Discussion Irene Belserion Thread

[Jko]

She's Erza's Sister. When we saw the mothers of the series their children were like 6-10 so ofc they'd still look young but Erza is already 20, in addition the 7 year timeskip so basically 27 years after birth and you'd believe she still looks in her 20s? Unless she does some youth spell (which doesn't seem like something she'd do) I'd think she'd look a lot older than that. It would make more sense that she's her twin or sister bcs the 7 year gap would show the difference in maturity between the two.

 

[Juliana]

Hiro wouldn't do the same story again. We already have a plot twist about brothers: Natsu and Zeref.
I don't know if the girls are related... but if they are, for sure it has nothing to do to a sis and sis relation.
For those that think about the mother theory, maybe she's is using a magic likeTsunade's justu, so she can look young on any age. LOL

 

[Kyubi]

I think it's mother, but for me that's my least fave option, I think it's too easy.

I'd love for twin, future Erza, daughter or Erza from an alternate timeline.I think those are more interesting than being her mum.

Inb4 Mashima trolls us and we never find out.

 

[Dwight Zoldyck]

While others think that Erza is Irene's sister, daughter, kidney or anything. I personally think that Irene is Erza's aunt. I don't know but she just gives me that Auntie Vibe.

 

[Kiki]

As promised @Belserion. Sorry for waiting

Irene Belserion	Erza Scarlet

If Irene and Erza are indeed blood-related, Sting and co., Mira, must have recognized Irene and her resemblance with Erza.

 

[Doughboy]

Based off the recent hints she dropped, it's starting to lean towards her being Erza's mother. If so I hope she enchanted her body on some Tsunade shit or something cause just looks way too young, even for Hiro's drawing, to be a mother to me. I just don't like the mom route cause Erza said her parents died, but Hiro can finesse the explanation by mentioning Erza's memory loss I guess

 

[The President]

I'm thinking its an older sister tbh, around the age of 35-38. Looks way young to be a mother but is old enough that she has seen Brandish as a youngster and can speak to her as an elder. I speculate that when Brandish was a little girl chilling around August (who was still probably the general of the 12 at the time), Irene made her introduction into Alvarez (thinking that all her family is dead) as a young teen entering adolescence and started training under Zeref. Brandish is the same age as Erza if I am not mistaken. I believe that Erza never formally met Irene because Irene went training in solitude despite being very young (as she such vast potential that everyone in the village feared her), because of this solitude and the treatment at the hands of the other villagers she developed her sadistic nature (basically a Mirajane gone bad, maybe this is why she had an excessive amount of hatred towards her).

 

[Kiki]

I can see Irene abandoning Erza (assuming they are mother and daughter) because Erza was born weak and didn't possess MP as amazing as Irene. And Irene apparently is a woman that is so proud of her own power. So her abandoning her own daughter is possible. But then again why did she not just train Erza to become strong wizard? Erza is so famous in Fiore because of her immense power.

I wonder what will Irene's look be like if she stops her enchanting?

Dunno why but I still stick with Irene being Erza's sister. The only reasons to answer why Irene called Mira little girl and Heine-Juliet her children are 1). Mistranslations: we don't know the Crunchyroll and Japanese version, 2). Mira also looks like 19-yrs-old girl like Erza, the gap is 8 years++ between Mira and Irene.

What I wonder is what Irene said to Randi. Where has she been?

 

[sharkai]

I think she is not erza sister or her mother. Mishma already trolled us twice with chapters name.
now I am about to release the most bs crackpot theory ever, and yes I have heard of the kidney one too.

What if Eileen is a springgan.
No no
I mean an actual springgan.
Look around, we have dragons, demons, gods and mages. But no fairy. And this series title is fairy tail.
We already have a dragon. natsu
And we are about to get a demon. Gray.
I am expecting Lucy to master one magic. Mage.
And we are left with one main character. Who is nothing. And have no relation to any of the big three entities we have in this series (end zeref and aconologia)
So is erza going to become completely irrelevant? Mishma favorite girl. Seems hard to believe

The way I see it, whenever natsu wins a battle, a dragon is depicted. He represent a dragon
Whenever erza wins, we get to hear about fairy tail guild. Erza embodies Nakama speeches even more than natsu.
Erza is already known as Tatiana, the queen of fairies. A fairy

So what if erza and Eileen are two parts of one fairy. Destined to combine to become the legendary fairy.

Remember when aconologia was asking Eileen who exactly she was. What was he asking? He already knew she was zeref springgan. Why did he want to know her name.
Could it possibly be that he thinks what she did, human couldn't possibly do?

And what with those funny eyes? It doesn't look like enchanting or attaching something, things which we know Eileen is master of.

This could be an easy way for mishma to keep erza relevant without attaching her to END (gray), zeref (jellal lucy), aconologia (dragon slayers) and one magic (lucy)
And its kinda how erza is always shown.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

Based off the recent hints she dropped, it's starting to lean towards her being Erza's mother. If so I hope she enchanted her body on some Tsunade shit or something cause just looks way too young, even for Hiro's drawing, to be a mother to me. I just don't like the mom route cause Erza said her parents died, but Hiro can finesse the explanation by mentioning Erza's memory loss I guess

We really can't be sure that's true. If Irene is this good of a mage. She just fought her way through the attack when Erza was kidnapped.

 

[DarkSoulz]

We really can't be sure that's true. If Irene is this good of a mage. She just fought her way through the attack when Erza was kidnapped.

Erza was kidnapped years ago when she was a child, maybe Irene wasn't strong enough that time and became strong after Erza was kidnapped. Erza is roughly 19 years old (stated above by another member) if we add the 7 years time skip she is 25 years old, this means Irene spent like 15+ years to get strong (depending on what age Erza was kidnapped, if she was kidnapped).

 

[Belserion]

I can see Irene abandoning Erza (assuming they are mother and daughter) because Erza was born weak and didn't possess MP as amazing as Irene. And Irene apparently is a woman that is so proud of her own power. So her abandoning her own daughter is possible. But then again why did she not just train Erza to become strong wizard? Erza is so famous in Fiore because of her immense power.

I wonder what will Irene's look be like if she stops her enchanting?

Dunno why but I still stick with Irene being Erza's sister. The only reasons to answer why Irene called Mira little girl and Heine-Juliet her children are 1). Mistranslations: we don't know the Crunchyroll and Japanese version, 2). Mira also looks like 19-yrs-old girl like Erza, the gap is 8 years++ between Mira and Irene.

What I wonder is what Irene said to Randi. Where has she been?

Irene seems the type that's a member of a group but not a part of the group. Like Larcade she's probably one that doesn't go to the meetings or the Christmas parties. Maybe that's why August had attitude with her like he had with Larcade. Even to gather at Zeref's side she didn't want to go. August had to pull rank and practically force her. Even Zeref seemed surprised she showed up. So she's probably been wandering around, enchanting random objects into people so she wouldn't be lonely.

I'm leaning towards Erza being an enchantment. She has no memory loss because she has no memories! Irene was probably a lonely child, ostracized because she showed huge potential and people saw her as a monster. Erza was probably her first "human" enchantment to cure her loneliness. When Zeref or one of his henchmen kidnapped Irene poor little enchanted Erza got left behind where she wandered around "lost with no memories" before she met Jellal and the others and continued growing like normal because of Irene's wild magic that kept growing.

That's gonna be the major plot twist. If Irene dies so does Erza. So it's either hit her with Nakama no jutsu or sacrifice Erza

Hiro's not that awesome though. They'll be either sisters or Mother/Child. Erza will win by some bullshit plot twist and fairy tail will prevail. As usual.

 

[Kiki]

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[Doughboy]

So let's play recap on what we know

• Irene has shown motherly instincts.

This shown in 493 when she came to the defense of Juliet & Heine after Mira rocked them

Spoiler: 493

• Irene has family issues.

We've seen this with when the King was all caring for Hisui when Irene turned her into a rat, she was all cruel and smiling like the Joker only to get a muted face when he started breaking down for her

Spoiler: 491

• Irene doesn't fuck with Erza or Ishgar.

When Neinhart came to tell her about the news that Alvarez spotted her in battle, she told him to kill her quick, no hesitation. We also now know that Irene can't be Erza's daugther from the future on some Future Trunks shit, cause that would mean Irene would die. On Ishgar, she got silent quick when Heine brought she's from Ishgar, with Juliet saying she's not sure if she should of brought that up, only for her to laugh about it

Spoiler: 497

Spoiler: 484

• Irene doesn't sympathize with love.

This one is just my guess, cause I wondered if she did understand Zeref's love of Mavis like Invel did, but she didn't, wanting Zeref to be serious or he won't be able to beat Acno

Spoiler: 497

My analysis so far: more mom vibes. Irene had a hard/cruel upbringing, which could be deterred to why she's like this. In the case of her to be Erza's sis, maybe she was neglected by their parents and she harbors hatred for Erza for that. But signs are pointing to her mother. Still, rather it be her sis but it's getting obvious. Hiro pulling a plot twist would be sweet, make us think it's her mother but it's really not cause he's setting the stage for it be hella good. Most interesting plot hole currently going on to me

 

[Belserion]

So let's play recap on what we know

• Irene has shown motherly instincts.

This shown in 493 when she came to the defense of Juliet & Heine after Mira rocked them

Spoiler: 493

• Irene has family issues.

We've seen this with when the King was all caring for Hisui when Irene turned her into a rat, she was all cruel and smiling like the Joker only to get a muted face when he started breaking down for her

Spoiler: 491

• Irene doesn't fuck with Erza or Ishgar.

When Neinhart came to tell her about the news that Alvarez spotted her in battle, she told him to kill her quick, no hesitation. We also now know that Irene can't be Erza's daugther from the future on some Future Trunks shit, cause that would mean Irene would die. On Ishgar, she got silent quick when Heine brought she's from Ishgar, with Juliet saying she's not sure if she should of brought that up, only for her to laugh about it

Spoiler: 497

Spoiler: 484

• Irene doesn't sympathize with love.

This one is just my guess, cause I wondered if she did understand Zeref's love of Mavis like Invel did, but she didn't, wanting Zeref to be serious or he won't be able to beat Acno

Spoiler: 497

My analysis so far: more mom vibes. Irene had a hard/cruel upbringing, which could be deterred to why she's like this. In the case of her to be Erza's sis, maybe she was neglected by their parents and she harbors hatred for Erza for that. But signs are pointing to her mother. Still, rather it be her sis but it's getting obvious. Hiro pulling a plot twist would be sweet, make us think it's her mother but it's really not cause he's setting the stage for it be hella good. Most interesting plot hole currently going on to me

I agree with this. It's more mom than sister right now but I also hope it's sister. I'm wondering if she's responsible for Erza's memory loss. I'm going to be so pissed if they make Irene out to be completely heartless that she discarded Erza as a child when she showed no magical talent. It would be awful but wouldn't surprise me. Hiro did refer to her as "the ultimate evil". But I don't know. The way she treated Juliet and Heine kinda shows that she can be motherly, almost kind, and she did go taking vengeance on Mira for "killing" them. So i'm not completely sold on her being a bad mom. Too many questions and Hiro is going to drag it out. We'll probably get some answers when Neinhart confronts Erza again though so fingers crossed.

 

[DemonKing888]

I think she is not erza sister or her mother. Mishma already trolled us twice with chapters name.
now I am about to release the most bs crackpot theory ever, and yes I have heard of the kidney one too.

What if Eileen is a springgan.
No no
I mean an actual springgan.
Look around, we have dragons, demons, gods and mages. But no fairy. And this series title is fairy tail.
We already have a dragon. natsu
And we are about to get a demon. Gray.
I am expecting Lucy to master one magic. Mage.
And we are left with one main character. Who is nothing. And have no relation to any of the big three entities we have in this series (end zeref and aconologia)
So is erza going to become completely irrelevant? Mishma favorite girl. Seems hard to believe

The way I see it, whenever natsu wins a battle, a dragon is depicted. He represent a dragon
Whenever erza wins, we get to hear about fairy tail guild. Erza embodies Nakama speeches even more than natsu.
Erza is already known as Tatiana, the queen of fairies. A fairy

So what if erza and Eileen are two parts of one fairy. Destined to combine to become the legendary fairy.

Remember when aconologia was asking Eileen who exactly she was. What was he asking? He already knew she was zeref springgan. Why did he want to know her name.
Could it possibly be that he thinks what she did, human couldn't possibly do?

And what with those funny eyes? It doesn't look like enchanting or attaching something, things which we know Eileen is master of.

This could be an easy way for mishma to keep erza relevant without attaching her to END (gray), zeref (jellal lucy), aconologia (dragon slayers) and one magic (lucy)
And its kinda how erza is always shown.

I don't think Erza and Eileen are fairies but my Theory is a lot like yours. I'm going to compare Erza and Eileen to Piccolo and Kami from DragonBall
in DragonBall in order for Kami to become the guardian of earth, he had to cast away all of his negative energy to become pure of heart but by doing this Piccolo was born.

What if Eileen was seeking power and choose to cast away all of her positive energy in order to become stronger and serve Zeref. This positive energy would then float around for some time before it took the form of a little girl Erza. This line makes me believe this to be the case. Eileen has the power to attach and remove things, so what if she could remove the light within her own heart.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/494/16

This could be why Eileen has no feelings for Erza and why she would want her dead, because She is the only one who could rival her in power as well as force her to become whole again.

 

[M3J]

I'm assuming Irene could be Erza's mom, if not sister. Odd part is her wanting Erza killed, but that could be like Zeref, she can turn off her emotions and do what's necessary for her team. Likely sees Erza is detrimental to her plan who won't stop fighting for FT, so she decided Erza must die.

OR, it could be her way of testing Erza. If she's weak, she'll die; if she's strong, fuck yeah. I think this is the only indication where she showed she didn't care about Erza, otherwise I thought she cared about Erza.

 

[Vici]

Okay, I will warn it will be rambling and may sound stupid ( it even sound stupid to me )...

I think Irene Have feelings for Erza ( yes, unfortunately ) But she thought that she already close that book in her pastand move on with her own life and become strong ...
She is afraid of facing demons and Failures of her past and how it would change her ( reverse ) to something she despises and see weakness in that she choosing to throw away weakness to stay strong.
Just like in Zeref case she sees weakness in his past and tell him that it makes him weaker ( literally ) ..

Irene thought that Erza has died during Rosemary Village incident yet later she spots Erza but didn't want to approach her ( Bigger Value have something for her that she created in her new life )
Spriggans have been shown that there are groups that stick together and Neinhart and Irene probably spend some time together ( ) he knows what feelings Irene had for Erza and what relationship these two share that's why he was so surprised with Irene Order

Killing Erza sounds a little extreme but from irene new perspective and egoistic stance ( ) is the way to stay strong and survive and not become someone like in past that have failed and suffer from her own weakness

Enough of my Rambling and stupid talk ( i know it doesn't make sense but it will make sense later ) and I agree Mother vibes are stronger than anything else right now

Also, I don't understand why people think that Irene and Erza are from Nobility and Royalty...Irene is from Isghar more precise Fiore ( Rosemary judging by theme name is located in Fiore ) there is no foreshadowing that Scarlets can hold that position in Fiore but knowing Hiro he can pull out that just to show them to be more awesome

 

[GodOfDestruction]

This may be stupid but had this idea for a very long time.
What if Erza and Lucy were sisters. It could happen.
Let's just say Jude (or Layla) had Irene on the side.

 

[Kiki]

I am just feeling Irene not being blood-related to Erza is unlikely given things the author has given to Erza, like she is MC, she loves Jellal and Jellal loves her, she had her own arc about stories revolving her past (Simon, Millianna, Sho, Wally, Rob), she is one of FT's powerhouses, everyone relies on her, and now Kagura turned out to be Simon's sister. I apologize to those who theorized that Erza is actually holy part of Irene considering Irene is very good at attaching and detaching something.

I can agree to some degree with those who theorized that Erza and Irene were originally from a kingdom and they were the successors. And Neinhart was their servant/knight. But what I question is what kingdom is that? Does it still exist or did it already collapse?