Fantasy Jellal and Laxus vs Irene

[Ramen]

Erza's ice and fire swords were irrelevant anyways. She used them for only one attack which because of RL and it's ability to make Laxus even more powerful when he's cut.

 

[Loke]

Erza's ice and fire swords were irrelevant anyways. She used them for only one attack which because of RL and it's ability to make Laxus even more powerful when he's cut.

Is that so? That isn't the first time she cut him. She cut his shoulder before. Where was Laxus' amp then ?

 

[Biri Biri]

I'm sorry, but I disprove all your hard work with 1 link on manga,

Just residual part of Irene magic oneshotted dragonized Nebal

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Same Nebal, but in weaker state (pre-dragonized) trashed Wendy in her Dragon Force.

You did not disprove a thing. Wendy requiring Irene's aid to defeat Nebal is irrelevant to the discussion we are having as most of us here already recognises that Irene is far more powerful than Wendy, and Nebal. Nothing new here. Separation enchantment is hardly going to be a factor that will affect the outcome of a fight if Irene was to take on Laxus and Jellal simultaneously.

P.S. Even with understanding hype-chapters and whatelse, Wendy was damaged by Kiria only for reason she covered Lucy with her own body. Why you ignore it.. it's a question.

Again, the underlined bit in your post is not connected to the point I've raised. But being the generous person I am, I will humour you xoxo

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I'm guessing when you said Lucy, you actually meant Erza? Take a look at the page above. Wendy tried protecting Erza from harm's way, and she was left with multiple slashes across her body that caused her to bleed as she yelped out in pain. She then fell unconscious to that roar by Kyria. Would Wendy be able to block or evade the attack if Erza wasn't in the picture (ugh another 'what if' scenario)? We do not know. You can assume that she is capable of doing so. Though I find it unlikely as it made no sense for Wendy to use her own flesh as a shield if she could block it the same way she did against Dimaria's final attack in her god soul takeover. It goes against natural human survival instinct to sacrifice your body, when you are fully equipped to deal with an attack with a tool. In Wendy's case, such tool will be a spell. Not unless you have a suicidal desire. Regardless, that was never the point here. What we do know is that Wendy's method of protecting Erza was to cover her with her own physical body, and that was not durable enough to endure a roar from Kyria. It was however, strong enough to withstand Irene's regular and high enchantment attacks.

What Kyria's roar failed to accomplish was putting a scratch on either Jellal or Laxus. Jellal had stripped earlier and was in his boxers only. Yet there was not a scratch on him in the aftermath of the attack. He simply casted bind snake on Erza, carried her off while claiming be loved by the seven stars The roar could only shred Laxus' white robe. When we cut back to the fight, Laxus is standing over Kyria still without a scratch while she was on the floor twitching. Then when she thought she could get the upper hand by cutting Laxus' strength, it doesn't work because he already thought of himself as weak. Laxus then proceed to beat her to a pulp with a DS secret art. Laxus and Jellal performed better than Wendy against Kyria's roar. Nebal required DF to accomplish what Kyria did with a single attack. Panels doesn't lie. They have neither bias, nor opinions. They just are. The evidence overwhelmingly points to Laxus being more than a match for Irene in her human form.

By @Biri Biri's logic Wraith >>>>>>> Acno bcs Wraith did more effective damage to Natsu than Acno did. Kiria >>>>>>> Acno bcs she did more effective damage on Wendy than Acno. Don't forget Neinheart >>>>> August bcs he oneshotted Jellal while August didn't.

Let's not forget than Wall >>>>>>> Kiria >>>>>> Irene in some twisted logic that Kiria has better attack power than Irene.

Except the fact that I didn't actually say any of those absurd claims you made up. So you are quoting me out of context. What I did was call a spade, a spade, base on what was drawn in the manga. Not a diamond, a club, or a heart.

DF Nebal >>> DE Trio by Skullion's statement yet he was fodderized by the residual magic from one of Irene's enchantments. DE trio are fodder to Irene. Hell they are fodder to Brandish who is fodder to Irene. Selective reading is real with Irene downplayers to the point they hype up Kiria of all people just to downplay Irene .

And again, Erza nor Laxus had a significant buff in stats or mp. Laxus literally spent an entire year getting the power he had in the Wall fight back .

Laxus didn't just get back the power though. When he pulled out red lightning for the first time against Wall, he lucked out. This was widely acknowledge by the readers. Since then, he said he has trained with it and this is confirmed to be true when Laxus wields the power with far greater expertise in his fight with Erza than before. You won't think a novice with amateurish skills is on the same level as an expert in the same field with masterful control. Similarly, we won't think present day Laxus isn't more powerful than his Alvarez days by a considerable distance. He is evidently more powerful and dangerous.

Same applies to Erza. Kyria was able to cross blades and fought on par with Erza during their first encounter, before she used hypnosis blade to subdue her. In their rematch, Erza busted out benizakura enchanted with dragon slayer abilities, and Kyria had an 'oh crap' expression. Her fear was understood when Erza landed a decisive blow on her that sent her crashing up through Diabolos' ship.

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The introduction of the new power enabled Erza to turn the battle in her favour. Unless Kyria somehow became weaker in their rematch, surely Erza has to have become more powerful. This same power allowed her to clash evenly with Laxus at certain points of their fight.

A more popular character than Jellal aka Erza did that against far more powerful Acno and rarely anyone brings it up bcs we know that feat was an outlier lmao. Erza doesn't need to rely on PIS feats to be consider powerful yet Jellal does as that is Jellal's only noteworthy feat in a decade and it was outdone by freaking Christina lol. Imagine thinking Jellal can actually push Acno back when he got whooped up by Gears lmao.

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Who only scales to the physicality of Doom, Metro and Wolven who are fodder in stats.

Wendy also wasn't in DF lol.

Don't be pretentious. We are not new around here. You know, I know, like how everyone knows Mira and Brandish are more popular than Jellal and Erza by the community on here. Gears was terribly outclassed by Jellal eventually. If Jellal has the strength to push dragon Acno, who has unrivalled physical strength in the main series, there should be no doubt he could accomplish such feat against dragon Irene with greater ease. If Irene has to face Jellal and Laxus together, this should afford Laxus sufficient time to inflict damage with red lightning.

 

[Verter]

I'm guessing when you said Lucy, you actually meant Erza?

Yeah, I mistyped here, sorry. I mean Erza.

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You did not disprove a thing.

Your entire sentence is wrong.

You recognise that Irene is stronger then Wendy and DF Nebal. Ok.

But why you forget that DF Nebal is stronger then Kiria and other 2 DE ? (it's their own words and thinks)

Since DF Nebal stronger then Trio DE, your line with "Kiria and Wendy/Erza" + "Wendy/Erza and Irene" has any sense.

 

[Biri Biri]

Yeah, I mistyped here, sorry. I mean Erza.

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Your entire sentence is wrong.

You recognise that Irene is stronger then Wendy and DF Nebal. Ok.

But why you forget that DF Nebal is stronger then Kiria and other 2 DE ? (it's their own words and thinks)

Since DF Nebal stronger then Trio DE, your line with "Kiria and Wendy/Erza" + "Wendy/Erza and Irene" has any sense.

Couldn't find where they said that. Link?

 

[Ramen]

Is that so? That isn't the first time she cut him. She cut his shoulder before. Where was Laxus' amp then ?

Yes it is so........it's literally shown she only used them once.

Where was his amp? Who knows......

 

[LaGOAT]

Jellal created a barrier that stop acno attack. Acno attack>irenes best feat as a dragon. Jellal and laxus speedblitz irene human form just like wendy did. They win mid diff

 

[sharkai]

Cool

Alright, at least we got the Erza offense>Eileen thing out of the way. As for the rest, it showed that Erza was performing above what Eileen thought she should be performing and sure, Erza was probably stronger, everyone is with PoF, she didn't jump any tiers though imo.
Laxus takes effort to do it too. Gildarts? He can shred August so he can shred Deus Sema. How much effort you think he puts into that is up to you

I don't, no more than I believe August can insta-sleep people like he did to Brandish.
Yeah, and like I said dragon hax is an equal match, or near enough to it.

hold on
in gmg
jellal vs jura. jellal used sema on jura. so basically jellal had already lost all hope against jura (it was barely mid diff)? (assuming ofcourse, characters far below jellal can stop sema). why was jura even sweating because of it?

 

[Seven777]

hold on
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jellal vs jura. jellal used sema on jura. so basically jellal had already lost all hope against jura (it was barely mid diff)? (assuming ofcourse, characters far below jellal can stop sema). why was jura even sweating because of it?

Why was Erza sweating cause of Deus Sema? It's an intimidating sight, we know for a fact that it wouldn't beat Jura(or near enough to it), even against the likes of the OS Jellal needed to combine it with GC to pull a win.
As for Jura mid diffing, only to the point where he could force Jellal to stop putting in effort to disguise his identity.

 

[sharkai]

wahl had immunity why does he need to gaurd himself and put armor when the attacks wouldn't harm at all? laxus raiko overpowerd something like that, gray didn't show anything like that to be considor equal let alone above.




no i think gild well replicate the same thing if wendy is by his side and he well destroy the metoer especially with his crash magic.



we know that hax wouldn't work if the mage magic power lower than his opponent so i think there is nothing to be confused about , brandish magic didn't work on aldoron who is acno tier cause he is tiers above her.



well you said erza>natsu so i want to know your reasoning, if she rates natsu that high and it's not accurate then she do the same with laxus she rates herself higher than him and thats not accurate and it's quite the opposite.



feats,stomping CS which had jellal erza tier mage and even above and other 4 mages which combined should be>>>wendy, while human irene was getting handled by erza and wendy, stomps gildarts who is>erza and wendy combined without getting even one scratch before gild know his weakness and used his best spell and didn't work too.

portrayal, him being the leader of spriggan which include irene, the last spriggan to fall, and also there was a panel from a chapter says the battle between the strongest of fairy tail and the spriggan12 which was august vs gildrats.



again his hax is his magic itself and it's what made him the magic king if you don't want to consider his magic then you should do the same for irene and not consider her enchantment, and it's not like his magic have no weakness holder type magic can harm him and even with that weakness he still tanked gild strongest spell with only a bloody lip which shows how durable he is.

sorry for the late response.

how do you know laxus over powered it, it seem he bypassed it. wahl AI specially mentioned that it couldnt recognize the move. and gray actually broke invel armor, that is actually overpowering

wendy wasnt there when erza busted dues sema. what feats does gildarts has of overpowering august top moves?

actually hax works fine, even on stronger people. mest on brandish. evergreen on erza. sihala on erza. hax mostly depends on plot. suddenly dimeria hax stops working on END


stomping CS is equivalent of white witch taking out fairy tail. their magic worked didnt work on august. take cobra out (because some peole think irene is a fodder) replace him with gildarts cana annd goi. Dragon irene will low diff. just because their magic wont work on her.

irene is a the original ds. who bfr aconolgia. her portrayal is fine.

irene enchantment wasnt even used when irene got pissed. it was all punches and nukes, hell even deus sema is a nuke. so yeah taking irene enchantment wont do much to irene

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Why was Erza sweating cause of Deus Sema? It's an intimidating sight, we know for a fact that it wouldn't beat Jura(or near enough to it), even against the likes of the OS Jellal needed to combine it with GC to pull a win.
As for Jura mid diffing, only to the point where he could force Jellal to stop putting in effort to disguise his identity.

but think about it.
if wahl can stop irene deus sema, and we assume gmg jellal is near jura. than rufus or rogou can stop jellal sema as well. jellal using that move on jura pretty much means he knew less about magic than you. this makes no sense

also, if we are taking literal words, from natsu mouth, then same should be done for erza. laxus cant stop deus sema, no matter what he does, because he cant take power from markarov and power of the dead. and most likely gildarts cant either. or we can ignore people words then laxus can stop deus sema and erza can kill FH zeref.

 

[Seven777]

but think about it.
if wahl can stop irene deus sema, and we assume gmg jellal is near jura. than rufus or rogou can stop jellal sema as well. jellal using that move on jura pretty much means he knew less about magic than you. this makes no sense

also, if we are taking literal words, from natsu mouth, then same should be done for erza. laxus cant stop deus sema, no matter what he does, because he cant take power from markarov and power of the dead. and most likely gildarts cant either. or we can ignore people words then laxus can stop deus sema and erza can kill FH zeref.

If Wahl stops Deus Sema, and I don't necessarily think that he could, it would take everything he has to accomplish it and Eileen would just kill him afterwards, so I dont see a problem. Similarily, I think Cana could have destroyed Jellal's Sema, Jellal would still roast her immediately afterwards though, and I consider Cana weaker than both Orga and Rufus.

Like I said, if your argument is that Erza used Makarov's power to do it then sure, Laxus isn't busting it, Gildarts still can though since August>>>Deus Sema.

 

[sharkai]

Unfortunately, Irene won't win.

Her enchantments were either evaded by Erza, or the times it managed to connect with Erza and Wendy, they never came close to putting them down.

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I understand that huge explosions are aesthetically pleasing and visually spectacular. However, the real power behind it is underwhelming as Erza and Wendy were hardly damaged after being engulfed in Irene's attacks time and again. Of course, they weren't completely unscathed. They had scratches on them after emerging from the attacks. Those were surface wounds. Irene's attacks couldn't put Wendy down, let alone Erza. Wendy only really went down after Irene mutilated herself whilst in Wendy's body, rather than an actual attack casted by Irene against her.

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A roar from Kyria did more effective damage to Wendy than Irene's enchantment, evident when it badly wounded Wendy and knocked her out cold.

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Laxus and Jellal were unhurt by Kyria's roar. Laxus dropped Erza to her knees with one punch.

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Even after Erza busted out the DS seal true benizakura, Laxus dominated the early exchange of their fight with red lightning. His attacks floored Erza and sent her screaming in pain.

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It wasn't until she used the twin blades enchanted with Natsu and Gray's powers, and giving her absolute best, did she managed to fight on equal footing with Laxus. To quote Erza directly, she conceded defeat and fainted after her magic power was completely exhausted. She fainted before Laxus did, who woke up before she did, while carrying her on his back for more than a dozen chapters, during which he fought against the creations that god seed Wolfen created. When Erza finally woke up, she was too injured to even stand and didn't once use her magic again.

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Erza's newly developed powers in the 100yq led her to become more powerful than her Alvarez self that fought Irene. Erza only showed the same degree of pain in her fight she suffered against Laxus with Irene after she transformed into a dragon. Irene's regular and high enchant are outclass by Laxus. She becomes really powerful only after she reverts to her dragon form, which enables her access to greater magic power to cast master enchant.

Irene was also struck by Erza and Wendy's attacks several times, with one of the attack leaving her bleeding profusely. The bleeding never stopped even till the end. In contrast, similar attacks by Erza's enchanted twin swords couldn't inflict as much damage to Laxus.

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Present day Laxus alone is arguably as strong as Irene in her human form. If you add Jellal and his help, things become rather one-sided for the guys. Irene become much more powerful in her dragon body, however that's when Laxus' slayer efficiency gets to shine and become highly useful. His red lightning allows his offensive strength to extrapolate in the presence of things coloured red, e.g. blood. Before that, let's touch on Jellal.

Erza had no problem exchanging blows with a pissed Irene. Laxus is at least as fast as Erza, and Jellal is even speedier than her. He could evade Erza's slashes without trying, block Acno's attack when she couldn't react in time.

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Jellal could force Acno on the backfoot, before he ate grand chariot. After he transformed into his dragon form, Jellal used Meteor to push dragon Acno towards the time rift. These are some of the most incredible feats that rarely gets brought up because it's popular to hate on Jellal and suit the narrative that the guy is weak when clearly the opposite is true. If a more popular character like Mira or Brandish could accomplish what Jellal did, you bet they will get brought up at every chance. His performance against Acno was at least at impressive as Irene's against Acno, as Acno had his sight locked on Wendy and felt grand chariot was worthy of consuming.

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Despite his magic being sucked out by Acno, Jellal could push dragon Acno. He accomplish what it took Erza's entire weaponry to do the same with his physical strength. I do think Laxus or Jellal will lose to Irene in her dragon form. However, if they were to team up, they have a very good chance to defeat her. It would likely be similar to Mard vs Natsu and Gray.

nice evidence. could august put down cana like laxus did to erza with one punch. because i dont remember that.

you forgot erza was holding back for most of the fight. the last section showed erza and laxus exchanging blows equally.

mard couldnt put natsu or gray down. dragon irene can one shot laxus

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If Wahl stops Deus Sema, and I don't necessarily think that he could, it would take everything he has to accomplish it and Eileen would just kill him afterwards, so I dont see a problem. Similarily, I think Cana could have destroyed Jellal's Sema, Jellal would still roast her immediately afterwards though, and I consider Cana weaker than both Orga and Rufus.

Like I said, if your argument is that Erza used Makarov's power to do it then sure, Laxus isn't busting it, Gildarts still can though since August>>>Deus Sema.

why do you keep on bring up cana. her fairy glitter attack power can even wreck laxus. can rufus hit that hard (hell even jura cant hit that hard)? so if someone far inferior can stop sema, why would jellal use it against jura

yes, my argument is that (especially if u are using it for natsu). gildarts didnt bust august though. august gave up. i dont know how to put. pretty sure dues sema wil do more damage to august than that punch (if he doesnt nullify it)

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I disagree with Erza needing the dragon slaying swords to match Laxus. She managed to stalemate imperial red lightning with heaven's wheel later on. That said, I don't see how the dragon slaying seal wouldn't be a power-up. You're giving Erza's magic, and presumably her body, the properties of a dragon.

because it is not. it was never mentioned as powerup. just a way to hurt dragons, nothing more

 

[Seven777]

nice evidence. could august put down cana like laxus did to erza with one punch. because i dont remember that.

you forgot erza was holding back for most of the fight. the last section showed erza and laxus exchanging blows equally.

mard couldnt put natsu or gray down. dragon irene can one shot laxus

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why do you keep on bring up cana. her fairy glitter attack power can even wreck laxus. can rufus hit that hard (hell even jura cant hit that hard)? so if someone far inferior can stop sema, why would jellal use it against jura

yes, my argument is that (especially if u are using it for natsu). gildarts didnt bust august though. august gave up. i dont know how to put. pretty sure dues sema wil do more damage to august than that punch (if he doesnt nullify it)

You're the one who went back to GMG not me. As for it wrecking Laxus, not likely.
Why would any character use anything on anyone? Because that's all they can do, sometimes your attack hits, sometimes it doesnt, sometimes Natsu punches someone in the face, sometimes that someone simply blocks it, you just have to take your shot. As for Rufus, could he forget Rumbling Mt Fuji? Maybe, Jura would still crush him afterwards though.

I've always used the Fairy Sphere argument for Natsu, so sure, if we're going by the presumption that Erza used Makarov's power then Laxus isn't busting Deus Sema.
As for Gildarts, he reduced August to a pile of cubes, he does the same to Deus Sema.

 

[sharkai]

You're the one who went back to GMG not me. As for it wrecking Laxus, not likely.
Why would any character use anything on anyone? Sometimes your attack hits, sometimes it does not, sometimes Natsu punches someone in the face, sometimes that someone simply blocks it, you just have to take your shot. As for Rufus, could he forget Rumbling Mt Fuji? Maybe, Jura would still crush him afterwards though.

I've always used the Fairy Sphere argument for Natsu, so sure, if we're going by the presumption that Erza used Makarov's power then Laxus isn't busting Deus Sema.
As for Gildarts, he reduced August to a pile of cubes, he does the same to Deus Sema.

what, seriously? cana fairy glitter above jura mt fuji. you think a direct hit wont do anything to laxus, seriously?

because it bring up an important question. why would jellal waste so much energy on something which he knows can be easily blocked by his inferiors. its not fast either

august pretty much allowed that. he nullfied it with no effect to himself

 

[Seven777]

what, seriously? cana fairy glitter above jura mt fuji. you think a direct hit wont do anything to laxus, seriously?

because it bring up an important question. why would jellal waste so much energy on something which he knows can be easily blocked by his inferiors. its not fast either

august pretty much allowed that. he nullfied it with no effect to himself

I didn't say it wouldn't do anything, I said it wouldn't wreck him.

For the same reason everyone uses the spells they use. Why does Erza use Armadura Fairy when people can smash it like it's nothing? Why does Minerva use Yagdo Rigora when Erza and Kagura can block it? Why does Gray use DeS longsword when Invel can shatter it? Why does Jellal use Grand Chariot when Jura can block it? Invel use his armor when Gray can bust it? Just the way it is

Yeah, and Deus Sema would "allow" it too, since it has no mind.

 

[sharkai]

I didn't say it wouldn't do anything, I said it wouldn't wreck him.

For the same reason everyone uses the spells they use. Why does Erza use Armadura Fairy when people can smash it like it's nothing? Why does Minerva use Yagdo Rigora when Erza and Kagura can block it? Why does Gray use DeS longsword when Invel can shatter it? Why does Jellal use Grand Chariot when Jura can block it? Invel use his armor when Gray can bust it? Just the way it is

Yeah, and Deus Sema would "allow" it too, since it has no mind.

err no comment about dues sema from me

that is not fair
erza doesnt know armudura could be wrecked, minerva didnt know that the girls could do that. gray didnt know either.
jellal knew jura was as strong if not stronger than him. if he is gonna use a slow spell which also is his strongest, it should count. after sema, jellal had nothing. if the fight continued (and your assumption is correct). jellal performance would have been worse than natsu performance against laxus in the start of the fight (ff arc). gmg jura would literally be >>jellal + jellal

jellal used his most strongest spell, basically for nothing. jellal should know, like you know, blocking is easier than hitting. thus jellal was actually being super dumb here. or your assumption is wrong. there was actually a possibility that even jura (a mage with strong defense) wouldnt be able to block it and would have been wrecked. thus there is absolutely no way in hell anyone inferior than jellal could block it

 

[Jko]

Except the fact that I didn't actually say any of those absurd claims you made up. So you are quoting me out of context. What I did was call a spade, a spade, base on what was drawn in the manga. Not a diamond, a club, or a heart.

A roar from Kyria did more effective damage to Wendy than Irene's enchantment, evident when it badly wounded Wendy and knocked her out cold.

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Is this not you?

By your logic everything I stated was spade for spade. Your logic dictates that X is stronger than Y bcs X knocked out A while Y failed to and we just ignore everything else in the manga that says otherwise. I also want to point out that your so call "evidence" that Irene has less attack power than Kiria is blatantly false as Irene never attacked Wendy while in her own body in the first place.

Laxus didn't just get back the power though. When he pulled out red lightning for the first time against Wall, he lucked out. This was widely acknowledge by the readers. Since then, he said he has trained with it and this is confirmed to be true when Laxus wields the power with far greater expertise in his fight with Erza than before. You won't think a novice with amateurish skills is on the same level as an expert in the same field with masterful control. Similarly, we won't think present day Laxus isn't more powerful than his Alvarez days by a considerable distance. He is evidently more powerful and dangerous.

His strongest attack is still the same one he bested Wall with lol. Nothing of an increase in MP or power was noted from Erza. It is just that his lightning gets more powerful with Red Lightning. He also stated he just got the ability to use RL back lol. A gun is a gun. Just bcs y'know how to shoot a gun doesn't mean the gun is stronger than it usually is lol. The same is with RL, just bcs he got better at using it does not mean it is stronger than before. It just means he can use it freely unlike when he used it by chance.

Same applies to Erza. Kyria was able to cross blades and fought on par with Erza during their first encounter, before she used hypnosis blade to subdue her. In their rematch, Erza busted out benizakura enchanted with dragon slayer abilities, and Kyria had an 'oh crap' expression. Her fear was understood when Erza landed a decisive blow on her that sent her crashing up through Diabolos' ship.

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The introduction of the new power enabled Erza to turn the battle in her favour. Unless Kyria somehow became weaker in their rematch, surely Erza has to have become more powerful. This same power allowed her to clash evenly with Laxus at certain points of their fight.

Erza was jobbing which something she is infamous for in the manga. Same thing with Kagura who beat up her fodder armors then got oneshotted by Erza lol. Kiria already admitted she was inferior to Erza when she was jaw dropped and in awe of her power against Laxus lol. Also Erza's fodder armor + enchanted sword is still fodder to her upper class magic. She did not need any of her enchantmented weaponry to best Kiria either as seen when matched Red Lightning with basic Heaven's Wheel swords lol. Erza didn't become more powerful either over the 100YQ. Laxus stated he could only down her with RL and that she was holding back still while he was using RL. Erza would oneshot Kiria the same as Laxus did if she was remotely serious instead of jobbing.

Don't be pretentious. We are not new around here. You know, I know, like how everyone knows Mira and Brandish are more popular than Jellal and Erza by the community on here. Gears was terribly outclassed by Jellal eventually. If Jellal has the strength to push dragon Acno, who has unrivalled physical strength in the main series, there should be no doubt he could accomplish such feat against dragon Irene with greater ease. If Irene has to face Jellal and Laxus together, this should afford Laxus sufficient time to inflict damage with red lightning.

How was I being pretentious for pointing out a fact? No one uses Erza's feat against Acno at all yet y'all run to Jellal's bcs he has zero feats that are worth salt. Also I see no one using Brandish stabbing August or BSS Mira dodging RoT Dragon Acno as legitimate feats either. Jellal needed help from Ultear and used his second strongest spell (that was matched by basic Base Natsu punches) to beat Gears. Add to the fact he was beat up prior to the hax coming into play. Jellal failed to push Acno and needed Christina to bail him out. He failed physically to harm anyone significantly with meteor magic so I think it's quite hilarious you think he could push someone as physically powerful as Acno back with his strongest spell let alone with just meteor lmao. Jellal couldn't distract Irene even if he used all his magic power bcs he is fodder to the people that are fodder to her. Jellal and Laxus would be dead wizards before they could even fire off a spell lol.

 

[Seven777]

err no comment about dues sema from me

that is not fair
erza doesnt know armudura could be wrecked, minerva didnt know that the girls could do that. gray didnt know either.
jellal knew jura was as strong if not stronger than him. if he is gonna use a slow spell which also is his strongest, it should count. after sema, jellal had nothing. if the fight continued (and your assumption is correct). jellal performance would have been worse than natsu performance against laxus in the start of the fight (ff arc). gmg jura would literally be >>jellal + jellal

jellal used his most strongest spell, basically for nothing. jellal should know, like you know, blocking is easier than hitting. thus jellal was actually being super dumb here. or your assumption is wrong. there was actually a possibility that even jura (a mage with strong defense) wouldnt be able to block it and would have been wrecked. thus there is absolutely no way in hell anyone inferior than jellal could block it

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It's completely fair, Jellal doesn't know Jura could do anything either, he thought if he broke out the big guns he could win, it really is that simple.
You trying to say Erza didn't know Kyoka was tough lol? She was as much a match for Erza as Jellal was for Jura. Same with Minerva and Kagura. Same with Invel and Gray both when Gray was winning and when he was losing. You don't simply stop attacking because you think your opponent might be able to block the attack lol, if that were the case no one would ever do anything, because %90 of the time, the attack is blockable.

As for Jellal having nothing, Abyss Break, Altaris, hell, even Grand Chariot again, it's all he ever uses these days anyway. Jura blocking an attack doesn't spell the end of the fight for anyone. So yeah, Jellal isn't dumb, at least no dumber than anyone else in the manga. You can argue that the way Mashima sets up his fights is dumb if you like given that weaker character block stronger people all the time, but thats another coversation

 

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because it is not. it was never mentioned as powerup. just a way to hurt dragons, nothing more

And the way to hurt a dragon is to enchant yourself with the properties of a dragon. Which is still a power-up.

 

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Alright

It's completely fair, Jellal doesn't know Jura could do anything either, he thought if he broke out the big guns he could win, it really is that simple.
You trying to say Erza didn't know Kyoka was tough lol? She was as much a match for Erza as Jellal was for Jura. Same with Minerva and Kagura. Same with Invel and Gray both when Gray was winning and when he was losing. You don't simply stop attacking because you think your opponent might be able to block the attack lol, if that were the case no one would ever do anything, because %90 of the time, the attack is blockable.

As for Jellal having nothing, Abyss Break, Altaris, hell, even Grand Chariot again, it's all he ever uses these days anyway. Jura blocking an attack doesn't spell the end of the fight for anyone. So yeah, Jellal isn't dumb, at least no dumber than anyone else in the manga. You can argue that the way Mashima sets up his fights is dumb if you like given that weaker character block stronger people all the time, but thats another coversation

i dont think so.
sema is different from other moves. it is super slow. its not whether koyoka could block armudura. erza could still move around, use her speed and hit her with armudura. no minerva didnt know much about kagura. she figured it out after that nuke.
jellal altaris far weaker than sema, i dont know about abyss breaker, but its most likely weaker too. sema is slow. he is not restricting jura like minerva was, or it cant move fast and change direction and reused again if blocked like armudura can
sema is just a nuke, which takes its time.

mishma fuks up sure, but if emotion is involved, things normally go smoothly.
there is another explanation, maybe my hypothesis is correct. weaker characters cant stop stronger characters strongest moves (weak moves sure). blocking requires same level of effort as attacking. thus jellal could take out jura, if jura was slightly weaker than jellal by sema

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And the way to hurt a dragon is to enchant yourself with the properties of a dragon. Which is still a power-up.

dont know about properties of dragon. but there is no mention of ds seal erza hitting harder than just normal erza (not against a dragon)