Fantasy Jellal and Laxus vs Irene

[Seven777]

that what you would believe, but i believe rieko would kill laxus as well. jura will die from cana fairy glitter. this will depends on how you rank stuffs. in 100 year quest, laxus was not on pof.

gildarts never split august, he used crash. and you think that move will take out laxus? i personally dont think so, even gildarts didnt seems to put effort in it.

what do you think wisdom increase mean? does she gets smarter or something?

i dont think i am giving any benefits here. august offense and speed can easily be compared with cana. again, if a moves breaks every single bone in laxus body, my personal belief is that, that move will take out gildarts as well. august has no moves here. a gildarts is not that above erza and laxus.

august didnt tank anything, he committed suicide after that. that did a number on him. when he is distracted, even a butter knife can do him in. irene took a direct charge from enhance erza (someone stronger than laxus because of enhancement) while completely focusing on wendy. again, i am sorry, i just dont see august doing that, when distracted.

no, if you add there max powers, irene still comes above. durability wise and speed wise. even human irene can enhance her speed. dragon irene can do the same (you can add that wisdom here). august has so speed feat just like human irene doesnt.
as for durability, only thing that is gonna really hurt or kill irene, is a ds with power equal or greater than august own top tier moves. no one exists (other than natsu). meanwhile even with nullification august is gonna get seriously hurt from claw swipe from irene. claw swipe is not something irene really put effort in (this feat is the only one that throws august far below).

nope. every single good guys get boost from emotion, that is not natsu ability only. so both get pof. and natsu got power from the empty building or powerless fairy tail, somehow that took out zeref
erza got power from a dead marakarov.

both of the above crap is straight up pof, nothing more.

for me, what knocked august is his hax. this happened for aconologia too. this aconologia, was straight up resistance to igneel magic, while his magic was super effective against igneel, yet he still lost an arm. aconologia hax (his attribute being all magic), knocked him from a tier above igneel, to two or three teirs below igneel, atleast for me.

And yet Invel's armor was broken by a basic punch, while Invel himself took that and much more.

Yeah? Crash is his magic, and he'd use it to reduce Deus Sema to rubble. As for whether it would kill Laxus? Sure, if it hit him

Wiser I'd assume.

How is that not giving the benefit of the doubt? You say Gildarts isn't that above Laxus and Erza, but then you turn around and say PoF Erza is indeed that above Gildarts, seems like the benefit of the doubt to me.

Maybe because Gildarts offense is just that good eh?
No, durability wise August takes it because he is near invincible. The DS power needed to take out Eileen's dragon form is in Laxus, Erza, Natsu, August, and with Wendy that list just gets longer. As for speed, blitzing Gildarts is a better feat than anything Eileen has, just like breaking Erza's bones is a better feat than anything August has. Could we assume that they could both do better in both categories? Sure, but what's the point in that?

No, Natsu has a stated ability to do that, everyone else may be able to do something similar but it's clearly not what Natsu gets.
And yes, Natsu got power from the guild, he turns his bonds with them into fire or whatever.

 

[ald7mi_99]

as i said, beating people with hax, kinda lowers the portrayal for me. white witch can beat entire fairy tail guild, but she aint that strong. this same goes for august.

no i dont do that like that. i need a reference point. hax confuse me, but otherwise i am ok.



easiest way i can explain it is like this

what is a stronger move, a moves that kill character A, or a moves that overpower character A strongest move. for me its overpowering character A strongest move, because i believe character A, can kill himself or herself with their own high tier moves. that is why i rank darkness gray strongest move above laxus reiko red lightening. gray overpowered invel strongest move, laxus killed wahl. assuming here, that invel and wahl are equal, invel armor would be equal to wahl etherion.

same can be done for eileen and august. lets ignore eileen stats increase in dragon form, and being able to do magic that she couldnt in human form (mp increase?). lets just say eileen and august are equal (this is cannon), eileen strongest move would be equal to august strongest move (featwise august has no strongest move, but his suicide move would be above anything eileen has shown), and that move would kill august, unless he put reasonalble effort to overpower it.
pof erza did over power that move, gildarts has no feats near this.

the way i see it
durability for human irene and august
is about same (august survived gildarts strongest move, irene while distracted pretty much tanked enhanced erza move)
speed for human irene and august
about the same (for me erza is faster than gildarts, so irene is also faster than august)
attack power for human irene and august
same, couldnt even put down wendy or cana (plot?)

but difference come with dragon irene.
suddenly irene claw swipe can wreck gildarts (break every bone for erza).
her deus sema should be even above that. august nor gildarts just doesnt have feats here

(you can, i guess, try to make august and dragon irene equal, but august attack powers are equal to human irene attack power ,(cana and wendy) and of course i dont think gildarts can break every single bones of laxus/erza with a punch, nor can gildarts tank such punch, (and last peopele said human irene and august were equal, no dragon or copy/nullification hax))

at the end, its simple. can gildarts kill zeref, if no. then it follows that pof erza can be above gildarts. now is she above or not, this depends on you.

your way of ranking is hilarious erza overpowerd irene best move deus sema with broken bones deos that make her above irene and august?, and gray had an advantage over invel he literally absorbed his ice and used it against him laxus in other way he had two disadvantages first cancer seconed his attacks isn't working on wahl and even with that laxus managed to keep up with him overwhelmed him and eventually killing him despite his immunity. laxus>darkness gray.


durabilty, august>irene, august tanked gildarts strongest move and it only gave him a bloody lip ,irene reverted back from her dragon form with a simple cut from an ecnchanced sword with ds from a tired wendy and broken bones erza.

speed, august>irene, august overpowerd one of the fastest characters in the series jellal who without no doubt faster than erza and irene got blitzed by erza(and saying erza is faster than gildarts when gildarts managed to outspeed august who destroyed jellal who is alot faster than erza is hilarious)

attack power i would gave the benfit to irene here with her dragon form but even august had the ability to kill all of fiore residents with ars magia.(and saying irene can broke all of gildarts bones it's your headcanon).

overall august=irene that's what the author said feats wise august>irene.

what zeref has to do here gild can't kill him nor pof erza too heck even acno can't do that, gildarts>pof erza ,gildarts>>>normal erza

 

[Ronin31]

Only Zeref knew Irene was a Dragon and Brandish already stated Irene rivaled August without even knowing she was a Dragon. We then get further proof as they are compared to each other multiple times while Irene was in human form. Being the leader of the squad =/= strongest lol. Also his loyalty is the reason he was placed as the leader of the S12. By logic Irene's true MP >>> August as her mp while sealed in human form is equal to August.

2. Her inexperience is the reason why she won't be able to access more than 1% of her residual magic in Irene's body lol. That means Irene M beat Wendy with less than 1% of her residual magic power which is far less than her actual MP lol.

Based on feats they can't. Erza failed to beat Irene who was holding back and allowing them free shots. Erza would have had her magic stripped two seconds into the fight along with Wendy had Irene fought seriously. PIS/PoF was also a major factor in Erza holding out so long (same PoF allowed her to slam RoT Acno out of the sky lol) and Laxus only tied with a non PoF Erza.

1. Erza wasn't serious because it was Wendy's body.

I agree with this combined statements. Jko said anything I wanted to say. The only difference, as you mentionned, grey matter, is that Erza couldn't hurt Wendy's body so, restrained her strength, until being punching bag. When Wendy had felt the fight, Erza used all her strength with raising PoF because, as she said, she had to win (if she loose, Eileen will take Wendy's undefense body). Then, this Erza was already stronger than Laxus at his max and did nothing to Eileen, only escape-dodge attacks and stroke without hurting her, only making her unraged. Climax Erza who is >>>> classic Erza (= Laxus) destroyed the meteor and managed to hurt the Dragon before shut down injured and out of magic. Eileen was still and could kill her without Erza's Smile memory. Erza is nowhere near Eileen's level.

I countered Jko's statement saiying that Erza couldn't fight Wendy/Eileen, but then, classic Erza, even with all her might (= Laxus) should be clearly no match for Wendy/Eileen. By analogy, see the beginning of the fight : classical Erza used all her might with benizakura, boosted by Wendy's enchants, finishing with Blumenblatt (the exact combo she did to tie Red Lightning Laxus) and Eileen was toying at her, speaking about her pathetic weakness.

How can you put Classic Erza, Jellal or Laxus on par with human Eileen ? In my opinion, she is stronger than them both.... Climax PoF Erza reduced the gap for seconds but Erza's Potential is crazy far above Jellal or Laxus's.

No really, Eileen should toy with Jellal and Laxus here, even if you take account Red Lightning Mode which put him on par with full strength classic Erza.

Eileen for the win, without breaking a sweat.

 

[Ramen]

I just find it a little comedic that the people who say Irene loses are the same people that say August stomps.

Dragon Irene >= August >= Human Irene anyways. Both are still top tier and none of them have surpassed her yet. Just because you have DS magic doesn't matter, it's all about your strength. Using that logic Cobra and Rogue would beat Irene because they have a counter to her.

Jellal is useless against her dragon from and Laxus isn't strong enough to break though her scales. Erza did when her PoF kicked in and was back up by Wendy who's the most broken character in this series.

 

[grey matter]

I just find it a little comedic that the people who say Irene loses are the same people that say August stomps.

Dragon Irene >= August >= Human Irene anyways. Both are still top tier and none of them have surpassed her yet.

Nothing comedic about it. August is immune to anything they can throw at him. While Eileen isn't. Laxus and Jellol are literally ducks against August

August >= Dragon Eileen > human Eileen

 

[Ramen]

Nothing comedic about it. August is immune to anything they can throw at him. While Eileen isn't. Laxus and Jellol are literally ducks against August

August >= Dragon Eileen > human Eileen

And Irene is immune to anything Jellal throws so it's Laxus vs Irene and he isn't stronger than her.

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It comes down to those who don't want to give Irene the respect she deserves because they didn't like her fight or they're biased and don't want to admit it though it's very obvious.

She's still a top tier character and wins this without much difficulty.

 

[Ronin31]

just to compare : Eileen fought for a time Acnologia, the invincible one, and surprised him until asking her "what is her name" ? When August crossed the same Acno who killed Serena, he was pissing in his pants. Eileen is the only person Acno was interest in, as "human being" (she hide her Dragon's nature vs the Dragon's hunter). The fact is that Acno had interest for Eileen and only turned his back to August like he was not here.

 

[grey matter]

And Irene is immune to anything Jellal throws so it's Laxus vs Irene and he isn't stronger than her.

In dragon form, yes. In human form, no. There are two scenarios here.

As for dragon form. If Erza with DS magic can one shot dragon Eileen with a clean blow, so can Laxus. Jellol just needs to make sure Laxus won't get swiped

It comes down to those who don't want to give Irene the respect she deserves because they didn't like her fight or they're biased and don't want to admit it though it's very obvious.

She's still a top tier character and wins this without much difficulty.

Never denied any of that. In her dragon form, she's definitely August tier, no doubt about that.
The case of discrepancy between them, in opinions most people, in the vs battles come due to the same reason Dimaria stomps (in most people's opinion) anyone who's in her tier even tho she has same portrayal as any other average Spriggan. Are people wanking Dimaria, or underrating other Spriggans, or are they just being fair due to her abilities?

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just to compare : Eileen fought for a time Acnologia, the invincible one, and surprised him until asking her "what is her name" ? When August crossed the same Acno who killed Serena, he was pissing in his pants. Eileen is the only person Acno was interest in, as "human being" (she hide her Dragon's nature vs the Dragon's hunter). The fact is that Acno had interest for Eileen and only turned his back to August like he was not here.

We all know Acno could've one shot if he really wanted to

 

[Ramen]

In dragon form, yes. In human form, no. There are two scenarios here.

As for dragon form. If Erza with DS magic can one shot dragon Eileen with a clean blow, so can Laxus. Jellol just needs to make sure Laxus won't get swiped

I'm going to address this once since you're the most thick-headed and bias person here and quite frankly, you're never going to change your mind.

Erza had PiS in that fight. That fight was illogical and you know it. She destroyed a meteor with one arm. Laxus ain't one-shotting shit and that's the truth and even after the fight, Irene could've killed Erza.

Laxus and Jellal both get stomped here. She just swipes Jellal and then takes on Laxus. Jellal was getting beat up by Metro off-panel so he's not survivng against Irene.

Never denied any of that. In her dragon form, she's definitely August tier, no doubt about that.
The case of discrepancy between them, in opinions most people, in the vs battles come due to the same reason Dimaria stomps (in most people's opinion) anyone who's in her tier even tho she has same portrayal as any other average Spriggan. Are people wanking Dimaria, or underrating other Spriggans, or are they just being fair due to her abilities?

I don't see what's the point here since most people acknowledge Dimaria as being average without her hax. The only reason why Dimaria is a top tier spriggan is because of said hax.

All of the Spriggans (minus the hax) are relative to each other except for Irene and August.

 

[Ronin31]

We all know Acno could've one shot if he really wanted to

Everyone know Acnologia is the strongest character and unpar. Did he has been surprised to Serena's strength before killing him ? Well, no words....
Asking her her name is revelant, it is respect to a competitive character even if she-he is below.

 

[grey matter]

I'm going to address this once since you're the most thick-headed and bias person here and quite frankly, you're never going to change your mind.

Erza had PiS in that fight. That fight was illogical and you know it. She destroyed a meteor with one arm. Laxus ain't one-shotting shit and that's the truth and even after the fight, Irene could've killed Erza.

Laxus and Jellal both get stomped here. She just swipes Jellal and then takes on Laxus. Jellal was getting beat up by Metro off-panel so he's not survivng against Irene.



I don't see what's the point here since most people acknowledge Dimaria as being average without her hax. The only reason why Dimaria is a top tier spriggan is because of said hax.

All of the Spriggans (minus the hax) are relative to each other except for Irene and August.

Ok, discussion with you is pointless then

 

[Ramen]

Ok, discussion with you is pointless then

Concession taken.

All you have is "Irene weak because Erza fight" but cry "GS vs Acno didn't make sense and he's Gildarts tier blah blah blah"

 

[grey matter]

Keep yapping dude, I'm quite honestly done with you as well

 

[Ramen]

Keep yapping dude, I'm quite honestly done with you as well

Concession taken.

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just to compare : Eileen fought for a time Acnologia, the invincible one, and surprised him until asking her "what is her name" ? When August crossed the same Acno who killed Serena, he was pissing in his pants. Eileen is the only person Acno was interest in, as "human being" (she hide her Dragon's nature vs the Dragon's hunter). The fact is that Acno had interest for Eileen and only turned his back to August like he was not here.

I wouldn't consider the Irene scuffle as something too serious tbh.

 

[Verter]

Ppl here are so strong fanboys and fangirls.

If be neutral.

1st. Irene is Dragon Queen after all. If someone say someone will beat her then it should be that guy/girl also should beat someone like Igneel.
2nd. Irene is sage dragon. With her simple hit she brokes all exclude one Erza bones. Laxus and Jellal are not super superior in durability to Erza.

3rd. Irene is great enchanter. It's not possible for almost everyone even touch her in normal battle.

***

Ppl are blind to see something and only keep in minds "Wendy+Erza vs Irene". It's just strange they did not see in same way "Max+Nab vs Aldoron"

 

[grey matter]

Ppl here are so strong fanboys and fangirls.

If be neutral.

1st. Irene is Dragon Queen after all. If someone say someone will beat her then it should be that guy/girl also should beat someone like Igneel.
2nd. Irene is sage dragon. With her simple hit she brokes all exclude one Erza bones. Laxus and Jellal are not super superior in durability to Erza.

3rd. Irene is great enchanter. It's not possible for almost everyone even touch her in normal battle.

***

Ppl are blind to see something and only keep in minds "Wendy+Erza vs Irene". It's just strange they did not see in same way "Max+Nab vs Aldoron"

If you were neutral, you'd realize that Igneel >>> dragon Eileen. Not even debatable. Igneel is Acno tier, while Eileen is one shot material for Acnologia

Max + Nab + Wendy enchantment > Doom. Doom =/= Aldoron.
Your downplay of dragon Gods is funny lol. I agree they've been underwhelming, but not nearly as much as you put them out to be

 

[Verter]

If you were neutral, you'd realize that Igneel >>> dragon Eileen. Not even debatable. Igneel is Acno tier, while Eileen is one shot material for Acnologia

Max + Nab + Wendy enchantment > Doom. Doom =/= Aldoron.
Your downplay of dragon Gods is funny lol. I agree they've been underwhelming, but not nearly as much as you put them out to be

Where you got idea about Irene and Igneel ?
Igneel was ripped by Acno very fast. Irene challenged Acno.
They're ~ at same level exactly. Irene is Dragon Queen, what hard to understand here?

Aldoron was impressed even with Atlas Flame fire. LoL.
Atlas Flame is not even Igneel.
Wendy enchantment ?! LOLS. She herself said she is out of magic, so last bit of it she used on that enchantment. Furthermore she enchanted entire Max squad (not single one Max)

 

[Jko]

This is just headcanon and you know it. August >= Eileen, period.

It's not a headcanon. Brandish did not know Irene was a Dragon, she thought she was only a wizard.

Spoiler

We then get further proof that Human Irene and August have magic on par with each other when they were going to go heads.

Spoiler

Irene's going into her Dragon body unleashes the restrictions of her human form and boost both stats and magic power tremendously. This means that Dragon Irene is undoubtedly superior to August since Human Irene was on par with him.

1. Wendy Belserion <1% Eileen? Based on what? Just because Wendy couldn't access it, doesn't mean Eileen in Wendy's body couldn't.

Spoiler: Irene M. beats Wendy B.

Spoiler: Wendy can't access 1% of Irene's residual magic power

Wendy wasn't skilled enough to even access 1% of Irene's residual magic which means she could not access 1% Irene's actual magic when she was in Irene's body. That means Wendy B was beat by Irene M with using less than 1% of her Irene's magic power.

We saw the difference the moment Eileen took over. Nope, Erza wasn't serious because it was Wendy's body. The fact that Erza overwhelmed human Eileen proves that she wasn't serious against WB (combine that also the fact that Wendy in Eileen's body, who's < human Eileen, overwhelmed WB), if the reasoning that it was Wendy's body wasn't good enough

It wasn't until Irene pointed out she was in Wendy's body that Erza started holding back.

Spoiler: Before Irene psyched her out

Spoiler: After Irene psyched her out

As you see in both instances that Wendy B had no problem keeping up with Erza's stats and was reacting (and talking) to Erza as Erza tried to blitz her.

2. Dude.. That 1% statement was specifically meant for Wendy alone. When Eileen took over, whatever remaining power was used up, that wasn't 1%

Exaclty and yet Wendy in Irene's body beat Irene in Wendy's body fairly easily due to the vast difference in magic power. We know Wendy is not skilled enough to access even 1% of Irene's residual MP which means Wendy could not access more than that power against Irene in Wendy B's body. Wendy B < 1% of Irene.

Spoiler

Eileen allowed free shot only once, and it was because she got shocked at Erza shattering her meteor. The rest was Erza, or Erza + Wendy, straight up earning it.

Erza had multiple free shots. She let her strike at her head twice without even attempting to fight back lol. Earning it? You mean letting an enchantress dis-enchant her enchanments despite clearly being able to overpower them? Or not disabling Erza's swords whenever she wanted to which would take away Erza's main source of fighting prowess? Or just literally ripped the magic straight out of both and turn them into mere humans. Irene far out classes those two and it shows that she did not take them seriously. Their fight was a fluke.

After Wendy went down, Erza overwhelmed bloodlusted human Eileen, don't tell me she held back too

She did as stated by Irene herself and Erza didn't overwhelm Human Irene at all. Erza while enchanted by Wendy was toyed around by Human Irene. The same attack that matched Red Lightning when not even enhanced by Wendy was easily dispatched by Irene lmao.

Spoiler: Laxus

Spoiler: Irene

Dude I don't see how you downplay Irene to kingdom come over a PIS fight, yet do not do the same for August? Did August not get tagged and hurt by Cana's fodder ass cards? Did August fail to react to Gild who stat wise is only on par with the other S-Class and Natsu? Did August not pee his pants and not even attempt to deter Acnologia while Irene impressed him and took him out of the fight far longer than lapse in time?

Your downplay of Irene is clearly because of your hate for her character. Otherwise you would downplay August over his PIS fights as well.

Clearly Irene was out Erza's and Wendy's league even when she was doped up on POF which is why she suicided. Now she is still alive and going to show her stuff unlike August who is perma dead .

 

[Ramen]

Dude I don't see how you downplay Irene to kingdom come over a PIS fight, yet do not do the same for August? Did August not get tagged and hurt by Cana's fodder ass cards? Did August fail to react to Gild who stat wise is only on par with the other S-Class and Natsu? Did August not pee his pants and not even attempt to deter Acnologia while Irene impressed him and took him out of the fight far longer than lapse in time?

Your downplay of Irene is clearly because of your hate for her character. Otherwise you would downplay August over his PIS fights as well.

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Clearly Irene was out Erza's and Wendy's league even when she was doped up on POF which is why she suicided. Now she is still alive and going to show her stuff unlike August who is perma dead

Selene vs Irene incoming?

 

[grey matter]

It's not a headcanon. Brandish did not know Irene was a Dragon, she thought she was only a wizard.

Spoiler

We then get further proof that Human Irene and August have magic on par with each other when they were going to go heads.

Spoiler

Irene's going into her Dragon body unleashes the restrictions of her human form and boost both stats and magic power tremendously. This means that Dragon Irene is undoubtedly superior to August since Human Irene was on par with him.

Spoiler: Irene M. beats Wendy B.

Spoiler: Wendy can't access 1% of Irene's residual magic power

Wendy wasn't skilled enough to even access 1% of Irene's residual magic means she could not access 1% Irene's actual magic when she was in Irene's body. That means Wendy B was beat by Irene M with using less than 1% of her Irene's magic power.

It wasn't until Irene pointed out she was in Wendy's body that Erza started holding back.

Spoiler: Before Irene psyched her out

Spoiler: After Irene psyched her out

As you see in both instances that Wendy B had no problem keeping up with Erza's stats and was reacting (and talking) to Erza as Erza tried to blitz her.

Exaclty and yet Wendy in Irene's body beat Irene in Wendy's body fairly easily due to the vast difference in magic power. We know Wendy is not skilled enough to access even 1% of Irene's residual MP which means Wendy could not access more than that power against Irene in Wendy B's body. Wendy B < 1% of Irene.

Spoiler

Eileen allowed free shot only once, and it was because she got shocked at Erza shattering her meteor. The rest was Erza, or Erza + Wendy, straight up earning it.

Erza had multiple free shots. She let her strike at her head twice without even attempting to fight back lol. Earning it? You mean lazily letting an enchantress dis-enchant her enchanments despite clearly being able to overpower them? Or not disabling Erza's swords whenever she wanted to which would take away Erza's main source of fighting prowess? Or just literally ripped the magic straight out of both and turn them into mere humans. Irene far out classes those two and it shows that she did not take them seriously. Their fight was a fluke.
She did as stated by Irene herself and Erza didn't overwhelm human Irene at all. Erza while enchanted by Wendy was toyed around by Human Irene. The same attack that matched Red Lightning when not even enhanced by Wendy was easily dispatched by Irene lmao.

Dude I don't see how you downplay Irene to kingdom come over a PIS fight, yet do not do the same for August? Did August not get tagged and hurt by Cana's fodder ass cards? Did August fail to react to Gild who stat wise is only on par with the other S-Class and Natsu? Did August not pee his pants and not even attempt to deter Acnologia while Irene impressed him and took him out of the fight far longer than lapse in time?

Your downplay of Irene is clearly because of your hate for her character. Otherwise you would downplay August over his PIS fights as well.

Clearly Irene was out Erza's and Wendy's league even when she was doped up on POF which is why she suicided. Now she is still alive and going to show her stuff unlike August who is perma dead .

Meh, I'm done with this topic lol, we're just gonna go in circles

Tho, I'll say something about my "hate" for the character, and me apparently selectively ignoring "CIS/PIS".
I actually like her "character". She's loyal, and stayed by Zeref's side for turning her to human. I appreciate such characters, who express loyalty and gratitude (unlike traitors like, ahem, Brandish)
What I hate about her is her fight with Erza & Wendy, that was pathetic. And the wank (IMO, lets not get this started again) like Eileen >>> August, Eileen can hold her own against Acno (serious) etc
August tanked Gildart's strongest spell, while dragon Eileen got one shot by Erza with DS magic. This is straight up feats of durability. I don't exclude the CIS at all, I've acknowledged several times that dragon Eileen could've just stomped Erza's head instead of pulling a meteor on her; just like I acknowledge that August could've used any of the several hax & magic that he learned/coped to stomp Gildarts. CIS from villains is a given in FT, because without CIS the heros can never win.

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Where you got idea about Irene and Igneel ?
Igneel was ripped by Acno very fast. Irene challenged Acno.
They're ~ at same level exactly. Irene is Dragon Queen, what hard to understand here?

Aldoron was impressed even with Atlas Flame fire. LoL.
Atlas Flame is not even Igneel.
Wendy enchantment ?! LOLS. She herself said she is out of magic, so last bit of it she used on that enchantment. Furthermore she enchanted entire Max squad (not single one Max)

@Jko see this?

This guy seriously puts Eileen on or over dragon Gods and Igneel. Just an example. Nobody wanks August like this, I've never seen August get elevated above his tier