Anime Hunter X Hunter New Anime Discussion

[thatguy3331]

I have to agree that Gon probably is one of the best written in shounen heroes, I mean Edward Elric, shall I dare say, ain't got jack shit on Gon.

With most shounen heroes, its about over comming the dark side and coming out on top wether it be bitter or sweet. Hell even with some villan protaonists, like say... light yagami, from what I can tell is simply one of those examples where the dark side took over him and he failed at it.

The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

 

[heron bpv]

^And maybe that's why we like him so much (even if he is not your favorite in the series), somehow he seems human =]

 

[shareme]

Here is how the Viz version goes

"Being a hunter must be an important job. So important...that family comes second."

Now check this part out. This is what Gon says to Aunt Mito that upsets her

"Being a hunter, isn't for weaklings, Aunt Mito."

Does anyone else realize what Gon is saying here?

No wonder Mito got upset! That's a pretty cruel thing to say! Assuming it wasn't added...
Does anyone know if Viz added that line in or what? Though I don't think they did because
it matches up with the rest of Gon's behavior.

I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?

3 years later. It's clear that Gon and Kon are best friends.
But then Gon applies to the Hunter Exam and since Hunters
and animals of the forest don't get along (Just look at the example
with Kite) Gon basically tells Kon to get lost. In a nice way. But still.
It doesn't matter they been friends for 3 years. The Hunter Exam
is more important than their friendship and so is Kon's title
as king of the forest.

But of course this is just some silly bear/boy friendship story.
Of course it can't last forever. It's time for Gon to grow up, right?
There's no parallels to anything recent....Or is there

Of course the Hunter exam is more important for Gon but the way you worded it, you're saying that Gon was not sad and hurt to end his friendship to Kon. The last two panels says otherwise:

Spoiler

It looks to me he's running away from the pain instead of running back home.

Gon knows it will be complicated for both of them if they remain friends and continue to see each other since "hunters", by virtue of their work, are animals' enemies. Being the "lord of the forest", Kon will be in a difficult situation - he might lost his status and endanger his family - if he persist to remain friends with a "hunter". Kon acknowledged what Gon is saying and left... but not before saying "good bye (forever)" to the Gon-the-kid-who-raised-him-and-became-his-friend because the next time they'll see him, it will be Gon-the-hunter who'll come back.

Why do you think Kon never shows his face to Gon again?

Gon and Killua's separation.

Naruto vs Sasuke has got NOTHING on the magnitude of HxH Chapter 338.
As much as I like Naruto, let's be honest. The whole "friendship" between
Naruto and Sasuke is really plot device. Comrades yes. But best friends?
Yet Gon and Killua are at least on a surface level best friends in fact some
may think they are even lovers. The connection between them is unmistakable.

It amused me when you compare Naruto-Sasuke's "friendship" to Gon-Killua's. Are you hinting something there since most Naruto fans think Naruto's gay for Sasuke?

But now they are separating.

Why?

Because Gon wants to talk to Ging in private more than he wants to hang out with Killua

and Killua is busy taking care of Alluka.

These panels disagree with you:

Spoiler

The red rectangle part sounds to me like if Killua doesn't hurry up and leave soon, Gon won't be able to let him go.

Even Alluka knows they're full of shit. Check out their faces on the last panel. It's at odds to the cheeriness of their goodbye:

Spoiler

With Gon...

I don't know what he will become because he could become almost anything
He has the potential to be a villain. But also the potential to be a hero.
He could end up as a tragic character or as a character of great inspiration.
No thing is for sure. I think it will be a while before Togashi ceases to amaze
and entertain with Hunter x Hunter.

The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

Gon is a True Neutral. The "wild cards" characters fall on this alignment.

 

[Demonspeed]

^Variant 3 i think

 

[Netero]

I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?

Right from the viz digital volumes.

Spoiler

 

[Salce]

Right from the viz digital volumes.

Spoiler

I think shareme wanted to know if Gon actually says that in the manga, or if it's a line added by Viz.

 

[chei]

Obviously because it's so friggen cool!

Oh wait...

Lol the changes the 1999 series did for these guys are quite simply...retarded. Not to mention how they ruined the flow of the storytelling.

I finally saw the new episode, it's great, this is where Killua started to become so lovable for me. The way he's so protective for Gon, it's like he's willing to burden all the dirt and nasty stuff to keep Gon pure and focused. When that's ruined, oh Killua...

The music direction didn't stand out to me at all as I'm concentrated to the story, so nothing is 'jarring' or out of place for me, so I didn't get what the big deal according to the big discussion couple pages earlier.

 

[mrsticky005]

I personally believe this is the main point of Gon's characterisation, at his age, this fragile age, he can be anything or anyone. He can be corrupted and go the path of Gyro or he can grow up to be a good man. Childhood is a time of great influence, we see all of the characters Gon interacts with influences who he is, who will this young boy grow up to be? That is the exciting thing about this excellent coming of age story.

And of course you got Killua as a parallel.

Kurapika seems like he might have gone off the deep end.

And I'm wondering about Leorio. Leorio has the biggest heart of them all. But I'm afraid that he may grow indifferent to his actual dream and become
the money grubbing pig that he pretended that he wanted to be.

I agree with you. For me Gon has the potential to be the darkest character in the manga. And many characters think that he is inhuman(Hisoka,Zepile,Meleoron).

It's one of the reason why i really want to see his encounter with Jairo because Gon could really change a lot!

Spoiler

Togashi... I am waiting for you!!

that meeting should be the deciding point of who Gon will become

I only wanna know why was Rehlevlt using his scooter all the time in the old version.

to carry his grocceries

Obviously because it's so friggen cool!

Oh wait...

he's having so much fun

Cooler than MONSTER WHEELCHAIR?!

he brakes for nobody

I have to agree that Gon probably is one of the best written in shounen heroes, I mean Edward Elric, shall I dare say, ain't got jack shit on Gon.

With most shounen heroes, its about over comming the dark side and coming out on top wether it be bitter or sweet. Hell even with some villan protaonists, like say... light yagami, from what I can tell is simply one of those examples where the dark side took over him and he failed at it.

The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

Never watched/read FMA. Any good?

Light I think although a great character tends to be a little overrated.
Put it this way...Volumes 5 and 6 when Light was "good" are incredibly boring.
Light is only interesting because of what he is doing not so much for who he is.
On the other hand take Gon. Thinking about it, watching someone fish...is dull.
But Gon makes it interesting because of what he is thinking, how he acts, etc.

Yeah I wouldn't call Gon evil. However I think he's walking a fine line.

^And maybe that's why we like him so much (even if he is not your favorite in the series), somehow he seems human =]

and sometimes he doesn't seem human at all

I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?



Of course the Hunter exam is more important for Gon but the way you worded it, you're saying that Gon was not sad and hurt to end his friendship to Kon. The last two panels says otherwise:

Spoiler

Oh I don't think Gon wasn't sad or hurt about it. Not at all.
I'm saying that friendship is clearly secondary to his ambition.
I don't mean that in a Gon doesn't care way. But that it just
shows how important the hunter exam is to Gon.


It looks to me he's running away from the pain instead of running back home.

Could be. Again I don't think he's not sad.

Gon knows it will be complicated for both of them if they remain friends and continue to see each other since "hunters", by virtue of their work, are animals' enemies. Being the "lord of the forest", Kon will be in a difficult situation - he might lost his status and endanger his family - if he persist to remain friends with a "hunter". Kon acknowledged what Gon is saying and left... but not before saying "good bye (forever)" to the Gon-the-kid-who-raised-him-and-became-his-friend because the next time they'll see him, it will be Gon-the-hunter who'll come back.

Why do you think Kon never shows his face to Gon again?

Yes I know. I understand this.

It amused me when you compare Naruto-Sasuke's "friendship" to Gon-Killua's. Are you hinting something there since most Naruto fans think Naruto's gay for Sasuke?

Not hinting anything. Just saying there are people who think that.
You can view the characters a lot of different ways is what I'm saying.

These panels disagree with you:

Spoiler

The red rectangle part sounds to me like if Killua doesn't hurry up and leave soon, Gon won't be able to let him go.

Heh. Actually those panels are agreeing with me. Why? Actions speak louder than
words. Again, I'm NOT saying Gon DOES NOT want to hang out with Killua. OF COURSE
HE DOES. But he clearly wants to talk to Ging MORE. How do I know? Because
that's what he does. Gon clearly cherishes the friendship. But right now it's an
obstacle to his goal.

Even Alluka knows they're full of shit. Check out their faces on the last panel. It's at odds to the cheeriness of their goodbye:

Spoiler

Yeah but like I said. I'm not trying to suggest Gon doesn't care about his
friendships with Kon or Killua. Obviously he values them very highly.
But meeting Ging is MORE important than friendship or family to Gon.

and yet, I don't see the story as "Gon looking for his father" but rather
"Gon looking for Ging who happens to be his father". It's the persuit that matters.

Gon is a True Neutral. The "wild cards" characters fall on this alignment.

I think shareme wanted to know if Gon actually says that in the manga, or if it's a line added by Viz.

this

 

[Crude]

What I want to know is how Rievehlt can go through doors with big monster truck wheels on his weelchair...

 

[Pokymonn]

What I want to know is how Rievehlt can go through doors with big monster truck wheels on his weelchair...

Probably he sleeps in the hall and takes the lift when he wants to go to other floors.

 

[futurefrog]

Rievehlt just smashes down walls, screw doors, hes got a monster wheel chair!

 

[fanatik]

I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?

It says: 子供を捨ててでも続けたいと思う仕事なんだね。ハンターってそれだけすごい仕事なんだね。
The closest translation I can come up with without making it sound completely non-English would be this: Being a hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid. Being a hunter must be that amazing.

Gon is a True Neutral. The "wild cards" characters fall on this alignment.

Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

 

[mrsticky005]

It says: 子供を捨ててでも続けたいと思う仕事なんだね。ハンターってそれだけすごい仕事なんだね。
The closest translation I can come up with without making it sound completely non-English would be this: Being a hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid. Being a hunter must be that amazing.

Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

So then I guess Viz did add the part in about "being a hunter isn't for weaklings"?

Unless Viz just got a different version (is that raw from Jump or the Volumes?)

And that's the translation for the whole page, right?

 

[futurefrog]

Viz's version of the line seems to be more along the lines of Gon thinking that being a Hunter means being strong, strong enough to leave your family behind. It's a bit of a different message but not one in-congruent with the themes of the series.

 

[xScar]

I doubt there's a different version of this page. My TEASURE v1 has this same on.

And yes, that's the whole page TL for Gon:
Top left: Being a Hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid.
Bottom right: Being a Hunter... / must be that amazing.

It's just a liberal TL. It's not surprising. I don't think it's really out of character or the themes of the series either, so it really doesn't matter...

 

[fanatik]

Unless Viz just got a different version (is that raw from Jump or the Volumes?)

And that's the translation for the whole page, right?

This page is from the volume raw. And yep, it's the whole page translation

Viz's version of the line seems to be more along the lines of Gon thinking that being a Hunter means being strong, strong enough to leave your family behind. It's a bit of a different message but not one in-congruent with the themes of the series.

I know you like Viz's translation of HxH, and, of course, you're free to like what you like, but I, for one, am not really a fan of it. Stylistic concerns aside, one of the reasons I'm not particularily fond of it is that they tend to change stuff in places where I personally just don't see the need to do that. Gon's line is one example. As a result, nuances get lost, sometimes it even messes things up a little... Of course, a good chunk of nuances will be lost in translation anyway, simply because of the fact that it is a translation and not the original text in its original language, but there are cases where they could've kept them but hadn't.

Off the top of my head, the way they handled the term 'Danchou'. I remember it because of many eyerolls it caused me. They simply substituted it with his given name. OK, one way to handle it, except the Ryodan members never use his name, and one time they do (Nobunaga, in particular) the contrast it creates is quite important. Their using it left and right adds a level of familiarity absent in the original. This, for example, causes the scene with Nobunaga objecting Kuroro's order to lose some of its grave implications. The phrase was something like this, 'Hontou ni sorya Danchou toshite no meirei ka, Kuroro yo.' Kuroro's name is used by one of his subjects for the first time, and it is Nobunaga's way not to simply express his doubt in his leader's orders, but to outright defy Kuroro as the leader. Just by using his name, changing that level of familiarity, Nobunaga made it clear that in his eyes Kuroro is stripped of his leader status, degraded to a simple man with no authority over Nobunaga's actions and with no immunities to being attacked if it really comes down to that. In the English version, the previous constant use of Kuroro's given name renders it impossible to grasp those implications in this scene.

Not to mention it drove the translator into a self-created hole in Kuroro's conversation with Neon when she comments how odd his name sounds, and he says to her that his comrades usually call him 'Danchou' instead of his name, to which she replies that's even weirder. Yeah, yeah, I know they found a way out by completely altering the line and having him say, 'My friends seem to like it though' or something like that, but was there any sort of need to drive themselves into that metaphorical hole in the first place? Why not just use 'boss' from the beginning as the most natural and easiest way of translating the word 'Danchou' and avoid all that convulsive dance around a simple thing like this completely?

Another thing I remember is when Kuroro calls his gang after his fight with the two Zoldycks. In Viz's version he says, 'Forget the ambulance'. In the Japanese it was, 'Kyuukyuusha wo osou na' - 'Don't attack the ambulance'. His order outright forbade the rest of his gang to touch that ambulance carrying Neon, and it's an important detail because of what Kuroro's conditions for use of the stolen abilities are: the original owner must remain alive. The ambulance must not be attacked. So the question is, why change a simple direct translation, nevertheless loaded with importance, to something that disregards that importance when there's no need? I just can't agree with that.

So in the end, I never really bought the entire Viz's version, having only a few of their volumes which I hardly ever touch, preferring to just stick with Japanese editions and collect them instead.

In all likelihood, what I said isn't going to change your mind, and I'm fine with that, but let's just say that when I want to check something, find an argument or refresh a particular scene in memory, I take my japanese volumes and never Viz's.

 

[mrsticky005]

Well just for the record I'm fine with the added line and all of Viz's translation in HxH in general.
I ain't gonna lie. I don't understand Japanese so for all I know ALL of Viz's translation is incorrect.
However even so the Viz translation does what I think is the most crucial element of translation:
It's understandable. Reading the volumes is actually enjoyable and not a task.
Sorry, I know Manga Editors are doing a free service and all (which I'm thankful for) and they may
even be more accurate in the translation (not that I would know though) but when it
comes down to clarity Viz wins hands down. Perhaps at the cost of a more liberal translation.
But honestly that's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make.

So why did I ask...
Well because the line stood out to me and when I checked the scans it wasn't there.
So I wondered did the scans leave it out or did Viz add it in? Looks like this time the
scans were more accurate. But again, I still prefer Viz. I mean I did pay for it. :P

Besides...It's an awesome line. Added or not.

---------- Post added at 03:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 AM ----------

This page is from the volume raw. And yep, it's the whole page translation

I know you like Viz's translation of HxH, and, of course, you're free to like what you like, but I, for one, am not really a fan of it. Stylistic concerns aside, one of the reasons I'm not particularily fond of it is that they tend to change stuff in places where I personally just don't see the need to do that. Gon's line is one example. As a result, nuances get lost, sometimes it even messes things up a little... Of course, a good chunk of nuances will be lost in translation anyway, simply because of the fact that it is a translation and not the original text in its original language, but there are cases where they could've kept them but hadn't.

Off the top of my head, the way they handled the term 'Danchou'. I remember it because of many eyerolls it caused me. They simply substituted it with his given name. OK, one way to handle it, except the Ryodan members never use his name, and one time they do (Nobunaga, in particular) the contrast it creates is quite important. Their using it left and right adds a level of familiarity absent in the original. This, for example, causes the scene with Nobunaga objecting Kuroro's order to lose some of its grave implications. The phrase was something like this, 'Hontou ni sorya Danchou toshite no meirei ka, Kuroro yo.' Kuroro's name is used by one of his subjects for the first time, and it is Nobunaga's way not to simply express his doubt in his leader's orders, but to outright defy Kuroro as the leader. Just by using his name, changing that level of familiarity, Nobunaga made it clear that in his eyes Kuroro is stripped of his leader status, degraded to a simple man with no authority over Nobunaga's actions and with no immunities to being attacked if it really comes down to that. In the English version, the previous constant use of Kuroro's given name renders it impossible to grasp those implications in this scene.

Not to mention it drove the translator into a self-created hole in Kuroro's conversation with Neon when she comments how odd his name sounds, and he says to her that his comrades usually call him 'Danchou' instead of his name, to which she replies that's even weirder. Yeah, yeah, I know they found a way out by completely altering the line and having him say, 'My friends seem to like it though' or something like that, but was there any sort of need to drive themselves into that metaphorical hole in the first place? Why not just use 'boss' from the beginning as the most natural and easiest way of translating the word 'Danchou' and avoid all that convulsive dance around a simple thing like this completely?

Another thing I remember is when Kuroro calls his gang after his fight with the two Zoldycks. In Viz's version he says, 'Forget the ambulance'. In the Japanese it was, 'Kyuukyuusha wo osou na' - 'Don't attack the ambulance'. His order outright forbade the rest of his gang to touch that ambulance carrying Neon, and it's an important detail because of what Kuroro's conditions for use of the stolen abilities are: the original owner must remain alive. The ambulance must not be attacked. So the question is, why change a simple direct translation, nevertheless loaded with importance, to something that disregards that importance when there's no need? I just can't agree with that.

So in the end, I never really bought the entire Viz's version, having only a few of their volumes which I hardly ever touch, preferring to just stick with Japanese editions and collect them instead.

In all likelihood, what I said isn't going to change your mind, and I'm fine with that, but let's just say that when I want to check something, find an argument or refresh a particular scene in memory, I take my japanese volumes and never Viz's.

Interesting.

Well like I said I'm not too picky on that kind of stuff. But I do think that was a bit informative and enjoyed it.
Since I don't understand Japanese it would be kind of pointless of me to order Japanese volumes so for
me it's a bit of a convenience factor with the Viz volumes. And besides I rather not pay an arm and a leg for shipping from Japan.

Anywho thanks fanatik.

 

[fanatik]

Well just for the record I'm fine with the added line and all of Viz's translation in HxH in general.
I ain't gonna lie. I don't understand Japanese so for all I know ALL of Viz's translation is incorrect.
However even so the Viz translation does what I think is the most crucial element of translation:
It's understandable. Reading the volumes is actually enjoyable and not a task.
Sorry, I know Manga Editors are doing a free service and all (which I'm thankful for) and they may
even be more accurate in the translation (not that I would know though) but when it
comes down to clarity Viz wins hands down. Perhaps at the cost of a more liberal translation.
But honestly that's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make.

That's why I'm saying to each their own, and I'm cool with others liking it as long as they don't force it on me or make me buy it . Also, I agree that buying a book you can't read for a ripoff price (if we add high delivery costs) is at the very least impractical for most people and is hardly worth it.

I might also mention that the translation guidelines in Editing and in the world of professional translations are very different. Clarity and readability that you mentioned are the defining rules for this type of translation in the pro world, so basically any kind of change is allowed as long as the general meaning is preserved and the translation gets the point across. However, the most competent tranlsations are those that change things as little as possible while at the same keeping the translation clear and readable. This can be a very challenging task.

As for Edited Mangas... Yorkshin arc in particular leaves so much to be desired that I won't even mention it. Viz's done an almost perfect job in comparison...

 

[shareme]

@mrsticky005

As I've said, it all comes down to how you word it as it comes across that Gon discards those who've helped him without a second thought and without care. It's like I'm looking at Hisoka rather than Gon so my posts are all about his reluctance to part ways but he must since it's practical to do so.

Also according to this translator, the one who suggested that Gon need to have a "private" chat with his father is Killua. Probably more excuse for Gon's benefit as one of his "goals" at the end of GI arc is to introduce Killua as his bestfriend to Ging.

Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

People who fall on Chaotic Good are those who thinks that by doing things, even if it falls on "chaotic" category, if it brings "good [of many]" afterwards then it's fine. They are the end justified the means type.



Off topic: We're talking about stuff not yet occurring on the '11 anime. No one's complaining so I guess there's no "new fan" here.

 

[Netero]

^Yeah, I think everybody here has at least watched the 1999 anime or read the manga lol.