Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[BluePegasus]

In the current arc, it's almost a fact that Laxus is one of the stronger S-Class mages in Fairy Tail. But still, we haven't seen how strong Gildarts has become.

Both Gildarts and Laxus showed a lot impressive feats. We've Gildarts who crushed a black hole. We've Laxus who almost one shotted Ajeel with an extreme powerful lightning attack. In the Tenrou Island arc, the last arc we saw Gildarts (don't count Key of Starry Heaven in), it was pretty clear Gildarts was stronger than Laxus. No, they didn't fought, but it was made pretty clear by a lot of Fairy Tail mages that Gildarts was the strongest mage of Fairy Tail.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/165/18

So, Tenrou Gildarts > Tenrou Laxus.

Now, we've surpassed a lot of years and Laxus became a lot stronger. He became Spriggan level which is the highest possible level for a mage. He showed us a lot more impressive feats than Gildarts ever showed (Rolling Thunder, Red Lightning). But no one can say that this is proof he became stronger than Gildarts. Yes, Alvaraz Laxus probably surpassed Tenrou Gildarts. But is Alvarez Laxus stronger than Alvarez Gildarts? No one knows. There is a possible chance that Gildarts became a lot stronger as well. We have to wait for Gildarts return before we can say which mage is stronger.

As for Laxus and Mystogan, I disagree with everyone who thinks Laxus is (a lot) stronger than Mystogan. Proof? Nope, there is none. We could all pick a winner based on spells, skills, magic power, fandom or whatever. But the fact is; the fight was interrupted and there was no winner. Based on the fight and previously happenings, we can say that these mages are equal.

Back at the cathedral, Laxus asked himself: who is the strongest mage from Fairy Tail? The question was about Laxus and Mystogan. Now we can say BOFT Laxus & BOFT Mystogan > BOFT Erza & BOFT Mira. If Laxus was the strongest mage in the former Fairy Tail, why did he question himself if he is stronger than Mystogan? Why did he rank him as equal with Mystogan? We all know that Laxus won't underrate himself. Plus there was no outcome when they fought and both of them took more or less the same damage.

To me it seems pretty obvious that BOFT Laxus = BOFT Mystogan.

Some people make Mystogan look weak. But you should all understand that he left us in the Edolas Arc so we don't know how strong he is now. Before his leave I'd rank Mystogan as one of the stronger S-Class Mages.

What I'm trying to say is that we can't say that Laxus is the strongest mage in Fairy Tail. What we can say is that Laxus is the strongest ACTIVE mage in Fairy Tail.

 

[Stormsfury]

In the current arc, it's almost a fact that Laxus is one of the stronger S-Class mages in Fairy Tail. But still, we haven't seen how strong Gildarts has become.

Both Gildarts and Laxus showed a lot impressive feats. We've Gildarts who crushed a black hole. We've Laxus who almost one shotted Ajeel with an extreme powerful lightning attack. In the Tenrou Island arc, the last arc we saw Gildarts (don't count Key of Starry Heaven in), it was pretty clear Gildarts was stronger than Laxus. No, they didn't fought, but it was made pretty clear by a lot of Fairy Tail mages that Gildarts was the strongest mage of Fairy Tail.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/165/18

So, Tenrou Gildarts > Tenrou Laxus.

Now, we've surpassed a lot of years and Laxus became a lot stronger. He became Spriggan level which is the highest possible level for a mage. He showed us a lot more impressive feats than Gildarts ever showed (Rolling Thunder, Red Lightning). But no one can say that this is proof he became stronger than Gildarts. Yes, Alvaraz Laxus probably surpassed Tenrou Gildarts. But is Alvarez Laxus stronger than Alvarez Gildarts? No one knows. There is a possible chance that Gildarts became a lot stronger as well. We have to wait for Gildarts return before we can say which mage is stronger.

As for Laxus and Mystogan, I disagree with everyone who thinks Laxus is (a lot) stronger than Mystogan. Proof? Nope, there is none. We could all pick a winner based on spells, skills, magic power, fandom or whatever. But the fact is; the fight was interrupted and there was no winner. Based on the fight and previously happenings, we can say that these mages are equal.

Back at the cathedral, Laxus asked himself: who is the strongest mage from Fairy Tail? The question was about Laxus and Mystogan. Now we can say BOFT Laxus & BOFT Mystogan > BOFT Erza & BOFT Mira. If Laxus was the strongest mage in the former Fairy Tail, why did he question himself if he is stronger than Mystogan? Why did he rank him as equal with Mystogan? We all know that Laxus won't underrate himself. Plus there was no outcome when they fought and both of them took more or less the same damage.

To me it seems pretty obvious that BOFT Laxus = BOFT Mystogan.

Some people make Mystogan look weak. But you should all understand that he left us in the Edolas Arc so we don't know how strong he is now. Before his leave I'd rank Mystogan as one of the stronger S-Class Mages.

What I'm trying to say is that we can't say that Laxus is the strongest mage in Fairy Tail. What we can say is that Laxus is the strongest ACTIVE mage in Fairy Tail.

THANK YOU! That is all.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Elite Ace you keep on saying Laxus is 'one of the strongest' of the guild as if to prove you aren't biased. But that much even the biggest Laxus detractor on the planet will admit. So tell me your honest opinion. Where exactly do you estimate Laxus ranks in the FT guild? I'd like to know your top 5 strongest FT guild characters right now and if Laxus is in them. Take all feats and hype and portrayal into consideration. If you don't adequately know right now give me your best guess.

I am not biased. I give credit where it is due. He is one of the strongest in Fairy Tail... It is completely absurd to think otherwise considering his feats and that he is also an S-Class. I never denied Laxus being one of the strongest in the guild. What I beg to differ is that he is one of the strongest in the series. From your list on who Laxus couldn't defeat, it was so minimal that you were suggesting he is easily one of the strongest characters. That is not true as we've seen many other enemies who were stronger than him. If Laxus were truly that strong, he would have stomped anybody he faced so far which is not the case. Fairy Tail is about teamwork. Hiro Mashima intentionally makes the enemy stronger than FT to display friendship and working together in order to defeat them.

As for the list, are we talking about current arc? I cannot provide a list of all arcs combined because powers has changed as times changed. Doing so will lead to errors and inaccuracy.

After Edolas Arc

1. Gildarts Clive
2. Laxus Dreyar
3. Erza Scarlet
4. Mirajane Strauss

This was my list from the S-Class Ranking Thread. Yes, it is only S-Class members so of course there are other notable characters like Makarov, Natsu, and Gray. Besides that, nobody else is up there. Laxus would be in the Top 5. I don't know Natsu's and Gray's power yet but I would put Laxus a little bit above Erza. That would either make him tied with someone else as 2nd or 3rd if I have a reason to believe so.

You call my logic faulty, yet you're the guy who basing everything about Gildarts' increase in strength off speculation and hype, what on earth are you smoking? Yes I have no way of knowing whether Gildarts is in his prime, but you have no way of knowing whether he has increased in magic power either, the fact it that Makarov compared Jura's strength to that of Tenrou Gildarts, who was by far and away more superior than anyone else from Team Natsu and superior to everyone else in the guild, the fact is that Hades directly compared Laxus to him as well and all that you can do is try and dismiss both these glaring statements

No, Gildarts had feats prior to this arc. As for Alvarez Arc, I am reluctant to say Laxus is the strongest because I haven't seen Gildarts or Jellal among many other characters. How many times do I have to say that it is inconclusive? Did I deny that Current Laxus is weaker than Tenrou Gildarts? No. I even put Gray and Natsu close to his level.

Here you go again dismissing character statements, so are you telling me Bluenote doesn't know what he's talking about? The fact is that GMG Cana > Tenrou Cana. There is also the fact that the attack never hit Bluenote in the first place, yet your still trying to compare it to when Cana used it on the MPF in the GMG's. This argument is completely irrelevant, because either the attack never got to hit Bluenote in the first place, or it was never cast properly as Bluenote and Cana's reactions and comments actually suggest.

I agree that GMG Cana > Tenrou Cana. Never denied that, but let me explain your misunderstanding. It is obvious when an attack is deflected, it means that it is weaker than the opponent that deflected it. Take the recent chapter for example. TO Chelia casually blocking Dimaria's beam. That means that she is stronger than Dimaria because Chelia's Defense > Dimaria's Attack/Attack Penetration. If you've seen other anime/manga like DragonBall Z, you would know that the logic there is still the same. Yes, it never hit Bluenote... Because it was too weak... He casually reversed the spell.

Fairy Glitter was casted properly. This is very similar to Laxus casting Fairy Law. Both executed the attack correctly, only difference here is that Laxus didn't have the heart while Cana's was too weak because her MP is far below Bluenote.

Yeah, keep spinning it any way you want, I literally don't care, because I know exactly what you were implying and anyone with a brain knows exactly what you're implying, the only way that anyone wouldn't see what your statement is implying is if that person is illiterate or if they are suffering from mental retardation (I'm serious).
I have said time and time again that Laxus was one of the strongest in the series, all you keep saying is that he's one of the strongest in the fairy tail guild, as if that's a complement, we know this for a fact, all I'm saying is that he's one of the strongest in the series, period.

Let's not bring stupidity or mental retardation into this. It is a very sensitive matter and would make this seem immature. That last sentence is where I disagree which should be okay considering this is a debate and that you can't prove it.

Skyscraper is an illusionary spell that doesn't effect anyone physically.

Sure, it didn't damage anyone like I said. The fact is that he still was caught in it. You can substitute that for hit or however way you like.

No this isn't a card game, but the fact is that Laxus was hit by Mystogan, he did waste magic power in his skirmish with Mystogan and in his skirmish with Erza and he was clearly stomping Natsu and Gajeel without much effort until he cast fairy law. The fact is that when he did cast it, then he lost.

The hit was very minor though. You said yourself that Laxus wasn't even serious in the battle. He barely wasted his magic on Erza as well. Come on, that is like saying that he wasted magic by blasting Mystogan's mask off. Really? He shouldn't have wasted energy there... The conclusion here being that these plot points shouldn't be a deciding factor at all. Fairy Law was though. I agree. But stuff like that always happens in battle. We can't negate that major feat when assessing a battle.

I'll give you a battle scenario.
Fighting festival Laxus vs fighting festival Natsu and fighting festival Gajeel.

Restrictions: Fairy Law, outside interference, plot induced stupidity, character induced stupidity.
All combatants start with maximum health and maximum magic power.
Who wins?

• Laxus > Natsu and Gajeel [High Difficulty]

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

I am not biased. I give credit where it is due. He is one of the strongest in Fairy Tail... It is completely absurd to think otherwise considering his feats and that he is also an S-Class. I never denied Laxus being one of the strongest in the guild. What I beg to differ is that he is one of the strongest in the series. From your list on who Laxus couldn't defeat, it was so minimal that you were suggesting he is easily one of the strongest characters. That is not true as we've seen many other enemies who were stronger than him. If Laxus were truly that strong, he would have stomped anybody he faced so far which is not the case. Fairy Tail is about teamwork. Hiro Mashima intentionally makes the enemy stronger than FT to display friendship and working together in order to defeat them.

As for the list, are we talking about current arc? I cannot provide a list of all arcs combined because powers has changed as times changed. Doing so will lead to errors and inaccuracy.



This was my list from the S-Class Ranking Thread. Yes, it is only S-Class members so of course there are other notable characters like Makarov, Natsu, and Gray. Besides that, nobody else is up there. Laxus would be in the Top 5. I don't know Natsu's and Gray's power yet but I would put Laxus a little bit above Erza. That would either make him tied with someone else as 2nd or 3rd if I have a reason to believe so.

No my list is perfect. No other enemies we have seen are stronger than him. Power inflation dictates they are far stronger than previous enemies after the one year skip. Current base Natsu would even beat Mard Geer and Hades. Laxus would stomp people. That is the point. That is why Mashima removed him for the Tartaros arc. Because he was too powerful for the 9 gates. That is also why he was so incredibly disadvantaged against Wahl, because otherwise he would beat the shit out of him low diff. Hiro Mashima himself said this (direct quote):

“Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”

Do you know what this means? It means he WOULD stomp previous enemies if he was as inclusive into the story as the main cast. That is a problem Mashima himself stated and that is why he doesn't use him as much even though he is one of the most popular characters in the manga (in the official poll he was voted in the top ten and more popular than Jellal, Gildarts, or Gajeel).

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

No my list is perfect. No other enemies we have seen are stronger than him. Power inflation dictates they are far stronger than previous enemies after the one year skip. Current base Natsu would even beat Mard Geer and Hades. Laxus would stomp people. That is the point. That is why Mashima removed him for the Tartaros arc. Because he was too powerful for the 9 gates. That is also why he was so incredibly disadvantaged against Wahl, because otherwise he would beat the shit out of him low diff. Hiro Mashima himself said this (direct quote):

“Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”

Do you know what this means? It means he WOULD stomp previous enemies if he was as inclusive into the story as the main cast. That is a problem Mashima himself stated and that is why he doesn't use him as much even though he is one of the most popular characters in the manga (in the official poll he was voted in the top ten and more popular than Jellal, Gildarts, or Gajeel).

If your list is perfect, how come you said the GMG dragons couldn't beat him? I already posted the panel of Laxus giving in to Hades numerous times. Mard Geer is unknown unless you're trying to tell me that Base Laxus is greater than DF Natsu + iDeS Gray... Sure, he might be stronger than the 9 Demon Gates... Never denied that. Look at Gray, Natsu, Erza, Lucy, etc. Of course he is. Wahl is the only one I would disagree. That was definitely PoF moment and if you don't believe it, we just have opposite views. No, Laxus would not stomp every enemy that Fairy Tail previously fought. I already named a few and can name more like Deliora, Jellal, Erza, Mystogan, Dorma Anim, Zero, Gods of Ishgar, Spriggans, and so many more that it is impossible to list. I don't care whether Laxus was voted to be one of the most popular characters in the manga. Popularity ≠ Strength. I don't know where you found Hiro Mashima's quote and which arc along with which enemies he was talking about. That I would need solid proof.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Laxus is so much stronger than he was back when he fought Hades it is not comparable. In the FF arc he was shocked at the illusion being able to destroy the whole cathedral. Now he can casually nuke entire landscapes.

Current Laxus would fodderize preskip demon Gray and slap pre-skip DF Natsu upside his head. He would also stomp Hades harder than LFD Natsu did. None of the individuals you listed hold a candle to Laxus right now. Jellal and maybe some Spriggans are the only possibility but still remote. The GMG dragons weren't that strong. Stronger than pre-skip Laxus sure but currently he is far more impressive. Erza also would get low diffed if I were being generous to her. She was getting owned by Ajeel and Laxus with a huge disadvantage beat Wahl and was even about to injure Ajeel casually with a wave of his hand. The quote was from an interview with Laxus's voice actor AFTER the GMG arc.

 

[iDooom]

As the good panels that you brought above suggested, the perfume was only temporary. If you can confirm that it's effect was working on him throughout the entirety of the OS arc then I will give this to you. You also keep on ignoring the fact of Erza conveniently having an eye that allows her to see through illusions, illusions are midnights only type of magic and even then she had an extremely tough time beating him. You also keep on ignoring the fact that Jura vs Hoteye didn't even get to conclude because Hoteye became good, Jura was having no trouble whatsoever with him and then he proceeded to easily defeat Brain.
Makarov tanked Jupiter in his titan form and it didn't effect him nearly as much as it effected Erza.
You're also judging characters statements as inaccurate, yet you choose to take Jura's statement at face value. Talk about double standards. You're also ignoring the fact that Erza was prepared for the blast, she prepared her strongest armour that is made specifically for defense while Jura had to act quickly on instinct and chose to use his body to protect Natsu and the rest.

If Angel, one of the weakest of the Oracion Seis, managed to inflict significant damage on Jura (even in a sneak attack), than Jura's durability is quite a bit weaker than I thought. It's not like everyone else was in perfect condition either.

You're implying that Jura would beat any one of the Oracion Seis like he beat Brain, when Brain didn't show anything impressive. Erza matching Cobra and Racer at the same time means she'd probably beat either in a 1v1 with similar ease. Midnight, even without his illusions, was quite a bit stronger than any of the OS, one-shotting a weakened Jellal and beating Hoteye with ease.

Given that Makarov and Jose were ranked a lot higher on the Wizard Saints than Jura and Makarov beat Jose, I would say it's pretty clear that Makarov > Jura. In fact, Makarov and Jura seemed pretty close in power in GMG arc. Also, from their fight in GMG, Jellal >= Jura, and Erza ~ TOH Jellal.

How long do you think Jupiter took to fire? Erza only had a few seconds to get in front and requip. And you're acting like Jura didn't use a defensive spell to protect against the blast. Both feats were definitely comparable.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Laxus is so much stronger than he was back when he fought Hades it is not comparable. In the FF arc he was shocked at the illusion being able to destroy the whole cathedral. Now he can casually nuke entire landscapes.

Current Laxus would fodderize preskip demon Gray and slap pre-skip DF Natsu upside his head. He would also stomp Hades harder than LFD Natsu did. None of the individuals you listed hold a candle to Laxus right now. Jellal and maybe some Spriggans are the only possibility but still remote. The GMG dragons weren't that strong. Stronger than pre-skip Laxus sure but currently he is far more impressive. Erza also would get low diffed if I were being generous to her. She was getting owned by Ajeel and Laxus with a huge disadvantage beat Wahl and was even about to injure Ajeel casually with a wave of his hand. The quote was from an interview with Laxus's voice actor AFTER the GMG arc.

I never compare different timeskips if you even read my posts... Where did you get that from? Of course Laxus would stomp them now. I'm saying in the respective arcs, when he was still active. As for the quote from an interview, I don't understand. Is this Hiro Mashima or Laxus' Voice Actor words? Last time I checked, Hiro Mashima is not the voice actor for Laxus. And was it said seriously or as a joke? He is Laxus' voice actor so of course he would say something of that sort for fans.

 

[Stormsfury]

If Angel, one of the weakest of the Oracion Seis, managed to inflict significant damage on Jura (even in a sneak attack), than Jura's durability is quite a bit weaker than I thought. It's not like everyone else was in perfect condition either.

You're implying that Jura would beat any one of the Oracion Seis like he beat Brain, when Brain didn't show anything impressive. Erza matching Cobra and Racer at the same time means she'd probably beat either in a 1v1 with similar ease. Midnight, even without his illusions, was quite a bit stronger than any of the OS, one-shotting a weakened Jellal and beating Hoteye with ease.

Given that Makarov and Jose were ranked a lot higher on the Wizard Saints than Jura and Makarov beat Jose, I would say it's pretty clear that Makarov > Jura. In fact, Makarov and Jura seemed pretty close in power in GMG arc. Also, from their fight in GMG, Jellal >= Jura, and Erza ~ TOH Jellal.

How long do you think Jupiter took to fire? Erza only had a few seconds to get in front and requip. And you're acting like Jura didn't use a defensive spell to protect against the blast. Both feats were definitely comparable.

Where is your evidence to back up your arguments? Panels man, show me panels that show that Jose and Makarov were ranked a lot higher than Jura in the Wizard Saints. Find something detailing their rank, then I'll give this to you. Why on earth are you now comparing Erza and TOH Jellal, when TOH Jellal is clearly much inferior to GMG Jellal? This argument literally makes no sense and I still have no idea why it's being used.
I don't care if Erza had a few seconds to prepare, the fact is that she was prepared and brought out a defensive spell and armour before the blast hit, bring me evidence that Jura used a defensive spell. Don't just make claims.
You keep talking about the Erza vs Midnight fight and comparing it to others despite the fact that Erza had a clear advantage over Midnight, Hoteye lost because of Midnight's insane illusions and Erza had the fake eye that allowed her to see through those illusions that are Midnight's speciality.
Brain was extremely impressive during his fight with Jura, Lucy, Gray and Natsu all watched the fight and were in awe of Jura's power.

Regarding the sneak attack, it was a sneak attack, just like the one that took out Makarov during the Phantom Lord arc, Aria took down Makarov with a sneak attack and Erza easily took Aria down in-turn, does that mean Erza >= Makarov? Please just stop.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Yeah my list that I made is taking current Laxus into consideration. That is why your claim that Laxus being weaker than previous arc villains is nonsense. He isn't because he is far stronger now.

No the interview was with the voice actor but Hiro Mashima made the claim.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Why do people think old ass Gildarts is about to shoot up like 5 tiers? That is hilarious.

 

[Stormsfury]

Why do people think old ass Gildarts is about to shoot up like 5 tiers? That is hilarious.

Oh look. Someone talking sense. Literally all people can do is speculate about Gildarts, there is no way they can bring anything concrete regarding his level of power as of now.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Oh look. Someone talking sense. Literally all people can do is speculate about Gildarts, there is no way they can bring anything concrete regarding his level of power as of now.

It's true, at best Gildarts should comb back strong enough to fight a Spirggan (which is sort BS in itself), but it's funny people think Gildarts will be the strongest in FT forever.

 

[iDooom]

Where is your evidence to back up your arguments? Panels man, show me panels that show that Jose and Makarov were ranked a lot higher than Jura in the Wizard Saints. Find something detailing their rank, then I'll give this to you. Why on earth are you now comparing Erza and TOH Jellal, when TOH Jellal is clearly much inferior to GMG Jellal? This argument literally makes no sense and I still have no idea why it's being used.
I don't care if Erza had a few seconds to prepare, the fact is that she was prepared and brought out a defensive spell and armour before the blast hit, bring me evidence that Jura used a defensive spell. Don't just make claims.
You keep talking about the Erza vs Midnight fight and comparing it to others despite the fact that Erza had a clear advantage over Midnight, Hoteye lost because of Midnight's insane illusions and Erza had the fake eye that allowed her to see through those illusions that are Midnight's speciality.
Brain was extremely impressive during his fight with Jura, Lucy, Gray and Natsu all watched the fight and were in awe of Jura's power.

Regarding the sneak attack, it was a sneak attack, just like the one that took out Makarov during the Phantom Lord arc, Aria took down Makarov with a sneak attack and Erza easily took Aria down in-turn, does that mean Erza >= Makarov? Please just stop.

Jellal and Jura most likely improved similar amounts over the timeskip, hence Erza ~ TOH Jellal ~ OS Jura, as expected. Jura was rank 10, so of course Makarov, Jose, and Jellal are higher rank than him.

Please reread that chapter pls.

It's funny because Aria had hax magic that drained magic and dealt more damage based on the MP of the target. Whereas Angel only has physical attacks. Do you really think surprise Lucy Kicks would deal significant damage to someone like Natsu?

Lucy, Gray, and Natsu were in awe when Erza tanked Jupiter, what's your point?

Anyway, this is kind of getting boring. If you really think Laxus is the strongest ever in FT, you are wrong.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Yeah my list that I made is taking current Laxus into consideration. That is why your claim that Laxus being weaker than previous arc villains is nonsense. He isn't because he is far stronger now.

No the interview was with the voice actor but Hiro Mashima made the claim.

How can you take Current Laxus into consideration when your list incorporates characters that have not been shown in the Alvarez Arc? Talk about nonsense... Comparing characters from different arcs is unfairly assessing the character's strength and thereby skewing their power to your liking.

Now let me give you a scenario. Current Natsu vs. Fighting Festival Laxus. Who'd win?

Please provide me the interview.

Why do people think old ass Gildarts is about to shoot up like 5 tiers? That is hilarious.

5 Tiers? Do you even know the magnitude of that difference or are you just spouting some random opinions? Mard Geer is 2x stronger than Kyōka. And that isn't even a tier above. Please. Before you talk, know that 5 tiers is the difference between Acnologia and someone like Warren. Gildarts is only 1 tier behind a Spriggan if that.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

How can you take Current Laxus into consideration when your list incorporates characters that have not been shown in the Alvarez Arc? Talk about nonsense... Comparing characters from different arcs is unfairly assessing the character's strength and thereby skewing their power to your liking.

Now let me give you a scenario. Current Natsu vs. Fighting Festival Laxus. Who'd win?

Please provide me the interview.

My list provides the latest incarnations of all the characters we have seen. Nothing more nothing less. Obviously when I make an overall power list it will be the strongest shown incarnations of all the characters involved.

Current Natsu of course that is an obvious question.

Interview:

Has your impression of Laxus changed in any way after voicing him for such a long time?

Laxus was a rebellious character when he first appeared. He grew from being a willful “young master” while fighting the members of Fairy Tail in the “Battle of Fairy Tail” arc into a manly guy that even other males would be charmed by… at least that’s what I think. Laxus’ has been tearing down the walls that he had built up all this while, and his development since then has been wonderful. Laxus is flawless in terms of his strength, but that is merely physical; I feel that his heart and mind had not been developed (until he started tearing down his walls). I’m glad to have the privilege of being able to act out the process of his growth.

Laxus is a character that has changed a lot.

That’s right. I think that there were some important factors that led to Laxus’ mind becoming severely twisted. Laxus used to be physically weak, and obtained a Dragon Slayer’s power from the lacrima that was embedded into his body, which I feel had an adverse effect on him (in terms of his mental balance, sudden acquisition of strength and such). He might also have felt inferior because his father was excommunicated from Fairy Tail. Other people also had expectations of Laxus since he’s the grandson of a powerful mage. That, along with his own insecurities and more, might have resulted in a backlash that led to his character becoming warped. If there’s some specific reason that led to such a big change in Laxus I’d like to know about it.

I’d also like to know about how the Raijinshuu was formed (laugh). They really adore Laxus, and it feels as though they have a debt of gratitude towards him for helping them in some way.

Returning to the topic, after Laxus broke out of his past self and matured… I was happy to be able to act out the part where he put himself aside and thought “I’ll do it for the sake of everyone”. Laxus was never like this before. I like episodes where everyone goes on adventures and battles, and I was very happy when Laxus fought alongside everyone in Fairy Tail during the Grand Magic Games. I’d like to say lines such as “I’ll crush the enemies of my family!!!!!” again and again (laugh). I like how Laxus is not just a strong character. Speaking of strength, Mashima-sensei once told me that “Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”. Laxus certainly is strong. He took out the whole of Raven Tail by himself during the Grand Magic Games, and even defeated Jura of the Ten Wizard Saints!! It’s unbelievable (laugh).

Is there any other character you like other than Laxus?

(Answers immediately) Mirajane!! I like everything about her. She quietly keeps watch over everything that happens in the guild and overflows with motherliness. There is a huge gap in her character, as seen when she becomes a demon in her Satan Soul form. She has so many charm points. She’s wonderful. I want to marry her (laugh). I like the episodes she has with her siblings. Elfman and Lisanna are certainly well-raised with such an elder sister around (laugh).

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

My list provides the latest incarnations of all the characters we have seen. Nothing more nothing less. Obviously when I make an overall power list it will be the strongest shown incarnations of all the characters involved.

Current Natsu of course that is an obvious question.

Interview:

Has your impression of Laxus changed in any way after voicing him for such a long time?

Laxus was a rebellious character when he first appeared. He grew from being a willful “young master” while fighting the members of Fairy Tail in the “Battle of Fairy Tail” arc into a manly guy that even other males would be charmed by… at least that’s what I think. Laxus’ has been tearing down the walls that he had built up all this while, and his development since then has been wonderful. Laxus is flawless in terms of his strength, but that is merely physical; I feel that his heart and mind had not been developed (until he started tearing down his walls). I’m glad to have the privilege of being able to act out the process of his growth.

Laxus is a character that has changed a lot.

That’s right. I think that there were some important factors that led to Laxus’ mind becoming severely twisted. Laxus used to be physically weak, and obtained a Dragon Slayer’s power from the lacrima that was embedded into his body, which I feel had an adverse effect on him (in terms of his mental balance, sudden acquisition of strength and such). He might also have felt inferior because his father was excommunicated from Fairy Tail. Other people also had expectations of Laxus since he’s the grandson of a powerful mage. That, along with his own insecurities and more, might have resulted in a backlash that led to his character becoming warped. If there’s some specific reason that led to such a big change in Laxus I’d like to know about it.

I’d also like to know about how the Raijinshuu was formed (laugh). They really adore Laxus, and it feels as though they have a debt of gratitude towards him for helping them in some way.

Returning to the topic, after Laxus broke out of his past self and matured… I was happy to be able to act out the part where he put himself aside and thought “I’ll do it for the sake of everyone”. Laxus was never like this before. I like episodes where everyone goes on adventures and battles, and I was very happy when Laxus fought alongside everyone in Fairy Tail during the Grand Magic Games. I’d like to say lines such as “I’ll crush the enemies of my family!!!!!” again and again (laugh). I like how Laxus is not just a strong character. Speaking of strength, Mashima-sensei once told me that “Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”. Laxus certainly is strong. He took out the whole of Raven Tail by himself during the Grand Magic Games, and even defeated Jura of the Ten Wizard Saints!! It’s unbelievable (laugh).

Is there any other character you like other than Laxus?

(Answers immediately) Mirajane!! I like everything about her. She quietly keeps watch over everything that happens in the guild and overflows with motherliness. There is a huge gap in her character, as seen when she becomes a demon in her Satan Soul form. She has so many charm points. She’s wonderful. I want to marry her (laugh). I like the episodes she has with her siblings. Elfman and Lisanna are certainly well-raised with such an elder sister around (laugh).

Finally, thank you for admitting Natsu is stronger than Laxus and has the potential of being the strongest Fairy Tail mage. As for the interview, I read the whole thing and it is very vague. It was more a general statement and didn't specify which enemies. For example, Mashima's statement can mean that Laxus would be able to kill off the Nine Demon Gates in Tartaros but not Mard Geer. Also, Mashima hints that Laxus is a strong character but never did he say that Laxus was the strongest character. He can make these sort of statements with other characters if he so pleases.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

I said current Natsu is stronger than FF Laxus. Not current Laxus. Of course Natsu has more potential than Laxus he is the main character. But Laxus is stronger right now.

Fact of the matter is that he specifically outlined Laxus as someone who he doesn't like to use because he is too strong. You can downplay it as usual all you want. It's not vague in the slightest.

 

[Stormsfury]

Jellal and Jura most likely improved similar amounts over the timeskip, hence Erza ~ TOH Jellal ~ OS Jura, as expected. Jura was rank 10, so of course Makarov, Jose, and Jellal are higher rank than him.

Please reread that chapter pls.

It's funny because Aria had hax magic that drained magic and dealt more damage based on the MP of the target. Whereas Angel only has physical attacks. Do you really think surprise Lucy Kicks would deal significant damage to someone like Natsu?

Lucy, Gray, and Natsu were in awe when Erza tanked Jupiter, what's your point?

Anyway, this is kind of getting boring. If you really think Laxus is the strongest ever in FT, you are wrong.

No. As I have stated time and time again, if you want to prove your point, you bring panels of the chapter to prove a statement. Where is the panel or the evidence that says Jura was number 10 in the 10 Wizard Saints? Bring the panel.
The fact is that Jura was completely unprepared, just like Makarov because it was a sneak attack, all your trying to do right now is question his durability and compare it to Erza's. Yeah they were all in awe of Erza blocking Jupiter, not tanking it. Tell me, when were they in awe of Erza actually fighting a person?The chapter in which they witnessed Jura's fight against Brain was made specifically so they could witness the strength of one of the 10 Wizard Saints.

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As of now, most certainly yes. As for the future, I doubt it, he will most likely be surpassed by Natsu because Natsu is the MC.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'll weigh in on a few things in this thread lately...

Myst v Laxus - Even. Neither got damaged nor went all out - it was a brief exchange of magic. The general portrayal is that they are comparable. It's easier to build a case for Laxus than Mystogan due to panel time.

Jura in OS arc - Tenrou Erza level up to SO-GMG Erza level at most. Jura isn't that impressive until he got better after 7 years. By his own admission he doesn't belong in the same category as Makarov in OS arc. Imo FF Laxus would beat OS Jura mid-high diff maybe just mid.

Interview - I wouldn't read too much into it. Mashima's final word is the manga as far as I am concerned. Even if Mashima did an interview and said Laxus is too strong to use I wouldn't inflate him because of that - you can just tell from panels how good he is.

People stronger than Laxus - I agree with that list that there aren't many who are proven stronger than Laxus. Even August is given the benefit of the doubt he is stronger - I think he'd beat Laxus mid diff on hype. I don't think God Serena is stronger than Laxus (I actually have Natsu's offence higher) but I am a minority on this. DiMaria with Age Seal could be considered above him, depends on how impressed you were with God Soul. Acno and Igneel destroy Laxus. Other 4 parent dragons should also stomp. Zeref would definitely win. I think Laxus could put up a fight against the likes of Motherglare. Atlas Flame and his fire body is still a bad match up for Laxus so AF should win that. Against any dragon though I give the dragon the benefit of the doubt due to their insanely tough body and ridiculous physical strength, which is a physiological difference between human and dragon. Laxus has also not displayed a single dragon slayer spell yet. Something like Natsu's FDK demolishing strike should be much more potent on a dragon than Red lightning.

People who I predict being stronger than Laxus - Jellal and Natsu. Quite possibly other Spriggans. And there's also Gajeel (DF) and Gray (hype) to consider as well. I can't see anyone else ascending to such heights, not even Gildarts.

Tiers - there is no standard of tier lists in FT because it depends on the person who makes them. Some people with think there is 4 tiers among the Spriggans, some just 2 (August/Rest). So number of tiers is subject to the list being referred to. Lot easier just to say X beats Y with Z efficiency/difficulty. If I did a tier list I would put Gildarts on Erza's tier, which is one tier below Spriggan's like Ajeel.