Discussion If Luffy was ever defeated !?

[jamarTheDem]

Two Years have passed since Luffy was defeated in a fight (not including scrimmages) . He's now stronger , faster , smarter (combat wise) and a fierce Haki user . He's been mowing down his enemies one by one but let's say a new enemy or a Old enemy comes back for a fight which characters have a chance of beating him ? It could be friends or foe but what characters do you guys/gals think can put our Straw Hat friend in his place ?

Try not to state any Yonkou but if you do so please tell us why and not only because of rumors and unknown strength . Two Years is a very long time and character development is a key point in this manga .

I would put a poll but One Piece characters range is outstanding .

 

[Fox666]

The Shichibukai, Admirals or the likes of Marco are still a bit out of Luffy league. Plus there are the other Supernovas, whom Luffy victory against is not grantee.

 

[M3J]

Crocodile is a good candidate, as he'd be more thorough this time. Magellan is out as Luffy developed a resistance to his poison.

 

[Fox666]

Luffy may have developed a resistance to poison, but maybe not for too much poison?

And I agree, Crocodile may have been stronger than the current Luffy from the beggining of the series. And Rob Lucci could have gotten strong enough to match Luffy.

 

[M3J]

I dunno, he'd have to make a lake full of so many different kinds of poison and dump Luffy 10 feet under there for there to be enough poison to affect Luffy. Magellan did do a thorough job in poisoning him.

 

[KingOfNight]

I dunno, he'd have to make a lake full of so many different kinds of poison and dump Luffy 10 feet under there for there to be enough poison to affect Luffy. Magellan did do a thorough job in poisoning him.

Or he could use the Kinjite Poison which would destroy Luffy completely.

 

[milek]

Crocodile and Lucci are not stronger than Luffy.

Luffy is probably on same distance that was before 2 years.

They all uses haki now.

Luffy is on similar level to admiral. Probably between admiral and vice-admiral, closer to admiral level but still not admiral level.

 

[Mohsen]

I would assume that all the big shots of the past generation are still too much for Luffy to handle. Shakky said 2 years ago that Raleigh alone is like 100 times stronger than Luffy and honestly I doubt Luffy got 100 times stronger than his past self.
I see Luffy still far away from the likes of Kuzan,Kizaru,Raleigh,Sengoku,Garp,Akainu and co. If Roger needed a lot of time to become as strong as he is that he could take on any enemy then Luffy will most likely need as much if more time than Roger to reach that strength.
Roger was shown starting his adventure in his twenty's when he first met Raleigh but become PK in his 40. So if Roger needed like 20 years I can't understand how it is even possible to think that Luffy reached the strength of the top dogs in like 2 years.
He got stronger ok but only so strong that he and his crew would be able to take on an admiral together without getting trashed completly like in the past.
So the likes of Yonkou,Garp,Raleigh,Sengoku,Admirals and Kuzan who all are expert haki users in one way or another are still out of Luffy's reach in a one on one fight.

 

[desin24]

I would assume that all the big shots of the past generation are still too much for Luffy to handle. Shakky said 2 years ago that Raleigh alone is like 100 times stronger than Luffy and honestly I doubt Luffy got 100 times stronger than his past self.
I see Luffy still far away from the likes of Kuzan,Kizaru,Raleigh,Sengoku,Garp,Akainu and co. If Roger needed a lot of time to become as strong as he is that he could take on any enemy then Luffy will most likely need as much if more time than Roger to reach that strength.
Roger was shown starting his adventure in his twenty's when he first met Raleigh but become PK in his 40. So if Roger needed like 20 years I can't understand how it is even possible to think that Luffy reached the strength of the top dogs in like 2 years.
He got stronger ok but only so strong that he and his crew would be able to take on an admiral together without getting trashed completly like in the past.
So the likes of Yonkou,Garp,Raleigh,Sengoku,Admirals and Kuzan who all are expert haki users in one way or another are still out of Luffy's reach in a one on one fight.

100 times stronger than all supernovae together!! Not just luffy^^

Since we haven't seen luffy anywhere close to going all out we can't assess his current strength properly. I personally consider Doflamingo as near Admiral lvl so Luffy is already quite high up the food chain. I don't think the gap is as astronomic as before between him and the top tier. He becomes stronger by facing powerful opponents so after beating Doflamingo and then Kaido later or sooner he will power ups immensely on screen and not during the timeskip

 

[amidaru312]

Whoa dude, no way. Admirals are meant to be the big dogs who can match even the strongest of the new worlds.... It'd be weird if he got THAT strong, the manga would be boring.

He's stronger now, but then again, while he was getting stronger, so was everybody else.

 

[jamarTheDem]

If Enel developed CoA I'm pretty sure he could Mop Luffy right now .

I also feel Jinbe could top Luffy in a straight fist fight .

Dragon and Sabo is a no brainer .

Mihawk , Kuma & Doflamingo (happening right now) could also match Luffy , Mihawk would probably dust him although .

 

[M3J]

Or he could use the Kinjite Poison which would destroy Luffy completely.

What is that poison?

 

[KingOfNight]

What is that poison?

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2654-4/one-piece/chapter-547.html

 

[Mohsen]

Actually the list of people who would trash Luffy is quite long.
-Dragon and Sabo were already mentioned.
-Mihawk is the natural enemy of Luffy and I doubt that Luffy can make his body hard enough to stop a slice of hawkeyes.
-Garp ( He pulverizes mountains with his bare fists and is with 70 so fast that Sanji couldn't even react to him moving so if Garp ever lands a fist on Luffy's body Luffy is done for.)
Sengoku(took on all of the BB crew and didn't seem to struggle so I doubt Luffy would be able to do it)
Akainu,Aokoji,Kizaru
Raleigh
Shanks,Kaidou(It is being said that the Yonkous are near equal in strength and that is why they are dividing the NW among themselves so if Shanks is stronger than Luffy then so is BIg Mum and Kaidou)

So Luffy still has a long way to go with his crew until he reaches the power to be able to protect them on his own like Roger did at his time.

 

[jamarTheDem]

Actually the list of people who would trash Luffy is quite long.
-Dragon and Sabo were already mentioned.
-Mihawk is the natural enemy of Luffy and I doubt that Luffy can make his body hard enough to stop a slice of hawkeyes.
-Garp ( He pulverizes mountains with his bare fists and is with 70 so fast that Sanji couldn't even react to him moving so if Garp ever lands a fist on Luffy's body Luffy is done for.)
Sengoku(took on all of the BB crew and didn't seem to struggle so I doubt Luffy would be able to do it)
Akainu,Aokoji,Kizaru
Raleigh
Shanks,Kaidou(It is being said that the Yonkous are near equal in strength and that is why they are dividing the NW among themselves so if Shanks is stronger than Luffy then so is BIg Mum and Kaidou)

So Luffy still has a long way to go with his crew until he reaches the power to be able to protect them on his own like Roger did at his time.

I can agree with most of your choices but I feel your not including Haki----The ability to hit Logia's . The 3 Admiral(Ex) indeed incorporated their respected Devil Fruit abilities in combat , so it's hard to say how bad Luffy would do even though I know he'd lose . Haki is the level the Admirals mentioned at the war .

Where was it stated the Yonkou were equal I'm strength ? It seem to me that Whitebeard was the strongest , but he was old and sickly . If anything Shanks and Kidou was be close to equal while Big mom is below them . Shanks was most likely be the closest to Whitebeard including Blackbeard .

I agree though the journey is long I guess that's why we going to have another 10 years for Luffy and the Straw Hats to meet New Years top tiers and later claim One Piece . I do although think Luffy can save his friends like Roger , we seen him protecting a Giant Mermaid already from random flying Axes . Lol

 

[Mohsen]

I can agree with most of your choices but I feel your not including Haki----The ability to hit Logia's . The 3 Admiral(Ex) indeed incorporated their respected Devil Fruit abilities in combat , so it's hard to say how bad Luffy would do even though I know he'd lose . Haki is the level the Admirals mentioned at the war .

Where was it stated the Yonkou were equal I'm strength ? It seem to me that Whitebeard was the strongest , but he was old and sickly . If anything Shanks and Kidou was be close to equal while Big mom is below them . Shanks was most likely be the closest to Whitebeard including Blackbeard .

I agree though the journey is long I guess that's why we going to have another 10 years for Luffy and the Straw Hats to meet New Years top tiers and later claim One Piece . I do although think Luffy can save his friends like Roger , we seen him protecting a Giant Mermaid already from random flying Axes . Lol

Why else would the Yokous divide the NW among themselves if they weren't equal in starngth crew wise at least. I believe that the difference between them is as slim as the difference in strength between the admirals. If they weren't equal then they would have gone to conquer more territory's.

I know about Haki but all the Admirals are way above Luffy in Haki control. I mean look at Aokoji he fought a guy who nullifies his DF ability for 10 days to the death. So this shows how great the Admirals are in using Haki. Luffy can't even block a weak attack from Hodi with his CoA Haki.
There would to have be another time skip to make it believable for us readers that Luffy reached the strength to conquer the NW.

I remember the first chapters of the NW when a few of zoro fans started even to claim that Zoro already surpassed Hawkeyes? Seriously how strong do some think Luffy and co got in two years?They got strong yes so strong that they won't get butchered when they meet a strong enemy in the NW not more.

 

[M3J]

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2654-4/one-piece/chapter-547.html

Oh, thank you. Might not necessarily mean it'll beat Luffy though.

Why else would the Yokous divide the NW among themselves if they weren't equal in starngth crew wise at least. I believe that the difference between them is as slim as the difference in strength between the admirals. If they weren't equal then they would have gone to conquer more territory's.

They don't need to be equal strength. The manga, if I recall, said that they were on nearly equal strength (give or take) that if they warred with each other, both sides would take significant losses and be open to an attack from another enemy. The problem lies more in remaining strength in fighting another enemy, not necessarily from each other.


If we're now counting people that Luffy hasn't faced yet, then Dragon would definitely be one of the ones that could beat Luffy. I still think Blackbeard can as well.

 

[catagon87]

I don't think it's as simple as Luffy vs "A Yonkou" TBH. As we have seen with even Doflamingo - when the enemy has that much influence there is more to the fight than just brute strength and Luffy vs. Bossman. I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy could hold his own against a Yonkou, but maybe not defeat one. I think this arc is showing he will definitely need allies to progress through the New World.

As far as others who may defeat Luffy I think Colby. (Similar to how Mihawk inspired his own worst enemy excitedly)

 

[jamarTheDem]

Why else would the Yokous divide the NW among themselves if they weren't equal in starngth crew wise at least. I believe that the difference between them is as slim as the difference in strength between the admirals. If they weren't equal then they would have gone to conquer more territory's.

I know about Haki but all the Admirals are way above Luffy in Haki control. I mean look at Aokoji he fought a guy who nullifies his DF ability for 10 days to the death. So this shows how great the Admirals are in using Haki. Luffy can't even block a weak attack from Hodi with his CoA Haki.
There would to have be another time skip to make it believable for us readers that Luffy reached the strength to conquer the NW.

I remember the first chapters of the NW when a few of zoro fans started even to claim that Zoooro already surpassed Hawkeyes? Seriously how strong do some think Luffy and co got in two years?They got strong yes so strong that they won't get butchered when they meet a strong enemy in the NW not more.

Territory doesn't dictate strength at all . Theirs no proof that the Yonkou are equal my friend . That just speculations . Who knows how strong each Yokou is (Oda knows) , but that's all .

How cn you say all the Admiral are above Luffy Haki ? Speculation much ? Proof is needed and I never seen any Admrial I
Use it . No proof that Aokoji even used Haki against Akainu . It was probably an simple ability battle .

I don't know bout the rumors are whatever but we can agree that Luffy and co will become stronger then them . I'm pretty sure it's to be round the age they are now . It took 10 years for two years to past in One Piece .

 

[SeaOfMemories]

I think Coby will put up a good fight. We might see their clash someday. Who knows.