Natsu in LFDM used his secret art and still couldn't take down etherious Tempesta, Tempesta in his base form was also wrecking Base Natsu and that's the Tempesta that Laxus one-shot.
You're right about LFD Natsu not taking down Etherious Tempesta. I never denied that. However, just keep in mind that it was Torafusa's Black Water that took Natsu out. Had the fight lasted longer, Natsu may be able to defeat Etherious Tempesta. I have no proof of this so I won't use it as a fact. What I can say for a fact is that Natsu would defeat Etherious Tempesta just by going Dragon Force.
Whether Hades met Gildarts or not is pure speculation, the fact is that Hades said that Laxus was "of Gildarts calibre" and Laxus performed far better than everyone else against Hades alone, Hades could easily have intel on Gildarts and his power. He also said that it was up to someone from fairy tail to take down Hades because it was their fight. You also can't deny the fact that Makarov said that Jura was as strong as Gildarts when he saw Jura's display of power, yet Laxus proceeded to beat Jura. That's right, Makarov saw Jura's display of strength and compared it to Gildarts, what more do you want?
Okay, well if what I said is speculation, then yours is too so we would have to negate that topic. Unless only your way works and mine never does... Honestly, it doesn't matter whether Hades said Laxus is Gildarts level or not. He still hasn't been familiar with Gildarts' power except sending his right-hand man, Bluenote, to try to defeat him. If Hades thought Bluenote could defeat Fairy Tail which includes Gildarts, then that is proof right there that he didn't know the extent of their powers. Basically, this is like me saying that you are comparable to a Sumo Wrestler in real life. How would I know that? I don't. So assumptions are invalid.
People in this manga can clearly sense power level's as seen time and time again with the Spriggan 12, Mira was commenting on Jura's power level and comparing it to her's and Erza's to see whether or not they could take them and she was doubtful.
Once again, what is said and what is done is two separate matters. Everybody hyped Jura during Oración Seis Arc. Was he the star there? Not really. Similarly, everyone hyped Jura in Alvarez Arc. What did he do against God Serena? Nothing. Feats are the only reliable source. Hype should be used when a character has no feats yet has been hinted to have potential. Because Jura already has feats like being overwhelmed by Oración Seis and having an even match against Jellal, then those are what we use to compare against other characters. That alone can be matched to Gildarts' feats which are way superior. Sure, Laxus defeats Jura. How about Gildarts? Nothing would back that up, instead, more evidence points the other way around.
During the Battle for fairy tail, Laxus was clearly not even serious when he was fighting Mystogan, the guys was laughing the whole time and even panicked Mystogan and threw him for a loop by activating lightning magic around him. The only time he got serious was when Natsu told Erza to entrust everything to him, that's when he threw of his coat and took of his headphones and that's when he really started getting his hands dirty. I don't know if your reading the same Manga, for you to say that Laxus was "only just above Gajeel + Natsu" is BS, pure and simple, he was stomping the two of them casually and then he decided to cast fairy law and that was his undoing, because the spell takes so much magic power it clearly exhusted him.
Laxus was screaming for a while... He did panic for a second... Not to mention he was clenching his teeth and grunting a few times... Fine, Laxus was fooling around. So was Mystogan then. You can't give me an excuse saying that Mystogan was going all out while Laxus casually overwhelmed him. I'm not the one that brought up such a trivial scenario.
I think we're reading the same manga considering we're on the same forum unless one of us is confused and by that I mean not me. He was stomping Natsu and Gajeel for awhile. That I agree. In the end which is all that matters, it clearly showed he lost magical power and went downhill. His anger and screw ups led to his defeat.
Also where is your argument against Laxus one-shotting and defeating a Spriggan who had the advantageous match-up and when he was ill and dying throughout 90% of the fight?
That is the most impressive feat by a fairy tail wizard so far, go ahead and bring me a fairy tail wizard/ishgar mage who has done something more impressive than one-shotting a Spriggan while they are dying.
Believe me. You don't want to see my argument. It may be too much too read. Seriously. However, if you insist on seeing it, just click the back page button a few times and start there. Re-writing or copying my posts will be annoying for others to read.
Literally all I can see in your posts is you downplaying Laxus over and over again, you haven't even tried to apply any of his feats and compare them to other characters. You just keep talking about how unimpressive he is even though he just one-shot a freaking Spriggan.
I'm truly sorry that you see it that way along with many others who disagree with me. I never intended to downplay Laxus as I even said he is a contender for being one of the strongest in Fairy Tail. Just because I say he isn't the strongest and have evidence to back it up, it doesn't mean I hate Laxus. I'm giving a fair assessment with no bias or fanboying involved.
I came here because i thought this was a friendly chat about my fav character but everyone seems to be a bit confrontational over opinions. I love Laxus but i dont think he's as powerful as Stormfury is suggesting. EliteAce, as an outside perspective i completely agree with what your saying. Your posts seem the most reasonable out of everyone. I like your unbiased stance.
Once again, what is said and what is done is two separate matters. Everybody hyped Jura during Oración Seis Arc. Was he the star there? Not really. Similarly, everyone hyped Jura in Alvarez Arc. What did he do against God Serena? Nothing. Feats are the only reliable source. Hype should be used when a character has no feats yet has been hinted to have potential. Because Jura already has feats like being overwhelmed by Oración Seis and having an even match against Jellal, then those are what we use to compare against other characters. That alone can be matched to Gildarts' feats which are way superior. Sure, Laxus defeats Jura. How about Gildarts? Nothing would back that up, instead, more evidence points the other way around.
I agree with most of what u said but it would not be correct to say he did not do much in Orasion Seis. He did defeat Brain, without much effort. And of he was not the central character. The central character is always from Fairy Tail, and among fairy Natsu and Erza group. And God Serena was shown to be at a completely different level with others. Defeat against him cannot be proof of weakness comparative to FT mages.
I came here because i thought this was a friendly chat about my fav character but everyone seems to be a bit confrontational over opinions. I love Laxus but i dont think he's as powerful as Stormfury is suggesting. EliteAce, as an outside perspective i completely agree with what your saying. Your posts seem the most reasonable out of everyone. I like your unbiased stance.
Yeah, this thread did kind of get very heated. I am glad that Laxus is your favorite character. I have a favorite character too so I can see how reading my comments and this thread would seem very unappealing. The thing that most people don't understand about me is that I don't just target one character like Laxus. Sure, I did criticize his panels a few times because of how the events were executed but I did the same with Erza's notable PoF's, the recent chapter regarding Third Origin + Wendy + Chelia, Natsu's power, and some of Gray's feats which are kinda rare as there are only a few people that overestimate him more than I do. I too hope this thread will divert away from the disagreements involved which is why I have tried giving people the last words but there is always another user who would think otherwise.
I agree with most of what u said but it would not be correct to say he did not do much in Orasion Seis. He did defeat Brain, without much effort. And of he was not the central character. The central character is always from Fairy Tail, and among fairy Natsu and Erza group. And God Serena was shown to be at a completely different level with others. Defeat against him cannot be proof of weakness comparative to FT mages.
My bad for not explaining myself very clearly. I agree that Jura is indeed not anywhere close to being weak. In fact, I said in another thread that the reason for why the 3 Gods of Ishgar and Jura lost to God Serena was not because they're weak. Instead, it was because he was too strong for them. I still got comments directed towards me about how all four were fodders, but that is besides the point. If you re-read my statements above, what I meant was that he was not portrayed to be the star that he was hyped to be. I previously mentioned how he had hype of being a wizard saint similar to Makarov, yet he still struggled with Oración Seis. The whole context of my post was to distinguish reality from expectations. Did he struggle in his fight against Brain? Probably not that much. Now whether you rank Brain to be strong or not is subjective. I personally think he is not the strongest out of the Oración Seis. But Zero is a different story. He is above anyone else there.
There were two instances where Jura got tricked. One of which injured Jura mildly.
The other one inflicted significant damage.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't hold either these against him because they were "surprise" attacks. To be fair, he did defend Fairy Tail in both of these scenarios. Rather, the point of these panels is to show that Jura, whose power and durability was ranked so high as a wizard saint, collapsed after just an explosion. I know that when I first saw it, I didn't think someone like Jura would be affected by it so much but that just proves that what is accurately depicted does not necessarily follow the hype beforehand.
Laxus vs Mystogan is easily the best fight that didn't happen. Their exchange had a really good back and forth, and Mystogan's magic is different so it would have been good to see.
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Oracion Seis Jura is like GMG Erza level (who according to Jellal could pass as a WS). He used 7 years to get up to rank 5 in the WS. IIRC he said that he was not close at all compared to Makarov in the OS arc.
I do believe that Laxus is one of the strongest characters in FT, but some of these arguments are just over the top. Laxus isn't and has never been tiers above everyone else in FT and he cannot fodderize half the Spriggans.
Base/dual element Natsu and Gajeel were never close to being the strongest in FT from BoS to Tartaros. Of course Laxus is stronger than them. And neither Mystogan nor Erza fought seriously against Laxus in FF arc.
Let's see. Mira knows nothing about Jura's power level. Mira knows nothing about Erza's power level. How credible is Mira's statement?
You're right about LFD Natsu not taking down Etherious Tempesta. I never denied that. However, just keep in mind that it was Torafusa's Black Water that took Natsu out. Had the fight lasted longer, Natsu may be able to defeat Etherious Tempesta. I have no proof of this so I won't use it as a fact. What I can say for a fact is that Natsu would defeat Etherious Tempesta just by going Dragon Force.
Okay, well if what I said is speculation, then yours is too so we would have to negate that topic. Unless only your way works and mine never does... Honestly, it doesn't matter whether Hades said Laxus is Gildarts level or not. He still hasn't been familiar with Gildarts' power except sending his right-hand man, Bluenote, to try to defeat him. If Hades thought Bluenote could defeat Fairy Tail which includes Gildarts, then that is proof right there that he didn't know the extent of their powers. Basically, this is like me saying that you are comparable to a Sumo Wrestler in real life. How would I know that? I don't. So assumptions are invalid.
Once again, what is said and what is done is two separate matters. Everybody hyped Jura during Oración Seis Arc. Was he the star there? Not really. Similarly, everyone hyped Jura in Alvarez Arc. What did he do against God Serena? Nothing. Feats are the only reliable source. Hype should be used when a character has no feats yet has been hinted to have potential. Because Jura already has feats like being overwhelmed by Oración Seis and having an even match against Jellal, then those are what we use to compare against other characters. That alone can be matched to Gildarts' feats which are way superior. Sure, Laxus defeats Jura. How about Gildarts? Nothing would back that up, instead, more evidence points the other way around.
Laxus was screaming for a while... He did panic for a second... Not to mention he was clenching his teeth and grunting a few times... Fine, Laxus was fooling around. So was Mystogan then. You can't give me an excuse saying that Mystogan was going all out while Laxus casually overwhelmed him. I'm not the one that brought up such a trivial scenario.
I think we're reading the same manga considering we're on the same forum unless one of us is confused and by that I mean not me. He was stomping Natsu and Gajeel for awhile. That I agree. In the end which is all that matters, it clearly showed he lost magical power and went downhill. His anger and screw ups led to his defeat.
Believe me. You don't want to see my argument. It may be too much too read. Seriously. However, if you insist on seeing it, just click the back page button a few times and start there. Re-writing or copying my posts will be annoying for others to read.
I'm truly sorry that you see it that way along with many others who disagree with me. I never intended to downplay Laxus as I even said he is a contender for being one of the strongest in Fairy Tail. Just because I say he isn't the strongest and have evidence to back it up, it doesn't mean I hate Laxus. I'm giving a fair assessment with no bias or fanboying involved.
Natsu couldn't activate dragon force at the time, that argument is invalid.
Gildarts was thought to have left the island at the time and we're not even sure if Hades knew who was exactly on the island or not, the fact is that Laxus defeated someone whom Makarov compared to Gildarts and Hades compared Laxus' strength to Gildarts as well, all you can do is refute actual characters in the series' statements as if you know more than them.
He was very clearly the powerhouse and the star of the OS arc, I still don't know what your talking about, he took out their leader with ease, he was fooled by one of them but ended up recovering extremely quickly and the only reason why he didn't end up taking them all out was because the plot called for him to get laid out by that explosion so that in typical fashion, Natsu could take down the leader. You also seem to forget the fact that Jura grew much stronger over 7 years, he isn't the same damn mage that he was 7 years ago. Laxus defeated Jura when he was even stronger than in the OS arc and when he was called the strongest human mage by everyone on the continent. Are you going to try and deny that fact as well? What will you say next? That Makarov doesn't really know Gildarts' power level and he is only hyping Jura despite the fact that he just witnessed Jura's power right before his eyes?
When Laxus fought Mystogan, he ended up screaming when Mystogan used the illusion, you have to also realise the fact that when the illusion was on Laxus, he managed to set up a spell around Mystogan hence the reason he said "you think i'm slow?" and the spell activated around Mystogan and panicked him, he also laughed off the illusion like it was nothing. Also Laxus had no need to rush at all, Mystogan had to take down Laxus right there and he pulled out all his staffs and went on the offensive straight off the bat, his demeanour and speech certainly made it look like he wasn't messing about.
I also love the fact that you refuse to mention Fairy Law nearly draining him empty yet he still manage to continue stomping them and was about to defeat Natsu before Gajeel saved him.
I know that you think he's one of the most powerful mages in fairy tail becuase we all know that for a fact, it doesn't change the fact that all you have been doing on this thread is downplaying him the whole time. The fact is and I'm pretty sure Hiro has clarified this with his one-shot of Wahl, Laxus is one of the most powerful characters in the series, period.
Laxus vs Mystogan is easily the best fight that didn't happen. Their exchange had a really good back and forth, and Mystogan's magic is different so it would have been good to see.
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Oracion Seis Jura is like GMG Erza level (who according to Jellal could pass as a WS). He used 7 years to get up to rank 5 in the WS. IIRC he said that he was not close at all compared to Makarov in the OS arc.
He is stronger than everyone else including the beta dragons who appeared in the GMG and he is a step above all the rest of the shown (and likely not shown) Spriggan. Jellal and Gildarts are also left behind at this point unless Jellal can prove otherwise.
He is stronger than everyone else including the beta dragons who appeared in the GMG and he is a step above all the rest of the shown (and likely not shown) Spriggan. Jellal and Gildarts are also left behind at this point unless Jellal can prove otherwise.
No, Mira didn't even come in close contact with Erza or Jura to make an accurate assessment. And sensing power levels isn't accurate as seen when Makarov thinks that Natsu, Gray, Lucy, Erza, etc. can't even fight against Ajeel. Not to mention even people like Natsu, Gray, and Lucy, who were around Erza during training and have better understanding of Erza's power, didn't even know that she had SO. And Mira's statement says that she isn't sure whether she and Erza could beat Jura. So it means about as much as Natsu bragging that he could beat everyone.
Natsu couldn't activate Dragon Force because he didn't need to. If the fight lasted longer, his inner emotions and feeling will force him to go DF. Natsu went DF against Mard Geer. What makes us think that he could only do it after a period of about a few minutes to a few hours? The only reason why Natu went DF against Mard Geer was because he needed to in order to defeat him. On the contrary, Etherious Tempesta wasn't much of a problem for LFD Natsu.
Gildarts was thought to have left the island at the time and we're not even sure if Hades knew who was exactly on the island or not, the fact is that Laxus defeated someone whom Makarov compared to Gildarts and Hades compared Laxus' strength to Gildarts as well, all you can do is refute actual characters in the series' statements as if you know more than them.
If we don't know whether Hades knew who was on the island or not, then we can't use the assumption. I'll repeat myself. What Makarov said was just words, let alone, those words are proven inaccurate by feats. I'm not refuting any character statements. I agree with all of them unless feats show otherwise. That is why we have to distinguish between feats and hype. Instead, I think you are just using any possible evidence you can find and trying to prove your point about your favorite character.
He was very clearly the powerhouse and the star of the OS arc, I still don't know what your talking about, he took out their leader with ease, he was fooled by one of them but ended up recovering extremely quickly and the only reason why he didn't end up taking them all out was because the plot called for him to get laid out by that explosion so that in typical fashion, Natsu could take down the leader. You also seem to forget the fact that Jura grew much stronger over 7 years, he isn't the same damn mage that he was 7 years ago. Laxus defeated Jura when he was even stronger than in the OS arc and when he was called the strongest human mage by everyone on the continent. Are you going to try and deny that fact as well? What will you say next? That Makarov doesn't really know Gildarts' power level and he is only hyping Jura despite the fact that he just witnessed Jura's power right before his eyes?
He was a powerhouse, but not the powerhouse. It makes a huge difference. If he was truly what he was hyped to be, he would solo the Oración Seis like Jellal did later on. Who beat Midnight? Erza. Who beat Racer? Gray and Lyon. Who beat Zero? Jellal and Natsu. Who beat the other fodders? The rest. Who did Jura beat? Brain. His fight with Hoteye didn't result in a victor. Rather, they became friends.
When Laxus fought Mystogan, he ended up screaming when Mystogan used the illusion, you have to also realise the fact that when the illusion was on Laxus, he managed to set up a spell around Mystogan hence the reason he said "you think i'm slow?" and the spell activated around Mystogan and panicked him, he also laughed off the illusion like it was nothing. Also Laxus had no need to rush at all, Mystogan had to take down Laxus right there and he pulled out all his staffs and went on the offensive straight off the bat, his demeanour and speech certainly made it look like he wasn't messing about.
Who said you needed to scream to break an illusion? Last time I checked, Erza didn't against Midnight. Laxus' anger clearly made him panic at that moment. Whereas Mystogan was calm, cool, and collected the whole time. He never panicked, he just realized that he had to start getting serious in order to defeat Laxus? Their demeanor were pretty consistent the whole time. Mystogan pulling out has staves is just him using magic... He doesn't inner magical energy like Laxus. Laxus used magic too, so stop spinning everything. Sure, Mystogan went offensive but so did Laxus. The whole battle was an exchange between offense and defense....
I also love the fact that you refuse to mention Fairy Law nearly draining him empty yet he still manage to continue stomping them and was about to defeat Natsu before Gajeel saved him.
Okay... Your point? Mistakes still count. Laxus still didn't defeat Natsu and Gajeel. Wahl accidentally gave Laxus a boost by giving him lightning. But you'll still say Laxus beat him fair and square. I'm doing the same thing as you.
I know that you think he's one of the most powerful mages in fairy tail becuase we all know that for a fact, it doesn't change the fact that all you have been doing on this thread is downplaying him the whole time. The fact is and I'm pretty sure Hiro has clarified this with his one-shot of Wahl, Laxus is one of the most powerful characters in the series, period.
Well, I'm sorry that you think that way and apparently "all" as well. It's not my fault that is how you think. Did I try to downplay Laxus? Never. But hating just because someone disagrees is just low.
He was a powerhouse, but not the powerhouse. It makes a huge difference. If he was truly what he was hyped to be, he would solo the Oración Seis like Jellal did later on. Who beat Midnight? Erza. Who beat Racer? Gray and Lyon. Who beat Zero? Jellal and Natsu. Who beat the other fodders? The rest. Who did Jura beat? Brain. His fight with Hoteye didn't result in a victor. Rather, they became friends.
Okay... Your point? Mistakes still count. Laxus still didn't defeat Natsu and Gajeel. Wahl accidentally gave Laxus a boost by giving him lightning. But you'll still say Laxus beat him fair and square. I'm doing the same thing as you.
That doesn't remotely make up for the fact that Laxus was dying throughout the fight. You are so biased.
And Jura is simply not as plot relevant for Mashima to make him solo the OS that is why he always created these plot devices to keep him away from the OS. First was the stabbing and then was the bomb.
He is stronger than everyone else including the beta dragons who appeared in the GMG and he is a step above all the rest of the shown (and likely not shown) Spriggan. Jellal and Gildarts are also left behind at this point unless Jellal can prove otherwise.
This list is highly inaccurate and not even portrayed or backed-up by the manga. Laxus couldn't beat any of the GMG Dragons, including Zirconis. Laxus can't beat Hades and probably not even Mard Geer. He has never showed anything similar to Gildarts. Not to mention, we don't even know the true powers of Team Natsu. Plus, not all of the Spriggans are revealed yet... And I'm biased?
That doesn't remotely make up for the fact that Laxus was dying throughout the fight. You are so biased. Keep downplaying everything Laxus does though.
And Jura is simply not as plot relevant for Mashima to make him solo the OS that is why he always created these plot devices to keep him away from the OS. First was the stabbing and then was the bomb.
Okay, well taking one out of six Oración Seis before his downfall wasn't expected of him either. I really haven't tried to downplay Laxus at all. It is just how you perceive it to be.
Yes you are terribly biased. Laxus would demolish Hades and wreck Mard. Gildarts has also been long surpassed unless Hiro randomly makes him susceptible to power inflation. The only possible individual stronger than Laxus is current DF Natsu but he has to show what it is made of for me to believe he would beat Laxus with it. Natsu opted to use his Igneel powerup instead of using his DF when he faced Brandish so the implication is it may even not be enough to take an average spriggan.
Thank you for asking though.
Jutsu shiki and red lightning are part of Laxus's power. Accept it.
He is stronger than everyone else including the beta dragons who appeared in the GMG and he is a step above all the rest of the shown (and likely not shown) Spriggan. Jellal and Gildarts are also left behind at this point unless Jellal can prove otherwise.
That was just a temporary power up so I don't count it as Natsu's true strength. And, no one has shown Laxus's level of growth so far except for Natsu. Jellal may be stronger but I highly doubt he is Laxus level. Still possible though.
Natsu couldn't activate Dragon Force because he didn't need to. If the fight lasted longer, his inner emotions and feeling will force him to go DF. Natsu went DF against Mard Geer. What makes us think that he could only do it after a period of about a few minutes to a few hours? The only reason why Natu went DF against Mard Geer was because he needed to in order to defeat him. On the contrary, Etherious Tempesta wasn't much of a problem for LFD Natsu.
Natsu wouldn't have been able to activate dragon force because the only time that he could have was when Igneel left his body sooooo, again argument is invalid. The fact that Natsu went all out with a LFD secret art attack and didn't one-shot Tempesta shows that it still would have been a problem.
If we don't know whether Hades knew who was on the island or not, then we can't use the assumption. I'll repeat myself. What Makarov said was just words, let alone, those words are proven inaccurate by feats. I'm not refuting any character statements. I agree with all of them unless feats show otherwise. That is why we have to distinguish between feats and hype. Instead, I think you are just using any possible evidence you can find and trying to prove your point about your favorite character.
Yes your are. All your doing is refuting characters statements, from Makarov, to Hades, to Mirajane, all that you've done is attempt to say that they're statements have no base, even though they are characters in the series, witnessing the powers of said characters that they're basing their statements off. How on earth were Makarov's words proven inaccurate by feats when Jura had just smashed the MPF world record right in front of his eyes, the only way fairy tail won that was because they basically cheated. The Spriggan 12, Zeref, Acnologia and the Gods of Ishgar were all ranked on statements, because that is the power that they exude. Makarov even said that August was on a whole other level from the rest, what are you going to say now? That Lucy is stronger than August because this is just a statement? You talk about feats and hype, yet you tried to make the argument earlier in this thread that Mystogan would have defeated Laxus if the fight went on and I know for a fact Mystogan is your favourite character.
He was a powerhouse, but not the powerhouse. It makes a huge difference. If he was truly what he was hyped to be, he would solo the Oración Seis like Jellal did later on. Who beat Midnight? Erza. Who beat Racer? Gray and Lyon. Who beat Zero? Jellal and Natsu. Who beat the other fodders? The rest. Who did Jura beat? Brain. His fight with Hoteye didn't result in a victor. Rather, they became friends.
Again, here you forget the glaring reason why Jura didn't take out the leader, you refuse to point out the fact that Jura had to sacrifice himself to save Natsu, Lucy, Gray and Happy. Why have you refused to mention this? The fact is that Jura single handedly saved them all and forced the OS back in the first fight of the arc, when they were being destroyed, the Hoteye and fight didn't even get to conclude and then Jura proceeded to easily defeat Brain, who was the strongest member of the OS before Zero was born. This was also the much weaker Jura, Laxus defeated the Jura who had been training for seven years after his return.
Who said you needed to scream to break an illusion? Last time I checked, Erza didn't against Midnight. Laxus' anger clearly made him panic at that moment. Whereas Mystogan was calm, cool, and collected the whole time. He never panicked, he just realized that he had to start getting serious in order to defeat Laxus? Their demeanor were pretty consistent the whole time. Mystogan pulling out has staves is just him using magic... He doesn't inner magical energy like Laxus. Laxus used magic too, so stop spinning everything. Sure, Mystogan went offensive but so did Laxus. The whole battle was an exchange between offense and defense....
When did I say he needed to scream to break the illusion? Yes Laxus screamed, but when he was screaming he was setting up a spell around Mystogan, the whole time and he cought Mystogan with it. "Calm, cool and collected." Pure and utter BS, Laxus caught him off-guard with an attack that he set up while he was under the illusion and your saying I'm spinning things, here's the proof.
Cool calm and collected my ass, Mystogan was clearly taking damage and Laxus outwitted him by placing a spell around him while under the illusion.
Okay... Your point? Mistakes still count. Laxus still didn't defeat Natsu and Gajeel. Wahl accidentally gave Laxus a boost by giving him lightning. But you'll still say Laxus beat him fair and square. I'm doing the same thing as you.
Well, I'm sorry that you think that way and apparently "all" as well. It's not my fault that is how you think. Did I try to downplay Laxus? Never. But hating just because someone disagrees is just low.
I'm not saying mistakes don't count. When on earth did I say that? All I said was Natsu and Gajeel needed a lot of outside interference (fairy law, Mystogan, Erza, Gajeel being used as a rod) to win that fight and without it, Laxus clearly displayed he was head and shoulders above the two. You keep saying you don't deny that he is one of the strongest people in fairy tail like that's a complement, when Laxus was already one of the strongest people in fairy tail since the beginning of the series, when the fact is and everything has indicated that he is one of the strongest in the entire series period. I'm not hating, all i'm doing is refuting your false claims and downplaying of Laxus and Jura as a result of Laxus defeating Jura. I think i'll trust the claims and statements of actual characters in the series over your claims thank you.
Yes you are terribly biased. Laxus would demolish Hades and wreck Mard. Gildarts has also been long surpassed unless Hiro randomly makes him susceptible to power inflation. The only possible individual stronger than Laxus is current DF Natsu but he has to show what it is made of for me to believe he would beat Laxus with it. Natsu opted to use his Igneel powerup instead of using his DF when he faced Brandish so the implication is it may even not be enough to take an average spriggan.
Thank you for asking though.
Jutsu shiki and red lightning are part of Laxus's power. Accept it.
Of course BDKM Natsu is above Laxus, there is no way anyone can argue that, but the fact is that it isn't even Natsu's power and Igneel is one of the strongest characters in the verse.
No, Mira didn't even come in close contact with Erza or Jura to make an accurate assessment. And sensing power levels isn't accurate as seen when Makarov thinks that Natsu, Gray, Lucy, Erza, etc. can't even fight against Ajeel. Not to mention even people like Natsu, Gray, and Lucy, who were around Erza during training and have better understanding of Erza's power, didn't even know that she had SO. And Mira's statement says that she isn't sure whether she and Erza could beat Jura. So it means about as much as Natsu bragging that he could beat everyone.
How do you know they didn't know she had SO? Are you just going to completely ignore the sensing of power levels and the fact that Jura did just put on a huge display of power with his attack on the MPF device? Does this mean Makarov's statement about August is inaccurate as well? The fact is that, Erza couldn't fight Ajeel 1v1 as shown in their actual fight when Ajeel got serious and ended up wrecking her, i'm pretty sure that rules Lucy and Gray out of soloing a Spriggan by defult and it seems like we'll get our answer to Natsu's strength in the coming chapter.
Are you just going to completely ignore the sensing of power levels and the fact that Jura did just put on a huge display of power with his attack on the MPF device? Does this mean Makarov's statement about August is inaccurate as well? The fact is that, Erza couldn't fight Ajeel 1v1 as shown in their actual fight when Ajeel got serious and ended up wrecking her, i'm pretty sure that rules Lucy and Gray out of soloing a Spriggan by defult and it seems like we'll get our answer to Natsu's strength in the coming chapter.
I think you need to reread these arcs. Mira made her statement before Jellal fought Jura and before the MPF scene. So she literally has no idea of Jura's power level. Makarov said that all of Natsu, Gray, Lucy, Erza, and Wendy combined stood no chance of fighting against Ajeel. And then he was surprised by their improvements over the timeskip. See: http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/446/9, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/446/17.
Please don't wank Laxus like this and say stuff like FF Laxus fodderizes Mystogan or Erza. That just isn't true and hurts your case.
I think you need to reread these arcs. Mira made her statement before Jellal fought Jura and before the MPF scene. So she literally has no idea of Jura's power level. Makarov said that all of Natsu, Gray, Lucy, Erza, and Wendy combined stood no chance of fighting against Ajeel. And then he was surprised by their improvements over the timeskip. See: http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/446/9, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/446/17.
Just because they asked her how she was fine doesn't mean they didn't know she had SO, Erza's SO activation is something that still hasn't been explained to this day. The power level thing has been made throughout the entire series and has mostly been accurate, it was made during Sting and Rogue vs Natsu and Gajeel and was pretty accurate, it happened with Bluenote and it's happened many times with Acnologia. I'm still not sure why you think people just make the statements even though they know nothing. What would be the point of all that? The thing with Ajeel is really convoluted so I will concede on that part, I still think Makarov mean them as individuals wouldn't be able to defeat him or if he was worried they might get hurt in the process of fighting him. The fact is that he also made a statement about August, so are we supposed to disregard that statement about August being on a whole other level?
