Predictions Kaido will beat G5 Luffy (POLL VOTE)

[Windfall Island]

Kaido will beat Gear 5th Luffy as well specifically because he still has two cards up his sleeve :- his flashback & his awakening.

Plus we are yet to see Kaido's victory cry as was hinted by Big Mom. Kaido hasnt been successful so far in winning a great battle with honor (whether it was vs oden or vs luffy last round...earlier versions of luffy werent even capable of giving kaido a great battle unlike the present version of luffy) & a villan must succeed before he falls. (Some might think of Kaido's success being dying a great death...but that by its definition would imply a battle L for kaido & its his final dream & anatagonists dont achieve their final dreams but Kaido needs to succeed in finally winning a great battle honorably on screen worthy of a victory cry.... Also kaido being a yonko + having built his empire are offscreen success not on screen ones...)

Lastly the scene of onigashima about to fall on flower capital cant happen with luffy winning because currently they arent above Flower capital. For that to happen Kaido has to win again.

Morj (& i) correctly predicted few chapters ago that kaido was going to beat G4 Luffy (i made a poll thread few weeks ago) & looks like both of us agree that Kaido will beat G5 luffy as well.

Where i disagree with morj is on the raid failing...


^^He is suggesting that irrespective of whether the raid fails or not...Kaido will beat G5 luffy.

Here is how i see things going forward:-

G5 luffy "defeats" kaido.
Kaido flashback.
Meanwhile Onigashima would be falling but not on top of flower capital with momo desperately trying to generate flame clouds & failing but all of a sudden onigashima s fall will stop because kaido is back . <- MY SECOND PREDICTION...I DO THINK THIS SERIES OF EVENTS IS QUITE POSSIBLE
Kaido awakens & beats luffy for the last time.
(^^i am betting on this)
Kaido drags onigashima on top of flower capital.
People of Flower capital react & run.
Kaido drops onigashima.
Momo saves it.This time he succeeds


Luffy returns with that zoro injection maybe & beats Kaido. Luffy is down & out.
Cp 0 calls in WG forces to capture wano.
All bets are off beyond this point.

Lets see how things proceed.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Kaido will beat Gear 5th Luffy as well specifically because he still has two cards up his sleeve :- his flashback & his awakening.

Plus we are yet to see Kaido's victory cry as was hinted by Big Mom. Kaido hasnt been successful so far in winning a great battle with honor (whether it was vs oden or vs luffy last round...earlier versions of luffy werent even capable of giving kaido a great battle unlike the present version of luffy) & a villan must succeed before he falls. (Some might think of Kaido's success being dying a great death...but that by its definition would imply a battle L for kaido & its his final dream & anatagonists dont achieve their final dreams but Kaido needs to succeed in finally winning a great battle honorably on screen worthy of a victory cry.... Also kaido being a yonko + having built his empire are offscreen success not on screen ones...)

Lastly the scene of onigashima about to fall on flower capital cant happen with luffy winning because currently they arent above Flower capital. For that to happen Kaido has to win again.

Morj (& i) correctly predicted few chapters ago that kaido was going to beat G4 Luffy (i made a poll thread few weeks ago) & looks like both of us agree that Kaido will beat G5 luffy as well.

Where i disagree with morj is on the raid failing...


^^He is suggesting that irrespective of whether the raid fails or not...Kaido will beat G5 luffy.

Here is how i see things going forward:-

G5 luffy "defeats" kaido.
Kaido flashback.
Meanwhile Onigashima would be falling but not on top of flower capital with momo desperately trying to generate flame clouds & failing but all of a sudden onigashima s fall will stop because kaido is back . <- MY SECOND PREDICTION...I DO THINK THIS SERIES OF EVENTS IS QUITE POSSIBLE
Kaido awakens & beats luffy for the last time.
(^^i am betting on this)
Kaido drags onigashima on top of flower capital.
People of Flower capital react & run.
Kaido drops onigashima.
Momo saves it.This time he succeeds


Luffy returns with that zoro injection maybe & beats Kaido. Luffy is down & out.
Cp 0 calls in WG forces to capture wano.
All bets are off beyond this point.

Lets see how things proceed.

Zunesha will demolish the CP0 fleet. Or any other fleet that comes for back up. So their threat is already 0. This tbh... just seem like some kind of fantasy fanboyism for Kaido. Big mom might have eluded to his victory cry but that doesn't mean there will be one. Everything points to Luffy winning with G5 and Nika awakening. If he loses energy again his drum-heart-beat will bring him back.

I don't watch Youtubers. I think they say outlandish/stupid/controversial crap to get views. That is the bottomline. The idea that Kaido will win again is absurd now. My prediction? Luffy is going to beat his ass, Onigashima will fall and Momo will not be able to generate enough flame clouds to keep Onigashima afloat. However he will generate enough to give Onigashima a soft landing and not cause widespread tsunamis. When the mist and fog clears the people from the flower capital will notice Onigashima being impossibly closer and all look at Onigashima with Enel eyes.

Note: Zunesha will likely not help hold up Onigashima with its back because it will crush Zou or Mokomo Dukedom.

 

[Windfall Island]

Zunesha will demolish the CP0 fleet. Or any other fleet that comes for back up. So their threat is already 0. This tbh... just seem like some kind of fantasy fanboyism for Kaido. Big mom might have eluded to his victory cry but that doesn't mean there will be one. Everything points to Luffy winning with G5 and Nika awakening. If he loses energy again his drum-heart-beat will bring him back.

I don't watch Youtubers. I think they say outlandish/stupid/controversial crap to get views. That is the bottomline. The idea that Kaido will win again is absurd now. My prediction? Luffy is going to beat his ass, Onigashima will fall and Momo will not be able to generate enough flame clouds to keep Onigashima afloat. However he will generate enough to give Onigashima a soft landing and not cause widespread tsunamis. When the mist and fog clears the people from the flower capital will notice Onigashima being impossibly closer and all look at Onigashima with Enel eyes.

Note: Zunesha will likely not help hold up Onigashima with its back because it will crush Zou or Mokomo Dukedom.

What about the fact that Kaido still has 2 cards left up his sleeve:- his flashback & his awakening ?!

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't see Kaidou winning again. What would be the point?

 

[M3J]

Kaido will beat Gear 5th Luffy as well specifically because he still has two cards up his sleeve :- his flashback & his awakening.

Plus we are yet to see Kaido's victory cry as was hinted by Big Mom. Kaido hasnt been successful so far in winning a great battle with honor (whether it was vs oden or vs luffy last round...earlier versions of luffy werent even capable of giving kaido a great battle unlike the present version of luffy) & a villan must succeed before he falls. (Some might think of Kaido's success being dying a great death...but that by its definition would imply a battle L for kaido & its his final dream & anatagonists dont achieve their final dreams but Kaido needs to succeed in finally winning a great battle honorably on screen worthy of a victory cry.... Also kaido being a yonko + having built his empire are offscreen success not on screen ones...)

Lastly the scene of onigashima about to fall on flower capital cant happen with luffy winning because currently they arent above Flower capital. For that to happen Kaido has to win again.

Morj (& i) correctly predicted few chapters ago that kaido was going to beat G4 Luffy (i made a poll thread few weeks ago) & looks like both of us agree that Kaido will beat G5 luffy as well.

Where i disagree with morj is on the raid failing...

The two cards are weird reasons for him to win. The flashback can happen at anytime, especially when he's about to lose and go unconscious.

Awakening? Could just mean Luffy's challenged even more than he is now and has to show the power he's been hiding.

The yell? Can happen in flashback.

All in all, I don't see Luffy losing here after activating Gear 5. It also makes no sense for him to lose AGAIN only to survive somehow, there's no tension in that.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

What about the fact that Kaido still has 2 cards left up his sleeve:- his flashback & his awakening ?!

Would it be insensitive for me to say "who cares"? Not that no one cares about his awakening because we do but in the context of the situation...it really is not that important. I can see his flashback coming at the time of his defeat. Or like M3J said basically. Kaido winning will serve no purpose.

 

[john ellis]

Gear 5 needs hype, that hype is beating a yonko.

 

[XXGenesis]

I don’t analyze the literature elements of manga that much, to forecast predictions….But I was with Mr. Morj and like his videos…..He has a point

I just can’t see where the story heads off Luffy loses after all this…

 

[catagon87]

I'm guessing by Zoro injection you mean.. Law?
Zoro injection doesn't sound like anything Luffy will be wanting.

I just don't see the benefit of it Luffy losing, or how a flashback triggers that. At this point I think it would just annoy the readers, as they were extremely annoyed when CP0 got involved and caused Luffy to lose.

Plus we are yet to see Kaido's victory cry as was hinted by Big Mom

Not really sure how this is relevant. Kaido one-shot Luffy in Kuri, knocked Luffy out briefly on the roof-top with the other Supernova, and then knocked Luffy off of Onigashima after Luffy discovered advanced COC. He's not entitled to an "honorable" win as he's already had several fair wins. He's an evil villain who enslaves populations, kills the innocent, abuses his off-spring, indiscriminately attacks women and children, has no qualms with his subordinate committing genocide, lies and cheats to achieve his goals, and attacks his foes when they're at their weakest.

Kaido is a confusing character and his actions often contradict his desires. I have thought about it a lot. People want to believe Kaido is somehow better than someone like Doflamingo, simply because he's enjoying his battle with Luffy, but what about his battle with Oden? Oden was a worthy opponent from the get-go, and Kaido refused to fight him one-on-one until he was certain he could win. He defeated Oden due to external factors, and instead of remedying the situation with a rematch, boiled him alive and then shot him in the face then tried to murder his family. He built a false rapport with the Flower Capital giving them a sense of security all with the intention of crushing them to death and then enslaving the left-overs to work until they die in his weapon factories.

IMO, Kaido is actually insecure and deals with those insecurities in narcissistic ways. I think Kaido:

• Is actually jealous that Roger was able to become Pirate King despite being "soft" as he described
• Wants to be perceived as honorable, but is all talk when it comes to that. If he actually felt he had a chance of losing against Luffy I think he'd be sweating bullets. I think he wants a challenging win, and not a loss under any circumstances
• Is obsessed with Samurai code and death, but actually scared of it. Someone truly looking for death would not accept false wins and hide behind "it's the pirate's way"
• Feels his race / species / whatever is actually superior, but is similar to Arlong in that this feeling is projection. The world is not ruled by Kaidos. It's ruled by humans and the WG. I think Kaido laments that he has enough power to ward off invasion but not enough to actually assert any world-wide authority
• Kaido probably learned about Joyboy at some point and wished to become Joyboy. He likely knows bits and pieces of the history and Joyboy's relevance, and is afraid of he himself becoming irrelevantly lost in history (not being Joyboy)

TL;DR: An insecure psychopath / maniac like Kaido does not deserve an honorable victory or an honorable death. Oda has used trickery to make us think he's somehow less evil than other villains. Enjoying a fun fight doesn't make him suddenly not an evil prick. He's an absolute beast, and I have no doubt he's capable of defeating anyone in the OP-verse one-on-one including: Hawkeye, Shanks, Big Mom, Akainu, etc.. His actions have caught up with him though and like all of Luffy's enemies, his dreams need to be unwound and stomped on, as they do nothing but cause suffering for others. He may fake-knock-out Luffy similar to how Lucci did with his Sai-dai-rin, rokuougan attack, but Luffy WILL get back up and defeat him. I won't be surprised if we get a panel of Luffy resembling the Wisdom God that Hyou spoke up, floating in the air after having dealt the finishing blow to Kaido, who will fall through Onigashima similar to Big Mom and smash into the ground, unconscious.

I think afterward Luffy will be in such critical condition that perhaps Law gives up his life to save him, but who knows. He's definitely not going to be down for a party anytime soon.

 

[Windfall Island]

@M3J @TitaniumOxide

But primarily i ask ... how is then the scene of Momo holding Onigashima on top of Flower Capital going to happen if Luffy just defeats kaido right now ?!

 

[M3J]

@M3J @TitaniumOxide

But primarily i ask ... how is then the scene of Momo holding Onigashima on top of Flower Capital going to happen if Luffy just defeats kaido right now ?!

He can be forced to hold Onigashima, OR Luffy can beat Kaidou a bit later without losing after dealing so much damage. It's not like Kaidou's going to go down easily.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

@M3J @TitaniumOxide

But primarily i ask ... how is then the scene of Momo holding Onigashima on top of Flower Capital going to happen if Luffy just defeats kaido right now ?!

If I can remember correctly, Momo was making progress in pulling the flame clouds in a different direction than the flower capital. This means that if Onigashima lands, it will be crashing into water and possibly creating tsunamis. Momo can either A. Pull and tug hard enough so the splash is insignificant and creates no tsunami. At least the explosives are taken care of. Or B. Momo can just make enough flame clouds to keep Onigashima floating in the air.

But the island falling down doesn't justify another Luffy defeat at the hands of Kaido either. That is because if Kaido defeats Luffy again, his aim is STILL to crash Onigashima onto the flower capital. If Luffy KO kaido it will fall. If he KO luffy he will still float it to the capital. This hunk of rock is falling no matter what. We can only hope it is a softer landing. It is up to Momo. Hope he can handle that extra water weight from Raizou's ninjutsu.

 

[FetherMan]

I think, Kaido will be defeated and possibly die. From the first time of his introduction, Kaido has longed for a great war and spoke of his envy to Whitebeard’s feat in this at Marineford.

A flashback is indeed coming for Kaido and Oda has hinted this briefly with Kaido’s knowledge of the One Piece, Poneglyphs, Joyboy and his affiliation with the ROCKS’ crew.

Even if, he’s defeated in this battle, Kaido will show respect to Luffy and possibly warn him of what lies ahead after their fight ends. In the scheme of storytelling here, Kaido in a way is getting what he truly wants and aiding Luffy further towards his goal…

 

[wing_gundam]

I don't see Kaidou winning again. What would be the point?

Honestly if Kaido wins again Luffy deserves to loose.

 

[Boagrious]

What about Luffy not defeating Kaido purposely, because Momo cannot stop Onigashima from falling if he does?

 

[thedude]

Kaidos losing this fight...his "victory cry" is like -10000% important to the story, but it makes up like 30% of this "theory" lol. Like really...who cares about that?

And clearly Momo is going to prevent the island from falling. Maybe Kaido, as a last act, helps? Not sure, but again, we have in the story what is going to happen, it's all been told to us.

My real question is, why do fans want the antagonist, the guy who is ultimately a stepping stone, to win? IT seems to happen with every new big bad. "They can't lose now, not like this!" And yet! It always happens!

And also, the manga is not and will never be about Kaido getting the catharsis of the "big win". I'm not sure why that youtube guy seems to think it's an important story element. Newsflash - in One Piece, the villain never gets catharsis! They lose!

 

[JonWickk]

For all you know Kaido has already been using his awakening. Given that he is a Zoan type, his awakening may not be shown like paramecia users.