Fantasy Jacob vs Wraith

[Axiomus]

He used at then very end when he put every ounce of magic he had into it. He wasn't dragonized tho.

It is still a Fire Dragon technique not FDK tech. That secret art he thought was going to end Merc and he used it right after a Demo-fist and FDK Roar. Who cares about names? He trashed Jellal without even using a named attack back in ToH lmao. He beat Rogue without a named attack and was fighting him without using them as well.

He already fought him and thought it best to use FD Iron-fist rather than FDK Demo-fist. He never fought Merc twice...He didn't even fight Merc before he fought Madmole. His FDK flames are hotter but their power depends on the effort he's using. His FD attacks have been shown several times to used as a substitute for his FDK attacks against several high tier and God tiers.

How can use say his attack power was trash when he legit manhandled base Natsu in stats while he was backed up by Lucy? Natsu resorted to using FDKM to fight Jacob which is something he has yet felt the need to use with anyone in the current arc.

The "raging flames of emotion" was the demolition fist. It's one attack. It also wasn't every ounce of magic, as he had a little bit of magic left over to fight Acnologia with. It was quite a bit though. Natsu was dragonized when he fought Acnologia. Or at least, his scarf was. Whatever was going on, he wasn't in his base mode because he had other elements for the same reason LFD isn't a base mode either. Secret arts were always on a higher level than regular attacks. They aren't regular attacks to begin with. Natsu's best secret art, his pheonix sword, isn't even something he can use without tapping into dragon force. Names generally aren't that important, but Fire Dragon King spells are a different type of flame. They're simply stronger than his regular flames. Natsu had dragon force against Jellal, and he had Atlas Flame's power against Rogue. Natsu had none of that when he was fighting Jacob inside the guild. He was using his regular, unnamed attacks against Jacob in the beginning and there's absolutely nothing special those attacks. The one named attack he used was the fire dragon's talon, and that's nowhere near his best attack.

I meant Madmole. Natsu fought Madmole twice. Once when he used sword horn, and then followed up with demolition fist. Once again when he used iron fist, and followed up with Purgatory. To suggest that Natsu immediately followed up Demolition Fist with Iron Fist is simply confusing the 2 fights.

Jacob's attack power is trash because the damage they do is trash. What has Jacob's attacks accomplished other than slightly annoy Natsu and Lucy? Manhandling Natsu when he's holding back and using attacks weaker than Makarov is meh. Natsu never "resorted" to anything. There was no desperation in the action. Natsu could have simply punched Jacob over and over against with punches as strong as the one Makarov did, and there would have been nothing that Jacob could have done as he gets pin-balled across the town. Look at how Natsu's condition is after he fight's Gajeel. He's complaining about he's running low, and that he still has to fight Laxus, Jellal, and Mirajane. With Jacob, Natsu runs straight after August without a care in the world. It's not just Natsu either. Lucy is right there beside him, pretty much in peak optimal condition. Then there's Mirajane. Mirajane fought Jacob without a takeover for the entire duration of Gray vs Invel, Natsu vs Neinhart, Natsu vs Dimaria, and halfway through Natsu vs Gray. We got all the way to Makarov using Fairy Law, and there was still a panel of Mirajane without a takeover. The fight doesn't actually end until after Irene passes out and Universe One becomes undone. Oh, and by the way, Mirajane oneshotted Jacob the second she managed to muster up enough power to use a basic Satan Soul.

Except it is exactly the same. He used an FDKM attack to finish Jacob just like he used a DF attack to finish Zeref. Secret arts are still FD spells and they have been beaten out by FD spells before.

Wraith KOed a tired Natsu who couldn't even fight back. As soon as Natsu got his magic back he completely stomped Wraith. Lucy was literally the key to saving everyone if she was out then FT would be over as Jacob would've won and like I said in other team fights with Natsu she was just fine taking the same hits that almost killed him.

Jacob has shown way better durability than Neinheart. He was no selling Base Natsu's attack until Natsu pulled out FDKM.

She still didn't scratch it until the final hit and she used a lot of MP to the point she was on the floor and could barely move. It took a lot of hits to destroy Mavis soul form and crack the shell, which Jacob did with a finger gun lol. The amount of power he had was on par with Cana using a full out FG and Mavis body had taken multiple of them beforehand. FG maxed MPF which is something Jura couldn't do and she did that without breaking a sweat, current Cana should be way above that and she used multiple FG just to do what one attack Jacob did.

The attacks that Natsu used to finish Zeref and Jacob were not the exact same. With Zeref, Natsu stacked an Fire Dragon King spell on top of dragon force. When that didn't work, Natsu used his flames of emotion to boost his fire dragon king spell to it's limits. With Jacob, Natsu just hit him with demolition fist and it was honestly overkill. Sure, you can say he had the mode, but the mode is nothing more than Natsu releasing some of his fire dragon king flames. The attacks that Natsu used inside the guild were still regular, unnamed attacks. He was holding back. That just goes to show us that Natsu didn't think Jacob was a major threat. He even criticized Makarov for punching Jacob through the walls. Jacob wasn't an opponent Natsu was willing to go all out against if it meant that he would ruin his guild. He would rather sit around and face-tank Jacob's attacks, and beat him down over time. If Jacob was a serious threat like Zeref was, Natsu would have just said "screw it" and blew a hole in the wall.

Natsu still had fire against Wraith, and his thought projection's strength was still scaled to Madmole's level. He was also throwing a bunch of punches against Wraith. They simply weren't landing. Just because Natsu was "weak for Natsu' doesn't mean he was weakened below anyone else. "Weak for Natsu" is still well above Lucy and Mirajane with no takeovers, which Jacob can't take down.

The only hit from Fairy Glitter that Cana used all out was the last one. The last hit was also the hit that did all the damage to the crystal (minus Jacob's crack). We were told that Cana couldn't bring herself to go all out against Mavis earlier. So what does that tell us? That Cana's Fairy Glitter is trash when she doesn't go all out (not actually that surprising considering, Bluenote can beat Fairy Glitter when Cana first tried it against him) and that when Cana is serious with glitter she blows Jacob out of the water.

 

[Seven777]

Bcs you're saying Neinheart is weak so and you don't think Jellal is so how is Neinheart weak when he KOed Jellal in one hit. And Neinheart drew blood drawn from Natsu while the fodder were getting decimated by him so he did put more effort in fight Neinheart than fodder.

Except Natsu put more effort in beating Jacob than he did those fodders and everything below Jacob's tier. He needed FDKM to win bcs his base form was getting manhandle.

Natsu in the Alvarez arc had nigh endless stamina as well, the only thing that taxed him to zero was DF and Igneel's magical power. Currently he's getting taxed by his LFD and Base form only lol.

Did I say that? I mean I guess I could have, I say spriggans are weak every other comment, but I don't remember saying anything like that about Neinhart specifically lately.

You just said the name of the spell doesn't matter, the effort does. So Natsu using FDKM means as little as Natsu using Demolition Fist against fodders.

Current Natsu has tonnes of stamina too, he hit Madmole with 2 FDK attacks and several FD attacks in the same battle without exhausting himself. In fact I don't think he has ever used 2 FDK attacks in a single battle before.

As for exhausting himself with LFD and stuff, you don't know what else he used in that battle, and even if you did, didn't you just say effort is not determined by the name of the attack lol? In fact in this very comment you specifically said that because Neinhart drew blood from Natsu and the fodder didn't, that means he put more effort in the fight with Neinhart. Well guess what? Gajeel drew blood from Natsu, a lot more of it than Neinhart, and you know who didn't draw blood from Natsu? Jacob.

 

[WoWfan]

Jacob’s power is equal to that of the other spriggans, it is as simple as that, and Spriggans scale to either attacks that can wipe out countries or possess the energy of country level (while Neinhart is special), while Larcade, August and Irene are stronger

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Jacob stomps. Wraith is not that powerful to begin with ; I wouldn't even rank him above the likes of Lucy/Wendy in stats.

Jacob can see ghosts and touch/hurt them, so Wraith stands no chances, unless he absorps Jacob's soul.

Jacob can just use Transport to finish this quickly. Unless it doesn't work on ghosts. It didn't worked on Mavis, isn't it?