manga. Nippon studio is weird! They didn't have time to show us Hisoka x Kastro full fight and yet here they are wasting time with a filler fight? And look at Dorado's bright red color. I don't see anyone complaining about it the same way they complained about Majitani's blue color! Maybe because he's not from the manga, but since when the old anime purists took manga as canon? Anything different from the old anime is wrong for them! And look. Killua got slashed by the spear and he doesn't bleed let alone get a scratch on him! I though the old version was the "brutal, Not kid-friendly" version!
I'd like to point this out. The announcers are over the top silly! Look at this one's facial expressions! They changes within a second! And what's the deal with the randomly falling tooth? Did they think it was funny or something?
Then we get another filler scene where Wing was talking to Killua about his fighting style and not to follow others' shadows etc.
When the Evil Trio stood in the Good Trio's path, Gon gave his date to Sadaso. In the old anime he didn't.
When Killua knew that Sadaso broke his promise, he smashed a billboard and the windows of a nearby building. We see the repair in progress.
In the manga, when Killua goes to check on Zushi, he watches Hisoka's fight to test his gyo. In the old anime, we see that both him and Gon were able to see the threads and figured out his abilities together. In the manga, Gon was only able to see the threads, but couldn't figure out Hisoka's abilities. They also took their time to explain Kastro's abilities. Howewer, they made Killua ask Wing as if he wasn't there when Kastro explained them in public. Of course, we didn't get to see that in the old anime and had to work it one way or another.
Later when Killua asks permission to fight, he gives the date and says that it's his birthday, but we didn't know it was a lie. The old anime also made Wing aware of what's going on which was not confirmed in the manga.
What comes after? A training montage. Note that they are practicing their hatsu. We will get to that due time.
Here's a note: Killua's and Sadaso's names are written correctly in English instead of whatever language they use in their world.
In Killua threatening Sadaso scene, they changed the knife to Killua using his claws. If you asked me, I say it made more sense. Killua's claws are already sharper than knives, so why would he need one? And where did he get one and how did he get past the security with it? Also note that the shading of his eyes were redone in the next episode recap to make it closer to the manga. Also note that Sadaso can indeed move his other arm when he was repeatedly clenching his fist.
And again, more over the top reactions by the announcer.
And if you notice in the manga we get a glimpse of Killua's shoe as he walks which hinted his arrival which is even more spoilerish.
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It doesn't really matter "what they mean" they are using the term "original" incorrectly. And I can't tell what they mean necessarily.
Maybe some are unaware of the manga and think the 1999 anime is actually the origin of HxH which it is not. Others might just be
trying to use original in place of previous which would mean it's a problem of word usage. And some might even know that it is
incorrect but do so anyways to gain brownie points. Yes it does matter it is incorrect and disrespectful to the original manga. That doesn't make it original.
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Actually I did notice that. I figure with stuff like that they ran out of time. Remember it's always possible it can be added on to the DVDS.
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Question for y'all:
Who do you like best?
Gido?
Riehlvelt?
Sadaso?
You must pick one of these choices. No answering Hisoka! :P
It's just 1999 fanatics who can't seem to or refuse to understand that the 1999 is just an earlier ADAPTATION of the original manga and think that the 1999
I have no clue. Japanese humor? Just trying to be cute? Made no sense to me.
Gif-a-thon
The one everybody wants:
"-Hum.
-Hey.
-Ha."
Gyo, which should be discussed a bit more:
Ren, more 3Dish now:
They look so cute :3
Blood :O
Gif-a-thon
The one everybody wants:
"-Hum.
-Hey.
-Ha."
Gyo, which should be discussed a bit more:
Ren, more 3Dish now:
They look so cute :3
Blood :O
It's a reference to Sadaso. He says "ne" when he speaks very often.
The thing I disliked the most with this change of events is making Gon get the chance to fight Hisoka without doing any real effort. All what he did was practicing gyo and that was enough to change Hisoka's mind?! And like I said, this is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam. And he didn't object here?
As if episodes 11 and 12 weren't enough of a clue.
Original Post by Toto y MoiThis episode covers chapters 13 and 14 in the manga; the material was covered in episodes 11 and 12 of the 1999 series.
The 1999 series' main plot sees a failed applicant from the second phase sneaking onto the airship. Her father was killed by a Zoldyck and she thinks that Killua did it.
I was never a fan of this filler. It's poorly written in a number of parts and really changes Killua from his manga incarnation. Their relationship with her is weird...she's irrational and consistently rude, so why does Gon play for her right to take the Hunter Exam? Gon's last bit of dialogue to her sees him telling her to take the Hunter Exam again next year so she can become a Blacklist Hunter...despite her ultimate goal being to capture and kill Killua. What?
Anita is present in a few frames during episode 10 as a contestant, in which she fails the second phase because she doesn't jump off into the ravine. But then she stows away outside of an airship hundreds of feet in the air? Uh? Anita also somehow manages to knock two professional Hunters unconscious. Even though she failed the exam. Okay then.
Whether or not you prefer the characterization of Killua in the old series vs. the new is completely up to you to decide. They're very different people.
This is where the 1999 series first shows its chops. The first half of both episodes 11 and 12 are fantastically done (the latter halves of each episode are pretty forgettable; perspective mistakes galore in the second half of 11). I recommend it for the animation alone, though the plot is hit or miss.
Tonpa tries to psyche Kurapika and Leorio out, but he actually manages to in the Nippon Animation version. He freaks them out with lies about a hidden test (which turns out to be true in the 1999 series' filler) and then annoys them by snoring. He doesn't succeed in either the manga or Madhouse adaptation. Keep in mind that the main characters still don't know that he's a "rookie crusher."
The proctors' conversation about the Examinees is done better in this episode. If you check last episode, you can actually see Hisoka provoking Menchi. Or at least, getting ready for battle. The problem with this in the 1999 series is that they tried to go the comedic route with Hisoka during Menchi's exam. In it, Hisoka sort of leaves during the Sushi and starts throwing stones in a pond. You literally don't see him again until Netero's airship reaches the Numere Wetlands--where he's still throwing stones in a pond.
Satotz tries to forcefeed the viewer his opinion about Hisoka in the Nippon Animation adaptation with a couple of emphasized lines not in the manga or Madhouse version--he calls Hisoka dangerous and a heretic in it.
Killua's interactions with Gon are very different between versions. The 1999 series gives some well-animated scenes of the duo exploring the rest of the airship. When they're scolded, Gon starts sulking intensely. It's played for laughs, but goes against Gon's character. NBD, considering Gon acts extremely OoC throughout both episodes.
So then Gon asks if Killua has parents. It's an interesting way of prefacing the conversation. Killua says they're assassins and plays it off as a lie, but Gon already realizes that he's telling the truth. In the 1999 series, Killua sort of segues into talking about his family and Gon asks what his parents do. It seems similar, but the nuance is completely different. I like how Madhouse and the manga handle it because it's a question out from nowhere. Gon, who knows nothing about his own birth parents, starts a conversation with Killua asking if his own are still alive.
But a secondary problem lies with the characterization of Killua (in Nippon Animation's version) because of it. Killua mentions that he's charming because people can never tell if he's joking or serious. But in all of the episodes prior to this one, Killua is a deathly serious character. He doesn't really tell jokes. He's more mysterious than anything else. His personality is at odds with the things he says in the old series. Madhouse adapted the scene as it was in the manga.
As far as the conversation goes, the dialogue is slightly censored when Killua talks about what he did to his mom and brother. The 1999 series has Killua simply say he "nearly killed his mother and brother" while the 2011 series and manga get into more graphic detail. The boys both talk about surpassing their dads (something the pair never discusses as a goal in the manga). Director Furuhashi makes a motif of Gon saying "I just know" when it comes to situations surrounding Killua.
Anyways, the shows diverge from here. The 1999 series starts focusing on the Anita storyline. The best scene is Leorio hitting on Anita. Anita comes up to Killua and provokes him, then tries to kill him until Netero intervenes. Then comes the angst. Killua in Nippon Animation's version is extremely emotionally distressed. Killua thinks that Gon doesn't want to be friends with him because he's an assassin. Gon says that Killua isn't a bad person; the reason Gon thinks so is because he knows Killua didn't kill Anita's father. Killua gets angsty. He tries to attack Gon, who doesn't flinch.
Now the storylines start converging again, for the most part. Netero shows up out of nowhere. But instead of dashing past the kids at an incredible speed...Netero's sort of just behind them, scratching his ass. Killua's views toward Netero (and his own actions) have completely changed. Killua is initially threatened by Netero's presence in both Madhouse's version and the manga--it's somewhat important to think about the reasons why. Killua is only mad at Netero in the 1999 series because he was already on edge from the whole Anita thing.
Gon for some reason is deeply concerned with Anita's wellbeing, even though she tried to kill his friend like two minutes ago. He questions what's going to happen to her, with Netero responding that she probably will be banned from taking the Hunter Exam. Gon, deeply concerned, asks if there's anything he can do to prevent that. So they play the game. The main reason why Gon plays against Netero in the 1999 series isn't because of the free license (though I guess it certainly is Killua's motive)--Gon does it because he doesn't want Netero to press charges against Anita. He's such a goody-goody.
So the game starts. If you'll notice, the characters are significantly less fast as they are in the Madhouse version. Killua has the nerve to say "What speed!" regarding Netero's agility near the end of episode 11, despite everything being poorly animated and slow. The game doesn't really pick up until the beginning of episode 12.
Killua then showcases one of his special techniques: "Rhythm Echo." Nippon Animation always had the problem of being unable to accurately mimic the characters' fighting styles. The attack's effects are significantly different in the 1999 series. In the manga and Madhouse version, Killua's cadence somehow allows him to create afterimages. Uh, I don't really understand how it works either. Nippon Animation doesn't give the technique a name--in fact, it's a completely different move. Killua walks similarly, but it makes him disappear into the darkness.
So in the 1999 series, even though Killua disappears into darkness to steal the ball, he decides to scream really loudly when he reveals himself (giving away his location, nullifying his intent in the first place). Ok. Episode 11 is over, and gladly.
Episode 12 starts and the animation is great again.
I was wondering how Madhouse was going to attempt to surpass the animation in the 1999 series. Simple--they didn't attempt. But Madhouse emphasizes Gon's speed in a way the 1999 adaptation didn't ever do. This series doesn't waste time in making its protagonist look cool.
So the kids try pretty hard, but to no avail. Killua gives up, and we get some more divergence. The difference is in his reaction. Killua in the manga is angered, threatened, and annoyed by Netero. He mentions Netero's handicap to Gon. But in the Nippon Animation version, Killua is terrified of his own capacity. He starts shaking and walks out after only saying "I give up." Anita's the one who has to explain to Gon about Netero's arm and leg.
Aaaand then we get a split personality. Killua is both emotionally and psychologically unstable in the 1999 series. He talks to himself and berates himself for letting his murderous urges take over.
During his conversation with himself, a random applicant decides to stand around and watch Killua and gets annoyed by him talking to himself. So Killua decides to kill him...
...only, not really! No one panic, he's ok folks! In the Nippon Animation version, Killua just manages to hurt the applicant kind of badly (and bloodlessly, I might add). You see him covered in bandages by the end of the episode. Nippon Animation missed covering an extremely important theme in this series.
Hisoka removes a man's arms for having bumped into him. In a direct parallel, Killua murders two men for having done the same thing. It's supposed to make you question whether or not both Hisoka and Killua are "the bad guys." Killua doesn't kill this dude or Anita in the older anime. But the failed characterization and censorship in the 1999 series are side-effects of Nippon Animation removing moral ambiguity for straightforward "good" vs "bad" in the first arc. It gets better in the second half of the anime, but as of right now it's a real shame.
Oh yeah, and there's this short filler with Leorio and Kurapika coming to Menchi's room in the middle of the night. Neither of them have good reasons, and I can't say it's all that entertaining.
For some reason, Netero and Gon move their game outside in the 1999 version. Nippon Animation fails to include a move that Gon does fairly often over the course of the series--this dash thing that he does. Instead, he pulls out his fishing rod to use as a weapon. I really liked this part in the Madhouse version.
The conclusion to Gon vs Netero is different. Gon tries to headbutt twice in the old version, but falls off the airship (and saves himself using his fishing rod). Gon pulls himself up, kicks Netero in the face, and reaches for the ball. Netero then defies the laws of gravity and gets the ball back using all of his limbs. In the Madhouse version and manga, Gon tries to headbutt twice and Netero dodges using his right arm while carrying the ball with his left.
Episode 12 ends with a really bad conclusion. Like, really bad. The dialogue is terrible. Just watch it and see what you think.
You know what might be an interesting idea?
Hisoka doesn't "prepare" for an attack / opponent he just fights, Hisoka "preparing" beforehand contradicts everything we've read about him in the manga, any preparations he does are in the fight itself not before it..