Kimetsu no Yaiba Chapter 190 Spoiler/Discussion Thread

[levi12]

Or, maybe he just didn't want to get stalled until dawn. Yorichi had already immobilized him and it is fairly easy to see how that could have extended for however many hours were left until sunrise.

Huh, my take when reading they hunted down sun breath users was that muzan did it out of spite rather than because sun breath users specifically could kill him. I would maintain that the manga has not actually evidenced the sun breath having an inherent capacity to kill demons or something magic enough to do it. It's just ordinary swordslashes. Even yorichi does not seem to think his style was stronger or better than others. He seemed to think of other styles as progress.

And you are the one claiming the sun breath and/or the 13th breath has that capacity in spite of what we know regarding breaths... so burden of proof is on you on that one.

The manga has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the sun can kill muzan. Muzan has made the point in the series that the sun is his only weakness. I suppose there is a marginal chance that muzan hasn't been exposed to the sun in such a long time that he could have attained the immunity without him even realizing though.

How are you so sure that what we saw yorichi do was due to his 13th breath rather than the red sword? Certainly within the context of the manga the red sword doing that is far more reasonable than the sun breath being magic or something to that effect.

It seem no point arguing and debating about this with you anymore. You just keep saying assumption and speculation one after another. Without having any manga evidence to back up your claims.

Again another speculation and assumption on your part on that first sentence you post. No evidence and nothing. This is basically your own personal opinion.

Another assumption and speculation on your second sentence with no real prove or evidence this is true. the fact Muzan fears Yoriichi so much that even his cells fear Sun breath and Yoriichi contradict your claims.

I already said about the sun thing many implied and implication Yoriichi coukd kill him without the sun. I am not gonna waste my time listing them again. As why Ubyashiki think is only thing That can Kill Muzan I Already explain that. This is more assumption and speculation again about Muzan attaining immunity from the sun?

As for 13 form it yet to be explain we just wait and see it seems similiar to red blade ability but far more advance and can kill Muzan.

I am not debating any further if you use asumption and speculation instead of facts and truths I am not debating unless you give me real manga evidence and prove To back your claims. If you want to believe The sun the only thing can kill Muzan be my guest. By I disagree with reasons I already explain far too many times.

This conversation is over unless you give real manga evidences and prove.

This isn t our manga its Gotouge. We use facts and evidence from manga not assumption,opinions and speculation turn into facts.

 

[kkck]

Again another speculation and assumption on your part on that first sentence you post. No evidence and nothing. This is basically your own personal opinion.

Well, sure, but I merely provided an alternative to something which is your personal opinion and by no means a fact. So....

Another assumption and speculation on your second sentence with no real prove or evidence this is true. the fact Muzan fears Yoriichi so much that even his cells fear Sun breath and Yoriichi contradict your claims.

Sure, but what exactly is the hard evidence that muzan did this specifically because he feared sun breath users could kill him? Its fine if you believe this but the manga hasn't been explicit enough about this that what you are suggesting is literally the only possibility.

I already said about the sun thing many implied and implication Yoriichi coukd kill him without the sun. I am not gonna waste my time listing them again. As why Ubyashiki think is only thing That can Kill Muzan I Already explain that. This is more assumption and speculation again about Muzan attaining immunity from the sun?

Good call, writing them again wouldn't turn them into the hard prove you claim they are. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong, just that the actual mechanics by which yorichi could have killed muzan at the time are unknown to us. We ultimately simply don't have the full context of what went on during that fight. I mean, we have seen the 13th breath (plus red blade) fail at killing muzan, on account of muzan being alive, and we have seen that red blades are not enough to kill demons, on account of them not dying from them being cut with them (kokushibo).

As for 13 form it yet to be explain we just wait and see it seems similiar to red blade ability but far more advance and can kill Muzan.

Exactly, the mechanics of this are unknown to us. But what we do know, so far, is that breaths aren't magic, rather they are just swordsmanship via basically overclocking their bodies.

Also, if I was responding to you as you are to me then my reply here should be something along the lines of "That is just speculation and assumption. No evidence and nothing, that is just your opinion, nothing has been said yorichi having a more advanced red blade".

I am not debating any further if you use asumption and speculation instead of facts and truths I am not debating unless you give me real manga evidence and prove To back your claims. If you want to believe The sun the only thing can kill Muzan be my guest. By I disagree with reasons I already explain far too many times.

Cool but, you say that as most of what you write wasn't speculation and opinion.

This conversation is over unless you give real manga evidences and prove.
This isn t our manga its Gotouge. We use facts and evidence from manga not assumption,opinions and speculation turn into facts.

So.... if you have spoilers and know exactly what's in our knowledge gaps regarding how exactly yorichi could kill muzan then please do share.

 

[levi12]

Well, sure, but I merely provided an alternative to something which is your personal opinion and by no means a fact. So....


Sure, but what exactly is the hard evidence that muzan did this specifically because he feared sun breath users could kill him? Its fine if you believe this but the manga hasn't been explicit enough about this that what you are suggesting is literally the only possibility.


Good call, writing them again wouldn't turn them into the hard prove you claim they are. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong, just that the actual mechanics by which yorichi could have killed muzan at the time are unknown to us. We ultimately simply don't have the full context of what went on during that fight. I mean, we have seen the 13th breath (plus red blade) fail at killing muzan, on account of muzan being alive, and we have seen that red blades are not enough to kill demons, on account of them not dying from them being cut with them (kokushibo).


Exactly, the mechanics of this are unknown to us. But what we do know, so far, is that breaths aren't magic, rather they are just swordsmanship via basically overclocking their bodies.

Also, if I was responding to you as you are to me then my reply here should be something along the lines of "That is just speculation and assumption. No evidence and nothing, that is just your opinion, nothing has been said yorichi having a more advanced red blade".


Cool but, you say that as most of what you write wasn't speculation and opinion.


So.... if you have spoilers and know exactly what's in our knowledge gaps regarding how exactly yorichi could kill muzan then please do share.

Well, sure, but I merely provided an alternative to something which is your personal opinion and by no means a fact. So....


Sure, but what exactly is the hard evidence that muzan did this specifically because he feared sun breath users could kill him? Its fine if you believe this but the manga hasn't been explicit enough about this that what you are suggesting is literally the only possibility.


Good call, writing them again wouldn't turn them into the hard prove you claim they are. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong, just that the actual mechanics by which yorichi could have killed muzan at the time are unknown to us. We ultimately simply don't have the full context of what went on during that fight. I mean, we have seen the 13th breath (plus red blade) fail at killing muzan, on account of muzan being alive, and we have seen that red blades are not enough to kill demons, on account of them not dying from them being cut with them (kokushibo).


Exactly, the mechanics of this are unknown to us. But what we do know, so far, is that breaths aren't magic, rather they are just swordsmanship via basically overclocking their bodies.

Also, if I was responding to you as you are to me then my reply here should be something along the lines of "That is just speculation and assumption. No evidence and nothing, that is just your opinion, nothing has been said yorichi having a more advanced red blade".


Cool but, you say that as most of what you write wasn't speculation and opinion.


So.... if you have spoilers and know exactly what's in our knowledge gaps regarding how exactly yorichi could kill muzan then please do share.

Agree and disagree No debating this any further. I already said what I need to say and already use all the facts and evidence I get from manga about this topic. If you disagree despite many prove,whatelse can I say.

No I am not gonna respond to this anymore. If you want answer from me,reread that whole comment I post last comments all answers are there.

Done lets move on. You haven t back your claims with any real manga facts and evidences. It be pointless to debate this any further.

no I use facts and evidences from the manga not personal opinion.reread manga all over again and reread comments I post last post Why I think Yoriichi can kill muzan without Sun

Don t quote me I am not gonna respond anymore. This topic is over.

 

[sterben.]

dude, just one question;

if breaths have no magical/supernatural property, then explain- mizu no kokyu, kyu ko kata: suiryu shibuki: ran

Well, sure, but I merely provided an alternative to something which is your personal opinion and by no means a fact. So....


Sure, but what exactly is the hard evidence that muzan did this specifically because he feared sun breath users could kill him? Its fine if you believe this but the manga hasn't been explicit enough about this that what you are suggesting is literally the only possibility.


Good call, writing them again wouldn't turn them into the hard prove you claim they are. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong, just that the actual mechanics by which yorichi could have killed muzan at the time are unknown to us. We ultimately simply don't have the full context of what went on during that fight. I mean, we have seen the 13th breath (plus red blade) fail at killing muzan, on account of muzan being alive, and we have seen that red blades are not enough to kill demons, on account of them not dying from them being cut with them (kokushibo).


Exactly, the mechanics of this are unknown to us. But what we do know, so far, is that breaths aren't magic, rather they are just swordsmanship via basically overclocking their bodies.

Also, if I was responding to you as you are to me then my reply here should be something along the lines of "That is just speculation and assumption. No evidence and nothing, that is just your opinion, nothing has been said yorichi having a more advanced red blade".


Cool but, you say that as most of what you write wasn't speculation and opinion.


So.... if you have spoilers and know exactly what's in our knowledge gaps regarding how exactly yorichi could kill muzan then please do share.

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next question: explain how a breath technique/slashes (as you said) would be able to burn/sear/and make the skin crack during zenitsu vs kaigaku match. if so, explain how kaminari no kokyu works

Well, sure, but I merely provided an alternative to something which is your personal opinion and by no means a fact. So....


Sure, but what exactly is the hard evidence that muzan did this specifically because he feared sun breath users could kill him? Its fine if you believe this but the manga hasn't been explicit enough about this that what you are suggesting is literally the only possibility.


Good call, writing them again wouldn't turn them into the hard prove you claim they are. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong, just that the actual mechanics by which yorichi could have killed muzan at the time are unknown to us. We ultimately simply don't have the full context of what went on during that fight. I mean, we have seen the 13th breath (plus red blade) fail at killing muzan, on account of muzan being alive, and we have seen that red blades are not enough to kill demons, on account of them not dying from them being cut with them (kokushibo).


Exactly, the mechanics of this are unknown to us. But what we do know, so far, is that breaths aren't magic, rather they are just swordsmanship via basically overclocking their bodies.

Also, if I was responding to you as you are to me then my reply here should be something along the lines of "That is just speculation and assumption. No evidence and nothing, that is just your opinion, nothing has been said yorichi having a more advanced red blade".


Cool but, you say that as most of what you write wasn't speculation and opinion.


So.... if you have spoilers and know exactly what's in our knowledge gaps regarding how exactly yorichi could kill muzan then please do share.

 

[HHellenn]

if breaths have no magical/supernatural property, then explain- mizu no kokyu, kyu ko kata: suiryu shibuki: ran

You mean this?

next question: explain how a breath technique/slashes (as you said) would be able to burn/sear/and make the skin crack during zenitsu vs kaigaku match. if so, explain how kaminari no kokyu works

And this?

 

[kkck]

dude, just one question;

if breaths have no magical/supernatural property, then explain- mizu no kokyu, kyu ko kata: suiryu shibuki: ran


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next question: explain how a breath technique/slashes (as you said) would be able to burn/sear/and make the skin crack during zenitsu vs kaigaku match. if so, explain how kaminari no kokyu works

IIRC those were the result of kaigaku combining his breaths with his demon blood art. the rest is just zenitsu moving really fast. The elemental patterns surrounding breath techniques are just figurative... Including the sun breath. otherwise we'd see places where breath techniques are used covered in the elements that are used near them. As in, fire breath would result in things catching on fire or being wet. And yet not once we have seen a hashira do that.

 

[sterben.]

how about suiryu shibuki? then suppose if a character master that breathing pattern, he can run in thin air without any foothold?

IIRC those were the result of kaigaku combining his breaths with his demon blood art. the rest is just zenitsu moving really fast. The elemental patterns surrounding breath techniques are just figurative... Including the sun breath. otherwise we'd see places where breath techniques are used covered in the elements that are used near them. As in, fire breath would result in things catching on fire or being wet. And yet not once we have seen a hashira do that.

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due to zenitsu moving fast, he can generate a thunderous sound that can be heard far away?

IIRC those were the result of kaigaku combining his breaths with his demon blood art. the rest is just zenitsu moving really fast. The elemental patterns surrounding breath techniques are just figurative... Including the sun breath. otherwise we'd see places where breath techniques are used covered in the elements that are used near them. As in, fire breath would result in things catching on fire or being wet. And yet not once we have seen a hashira do that.

 

[levi12]

I got feeling Muzan wil feel pressure and overhelm. If all Pillars can use red nirchin blade and they somehow unlock All see through. Muzan needs to up his game.

I hope Kanao,Inosuke and zen isn t here to get Kanroji treatment. I hope Kanao get big power up as well.

Its about time Giyu get power up seems most pillars does. but He hasn t got one in ages.

Now all that is left is Tanjiro hopefully he can master 13 form and help others take down Muzan with his new ability

I was wondering If Muzan will have power up himself? Maybe he have monster form like kokushibo if corner for real?So far it hasn t been as tense with Muzan as final big bad. But I hope I am wrong and maybe he can increase his ability further

If Muzan doesn t find counter to red blade,Marks,all see through and possible 13 form dotg that Tanjiro gonna unlock. He is going to die even before sunrise.

 

[kkck]

how about suiryu shibuki? then suppose if a character master that breathing pattern, he can run in thin air without any foothold?

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due to zenitsu moving fast, he can generate a thunderous sound that can be heard far away?

The technique is described as "minimizing landing time and surface needed". Tanjiro is not running on thin air at all.

As for that bit, yeah, zenitsu being THAT fast is pretty much the explanation. He certainly isn't generating actual lightning, otherewise stuff would just explode around zenitsu.

 

[HereNThere]

The creator came out and said that the swordsmen aren't creating their element. It's an illusion created by their skill.

Chapter was hype. But at the same time, things are going to get a lot worst before they get better. I'm afraid one of these kids are going to bite the dust.

 

[Laminariales]

I'm just praying for desired interactions before shit hits the fan (or during), giyu & sanemi is being fulfilled, I still need sanemi x nezuko/ mitsuri x nezuko / zenitsu & inosuke x nezuko & tanjirou. I hope for nezuko have a moment with muzan as the person who killed her family and maybe a flashback. Also I want sanemi marechi to still add something, and tomioka... but I don't know what to expect maybe most beloved ghost sabito to drop in with a few words. Kanao is another character I can't place hopes on sentimentally. I really really hope nezuko make it atleast two.... maybe three upcoming chapters

Every chapter is a delivering yet there are still a lot of things to look forward to

 

[HereNThere]

Official Chapter

I'm glad we get another call back to the stamina flaw we saw Tanjirou suffer from back in the Red Light District. Iguro was seriously about to pass his limit and die.

 

[Sato-san]

Wonderful chapter.
It seems Inosuke’s blade slows Muzan’s regeneration. Either that, or he was just analyzing his own wound and that’s what slowed down his regeneration.

 

[revo]

This panel

Great chapter, finally seeing most of everyone fighting together. I was ready to see Iguro die but I'm very glad he didn't, though I can see the author killing more characters here in the future.
The comedy in the middle of the fight was nice as always, I missed Zenitsu a lot. Hopefully Giyuu takes a little of spotlight in the next chapter too.

 

[Gallon]

I'm kind of surprised by how calm Muzan has been for most of the battle. He seems the narcissistic type that drowns in rage once pesky little flies touch his majestic body, but no, he's more analytical than I thought.

 

[levi12]

haha himejima say Kanao,zenitsu and Inosuke still alive? Did he think they die because of the falling fotress I doubt its because Douma battle and fight against Kaigaku.

 

[Admiral Teach]

Yeah, it's weird. I can reach mangaplus through the links provided here, but not by the link on a search engine. Bizarre I tell you.

Anyway, great chapter. The humor didn't work for me too much but it's still good.

 

[kkck]

I'm kind of surprised by how calm Muzan has been for most of the battle. He seems the narcissistic type that drowns in rage once pesky little flies touch his majestic body, but no, he's more analytical than I thought.

Agreed, it is a tad different from what we should expect. I suppose we see a bit of that during his fight with yorichi as well. As in, when yorichi has seemingly cornered muzan... muzan decides to explode and run away. Muzan must have been seething with rage but he had the sense to escape at least. Muzan does definitely have a violently narcissistic side though and there is a good chance that this will show at some point.

 

[pamuchi]

I'll reply here since the thread will be derailed @Tamil

Don't forget they are using Yushiro talisman's, without them they wouldn't have a chance against him, it's more easier to go invisible and attack him and not get hit and become a hindrance in battle. (Now that Muzan is aware of them, it will be harder for them to attack) Their resistance and stamina are comparable to pillars, if anything Kanao's being there makes sense since she's already a pillar tier.

And about the "asspull" thing, they have already revealed their final techniques, Inosuke can go an create new techniques anytime since well, it's him.

 

[Sato-san]

I'm kind of surprised by how calm Muzan has been for most of the battle. He seems the narcissistic type that drowns in rage once pesky little flies touch his majestic body, but no, he's more analytical than I thought.

Agreed, it is a tad different from what we should expect. I suppose we see a bit of that during his fight with yorichi as well. As in, when yorichi has seemingly cornered muzan... muzan decides to explode and run away. Muzan must have been seething with rage but he had the sense to escape at least. Muzan does definitely have a violently narcissistic side though and there is a good chance that this will show at some point.

He showed a little bit of that when Zenitsu and Kanao were attacking him after figuring out what was going on. That’s what got him struck by Iguro the second time.