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Re: Ope Ope no Mi - The "Ultimate Devil Fruit"

yaaah that what i mean !!

he might be 100 years old .. or even more
We don't know yet ! but we know for sure that its for something related to devil fruit ..

BUT if he ate one then he can in the sea, he'll die !!

NO one can be alive after falling from the SKY, but he is still alive !!

I'm SURE marine knows about it ! thats why also they wanted to buy it !!


NO ONE STILL BELIEVE IN IT ?
I already saw the anime more than 50+ times and know all details in all episodes, I can image what will happen next
but for this thing, i'm sure 1000%


The simplest question, why he got this perfect BODY, when all his kind didn't ?

he is one of the Yoknos, its not this simple that he was born with it


New theory, I think this WAR is between his army and himself !!

Look at Fairytail, Zerf wants to die from Natsu by anyway !
in Nanatsu, Ban stayed in jail just because he can't die ..


New theory, this power might go out of his body as soon as a new person in this world will get it .. his body will go back to normal

if the case was someone being 100 years old or more,
then I wonder if Dr. Kureha also got Ope-Ope no Mi's immortal power, she's 151 years old. now :o
 
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Re: Kaidoh Thread

The moster that ate Shanks arm wasn't a seaking.
That doesnt change anything. The point i was making is if Kaido is the strongest creature, it not only makes him stronger than Shanks, the admirals and the other yonkou's; it makes him stronger than all the seakings...

Anyways, to take the point you made, Wikia has clarified that the same creature that bit Shanks arm is actually a Sea King, just a smaller one.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Coast

But the point is, it was dangerous enough to chop off Shank's arm. So I can believe those Sea Kings can be beaten, like we've seen Luffy punch it as well.
The larger one is still something I need more convincing, since you would have to be underwater to beat it in the first place...
 

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Excuse me, but we are discussing immortality. It's related.

Brook did said a few times that milk makes his bones strong, perhaps his body would even fall apart if he didn't, so he does need to "eat" something. His body also does a few things that should not be possible with only bones, such as moving, bleeding and digestion. While that's attributed to his Devil Fruit, he may still need to eat like any other person to keep those functions.

On the other hand, it appears to be impossible to damage Kaido's body. And if he really wants to kill himself so much, it raises the question of why he doesn't simply tie a rock to his feet and jump on the ocean or starve to death. Just the fact that neither he or anyone succeeded in killing him suggests that he doesn't need to breath or eat in order to survive. So he truly is immortal.

In Dragon Ball it was important to the plot that several character tried to collect the dragon balls to wish for immortality. However the word in the Japanese version would be more accurately translated as an "undying body" (Vegeta implied in the story that Freeza wouldn't be able to kill him if his wish was granted). Does anyone know what exactly are the words used to describe the Ope Ope no Mi in Japanese?
 

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Brook isn't immortal, if his bones gets pulverized he will die again, he said so himself. He's a revived human. I think we already discussed this in length in the past, so feel free to go back and read those posts, and if you guys don't actually have something to add, it's just redundant. It certainly isn't the place to discuss only Brook, this thread is first and foremost about Kaido.It seems to me that the last posts were mostly centered on Brook, while I understand the relation it shouldn't be only one aspect about it, in this case immortality that is discussed, without actually linking it to Kaido. Just because this isn't the chapter discussion doesn't mean the offtopic rule doesn't apply to it. Always try to keep things on topic as much as possible.


And I would say it's too early to tell if Kaido is immortal, and benefited from the ageless surgery, or is just hard to kill. There are many ways to explain why he can't die, for example luck. He could be so lucky he somehow makes it unscathed each time they tried to execute him. We also don't know for sure if he was always suicidal, or just after WB died. We don't know his age either, because if he's older than the average human's expectancy then maybe that proves he's immortal. So we clearly lack a lot of information about him, and it could be we're jumping to conclusions too soon, by assuming he's immortal.He's certainly not invincible, because he lost quite a few times to the other Yonko for example, and imo that is all that matters. Since it would mean it's actually possible for Luffy to beat him.
It certainly looks like Oda is hyping him up by making it appear he's immortal, or that he's simply too strong/resistant to kill.
 
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Re: Ope Ope no Mi - The "Ultimate Devil Fruit"

No, mostly you are talking about Kaidou's possible DF, his strength and his possible immortality, and the immortality is only indirectly related to Ope Ope no Mi cause that's one possible way that made him immortal.
Yes this whole thread needs to be moved. However, I do like the talk of Kaido having the immortality surgery. Makes sense why he doesn't die. He can be defeated. He just doesn't die. And he is probably a creature such as a yokai. Ladylola explains the oni-oni no mi theory nicely here: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/show...atari-as-a-source-of-inspiration-in-One-Piece. An oni is definitely a creature. The imortal operation is a great idea but if that isn't true then Kaido probably just have a super tough body (tougher than diamond Joz) due to him being an Oni.
 

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Re: Ope Ope no Mi - The "Ultimate Devil Fruit"

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have we seen any luck luck fruits? thats a good theory, but it doesnt explain the falling from the sky thing
maybe he's just a "kaidoh"
kaidoh's are said to be very powerful :D
 
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Zou is the birth place of Kaidou, and that's my theory on one of the Yonkou.
 

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When someone from the SH manages to brainwash WB Jr, then he'll become very useful to wipe out Kaido's underlings.
 

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ehhh?
is... a whitebeard jr vs kaidoh fight possible, kiadoh does seem to have a grudge against the big boss for kicking his ass
i smell epic
 

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Re: Ope Ope no Mi - The "Ultimate Devil Fruit"

NEW POINT !!

Joker talks about the "National Treasure" as its related also to the OPE-OPE !!

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/761/10

"From the time your ope-ope fruit powers .. got into my hands, that day ..
I was able to use Mariejoa "National Treasure" Authority to Rule The World !!

It's that useful of Power !!


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So it's also connected to the Mariejoa "National Treasure" !!
 

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Re: Ope Ope no Mi - The "Ultimate Devil Fruit"

Good recall. That's bugged me before too actually. When I connected some dots (including a theoretical dot or two) it became clear to me that the Celestial Dragons feared the prospect of someone with secret, high end knowledge living forever. They didn't kill him nor his secret. The national treasure must be a plenty powerful tool/knowledge that takes X time to activate/prepare. Someone with the perennial youth operation done on them wouldn't have to worry about time and given enough time, one might be able to use the said treasure to take over the world nobles' sovereignty. The way he said it though just make it seem like the ope ope no mi just makes things much easier, he didn't exactly need it.

And many people have apparently regarded it as the ultimate devil fruit due to the perrenial youth operation which means that this fruit aint anything new. Just like other fruits, people live, people die. I'm sure there are people out there whom are immortal because of this fruit which pretty much further Kaido's immortality theory.
 

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But if Kaidou had the immortality operation performed on him, wouldn't drowning in the ocean negate the effect and kill him? Though if that is true, then Law is probably the only person who can reverse it so Doflamingo aside, it would make sense why he'd want to target Kaidou.

As far as character design goes, I think he's from Wano and may have an ogre-ogre fruit to fit into the theme. I think the only reason he & his crew have ties to Mink country is because it is full of half-beasts and because the ninja was traveling with Kinemon & Momo & and the other guy, and Kaidou specifically wants to hunt down Momonosuke for his dragon-dragon fruit. To add to his beast collection. The Orochimaru belt is too much of a give away so I really don't think he's from Zou.

I don't remember if we were ever told why exactly he was called "100 Beast Kaidou" but months ago I had a theory that rather than have one beast fruit, he had like a 100-beast fruit or something. A bit overkill, but if he was like some sort of boggart it would still fit the monster theme. Maybe there's a monster like that in Japanese folkalore that would fit this type (ogres aside).
 

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maybe he is called hundred beast kaidoh, because he is a hybrid of 100 different life forms, probably making him some sort of ultimate life form
 

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Can he not be called like that because he commands a crew of hundreds of Zoan users?

There are many ways to explain why he can't die, for example luck. He could be so lucky he somehow makes it unscathed each time they tried to execute him.
Would the fact that he fell from the sky and made a hole on the ground when he landed suggests that it's not lucky but actual strength?
 

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Can he not be called like that because he commands a crew of hundreds of Zoan users?


Would the fact that he fell from the sky and made a hole on the ground when he landed suggests that it's not lucky but actual strength?
What I meant that he's so lucky that he's able to cheat death itself.
 

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Can he not be called like that because he commands a crew of hundreds of Zoan users?


Would the fact that he fell from the sky and made a hole on the ground when he landed suggests that it's not lucky but actual strength?
I'd assume it's strength too, they seemed to emphasize the durability of his body and more so since they introduce him to us falling from the sky to just get back up unscathed.
 

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no, the buddha is a mythical zoan, its not a part of any "family" also, since choppers fruit encompasses, giant forms aswell, i doubt there are any other human fuits.
ope, immortality theory sounds right though, but that begs the question. who will stop kaidoh
Didn't see this post, but the "Buddha fruit" is a human-human fruit, model Buddha. It's call the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu (Hito means human). There are mythical humans in folk lore and religion, so it's not far fetched to think that this fruit is of the same family as Chopper's.
 
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