Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Seven777]

Which Kyria had no means to backing up that claim, she does not, she never listens (except once but that is only with circumstances are not favorable), skullion just gets in the way everytime, Kyria does not stop because that is her gimmick, to simply fight for the sake of fighting, moving is not the same as fighting which she could not do, incapacitation is to be unable to do something in a normal way, I could say the same thing to you if you are not going to listen.

Literally every time Skullion has called a retreat, that's what has happened. Skullion is top dog, Kyria is his bottom bitch. If he says retreat then the trio retreat, Kyria literally has no other choice.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Literally every time Skullion has called a retreat, that's what has happened. Skullion is top dog, Kyria is his bottom bitch. If he says retreat then the trio retreat, Kyria literally has no other choice.

No point, it’s like people don’t actually read the manga they debate here. I’m tired of repeating myself, I’ll let people think they’re right by getting the last word.

 

[WoWfan]

Literally every time Skullion has called a retreat, that's what has happened. Skullion is top dog, Kyria is his bottom bitch. If he says retreat then the trio retreat, Kyria literally has no other choice.

When he calls a retreat it is against Kyria’s will, she screams and moans and tries to continue fighting, every time which forces his hand, she does not cooperate unless there is a reason to. Which was once and that was only recently.

Crimson, You seem to be reading a different manga because what you have been saying did not happen in the manga, you can complain all you want but in the end you can’t make things up like that

 

[Seven777]

When he calls a retreat it is against Kyria’s will, she screams and moans and tries to continue fighting, every time which forces his hand, she does not cooperate unless there is a reason to. Which was once and that was only recently.

Crimson, You seem to be reading a different manga because what you have been saying did not happen in the manga, you can complain all you want but in the end you can’t make things up like that

She bitches... she moans.... and she always bends to his will, always. She has never attempted to keep on fighting after he's ordered a retreat, she can't. If Skullion says retreat she has no other choice but to retreat, there is nothing she can do to stop him.
If she could keep on fighting after being incapacitated by Laxus, then she can keep on fighting after not being incapacitated by Erza.

No point, it’s like people don’t actually read the manga they debate here. I’m tired of repeating myself, I’ll let people think they’re right by getting the last word.

Oh he knows you're right, he just keeps arguing anyway because he's incapable of stopping himself. This is the dude that actually argued that transforming from a 50ft tall dragon into a 5ft tall woman, isn't magic. Lol, he literally said it's normal and likened it to a T-shirt being shrunk in the wash. That said, he rarely quotes people, so he's easy to ignore

 

[WoWfan]

She does not, there is nothing that proves that she does, she has everytime she Skullion or Madmole interferes, can’t is not the same as won’t, learn the difference between the two, when he says retreat, she does the oposited, that is why Skullion does the ash thing, what stopped her was the fact that if she “ate“ laxus she would be under the WM’s control, if you read the chapter, you would know this. since Laxus incapacitated her, then Erza did the same thing, plain and simple. And stop with the condescending, you know you are wrong so why bother simply I have more to offer than you can and you fail to pay attention to the details. Hiro Stated that magic is just making things in real life easier to accomplish, even science is applied in the manga, get over it. I don’t quote people who don’t know what happened in the manga.

 

[Seven777]

She does not, there is nothing that proves that she does, she has everytime she Skullion or Madmole interferes, can’t is not the same as won’t, learn the difference between the two, when he says retreat, she does the oposited, that is why Skullion does the ash thing, what stopped her was the fact that if she “ate“ laxus she would be under the WM’s control, if you read the chapter, you would know this. since Laxus incapacitated her, then Erza did the same thing, plain and simple. And stop with the condescending, you know you are wrong so why bother simply I have more to offer than you can and you fail to pay attention to the details. Hiro Stated that magic is just making things in real life easier to accomplish, even science is applied in the manga, get over it. I don’t quote people who don’t know what happened in the manga.

Nah, Laxus had her down before he even used Roaring Thunder, she still got up. Erza couldn't even manage to that with Belserion, so obviously she could still fight.
Show me Kyria fighting after Skullion says retreat.

Ha, the guy who goes on about how everyone other than himself doesn't read the manga wants me to stop being condescending? Good luck with that

 

[WoWfan]

Does not matter, she was unable to fight regardless, same with Erza, what she did after was not really fighting, just taking advantage and attempting to eat, that is not fighting. You seem to forget that she was incapable of fighting. Fighting by definition is taking part in a violent struggle that involves powerful blows or weapons, she did none of those. I said Skullion interferes as Kyria tries to fight back, even Madmole tries to stop her despite Skullion forcing her to retreat

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hey, at least I understand the manga better than you who makes up accusations, I say people, not everyone, learn how to read why don’t you.

 

[grey matter]

This is going to be my last post on the matter, if this can't convince you, its not likely anything else I say will.

Fam she tanked it, she gets up and is ready to fight:

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Kyria didn't go down. If she went down to that Laxus wouldn't have bothered pulling out a Secret Art to KO her.

Damn.
You've finally convinced me of this lol. Without clap hax, Jacob isn't taking this.

I guess Laxus is just that much stronger than unbuffed Erza. Even as a Laxus guy, I still underestimated how powerful the GOAT is compared to Erza lol.
The Dragon Seal, and Gray + Natsu swords 100% up'd her by a tier, so that she can match Laxus.

 

[Jko]

Lucy had her arms up and that knife was way too small to do any real damage. Besides, Jacob ended up hitting Lucy a bunch of times later on and she was fine. It's not just Lucy. Jacob's attacks haven't done much to...well, anyone. Natsu is fine. Lucy is fine. Even Mirajane without any takeovers is fine.

Cana wasn't going all out before Mavis told her to. When she did go all out, she vaporizes Mavis' spirit and then the entire crystal is shattered. Jacob's attack made a single crack that doesn't even spread the entire width of the crystal. I mean, just looking at the crystal: Not only did Cana create more cracks, but each one of the individual cracks was larger than the only crack that Jacob made. Cana's all out Fairy Glitter is so obviously stronger than Jacob's attack. You can argue that Jacob's attacks were "casual" but it's not like he's shown anything else.

A knife thrown by a super human is much more deadly. Natsu wouldn't have jumped in if he thought Lucy could take the attack. Mira w/o takeover was able to take several attacks from a girl who oneshotted her out of her strongest takeover. Mira was also capable of beating the Wall's power bot w/o the use of her takeover magic as well.

Yes, but it still had been hit several times over by FG still beforehand. The attack made one crack which which led to multiple of them due to the crystal structure being compromised. Jacob was hitting harder than FG as his casual attack could have destroyed the crystal had he just hit her a couple more times. It only took one more crack to cause the rest of the crystal to break.

No he wasn't, he specifically said he was going to torture her to death.

He says he was going to chop her by pieces lol.

 

[Axiomus]

A knife thrown by a super human is much more deadly. Natsu wouldn't have jumped in if he thought Lucy could take the attack. Mira w/o takeover was able to take several attacks from a girl who oneshotted her out of her strongest takeover. Mira was also capable of beating the Wall's power bot w/o the use of her takeover magic as well.

Yes, but it still had been hit several times over by FG still beforehand. The attack made one crack which which led to multiple of them due to the crystal structure being compromised. Jacob was hitting harder than FG as his casual attack could have destroyed the crystal had he just hit her a couple more times. It only took one more crack to cause the rest of the crystal to break.

Superhuman speed? Lucy reacted to it. She had her hands up over her face and ready to block. You seriously want me to believe that the knife was going to cut off Lucy's arms and then her head? At best that knife was going to slightly cut Lucy on the arms. Also, Jacob can say whatever he wants. I don't care because he doesn't back up the talk,. Lucy walked out of the fight perfectly fine after taking several shots from Jacob later in the fight. No serious injuries. No serious drain on her stamina. Kyria oneshotted Lucy. Kyria has also managed to cut Natsu's arms and Erza's sword with her magic, far more than what Jacob can accomplish with his dagger (which doesn't even scratch Natsu). Or are you trying to tell me that Jacob's knife can cut Erza's katana too?

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Mirajane was getting wrecked by Seilah. She was holding on to Seilah's legs and desperately trying to take her over. By the end of the fight, she was on the ground. Jacob didn't wreck Mirajane. Jacob didn't even make Mirajane desperate. She calmly tanked his hits until she recovered enough magic to use Satan Soul, and then oneshotted him with the first punch she threw. It's not even close the difference in performance.

Cana not going all out with Fairy Glitter causes no cracks, but nobody cares about Cana not going all out though. Fairy Glitter isn't actually that powerful if it's not used correctly. Bluenote was able to beat it. Heck, Lucy was even able to stop it with Aries' stardress. Unless we're talking about Cana using Fairy Glitter seriously, then I'm not impressed. Jacob would need several more attacks to break the crystal. Fairy Glitter caused several cracks on the crystal, and each crack was bigger than Jacob's crack.

 

[WoWfan]

even if she reacted to them, there was no guarantee that a limb or two wouldn't be chopped off, that is how kinetic energy and blades works, the faster the object with mass it, the more power it has behind it, if it was enough for Natsu to protect Lucy, then it was dangerous. Even an axe can split wood into pieces as great enough power without covering the entire diameter. Jacob was even holding back most of the fight with Natsu and Lucy.

and Mira did defeat Seliah in base form, it just shows how powerful she was even without Satan Soul, she already recovered magic when she fought against Jacob, that is why she tanked his hits, she doesn’t like to fight seriously when there are people around.

 

[Axiomus]

even if she reacted to them, there was no guarantee that a limb or two wouldn't be chopped off, that is how kinetic energy and blades works, the faster the object with mass it, the more power it has behind it, if it was enough for Natsu to protect Lucy, then it was dangerous. Even an axe can split wood into pieces as great enough power without covering the entire diameter. Jacob was even holding back most of the fight with Natsu and Lucy.

and Mira did defeat Seliah in base form, it just shows how powerful she was even without Satan Soul, she already recovered magic when she fought against Jacob, that is why she tanked his hits, she doesn’t like to fight seriously when there are people around.

If Lucy could react to them, then it couldn't be all that fast. Jacob's not that fast btw. Makarov can literally throw Happy between his hands before he can clap. Mirajane tracked him by looking at the footsteps in the ground. He's been tagged by everyone he's fought.... Lucy, Natsu, Loke, Makarov, and Mirajane. Jacob simply doesn't have any good feats. The argument that he was holding back against Natsu and Lucy doesn't really hold any water. He actually got pissed off after the NaLu kick combo, so every attack after that point can be considered serious. His performance is no different when he fought Mirajane, and there's no reason to hold back on the power of his punches in this fight.

Mirajane defeated Seilah in her base form?

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Mirajane desperately clung on to Seialah's leg to takeover her macro. Then got cut up and couldn't even get off the ground. Sure, Mirajane used macro to summon Elfman, but that's not Mirajane defeating Seilah in base. The fact that Elfman got here so soon mean that he was already close by because, as we know, Elfman is slow.

 

[Foukun]

The argument that Lucy would have died or been severely damaged from Jacob knife is so ridicules.
Hiro needed something to introduce Natsu to the fight, Even the dialogue that followed him stopping the knife was so out of place and did not make sense which just shows how Hiro make things on a whim.

Lucy received multiple attacks from Jacob, if that knife would had killed/Damaged her other would have too.

 

[WoWfan]

You do realized that throughout the series, characters have reacted to attacks that move at lightning speed or even light based attacks right? it is not just about reacting to it, it is about whether she would have stopped said attack without taking damage, and since Natsu interfered, it would strongly suggest it would have.

Mirajane even in base form took attacks from Seliah in her strongest and still kept on fighting, that is how strong even without satan soul she is. even then, her magic proved to be strong enough to affect Seliah even most magics is based on a level of strength. Makarov did not through Happy, he just appeared out of nowhere. Jacob scales to Spriggans who scale to Brandish who can destroy countries. even Hiro stated that they are the strongest enemies FT faced, that makes them stronger than dragons.

And all of Jacob's attacks trashed Natsu and Lucy, even before that when he was holding back was still impressive enough.

 

[Axiomus]

You do realized that throughout the series, characters have reacted to attacks that move at lightning speed or even light based attacks right? it is not just about reacting to it, it is about whether she would have stopped said attack without taking damage, and since Natsu interfered, it would strongly suggest it would have.

Mirajane even in base form took attacks from Seliah in her strongest and still kept on fighting, that is how strong even without satan soul she is. even then, her magic proved to be strong enough to affect Seliah even most magics is based on a level of strength. Makarov did not through Happy, he just appeared out of nowhere. Jacob scales to Spriggans who scale to Brandish who can destroy countries. even Hiro stated that they are the strongest enemies FT faced, that makes them stronger than dragons.

And all of Jacob's attacks trashed Natsu and Lucy, even before that when he was holding back was still impressive enough.

I never claimed that Lucy would take no damage from the attack. But again, she had her hands up protecting her head. The knife would have to cut off her arm and then her head. If someone could throw a knife so hard that it chops off my hand and then continues on to chop off my head, then he would probably smash my bones with punches or kicks. Jacob landed like 20 shots unanswered on Lucy, and she's still in fighting shape. Like near optimal shape.

Of course Makarov threw Happy. Or someone did. Unless you think the universe just randomly warped Happy into Jacob's hands, which is absurd.

Mirajane was beaten to exhaustion and unable to move. Had it not been for the fact that Elfman was close by, she would have continued to take a beating from Seilah without the ability to fight back.

Oh boy. Stronger than dragons, country-busting Jacob. This is where I take my cue and yeet it. I'm not dealing with this.

 

[WoWfan]

I never claimed that Lucy would take no damage from the attack. But again, she had her hands up protecting her head. The knife would have to cut off her arm and then her head. If someone could throw a knife so hard that it chops off my hand and then continues on to chop off my head, then he would probably smash my bones with punches or kicks. Jacob landed like 20 shots unanswered on Lucy, and she's still in fighting shape. Like near optimal shape.

Of course Makarov threw Happy. Or someone did. Unless you think the universe just randomly warped Happy into Jacob's hands, which is absurd.

Mirajane was beaten to exhaustion and unable to move. Had it not been for the fact that Elfman was close by, she would have continued to take a beating from Seilah without the ability to fight back.

Oh boy. Stronger than dragons, country-busting Jacob. This is where I take my cue and yeet it. I'm not dealing with this.

you are also forgetting that it is a blade as well which is meant to cut through them, Lucy has shown to be able to tank blunt attacks before an keep fighting, and she has gotten stronger since the time skip. and remember, Jacob deliberately held back so as to torture her so Mavis would tell him where FH is. well everything of nature is based on magic, even, time and space, and concepts are magic too, so I would not be surprised if it did. She was still able to move and fight back for most of the chapter in her base form. Mira's usage of Macro works regardless of distance. not country busting, but scaling Jacob to country busting Brandish.

 

[Axiomus]

you are also forgetting that it is a blade as well which is meant to cut through them, Lucy has shown to be able to tank blunt attacks before an keep fighting, and she has gotten stronger since the time skip. and remember, Jacob deliberately held back so as to torture her so Mavis would tell him where FH is. well everything of nature is based on magic, even concepts are magic too, so I would not be surprised if it did. She was still able to move and fight back for most of the chapter in her base form. Mira's usage of Macro works regardless of distance. not country busting, but scaling Jacob to country busting Brandish.

Jacob stopped holding back after Natsu and Lucy kicked him. He got mad and wanted to kill everyone. There like no difference in his attack power from Jacob holding back to him getting serious. Besides, even if you tripled Jacob's strength when he's "holding back", it's still not impressive.

Concepts are magic? What is that even supposed to mean. Did you watch Rax's stream debate and then just decide to just say "concepts" in everything? Concepts are magic, and therefore Happy randomly teleported into Jacob's hands......


Even if I hype Brandish's attack power to country busting, Jacob scales to Brandish only in terms of MP. He doesn't have any country busting attacks. Also, if you want to use Brandish as a scaling....Irene's enchantments on Neinhart made him stronger than Brandish. Doesn't mean everyone stronger than Neinhart is a country buster.

Sure, Macro could be used over long distances. Doesn't change the fact Elfman would have had to been close by, because Elfman himself is slow. He had to physically make it to Mirajane's location. Macro can't teleport stuff.

 

[WoWfan]

Jacob stopped holding back after Natsu and Lucy kicked him. He got mad and wanted to kill everyone. There like no difference in his attack power from Jacob holding back to him getting serious. Besides, even if you tripled Jacob's strength when he's "holding back", it's still not impressive.

Concepts are magic? What is that even supposed to mean. Did you watch Rax's stream debate and then just decide to just say "concepts" in everything? Concepts are magic, and therefore Happy randomly teleported into Jacob's hands......


Even if I hype Brandish's attack power to country busting, Jacob scales to Brandish only in terms of MP. He doesn't have any country busting attacks. Also, if you want to use Brandish as a scaling....Irene's enchantments on Neinhart made him stronger than Brandish. Doesn't mean everyone stronger than Neinhart is a country buster.

Sure, Macro could be used over long distances. Doesn't change the fact Elfman would have had to been close by, because Elfman himself is slow. He had to physically make it to Mirajane's location. Macro can't teleport stuff.

Jacob was basically owning them when that happened, it is not about multiplying it is a matter of being unable to do anything to someone who takes things more seriously. besides, even Brandish, another country level character while holding back damaged Lucy too and she could still fight, the outcome between both instances are nigh indifferent. When Anna was talking about the Spaces between Time, they are described as not power but concepts, and they have magic. I never watched Rax's stream debates, I don't even know what he streams on. For the Happy thing, I am simply saying that as a rhetorical response, but the universe does operate in unique ways. and MP is based on one's strength, that is how it works, even Physical attacks have magic power behind them. Neinhart was the only Spriggan who was physically weak, even with empowerments from Irene. Macro may not teleport, but it can alter one's stats, that is another ability it has, though I will grant you that Elfman was likely near by, but doesn't change that Mira in base is still strong.

 

[Axiomus]

Jacob was basically owning them when that happened, it is not about multiplying it is a matter of being unable to do anything to someone who takes things more seriously. besides, even Brandish, another country level character while holding back damaged Lucy too and she could still fight, the outcome between both instances are nigh indifferent. When Anna was talking about the Spaces between Time, they are described as not power but concepts, and they have magic. I never watched Rax's stream debates, I don't even know what he streams on. For the Happy thing, I am simply saying that as a rhetorical response, but the universe does operate in unique ways. and MP is based on one's strength, that is how it works, even Physical attacks have magic power behind them. Neinhart was the only Spriggan who was physically weak, even with empowerments from Irene. Macro may not teleport, but it can alter one's stats, that is another ability it has, though I will grant you that Elfman was likely near by, but doesn't change that Mira in base is still strong.

Jacob did no damage. Jacob hit them a bunch of times, unanswered. Did pretty much nothing. They walked off his attacks after the fight and immeidately went after August. The moment Makarov decided it was time to stop playing around, Jacob got smacked. Then he threw Natsu outside the guild, and the moment Natsu went all out, Jacob got wrecked.

Yeah, I dunno how space between time got dragged into this conversation. Someone threw Happy between Jacob's hands (Happy was surprised too). It was probably Makarov. It wouldn't even matter if someone else did it. Makarov is stronger than everyone except Natsu at the guild.

Brandish wasn't hitting Lucy with any country level attacks lol. The strongest attack Lucy was hit by was her own Aqua Metria reflected back at her, and that is not a country level attack. Inb4Lucy is country level. Also, where was it ever stated that Neinhart was physically weak?

Macro can release someone's limit, but Mirajane never used that on Elfman. Also, yes it does. If Elfman wasn't nearby, he wouldn't have been able to save Mirajane from Seilah. Mirajane wasn't winning or even evenly matched with Seilah in their brawl. Seilah was clearly dominating until Elfman knocked her out.

 

[WoWfan]

Did damage, as to all the bruises shown on them, he even cut them up a bit, remember, this is Jacob holding back. Makarov’s attack didn’t nothing to harm Jacob, it was only Natsu’s serious FDKM heat and while Jacob is in the air that really did anything. You asked how concepts are magic so I gave you an answer, that is how it is. Happy was more in pain than surprised. Jacob is stronger than Makarov, even when powered up by Wraith, Natsu wrecked him. It doesn’t matter, even when holding back, Lucy held Her own against someone who can demolish countries. Brandish even used her own magic against Lucy, size does not matter as even small attacks can still scale to their strongest feats which is common throughout the series, it’s called Attack Potency. Neinhart being in hiding for most of the battle, having his historia fight for him. Mirajane was tanking each hit from strongest Seilah form, hardly even matters with how Mira can still use magic even then.