Japanese Comic Ranking, Updated

[zzigg]

Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

New volumes of Hunter X Hunter, Kuroko no Basuke, Saint Young Men, Bleach, Toriko in top 5

Rank

1

Hunter × Hunter 31


Est.
Weekly
Copies

684,299

Est.
Total
Copies

684,299


Publisher

Shueisha


always big hxh

 

[Phantron]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

HXH's numbers once again prove that hard work do not matter. I bet plenty of authors look at HXH and say 'why are we working so hard week after week for???'

 

[Salce]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

HXH's numbers once again prove that hard work do not matter. I bet plenty of authors look at HXH and say 'why are we working so hard week after week for???'

Well, if you compare one volume of HxH with one volume of Kuroko, HxH sells more.
But Kuroko no Basket's author has won a lot more than Togashi this year, because he works harder and releases about 5 volumes a year.

 

[Uriel]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Still, if we compare work versus reward...

But we have to credit Togashi, He climbed his ass off to be in this position.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

I knew HUNTER x HUNTER was going to be the most sold manga this week ever since they announced vols 31 and 32 lol 32 will also be number 1.

@Phantron : Because not everyone can go on hiatus every 20 chapters for 1 year and still sell millions off of just ONE volume Togashi is BOSS.

 

[futurefrog]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Togashi has earned this over 30 years making manga, his name is now enough to sell a manga alone.
He is one of the most well-respected mangaka still in the game.
For over 30 years of career, he has created countless classic manga.
There is a reason he is considered one of the 3 Ts.
These sales don't lie, Togashi is a true visionary and all the hard work in the world doesn't necessarily mean quality.
Togashi takes breaks a lot yes, but his story quality never drops, he is always telling amazing stories that will go down in history as some of the greatest.
Good on Togashi and can't wait to see Volume 32 at number 1!

 

[Phantron]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Togashi has only one major success prior to HXH and usually people don't get away with this kind of laziness for just being successful once.

Sure he's talented but there's nothing normal or even deserved about HXH. Togashi pretty much lives a dream job for the lazy artist. Do your job whenever you want and still make millions.

 

[leiatte]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Togashi has only one major success prior to HXH and usually people don't get away with this kind of laziness for just being successful once.

Sure he's talented but there's nothing normal or even deserved about HXH. Togashi pretty much lives a dream job for the lazy artist. Do your job whenever you want and still make millions.

I agree with you, Im a big fan of Yu Yu Hakusho, and I really like Hunter X Hunter, but Togashi seems to sell every time for some reason, when others have worked a lot harder recently at least.

Togashi is great, but other successful mangaka aren't as lazy, take Akira Toriyama he created Dr. Slump, and Dragon Ball which are two extremely popular manga (Dr. Slump mostly in japan), how popular was Cowa, I liked it.

but back on topic, Hiromu Arakawa, FMA and her new manga Silver Spoon is popular as well, but she isn't taking year off hiatus'. Yes, I know Togashi can do what he wants too but he seems to be a very special case, and Im starting to think these Hiatus' are on purpose to maximize profits or something, but I think the anime is going to catch up at this rate.

Though, I wont fault him, he has a pretty good set up, and If I were in his position I'd probably want to do something similar, I have done my fair share of slacking off as well.

 

[EverEndingStory]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

If the quality of his book is greater than the quality of another person's, shouldn't his sell more?

Should another mangaka who churns out manga consistently at a low level really DESERVE to be making more - granted, they probably WILL make more, overall. But I mean on a volume-to-volume basis. Do they deserve more?

And given the time-span between releases, it wouldn't be a leap to believe that, though another mangaka puts in more work overall, Togashi puts in a greater amount of work for each chapter and volume? That 1 chapter of HxH takes more effort then 1 chapter of Toriko, or Naruto, or something?

In this case, a greater amount of work is being paid off, as more work went into 1 volume of Hunter x Hunter then 1 volume of another manga.

Though whether or not this is the case is a question, it is something to consider.

If anyone knows American music, they know who Lil Wayne is. In 2008 Lil Wayne released (either as the main artist or as a feature) over 500 tracks. That's more than 1 track a day. That is, to a large degree, more prolific than probably any other artist of that year - yet for some of those verses, he literally just walks into a studio, spits a dumb freestyle, and walks out with a paycheck - literally putting in 1 minute of work for 1 minute of rapping.

Does he deserve more money/fame/respect then an artist who might, yes, take some breaks, but then spend a painstaking amount of time on each song for an album, and thus only get an album out every 2-3 years?

 

[Phantron]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

I'm not convinced Togashi puts more effort to produce a chapter of HXH compared to anyone else producing a chapter of whatever, but even if it does it's not like Shonen Jump even cares about these things.

In the end Shonen Jump is something that cares about the bottom line which is why it's very odd Togashi is able to get away with this stuff. Naruto has sold more than HXH + YYH combined but you sure don't expect Naruto to just take an year off like right now and get away with it.

Perhaps it says more about how there isn't anything else out there that's selling which is why Shonen Jump, an organization that is never known for flexiability, puts up with this kind of behavior.

 

[EverEndingStory]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Looking at it that way, then, Shonen Jump probably puts up with it due to the dedication of the fanbase. Looking it up, I see that, while Naruto has 4-7 manga volumes released a year, for Hunter x Hunter there is a year gap between every grouping of 2-3 volumes, sometimes being as bad as one volume released a year for a span of years, and there was nearly a two year gap between volumes 27 and 28. But if the fans are dedicated enough to still respond to that schedule, then there is no reason for Shonen Jump to not let him keep it. It's the reason why a band like Tool can go 5 years between album releases, or why Daniel Day Lewis doesn't need a new starring role every year (or couple of years) to stay relevant.

 

[zzigg]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

^​

right
and who would resist a volume cover like this

we hope just to hear news about the return.... actually togashi may make his hiatsu even longer after this numbers of sales
damn
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[GingFuriksu]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

^​

right
and who would resist a volume cover like this

we hope just to hear news about the return.... actually togashi may make his hiatsu even longer after this numbers of sales
damn
​

Nah I doubt it. 500K - 600K is about how much a HxH volume sells in a week, its not anything unusual. Another reason being is because Togashi said he doesn't want the anime to catch up with the manga. And lastly, March 2013 is HxH's 15th Anniversary, that's why I keep saying he's going to return in March (but hopefully sooner) I can't wait till all the mangaka that like HxH draw their versions of the manga :3 I know Inoue-Sensei is a fan.

 

[futurefrog]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

One thing that many of you don't understand is how successful Togashi really is.
Take a look at this http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2012-10-23/top-10-shonen-jump-manga-by-all-time-volume-sales

As you can see Yu Yu Hakusho is seated at the number 10 spot.
Now take into account that Yu Yu Hakusho sold that much with only 19 volumes.
Now look at JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for example which has 100+ volumes.
The difference in sales is not very much.

Even compare Hunter x Hunter's 31 volumes with JoJo's Bizarre Adventures 100+
It's simply incredible that Togashi can put out so little amount of content but still be highly successful.
The reason is that the quality of the product speaks for itself. No knocking JoJo's here just comparison of sales.

Togashi is not the same person as all the other mangaka, he has been making manga for a very long time.
The only mangaka who matches him in time as a mangaka and still going is Araki (JoJo)
Even Araki has slowed his pace dramatically, only putting out 1 a month, sometimes there is few month hiatuses.
Even Berserk has the same issues.

These are mangaka who have been doing this job for around 30 years since they debuted with their one-shots.
They are all old men now, pushing 50. They have families and health concerns, yet they still make manga.
I never will understand people being ungrateful to mangaka like Togashi, acting like he should work the same schedule as the young mangaka.
When you're in your late 40s, have 2 kids and a wife, would you really be able to do this job at a regular pace?
Being a mangaka means that you must spend every waking moment working pretty much.
I respect Togashi and I know if I was in his position I'd pace myself as well, we don't want another Yu Yu Hakusho incident now do we?

 

[Jmizzle]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

Togashi has earned this over 30 years making manga, his name is now enough to sell a manga alone.
He is one of the most well-respected mangaka still in the game.
For over 30 years of career, he has created countless classic manga.
There is a reason he is considered one of the 3 Ts.
These sales don't lie, Togashi is a true visionary and all the hard work in the world doesn't necessarily mean quality.
Togashi takes breaks a lot yes, but his story quality never drops, he is always telling amazing stories that will go down in history as some of the greatest.
Good on Togashi and can't wait to see Volume 32 at number 1!

Seriosuly, imagine if Akira Toriyama was still making manga, it would sell like crazy off his name alone.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

I'm not convinced Togashi puts more effort to produce a chapter of HXH compared to anyone else producing a chapter of whatever, but even if it does it's not like Shonen Jump even cares about these things.

In the end Shonen Jump is something that cares about the bottom line which is why it's very odd Togashi is able to get away with this stuff. Naruto has sold more than HXH + YYH combined but you sure don't expect Naruto to just take an year off like right now and get away with it.

Perhaps it says more about how there isn't anything else out there that's selling which is why Shonen Jump, an organization that is never known for flexiability, puts up with this kind of behavior.

Yeah but HxH + YYH = 50 volumes. Naruto has 13 more volumes than YYH/HxH and it BARELY sold more. I think Naruto only sold a couple thousand more. If Togashi had 13 more volumes he'd have waaaay more total sales than Kishi. One HxH vol. gets like 2-3 million copies sold.

 

[leiatte]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

FutureFrog: Im not trying to be ungrateful, I appreciate What Togashi has done, and Im glad he's creating Hunter X Hunter , I don't mind that he is taking a hiatus' either as there are plenty of other manga to keep me busy, and these Hiatus' may help him craft the story better.

but, I won't act like Togashi can do no wrong, I know he isn't as young as he used to be and Im not trying to fault him because I believe he cares about the story he is creating, If he didn't why would he still be writing. I just think that Jump is really bending over backwards for him, and I don't know whats happening in Togashi's life, so I can't really make a fair judgement for that.

but, one other thing i want to bring up, is why doesn't Togashi just go monthly, even though I prefer weekly especially for him, they moved D. Grayman's author to Jump SQ, after she went on Hiatus 2 or 3 times because she fell ill, and she still takes breaks often, but not year long breaks anymore, so Im just wondering.

I really do appreciate what Togashi has done for us, and I really like the stories that he tells. Im fine with the Hiatus' like I said before, I don't mind too much, and I prefer it if it helps the him create a better story.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

FutureFrog: Im not trying to be ungrateful, I appreciate What Togashi has done, and Im glad he's creating Hunter X Hunter , I don't mind that he is taking a hiatus' either as there are plenty of other manga to keep me busy, and these Hiatus' may help him craft the story better.

but, I won't act like Togashi can do no wrong, I know he isn't as young as he used to be and Im not trying to fault him because I believe he cares about the story he is creating, If he didn't why would he still be writing. I just think that Jump is really bending over backwards for him, and I don't know whats happening in Togashi's life, so I can't really make a fair judgement for that.

but, one other thing i want to bring up, is why doesn't Togashi just go monthly, even though I prefer weekly especially for him, they moved D. Grayman's author to Jump SQ, after she went on Hiatus 2 or 3 times because she fell ill, and she still takes breaks often, but not year long breaks anymore, so Im just wondering.

I really do appreciate what Togashi has done for us, and I really like the stories that he tells. Im fine with the Hiatus' like I said before, I don't mind too much, and I prefer it if it helps the him create a better story.

This all just my predictions, but I think he doesn't move it to a Monthly magazine because Weekly JUMP is the magazine that gets you the most money. ( pretty sure ) And also he still won't go on a monthly schedule lol Togashi likes to take breaks and spend time with his family. That's why he's gone for MONTHS.

 

[Phantron]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

There's really no reason to ever leave Shonen Jump if they let you get away with the stuff Togashi is doing. They are after all the biggest serialization around so if SJ isn't threatening to axe HXH there's no incentive for Togashi to leave it.

I'm pretty sure Slam Dunk sell by far higher per volume than any other manga in existence and Takehiko Inoue left SJ because he didn't like the schedule. He's generally even more well regarded by fans than Togashi, and although he has problem meeting weekly deadlines it's certainly not Togashi level of hiatus, and he generates more money than Togashi. Of course he also has some really fringe interest in topic (wheelchair basketball???) that is unlikely to be popular.

Again SJ isn't some kind of charity work and it's rather unique how it turns out because they're supposed to be very hard so far as meeting deadlines is concerned. SJ doesn't really care if Bleach needs 125 volumes to finally outsell HXH + YYH combined because it's not completely impossible to see 125 volumes of Bleach before HXH resumes, though I guess the fact that we may need 125 volumes of Bleach in itself explains why HXH has incredible staying power in terms of avoiding the axe.

This conversation reminds me of a fan parody with the Zodiac's first meeting dialogue, which went something like:

Original:

Pariston: I will be the chairman.

Pariston: Chairman Netero is too strong, so he doesn't understand how the weak feels, but I do. I will become a chairman that sympathizes with the weak!

Miz: 18 people, that is the number of missing Hunters while you are vice chairman.

Pariston: A truly unfortunate number. I believe when I become the Chairman it will be reduced.
(Miz looks angry)

(some parts skipped)
Pariston: Mr. Ging, I heard your son is in danger.
Ging: Indeed.
Pariston: Maybe I should visit him.
Ging: Go on ahead.
Pariston: I guess I shouldn't go, if he died then it'd be a waste of tme.
Ging: Don't worry, he won't die.
(Pariston looks at Ging menancingly)

Togashi version
Togashi (as Pariston): HXH will go on monthly serial.
Togashi: The Shonen Jump editor is too harsh, so he doesn't understand how a mangaka feels, but I do. I will become a mangaka that serializes monthly in Shonen Jump!

Miz: 180 weeks, that is the number of weeks HXH missed its deadline.

Togashi: A truly unfortunate number. I believe when HXH goes on monthly serial, it will be reduced.
(Miz looks angry)


(some parts skipped)
Togashi: Mr. Ging, I heard HXH is starting an Anime again.
Ging (as director of HXH Anime): Indeed.
Pariston: Maybe I should help out.
Ging: Go on ahead.
Pariston: I guess I shouldn't bother. If the Anime flopped it'd be a waste of tme.
Ging: Don't worry, the Anime won't flop, as long as you agree to end the HXH hiatus in exchange for a role on the Anime.
(Togashi looks at Ging menancingly)

 

[zzigg]

Re: Japanese Comic Ranking, December 3-9

hhhh good conversation.......

that why i call togashi the lazy genius.... hxh is a perfect work.. i hope he continue

with the release of the 32th volume ...i feel it coming​

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