Laxus gave up knowing he can't beat hades 2. No was shocked how laxus can hold his own while she couldn't 3. Gray said that laxus and gildartz are monster that can compete 4. Erza said natsu is on her lvl
Laxus gave up because his limbs failed him
Of course she couldnt. She already did more than laxus ever did. Replace erza with laxus that arc. And laxus dies against azuma. He just doesnt have that stemina. Nor that endurance
And erza compete without SO. And laxus did not.
Yes erza is like that. Marakrov also said if natsu unleashed his powers laxus would have problem. Erza knew natsu will wanked by mishma from that long ago
Non of your reasons will work for
pre ts laxus > pre ts erza
Because mishma already had the opportunity and he did not show laxus to be supperior.
laxus defeated someone who both mira and erza aren't sure if they could beat him together.
laxus is still stronger by miles, destroying Deus sema isn't impressive and any top ishgar made can do it.
what makes erza stronger? lol just because she pushed a mindless acno with her fodder swords?
I'll state this. magic doesn't work against acno, no matter how powerful it is. that's why he was unscratched after Igneel attacked him with dragon's roar.
only physical attacks can, like erza's.
and lol i've just heard someone stating erza is stronger than gildarts and jellal which even more laughable.
That is not a low diff by my definition.
A mid tier attack and then some effort is near mid diff for me
Add the fact that raging bolt is below the roar. It would be a solid mid diff.
And again the gap would be 10 time less between laxus and erza compared to erza and natsu. Because one has been stressed many times and the other never mentioned or shown.
Its erza > laxus high diff
Laxus > natsu mid diff requires atleast two strong moves
Erza > natsu, gajeel, aria low diff. About one shot.
laxus defeated someone who both mira and erza aren't sure if they could beat him together.
laxus is still stronger by miles, destroying Deus sema isn't impressive and any top ishgar made can do it.
what makes erza stronger? lol just because she pushed a mindless acno with her fodder swords?
I'll state this. magic doesn't work against acno, no matter how powerful it is. that's why he was unscratched after Igneel attacked him with dragon's roar.
only physical attacks can, like erza's.
and lol i've just heard someone stating erza is stronger than gildarts and jellal which even more laughable.
they said S monster alone could give jura a fight, and yes they are right. pre prets jura was a wizard saint and wasn't as powerful as he was in GmG, pre pre ts erza too is considered a WS. GmG jura was said to be on gildarts lvl by makarov, he was ranked fifth overall, not the one who was the least powerful pre-prets
they said S monster alone could give jura a fight, and yes they are right. pre prets jura was a wizard saint and wasn't as powerful as he was in GmG, pre pre ts erza too is considered a WS. GmG jura was said to be on gildarts lvl by makarov, he was ranked fifth overall, not the one who was the least powerful pre-prets
the kind said wizard saint mages level overall, jura at that time was close to GOI, he was right after them.
a wizard saint level mage is someone like ur, and pre pre ts erza too. who are way weaker than post-ts jura.
Laxus gave up because his limbs failed him
Of course she couldnt. She already did more than laxus ever did. Replace erza with laxus that arc. And laxus dies against azuma. He just doesnt have that stemina. Nor that endurance
And erza compete without SO. And laxus did not.
Yes erza is like that. Marakrov also said if natsu unleashed his powers laxus would have problem. Erza knew natsu will wanked by mishma from that long ago
Non of your reasons will work for
pre ts laxus > pre ts erza
Because mishma already had the opportunity and he did not show laxus to be supperior.
Assuming Stuff again it clear as day that laxus said he couldn't beat him he even said he gives up despite being hit. 2. Ya excuses just like u sayin erza with laxus replace laxus with erza vs hades she wouldn't even able to do shit she doesn't have the speed to hit hades and she had 4 other ppl and a boost from Wendy she couldn't even a thing. Laxus tanked hades attack with no magic. Erza said natsu is on his lvl natsu also said he is weaker than laxus therefore hiro is saying that laxus>erza>=natsu although I know that erza>natsu that was common sense it common sense that laxus >erza back then mysotgan put her to sleep. While he couldn't with makarov and laxus
Featsand protrayal suggest otherwise. lol by ur logic ur saying that chapter 1 natsu>acno because erza knew
it seems you never learn
i remember last time when all your reply was "you are wrong" (your confidence was impressive, even though you were scaling out of a black hole)
and we know how that turned out
ah well. your feelings for laxus is too strong. his coolness blinds you
anyway you are wrong
its actually
FF arc - Erza > laxus mid diff
Laxus > Natsu - mid diff, laxus actually lost here in the manga
Tenrou arc - Erza > Laxus low diff, laxus could use all his magic, he cant put this erza down
GMG arc - Laxus > Erza(SO) extreme high diff
Tartaros arc - Erza > laxus mid diff (remember this erza, we werent sure if we blew erza head off would be enough to win)
Alvarez arc - Erza > Laxus low diff
Assuming Stuff again it clear as day that laxus said he couldn't beat him he even said he gives up despite being hit. 2. Ya excuses just like u sayin erza with laxus replace laxus with erza vs hades she wouldn't even able to do shit she doesn't have the speed to hit hades and she had 4 other ppl and a boost from Wendy she couldn't even a thing. Laxus tanked hades attack with no magic. Erza said natsu is on his lvl natsu also said he is weaker than laxus therefore hiro is saying that laxus>erza>=natsu although I know that erza>natsu that was common sense it common sense that laxus >erza back then mysotgan put her to sleep. While he couldn't with makarov and laxus
Featsand protrayal suggest otherwise. lol by ur logic ur saying that chapter 1 natsu>acno because erza knew
last time my assumptions seems the most accurate one
you were pretty much saying
laxus >>> ajeel > erza
you should be really careful now. you arent good at reading mishma very much
and what did everyone else say. why did laxus call him a monster. why was laxus on his knees.
lol laxus isnt faster than erza. he never was. his base speed is around erza base speed. his lb is around erza souring armor. stop arbitrary making people faster or slower. its just weird
yes, erza with barely any magic and who having problem taking a step what four pages ago, was out speed by laxus, wow.
you know, you think erza is weaker right? then shouldnt you compare full fresh erza to full fresh laxus, or full fresh erza to wrecked laxus. why are you using wrecked erza against full fresh redemption powered laxus
laxus cant survive without magic. its a good durability feat but not anymore impressive than erza tanking 200 lacrima with barely any magic back
erm. erza has feats. where she out perform natsu easily. i am not saying like erza performed better against character while natsu performed worse against another character. no but against the same character, in which they were in the same condition or erza was worse off. so if we are to believe hero said erza >= natsu then feats are bs and even ff gajeel can probably one shot ff laxus.
dude your common sense last time had laxus one shoting erza. we know how that turned out.
and now you are using a sneak attack as basis of power, in which both laxus and markrov knew about mystogan and erza did not and laxus had access to freed and whether laxus wasnt straight out lying with huge ego of his
the kind said wizard saint mages level overall, jura at that time was close to GOI, he was right after them.
a wizard saint level mage is someone like ur, and pre pre ts erza too. who are way weaker than post-ts jura.
now this is good
here is the problem, this a shonen manga
where the main should raise as much if not more than some secondary or irrelevant characters
Jura was the weakest WS. erza was also ws tier. so was jellal.
laxus was not. atleast not mentioned
if Jura was stronger than erza in OS arc, it was not really shown.
let say in OS Jura would then high diff erza. Jura is weakest WS and erza is also a ws tier (not a huge gap)
after time skip
erza improved as much as gray or as much as natsu
so again in GMG
Jura would then high diff SO erza
also remember pre SO erza took out an S class monster and 99 other monsters. that is already around 7th rank WS tier feat
this is all based on the fact that erza was infact not stronger than jura back in OS (since erza was shown equivilant to jellal in ToH arc)
and SO is not a bigger boost than what everyone else got.
Wahl being immune to lightening is his magic. No difference than koyoka sensation curse.
Dont know mbp effect other than free hits he got. Wahl also gave him power in between
So laxus had one disadvantaged compared to two of erza.
Human acono wasnt trying to kill laxus so no point comparing the two events.
Laxus tanked nothing. And he was less disadvantaged than cobra, rouge and sting.
Tempesta died because he did his last move. Which was to blow himself up. Laxus attack did not even knock him out.
No no
Wahl speed attack power also sucks.
Since he couldnt even take out a laxus who was basically on death door. He coildnt even out speed dieing laxus
Why is wahl and irene mid tier
Human irene fought her counter and a person who is alot stronger than laxus.
Wahl fought a dieing laxus
Basically you are argueing like this
Laxus is stronger than erza
Thus (alot of reasons here)
Laxus is stronger than erza
By equating wahl with irene. You need nothing else
Because that sentence already mean
Dieing laxus > erza plus wendy.
Wahl is a mid tier like ajeel
I along with mishma claims that irene is top tier
Your argument does not work here because you will never accept this for gmg arc. That i am not claiming rufus is top tier. So lets agree on gmg jura and gmg rufus being about equal. It just doesnt work like this
Its
dragon irene > red form august > irene > august >>> ajeel = wahl
Dragon irene would low diff gildart plus jellal. Something that august cant do
No we know nothing of enchantment or deenchantment. So no power was used here. It didnt even take wendy any effort to do this.
She was only in trouble at the very end. When ajeel grabed her and dehydrading her. Erza only had trouble after sand world which exploited her weakness. Before that ajeel was in trouble
And no point before she was in danger.
Now tell me
Are we ranking according to performance
Then we can say irene is a mid tier springgan. (Wendy deenchant somehow, remember even old ultear can counter dimeria time stop)
And wahl is on that tier where a springgan can one shot him causally (even dieing person is too much for this guy, can he even beat levy)
Or by hype
In which case
(August = irene >>> ajeel = wahl)
Wahl didn't have to use any power to keep his Lightning Immunity. That's why it's a disadvantage for Laxus. Wahl pretty much got that advantage for free.
Every time Kyouka increased Erza's senses and pain, she used up her own Curse Power. She actually had to exert power to make Erza feel greater pain. That's no disadvantage, that's an actual spell.
Tempesta self-destructed because he was already beaten. He couldn't fight back any longer, so he exploded himself into Magic Barrier Particles that way his effort wouldn't be wasted.
He would at least be able to kill the civilians of the town before he died and had to be revived at Hell's Core.
Even though Laxus was dying, he could still move at the speed of lightning. Wahl matched that speed, so he definitely has good speed. His attack power is decent, but he just lacked the intelligence to kill Laxus with his cannon.
He miscalculated and had a dumb error at the end. That's why I put him at mid-tier Spriggan level.
Just because Laxus is sick, it doesn't make him fodder tier. That's like saying a sick Hades is fodder level...
Hades without his heart could have still slaughtered most of the FT guild members.
I'm not calling Wahl top-tier. But you're the one calling Irene top-tier.
Human Irene had all of her spells disenchanted by Base Wendy.... who couldn't even stand in Bluenote's gravity. A 95% crippled Erza tanked her strongest spell, Deus Sema.
How can she be a top-tier Spriggan when August is on the level of Jellal + Gildartz??
Mashima did not claim Irene was top-tier... Irene self-proclaimed that title.
Mashima wrote the story where Irene has a cocky and overconfident attitude. But he never praised Irene for being top-tier himself. You're confusing between Mashima and Irene.
Irene is in the story. Mashima is outside of it with his pen and ink.
Actually, we do know everything about enchanting and disenchanting...
Enchanting costs magic power from their user... No magic, no enchantments possible.
Disenchantment is the reverse of that. In order to cancel somebody's attack, you got to use some of your magic power to nullify it.
And yeah, I'm talking about the very end.
Erza almost got dehydrated by Ajeel and nearly died.
Of course she was going all out, otherwise she wouldn't have been caught and at Ajeel's mercy. Otherwise, Erza has low intelligence.
We're ranking by performance.
Both Irene and Wahl have low intelligence. Therefore, both are mid-tier Spriggans or lower.
But Laxus still tanked a hit from Acnologia while being at a "triple disadvantage". Erza needed Jellal to save her from Acnologia. I guess we know the winner now.
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last time my assumptions seems the most accurate one
you were pretty much saying
laxus >>> ajeel > erza
you should be really careful now. you arent good at reading mishma very much
and what did everyone else say. why did laxus call him a monster. why was laxus on his knees.
lol laxus isnt faster than erza. he never was. his base speed is around erza base speed. his lb is around erza souring armor. stop arbitrary making people faster or slower. its just weird
yes, erza with barely any magic and who having problem taking a step what four pages ago, was out speed by laxus, wow.
you know, you think erza is weaker right? then shouldnt you compare full fresh erza to full fresh laxus, or full fresh erza to wrecked laxus. why are you using wrecked erza against full fresh redemption powered laxus
laxus cant survive without magic. its a good durability feat but not anymore impressive than erza tanking 200 lacrima with barely any magic back
erm. erza has feats. where she out perform natsu easily. i am not saying like erza performed better against character while natsu performed worse against another character. no but against the same character, in which they were in the same condition or erza was worse off. so if we are to believe hero said erza >= natsu then feats are bs and even ff gajeel can probably one shot ff laxus.
dude your common sense last time had laxus one shoting erza. we know how that turned out.
and now you are using a sneak attack as basis of power, in which both laxus and markrov knew about mystogan and erza did not and laxus had access to freed and whether laxus wasnt straight out lying with huge ego of his
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no I didn't say that u was saying that just becuase he could oneshot ajeel doesn't mean he would have down the same lol erza endurance>ajeel simple as that and idc about Alvarez since I admit that she surpass him then but be4 that TS was weaker.
Why was erza shocked on laxus performance? Saying I didn't know that he was this powerful*
Give me panels when erza=laxus in speed. Erza with barely any magic lol show me proof plus she had 4 other ppl helping and a boost from Wendy that was her support but yet she was getting wrecking around. full fresh laxus and he performed really well.
Cool story show me panel where that erza and tank magic power without magic?
Laxus has shown the feats but u continue to downgrade it that like saying erza>gildartz and zeref be4 the TS becuase her endurance is high it doesn't work that way. Ur going against hiro words with laxus he even said sometimes he doesn't know how to can write laxus.m becuase of powerful he was at the time. ur saying that erza can oneshot natsu becuase she oneshot aria? Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance erza isn't oneshotting natsu. i never said laxus oneshots erza idk where u got that from?
Laxus and makarov knew how he look liked but doesn't mean they knew his magic ablites laxus even said that he wanted to see how strong mystogan is because he never seen his feats idk y freed is brought here he is very irrelevant
last time my assumptions seems the most accurate one
you were pretty much saying
laxus >>> ajeel > erza
you should be really careful now. you arent good at reading mishma very much
and what did everyone else say. why did laxus call him a monster. why was laxus on his knees.
lol laxus isnt faster than erza. he never was. his base speed is around erza base speed. his lb is around erza souring armor. stop arbitrary making people faster or slower. its just weird
yes, erza with barely any magic and who having problem taking a step what four pages ago, was out speed by laxus, wow.
you know, you think erza is weaker right? then shouldnt you compare full fresh erza to full fresh laxus, or full fresh erza to wrecked laxus. why are you using wrecked erza against full fresh redemption powered laxus
laxus cant survive without magic. its a good durability feat but not anymore impressive than erza tanking 200 lacrima with barely any magic back
erm. erza has feats. where she out perform natsu easily. i am not saying like erza performed better against character while natsu performed worse against another character. no but against the same character, in which they were in the same condition or erza was worse off. so if we are to believe hero said erza >= natsu then feats are bs and even ff gajeel can probably one shot ff laxus.
dude your common sense last time had laxus one shoting erza. we know how that turned out.
and now you are using a sneak attack as basis of power, in which both laxus and markrov knew about mystogan and erza did not and laxus had access to freed and whether laxus wasnt straight out lying with huge ego of his
no I didn't say that u was saying that just becuase he could oneshot ajeel doesn't mean he would have down the same lol erza endurance>ajeel simple as that and idc about Alvarez since I admit that she surpass him then but be4 that TS was weaker.
Why was erza shocked on laxus performance? Saying I didn't know that he was this powerful*
Give me panels when erza=laxus in speed. Erza with barely any magic lol show me proof plus she had 4 other ppl helping and a boost from Wendy that was her support but yet she was getting wrecking around. full fresh laxus and he performed really well.
Cool story show me panel where that erza and tank magic power without magic?
Laxus has shown the feats but u continue to downgrade it that like saying erza>gildartz and zeref be4 the TS becuase her endurance is high it doesn't work that way. Ur going against hiro words with laxus he even said sometimes he doesn't know how to can write laxus.m becuase of powerful he was at the time. ur saying that erza can oneshot natsu becuase she oneshot aria? Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance erza isn't oneshotting natsu. i never said laxus oneshots erza idk where u got that from?
Laxus and makarov knew how he look liked but doesn't mean they knew his magic ablites laxus even said that he wanted to see how strong mystogan is because he never seen his feats idk y freed is brought here he is very irrelevant
my point is your common sense doesn't seems to work in this manga
she was shocked because she just saw formula 25 hit laxus, and it seems like laxus tanked. thus she made that statement. right after that statement, laxus fell on his knees.
give me panels where their speeds are compared. and no i dont want wrecked erza compared with fresh laxus. show me where both are fresh and then their feats against same opponents or something along those line. no ambiguity.
erza barely any magic. check out end of azuma fight. she could barely take a step.
4 other people lol. they were all fodders because of their conditions. laxus basically performed better than 4 lucys. thats it
also can you show me how much better erza performed agianst hades compared to lucy.
laxus didnt perform well at all. he got low diffed. he whaled on hades, once hades got his bearing, laxus was pretty much one shotted.
remember thunder palace. erza summoned like 200 swords. after that she couldnt even summon one more, then she sent them flying. thats pretty much around what laxus did.
laxus hasnt shown the feat.that is the point. what people and you use, are confusing things in between. and you just give all benefit of doubt to laxus. that is it.
mystogan spell is a good example
comparing a fresh laxus to wrecked erza is another (you took speed and strength from here)
and no magic tanking is also another example (we know for a fact no magic, means a mage is dead)
"Laxus and makarov knew how he look liked but doesn't mean they knew his magic abilites laxus even said that he wanted to see how strong mystogan is because he never seen his feats idk y freed is brought here he is very irrelevant"
they could. freed could easily give laxus a rune. this is not a way check power.
yes laxus is so strong, only way mishma could write him to have him kiss ground this arc
"ur saying that erza can oneshot natsu becuase she oneshot aria? Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance erza isn't oneshotting natsu. i never said laxus oneshots erza idk where u got that from?"
this is even more funnier. this manga does not show us all stats. for example can you tell me whose durability is higher
nienhart or the demon gajeel fought in tartarus arc
when you dont have information, you make it simpler. you dont just give random things like Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance, natsu is a main character, he obviously has to keep on going, aria meanwhile is an irrelevant enemy.
i do a simple thing. which might not be accurate
if someone has equal amount of power, their durability should be around each other (exception might exists, but those would be weak opinions)
aria was low diffing natsu. i am already giving natsu alot of benefit of doubt of putting natsu on aria tier. (think something like kagura being on lacarde tier or erza low diffing ajeel based on only ajeel and lacarde fight)
this benefit of doubt translate to natsu being around aria, maybe little stronger. a mid tier attack from a wrecked erza would actually do as much laxus lightening dragon roar did to natsu.
Wahl didn't have to use any power to keep his Lightning Immunity. That's why it's a disadvantage for Laxus. Wahl pretty much got that advantage for free.
Every time Kyouka increased Erza's senses and pain, she used up her own Curse Power. She actually had to exert power to make Erza feel greater pain. That's no disadvantage, that's an actual spell.
Tempesta self-destructed because he was already beaten. He couldn't fight back any longer, so he exploded himself into Magic Barrier Particles that way his effort wouldn't be wasted.
He would at least be able to kill the civilians of the town before he died and had to be revived at Hell's Core.
Even though Laxus was dying, he could still move at the speed of lightning. Wahl matched that speed, so he definitely has good speed. His attack power is decent, but he just lacked the intelligence to kill Laxus with his cannon.
He miscalculated and had a dumb error at the end. That's why I put him at mid-tier Spriggan level.
Just because Laxus is sick, it doesn't make him fodder tier. That's like saying a sick Hades is fodder level...
Hades without his heart could have still slaughtered most of the FT guild members.
I'm not calling Wahl top-tier. But you're the one calling Irene top-tier.
Human Irene had all of her spells disenchanted by Base Wendy.... who couldn't even stand in Bluenote's gravity. A 95% crippled Erza tanked her strongest spell, Deus Sema.
How can she be a top-tier Spriggan when August is on the level of Jellal + Gildartz??
Mashima did not claim Irene was top-tier... Irene self-proclaimed that title.
Mashima wrote the story where Irene has a cocky and overconfident attitude. But he never praised Irene for being top-tier himself. You're confusing between Mashima and Irene.
Irene is in the story. Mashima is outside of it with his pen and ink.
Actually, we do know everything about enchanting and disenchanting...
Enchanting costs magic power from their user... No magic, no enchantments possible.
Disenchantment is the reverse of that. In order to cancel somebody's attack, you got to use some of your magic power to nullify it.
And yeah, I'm talking about the very end.
Erza almost got dehydrated by Ajeel and nearly died.
Of course she was going all out, otherwise she wouldn't have been caught and at Ajeel's mercy. Otherwise, Erza has low intelligence.
We're ranking by performance.
Both Irene and Wahl have low intelligence. Therefore, both are mid-tier Spriggans or lower.
But Laxus still tanked a hit from Acnologia while being at a "triple disadvantage". Erza needed Jellal to save her from Acnologia. I guess we know the winner now.
irrelevant. it wahl and koyoka ability which give them this advantage.
o i forgot koyoka also took power from the other female demon and was empowering herself.
my point was tempesta wasnt defeated, he did the last spell. laxus got him with two hits and he was able to do the last spell.
speed of what! lol man
laxus doesnt move at speed of lightening
he just moves really fast. a dying laxus doesnt move fast at all
a dying laxus has levy or below level durabilty. yes dyng hades would be very weak as well. hades without heart is something else
"Just because Laxus is sick, it doesn't make him fodder tier. That's like saying a sick Hades is fodder level..."
yes it does. fuked up marakrov couldnt even stop zancrow back in tenrou arc
"I'm not calling Wahl top-tier. But you're the one calling Irene top-tier."
again i repeat i am not calling rufus a top tier in gmg. you are calling jura top tier in gmg
we already know countering de enchanting has nothing to do with power
that dues sema was overpowered by third strongest move of this arc. so thats ok too
because irene can one shot gildart + jellal
and august cant
"Irene self-proclaimed that title"
erm
brandish gave her the title
nienhart treated her above zeref
mira and mavis both seems to find them as equal
Mishma showed these two battle in a pretty similar way including them committing suicide at the end
"Actually, we do know everything about enchanting and disenchanting..."
no you know nothing. you are just trying to give simple explanation. though it is already wrong since
Human irene mp = red form august mp >> gildarts mp > laxus mp >> wendy mp
she was at his mercy at the last moment. thats it, before that she wasnt going all out.
standard fairy tail style
by performance ok
irene > erza + wendy
sick laxus > wahl
since wendy can counter irene, human irene is a mid tier (like old ultear counter dimeria time stop)
wahl couldnt beat a very sick laxus
so its
serena (top tier) > irene (mid tier) >> jura > gmg minerva > wahl
"But Laxus still tanked a hit from Acnologia while being at a "triple disadvantage". Erza needed Jellal to save her from Acnologia. I guess we know the winner now. "
lol nice try man
sting durability is well known thanks to lacarde. he tanked as much as laxus did. human acono is obviously not trying to kill them.
so laxus and erza durabilty is still up for grab
however attack power is not
erza blew dragon acono right out of the sky, laxus couldnt even move human acono
irrelevant. it wahl and koyoka ability which give them this advantage.
o i forgot koyoka also took power from the other female demon and was empowering herself.
my point was tempesta wasnt defeated, he did the last spell. laxus got him with two hits and he was able to do the last spell.
speed of what! lol man
laxus doesnt move at speed of lightening
he just moves really fast. a dying laxus doesnt move fast at all
a dying laxus has levy or below level durabilty. yes dyng hades would be very weak as well. hades without heart is something else
"Just because Laxus is sick, it doesn't make him fodder tier. That's like saying a sick Hades is fodder level..."
yes it does. fuked up marakrov couldnt even stop zancrow back in tenrou arc
"I'm not calling Wahl top-tier. But you're the one calling Irene top-tier."
again i repeat i am not calling rufus a top tier in gmg. you are calling jura top tier in gmg
we already know countering de enchanting has nothing to do with power
that dues sema was overpowered by third strongest move of this arc. so thats ok too
because irene can one shot gildart + jellal
and august cant
"Irene self-proclaimed that title"
erm
brandish gave her the title
nienhart treated her above zeref
mira and mavis both seems to find them as equal
Mishma showed these two battle in a pretty similar way including them committing suicide at the end
"Actually, we do know everything about enchanting and disenchanting..."
no you know nothing. you are just trying to give simple explanation. though it is already wrong since
Human irene mp = red form august mp >> gildarts mp > laxus mp >> wendy mp
she was at his mercy at the last moment. thats it, before that she wasnt going all out.
standard fairy tail style
by performance ok
irene > erza + wendy
sick laxus > wahl
since wendy can counter irene, human irene is a mid tier (like old ultear counter dimeria time stop)
wahl couldnt beat a very sick laxus
so its
serena (top tier) > irene (mid tier) >> jura > gmg minerva > wahl
"But Laxus still tanked a hit from Acnologia while being at a "triple disadvantage". Erza needed Jellal to save her from Acnologia. I guess we know the winner now. "
lol nice try man
sting durability is well known thanks to lacarde. he tanked as much as laxus did. human acono is obviously not trying to kill them.
so laxus and erza durabilty is still up for grab
however attack power is not
erza blew dragon acono right out of the sky, laxus couldnt even move human acono
my point is your common sense doesn't seems to work in this man
she was shocked because she just saw formula 25 hit laxus, and it seems like laxus tanked. thus she made that statement. right after that statement, laxus fell on his knees.
give me panels where their speeds are compared. and no i dont want wrecked erza compared with fresh laxus. show me where both are fresh and then their feats against same opponents or something along those line. no ambiguity.
erza barely any magic. check out end of azuma fight. she could barely take a step.
4 other people lol. they were all fodders because of their conditions. laxus basically performed better than 4 lucys. thats it
also can you show me how much better erza performed agianst hades compared to lucy.
laxus didnt perform well at all. he got low diffed. he whaled on hades, once hades got his bearing, laxus was pretty much one shotted.
remember thunder palace. erza summoned like 200 swords. after that she couldnt even summon one more, then she sent them flying. thats pretty much around what laxus did.
laxus hasnt shown the feat.that is the point. what people and you use, are confusing things in between. and you just give all benefit of doubt to laxus. that is it.
mystogan spell is a good example
comparing a fresh laxus to wrecked erza is another (you took speed and strength from here)
and no magic tanking is also another example (we know for a fact no magic, means a mage is dead)
"Laxus and makarov knew how he look liked but doesn't mean they knew his magic abilites laxus even said that he wanted to see how strong mystogan is because he never seen his feats idk y freed is brought here he is very irrelevant"
they could. freed could easily give laxus a rune. this is not a way check power.
yes laxus is so strong, only way mishma could write him to have him kiss ground this arc
"ur saying that erza can oneshot natsu becuase she oneshot aria? Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance erza isn't oneshotting natsu. i never said laxus oneshots erza idk where u got that from?"
this is even more funnier. this manga does not show us all stats. for example can you tell me whose durability is higher
nienhart or the demon gajeel fought in tartarus arc
when you dont have information, you make it simpler. you dont just give random things like Natsu endurance=/=aria endurance, natsu is a main character, he obviously has to keep on going, aria meanwhile is an irrelevant enemy.
i do a simple thing. which might not be accurate
if someone has equal amount of power, their durability should be around each other (exception might exists, but those would be weak opinions)
aria was low diffing natsu. i am already giving natsu alot of benefit of doubt of putting natsu on aria tier. (think something like kagura being on lacarde tier or erza low diffing ajeel based on only ajeel and lacarde fight)
this benefit of doubt translate to natsu being around aria, maybe little stronger. a mid tier attack from a wrecked erza would actually do as much laxus lightening dragon roar did to natsu
Cool then let's use ur logic I guess erza>gildartz becuase that how the manga works despite the protrayal in the past. Told u that gray said it but ur in denial
Exactly she was shocked how she underestimated laxus thinking she is on his lvl also the same erza that said that hades beat makarov who was clearly stronger than her at the time. Simple erza vs Azuma laxus vs hades erza couldn't blitz azuma laxus could get hits on hades. What makes u think a full health erza could?
Ya I remember I also remember seeing with her nakama red pants on and moments later was walking fine. Doesn't matter 4 ppl helping u plus a boost in every stat Is above a full fresh heathy laxus unless u think laxus>injured team natsu plus a boost . That's like saying that erza=makarov if she was healthy vs Jose or Mira=erza becuase Mira wasn't 100%
No that ur assumption with no evidence behind it facts are erza was knocked out laxus wasn't.
Obviously nienhart because he took a post timeskip jellal and natsu move to take him out that over gajeel attacks.
Ur funny I could argue that erza is part of the main cast so she will always get back up no matter the circumstances laxus is just a secondary character so he wouldn't get the same amount of screen time as erza. Natsu beat gajeel the strongest in the PH guild at that time. Aria durability sucks hence why he can getting oneshotted natsu was able to get a hit him it would lead to the same result but he couldn't reach him.
did the last blow, that still is fighting back. point is he wasnt one shotted
o the hades with the heart destroyed. does he even have feats
laxus wasnt simply sick man, wahl was surprised laxus was even alive.
meanwhile sick markrov was shown in ff arc
"How do you know countering an enchantment takes no power?
Without magic, Wendy can't undo somebody's magic. It's pretty much a given that Wendy needed to use her Magic Power to nullify Irene's spell."
it takes power
but how much
wendy mp is no where near irene
mishma never stated august was top tier or jura was top tier. performance would never work because you end up with
serena > august
gmg minerva > wahl
this way you would always use your old standards to guess who is strong
like erza had trouble with ajeel
natsu took out FH zeref
since we already knew erza was stronger than natsu
we get crap like ajeel > fh zeref
erza was struggling after only sand world, that was one haxy spell erza had no magic to counter.
that is correct. so how do rank jura above kagura. gmg kagura can causally hit at jupiter tier and can move faster than racer by alot. meanwhile jura has no durabily (not including defensive spells) and endurance feat.
how do rank fh zeref above jacob
or powered up acono above august
you have to accept hype otherwise you would never rank wahl even near ajeel. by buying that hype you already say
sick laxus > erza
why arent you going by performance here
you accepted hype of wahl = ajeel
or maybe fan hype wahl > ajeel
and then you managed to scale laxus above erza
or you scaled from tartarus arc, which doesnt work either because laxus was suffering from magic eating cancer. logically speaking he should be actually weaker than his pre skip self, because of the said cancer.
you have to have a standard on which you are scaling
but those same hands did nothing to sting, the weaker version of the guy who was getting wrecked by lacarde.
how much weak did unaware and mindless body is? please show some manga proof.
Cool then let's use ur logic I guess erza>gildartz becuase that how the manga works despite the protrayal in the past. Told u that gray said it but ur in denial
Exactly she was shocked how she underestimated laxus thinking she is on his lvl also the same erza that said that hades beat makarov who was clearly stronger than her at the time. Simple erza vs Azuma laxus vs hades erza couldn't blitz azuma laxus could get hits on hades. What makes u think a full health erza could?
Ya I remember I also remember seeing with her nakama red pants on and moments later was walking fine. Doesn't matter 4 ppl helping u plus a boost in every stat Is above a full fresh heathy laxus unless u think laxus>injured team natsu plus a boost . That's like saying that erza=makarov if she was healthy vs Jose or Mira=erza becuase Mira wasn't 100%
No that ur assumption with no evidence behind it facts are erza was knocked out laxus wasn't.
Obviously nienhart because he took a post timeskip jellal and natsu move to take him out that over gajeel attacks.
Ur funny I could argue that erza is part of the main cast so she will always get back up no matter the circumstances laxus is just a secondary character so he wouldn't get the same amount of screen time as erza. Natsu beat gajeel the strongest in the PH guild at that time. Aria durability sucks hence why he can getting oneshotted natsu was able to get a hit him it would lead to the same result but he couldn't reach him.
at this point yes, so is natsu above gildart. but we probably wont get any manga proof for this
another 5 second of hype for laxus.
interestingly you are already ignoring markarov hype of erza being able to take laxus back in ff arc. also ignoring s class monster hype
yes erza was shocked laxus can tank 25 formula. which he couldnt so no problem. erza jumped the gun
erza did blitz azuma with souring armor.
laxus only blitz hades after hades was reeling from the blow which came directly at the start of the fight (when they were talking), or when laxus seems to have tanked the 25 formula.
Ya I remember I also remember seeing with her nakama red pants on and moments later was walking fine. Doesn't matter 4 ppl helping u plus a boost in every stat Is above a full fresh heathy laxus unless u think laxus>injured team natsu plus a boost . That's like saying that erza=makarov if she was healthy vs Jose or Mira=erza becuase Mira wasn't 100%
laxus > injured team natsu plus a boost
erza > injured team natsu plus a boost
laxus >= gajeel + natsu > injured team natsu plus a boost
when things arent clear dont use it
or are saying since in ff arc natsu managed to win
natsu > laxus
ignoring laxus lose of power from before
i dont use hades fight as a way to scale, because any result will come will be very inaccurate. why not use laxus vs natsu + gajeel, where everything is clear
Ur funny I could argue that erza is part of the main cast so she will always get back up no matter the circumstances laxus is just a secondary character so he wouldn't get the same amount of screen time as erza. Natsu beat gajeel the strongest in the PH guild at that time. Aria durability sucks hence why he can getting oneshotted natsu was able to get a hit him it would lead to the same result but he couldn't reach him.
yes that is why even know after seeing erza do all the things in current arc and laxus just kissing the ground. i still maintain if erza can beat current laxus, its gonna be a high diff win. plot must be factored in, at the end.
that is also why laxus surviving hades nuke isnt impressive, because everyone survives
why is gajeel strongest. aria was low diffing natsu
you seems to have no problem believing natsu jumping from being low diff by aria, to being mid diff, to being high diff, then beating aria at high diff. a jump of three stages in one page yet, still talked for ages about how ajeel is stronger than erza (even though one can only say he won high diff, though he lost high diff)
on what account aria has low durability
gmg jura had low durability, wahl had low durability (no no those were laxus power feat, right?)
but since erza did it, he had low durability right?(we had this crap this arc too, since erza took out dues sema, everyone and their mother can do it )
you see why you were wrong for this arc, is exactly why you are wrong for the previous arcs
look for 5 second of hype form laxus. (erza jumping the gun, gray 5 seconds or august small implication) check
ignore everyone else hype. (markarov hyping erza, dues sema hype) check
find events which are difficult to scale, and use them as power scaling. (laxus mbp, red lightening, laxus casual nuke, laxus lb against hades, wendy boost, hades causal nuke) check
make arbitrary stuffs up, thus can scale where ever you want. (aria durability below gajeel, laxus being faster than erza, laxus without mbp) check
at this point yes, so is natsu above gildart. but we probably wont get any manga proof for this
another 5 second of hype for laxus.
interestingly you are already ignoring markarov hype of erza being able to take laxus back in ff arc. also ignoring s class monster hype
yes erza was shocked laxus can tank 25 formula. which he couldnt so no problem. erza jumped the gun
erza did blitz azuma with souring armor.
laxus only blitz hades after hades was reeling from the blow which came directly at the start of the fight (when they were talking), or when laxus seems to have tanked the 25 formula.
laxus > injured team natsu plus a boost
erza > injured team natsu plus a boost
laxus >= gajeel + natsu > injured team natsu plus a boost
when things arent clear dont use it
or are saying since in ff arc natsu managed to win
natsu > laxus
ignoring laxus lose of power from before
i dont use hades fight as a way to scale, because any result will come will be very inaccurate. why not use laxus vs natsu + gajeel, where everything is clear
what. when was erza knocked out
yes that is why even know after seeing erza do all the things in current arc and laxus just kissing the ground. i still maintain if erza can beat current laxus, its gonna be a high diff win. plot must be factored in, at the end.
that is also why laxus surviving hades nuke isnt impressive, because everyone survives
why is gajeel strongest. aria was low diffing natsu
you seems to have no problem believing natsu jumping from being low diff by aria, to being mid diff, to being high diff, then beating aria at high diff. a jump of three stages in one page yet, still talked for ages about how ajeel is stronger than erza (even though one can only say he won high diff, though he lost high diff)
on what account aria has low durability
gmg jura had low durability, wahl had low durability (no no those were laxus power feat, right?)
but since erza did it, he had low durability right?(we had this crap this arc too, since erza took out dues sema, everyone and their mother can do it )
you see why you were wrong for this arc, is exactly why you are wrong for the previous arcs
look for 5 second of hype form laxus. (erza jumping the gun, gray 5 seconds or august small implication) check
ignore everyone else hype. (markarov hyping erza, dues sema hype) check
find events which are difficult to scale, and use them as power scaling. (laxus mbp, red lightening, laxus casual nuke, laxus lb against hades, wendy boost, hades causal nuke) check
make arbitrary stuffs up, thus can scale where ever you want. (aria durability below gajeel, laxus being faster than erza, laxus without mbp) check
erza didnt jumped the gun she knew that she cant perform the same feat as laxus simple as that. that like saying that erza didnt tank azuma tower burst attack because she was down for a couple secs?
lol nice try they were not talking there were looking at each other for a a sec and then laxus proceed to attack. again downplaying laxus feats.
cool i guess wendy>injured team natsu with boost
happy>injured team natsu with boost too
natsu didnt win by himself when he beat laxus. or else ur logic is saying that wendy=erza because because they both contributed to beat hades.
if we used natsu and gajeel vs laxus then the argument benefit for laxus even better because erza hasnt shown to take on 2 people at natsu level at the time.
mystogan put her to sleep he couldnt with laxus and makarov prove of the portrayal that laxus>erza
bro i talking about sololy on the be4 the timeskip that laxus has always been over erza. until the current arc. i agree that erza>laxus currently but laxus was stronger than her be4 the TS. every1 survived cool because all this have magic left while laxus didnt when he hit it.
because he was consider to be the strongest at the time?
aria durability does sucks he was taken out by one hit by makarov and erza. when natsu was fighting he couldnt get a hit on him its a simple as that. he wasnt tanking natsu attacks. was ajeel ,wahl(well he debateable cause we dont know his durability outside his lighting immunity) and jura taken down by one hit? no. yes i could say that aria>natsu at that time but doesnt mean his durablity doesnt suck.
so u dont know pick and choose erzas hype and then dehype laxus too?
Laxus is outmatched, possibly in every relevant area bar speed (by speed, I mean who would get from point A to B faster). Her feats of strength, power, endurance and versatility should simply overwhelm Laxus--minimum difficulty.
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. That's like saying that erza=makarov if she was healthy vs Jose or Mira=erza becuase Mira wasn't 100%
