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Guys, why are we arguing physics of all things in this series?

My any logic, Brandish "shrinking" a city size island to pea size completely throws it out of the window lol. It directly violates conservation of mass. (Brandish can 'hold them' in her arms)

Also, there is no separate physics and chemistry. It's all physics when we break it down anyway
It funny, but in theory "no" xD She maybe just compress particles.

It started when someone tried to advocate why Natsu fail on boiling water is not his nerf, and it's pretty logical why he can not cast his magic underwater...
 

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Nobody has been nerfed. Period. A real nerf would be like Thor getting fat in Endgame when he almost killed Thanos in Infinity War. Or in Fairy Tail, like when Makarov started having health issues or Laxus getting poisoned.

Natsu beating Gajeel is a more impressive feat than beating Jacob or Neinhart, because Gajeel can kill Bloodman. Beating someone that can kill a Spriggan is more impressive than simply beating a Spriggan. Bloodman isn't a warlock.... I don't even know what that means. Bloodman even throws melee attacks. Gajeel said that Bloodman's magic power is the lowest out of the Spriggan 12 because it is. Bloodman uses curse power, and he has Spriggan level curse power

Lucy wasn't even serious injured against Jacob after being hit like 20 times. Levy wasn't hit by Natsu even once. He couldn't muster up the will to actually punch her because she was pregnant.

Mirajane and Elfman didn't deal more damage to Bloodman than FDK Natsu. Madmole was barely scratched against Mirajane and Elfman. FDK Purgatory actually managed to knock Madmole off his feet and seriously damage Madmole. It was impressive enough for Skullion to order a retreat.

Makarov had more magic power than Wraith. The Spriggans probably have more magic power than Wraith too. Despite having all of that MP, Jacob's attack power still sucks. If the Alvarez arc has taught us anything, it's that having higher MP is meaningless unless it actually translates into something useful.

Ignia's flames dragonized Natsu were hot enough to burn his own arms. Overpowering Mercphobia's serious roar and burning away all of Mercphobia's remaining magic power for the rest of his life is more impressive than setting the ground on fire....which has never actually been impressive. Natsu literally used Mercphobia to smash the city, so I dunno what you are on about when you say the environment was untouched.
To be completely fair, Gajeel no longer has the ability he had when he beat Bradman. He cannot go into DF by will, nor can does he have ability MBP

Ignia's power isn't Natsu's either. Can't use that to argue something regarding current Natsu IMO

Agreed with the rest
 

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We may talk about it for a long time.

Larcade stopped Archenemy with single finger (bare finger). At same type Archenemy is powerful enough to cut entire hill and wound Erza.

So, let's continue that logic. Larcade with one finger stopped attack which is pretty enough to wound Erza -> Kyria should be instantly defeated with mere appearance of Larcade, right ?
None of this has anything to do with what I just said, or Kyria vs Jacob.

But no. Archnemesis is powerful enough to cut through a city block and injure Erza, but Erza ultimately defeated Kagura. Then she released second origin and defeated Minerva. Then she had a 1 year timeskip, where she grew even stronger. Then she got a katana enchanted with dragon slaying magic to fight Kyria. By the time Erza is facing off against Kyria, she is much stronger than when she faced off against Kagura. Larcade can probably wound Erza. Probably even be able to beat Kyria in a good fight. He's not beating Kyria with her mere presence though. Especially not considering Kyria has dragon force in her back pocket, and nobody can even hurt her without dragon slaying magic if she dragonizes.
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To be completely fair, Gajeel no longer has the ability he had when he beat Bradman. He cannot go into DF by will, nor can does he have ability MBP

Ignia's power isn't Natsu's either. Can't use that to argue something regarding current Natsu IMO

Agreed with the rest
True, but but Gajeel could have actually touched Bloodman with his shadows. He just didn't realize it. I don't consider the form he had against Bloodman as dragon force. He would have said it if it was.

Ignia's flames is being compared to Igneel's magic power, so it's temporary power-up versus temporary power-up.
 

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Yet standard weapons were enough to bring down Laxus, someone who is stronger than Kyria, so the Belserion sword was just hax and nothing impressive. Larcade oneshots Kyria. DE DF is one shot by a puny attack from a very weakened Irene, who is not on the same level as no flex Brandish, so that is enough to show that DE are weak. Gajeel could touch Bloodman without shadows, he was just not on the same level as Bloodman though without eating his power to gain the same strength, Ignia’s flames are hax based as they can burn anything, even Natsu
 

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None of this has anything to do with what I just said, or Kyria vs Jacob.

But no. Archnemesis is powerful enough to cut through a city block and injure Erza, but Erza ultimately defeated Kagura. Then she released second origin and defeated Minerva. Then she had a 1 year timeskip, where she grew even stronger. Then she got a katana enchanted with dragon slaying magic to fight Kyria. By the time Erza is facing off against Kyria, she is much stronger than when she faced off against Kagura. Larcade can probably wound Erza. Probably even be able to beat Kyria in a good fight. He's not beating Kyria with her mere presence though. Especially not considering Kyria has dragon force in her back pocket, and nobody can even hurt her without dragon slaying magic if she dragonizes.
Kagura had 1 year timeskip as well and also got stronger.

How enchanted with dragon slaying magic Erza katana correspond with our discussion, if Kyria never tanked that sword ?
I believed with "taking by bare skin" you mean regular sword.
With Belserion it was effectively oneshot on Kyria.

With your last statement...

Mere spirit of Irene with weak body of Wendy defeated dragonized Nebal (who stronger then trio DE)...... (bing!).... without any dragon slaying magic,
 

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Kagura had 1 year timeskip as well and also got stronger.

How enchanted with dragon slaying magic Erza katana correspond with our discussion, if Kyria never tanked that sword ?
I believed with "taking by bare skin" you mean regular sword.
With Belserion it was effectively oneshot on Kyria.

With your last statement...

Mere spirit of Irene with weak body of Wendy defeated dragonized Nebal (who stronger then trio DE)...... (bing!).... without any dragon slaying magic,
She was weaker than Erza without second origin. Second origin put Erza into a class of her own. Kagura hasn't kept pace.

No I meant the belserion sword. Kyria broke the sword enchanted with dragon slaying magic. Then Erza used the magic within the sword to create a magical blade, which Kyria tanked without getting cut.

Irene is a dragon slayer. The original dragon slayer at that. So is Wendy.
 

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When did Kyria break the Belserion sword? Kyria was one shot as she required Skullion to save her, even then she was incapacitated and could not fight. Doesn’t matter, Irene still used Non DSM and a spell weaker than no flex Spriggan
 

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FT was alive because ucy got them out, they would have died anyway if they had stayed there any longer. It really does because Transport would have contradicted how things went down. Well the story And statement says otherwise so there you go, Kyria is still weaker than Neinhart since she could not even scratch Jellal and Neinhart one shot him
Neinhart never 'one shot' Jellal.

He was barely even damaged by that attack, he was unconscious because he ingested a lot of water by force of Neinhart's spell. Which was why he was up, fine and dandy, once Kagura sucked out the water from him. We didn't see any sign of damage in Jellal, not even a scratch.

Also, Neinhart isn't really fodder in attack power. Neinhart is high in magic power, and above average in attack power. He's just fodder in durability. Neinhart by himself cannot beat Kiria, but he can summon any Spriggan Historia, and power them to mid-high level Spriggan in order to beat Kiria
 

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When did Kyria break the Belserion sword? Kyria was one shot as she required Skullion to save her, even then she was incapacitated and could not fight. Doesn’t matter, Irene still used Non DSM and a spell weaker than no flex Spriggan
The sword that Kyria broke was the belserion sword. Kyria broke the blade of that sword, and Erza used the magic enchanted in the sword to create a magical blade. Kyria thought that she could cut down all of team Natsu. She was in worse shape after Laxus gave her a beating, and she's still able to get back up to throw roars at him.

Irene used a separation enchantment to remove Nebal's magic from him. Can Jacob do this? Nope. Can Jacob damage dragon scales? Also nope. The series has stated over and over again that nothing can damage dragon scales except dragon slaying magic. So far, nothing has proven to be an exception. Even Irene defeating Nebal was done without actually damaging Nebal's dragon scales. She just removed his magic. Something that Jacob so obviously can't do with his stealth, knives, or hand to hand attacks.
 

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He did, why do you think Kagura had to revive him. That is not enough time for water to sink into him (lol sink) as he already hit the sea floor with great force. We did not even see Kagura trie to get the water out, it can be an entirely different case for mouth to mouth, or she was just infatuated with him (lol), anyway, Kyria did not even hurt Jellal while Neinhart clearly did

no, Belserion sword is different than the katana one which is what she broke, and even then it was not an impressive feat considering her power is hax. Kyria is all bark and no bite as she was still incapacitate, and is somewhat a coward for not actually fighting. Irene still used Offensive power which is still weaker than no flexing Spriggan, you are sounding like Dragons are immune to everything which is a NLF, Hiro already stated Spriggans are the strongest enemies there is, even stronger than Dragons (apart from Acno and 5DG), Jacob can just transport him and end it, it is not that hard
 
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Well, i think need to stop here, i just notice that:


"Who wins???" Acnologia vs Kiria


7 from 15 ppl on forum (or 46,7%) believe Kyria will win against Acnologia ...

What poor Jacob is able to do in these conditions...
 

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Well, i think need to stop here, i just notice that:


"Who wins???" Acnologia vs Kiria

7 from 15 ppl on forum (or 46,7%) believe Kyria will win against Acnologia ...

What poor Jacob is able to do in these conditions...
OMG, this DE hype shit is really ridiculous i have lost faith in mankind, please, drill into my skull and lobotomize my cognitive skills so I do not have to suffer such nonsense.
 

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It's funny, because that was a joke thread....and the only people that voted for Kyria in that thread were people trying to make fun of her. But okay.

no, Belserion sword is different than the katana one which is what she broke, and even then it was not an impressive feat considering her power is hax. Kyria is all bark and no bite as she was still incapacitate, and is somewhat a coward for not actually fighting. Irene still used Offensive power which is still weaker than no flexing Spriggan, you are sounding like Dragons are immune to everything which is a NLF, Hiro already stated Spriggans are the strongest enemies there is, even stronger than Dragons (apart from Acno and 5DG), Jacob can just transport him and end it, it is not that hard
It's literally the same sword. Wendy enchanted dragon slaying magic into the sword. When Kyria broke the blade, Erza used the magic within to create a new blade.

Dragons aren't immune to everything, but the series has flat out stated multiple times that nothing except dragon slaying magic can pierce dragon scales. Irene even said that even though Erza can break her meteor, she still can't break dragon scales. Which means the power to pierce dragon scales needs to be vastly greater than Erza's meteor shattering feat. Jacob is nowhere near this level. Kyria is already capable of tanking everything Jacob throws at her without dragon force. Turning into a literal dragon would be overkill. Transport is restricted here.
 

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This is ridiculous, Jacob couldn't put Lucy down whereas Kyria KO'd a superior version of Lucy down with one attack. She's far more durable too and is at the very least on par with Jacob in CQC.

Kyria is getting massively underestimated by anyone saying Jacob wins without Transport.
Well, i think need to stop here, i just notice that:


"Who wins???" Acnologia vs Kiria

7 from 15 ppl on forum (or 46,7%) believe Kyria will win against Acnologia ...

What poor Jacob is able to do in these conditions...
OMG, this DE hype shit is really ridiculous i have lost faith in mankind, please, drill into my skull and lobotomize my cognitive skills so I do not have to suffer such nonsense.
Are you two actually trying to say Kyria is getting wanked because of one troll fight thread that was locked since it was a joke?

lmao
 

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Are you two actually trying to say Kyria is getting wanked because of one troll fight thread that was locked since it was a joke?
Core members of troll gang are pretty similar in both topics. Troll once, will troll again, right?
 

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That is not the same sword, it was not even Belserion Sword until she uses it, which was still her standard katana. Dragons are not the strongest beings as stated by Hiro himself, I prefer word of God over anything you say. Irene is much stronger than most dragon, so are the other Spriggans, she cannot tank standard level strikes from Erza with hax behind it.
This is ridiculous, Jacob couldn't put Lucy down whereas Kyria KO'd a superior version of Lucy down with one attack. She's far more durable too and is at the very least on par with Jacob in CQC.

Kyria is getting massively underestimated by anyone saying Jacob wins without Transport.



Are you two actually trying to say Kyria is getting wanked because of one troll fight thread that was locked since it was a joke?

lmao
Well that is obviously the case when claiming Kyria does Something when she could not, like slicing off limbs when Jacob’s knife could.
 

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Kyria is a seasoned warrior. Who uses blades and swords to fight CQC on a regular basis.

Jacob is an assassin with nothing more than a knife at his disposal. His job as an assassin is to use transport and catch people off guard and put them into his dimension.

You'd have to be out of your mind if you believe Jacob without Transport can defeat Kyria. Even if he goes invisible and hits her his attacks won't hurt her. At all.
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Like , just compare , serial murderer vs warrior , who do you think will win ?
 

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I agree with Fyron xD

But he still lost one thing.

Assassin should kill with 1st hit, Any warrior withstand assassination.
Tank may tank lethal damage. Warrior - no.

Like , just compare , serial murderer vs warrior , who do you think will win ?
Serial murderer, because he caught warrior off-guard.
 

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Jason has more than knives, he still overpowered Natsu and Natsu with no magic is the same level as Madmole.
 

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That is not the same sword, it was not even Belserion Sword until she uses it, which was still her standard katana. Dragons are not the strongest beings as stated by Hiro himself, I prefer word of God over anything you say. Irene is much stronger than most dragon, so are the other Spriggans, she cannot tank standard level strikes from Erza with hax behind it.
Oh my lord. It's literally the same sword. Kyria breaks the blade. Magic power comes out of the broken blade, creating a new magical blade, Kyria asks what that sword is, Erza explains that Wendy enchanted the sword with dragon slaying magic, and then Erza calls it the belserion sword.

The strongest top.....7 characters are all dragons. Acnologia, Igneel, and the 5 god dragons. Hell, Irene is a dragon. She's the first dragon slayer, and Irene her strongest form is her dragon form.
 
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