Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Erza Scarlet

[CaptainTorch]

Omg this thread is cancerous... Erza is super strong and all, but people wank her too much :/
Here how it is:
FF arc: Laxus > Erza - mid/high diff
Laxus > Natsu - low diff
Tenrou arc: Laxus > Erza - low diff
GMG arc: Laxus > Erza(SO) - mid/high diff
Tartaros arc: Laxus > Erza - mid/high diff
Alvarez arc: Laxus > Erza - mid diff(Despite of all the wanking Erza got from Hiro this arc, I still believe Laxus to be steadily higher)

 

[Nemispelled]

did the last blow, that still is fighting back. point is he wasnt one shotted

o the hades with the heart destroyed. does he even have feats

laxus wasnt simply sick man, wahl was surprised laxus was even alive.
meanwhile sick markrov was shown in ff arc

"How do you know countering an enchantment takes no power?

Without magic, Wendy can't undo somebody's magic. It's pretty much a given that Wendy needed to use her Magic Power to nullify Irene's spell."
it takes power
but how much
wendy mp is no where near irene

mishma never stated august was top tier or jura was top tier. performance would never work because you end up with
serena > august
gmg minerva > wahl

this way you would always use your old standards to guess who is strong
like erza had trouble with ajeel
natsu took out FH zeref
since we already knew erza was stronger than natsu
we get crap like ajeel > fh zeref


erza was struggling after only sand world, that was one haxy spell erza had no magic to counter.

Tempesta was practically dying on the ground. He was completely paralyzed and out of power. He only self-destructed his body to release the MBPs because he could no longer fight back. Why else would he suicide?

Laxus was sick. Otherwise he would have collapsed dead when Gray found him the forest. If Laxus could suppress the disease, that means he wasn't at the brink of death.


Well, feats show Wendy's MP = Irene's MP.

Disenchanting something means you have to nullify or reverse it. If Wendy is capable of making Irene's attacks disappear in thin air, that means her magic power was on par to Irene's spells.


Mashima doesn't need to state that August is top-tier. His feats proved that he is top-tier. Again, I judge a character's strength by their feats, not just some mere words.

FH Zeref isn't strong... Ajeel and Erza are both better than him. But in terms of tiers, Ajeel and Erza are on the same level.

that is correct. so how do rank jura above kagura. gmg kagura can causally hit at jupiter tier and can move faster than racer by alot. meanwhile jura has no durabily (not including defensive spells) and endurance feat.
how do rank fh zeref above jacob
or powered up acono above august


you have to accept hype otherwise you would never rank wahl even near ajeel. by buying that hype you already say
sick laxus > erza
why arent you going by performance here

you accepted hype of wahl = ajeel
or maybe fan hype wahl > ajeel
and then you managed to scale laxus above erza

or you scaled from tartarus arc, which doesnt work either because laxus was suffering from magic eating cancer. logically speaking he should be actually weaker than his pre skip self, because of the said cancer.

you have to have a standard on which you are scaling

I don't rank FH Zeref above Jacob...

Jacob goes invisible and claps his hand. FH Zeref is gone.

I don't rank Acnologia above August...

August cancels his magic and beats the dude to a pulp.



My standard of scaling is based on their track record and performance. I take all qualities into account (intelligence, strategy, power, physical vs. magical, speed, durability, and disadvantages vs. advantages).

but those same hands did nothing to sting, the weaker version of the guy who was getting wrecked by lacarde.
how much weak did unaware and mindless body is? please show some manga proof.

Well, Laxus got hit at point-blank range with those hands. But yeah, all of the dragon slayers are on Acnologia's tier.

And an unaware and mindless body = limp body.

Common sense proves that it's not hard to hit somebody who isn't in control of their own body.

 

[Lulu87]

lol...laxus wanker..., you guys really.........cant accept that erza already surpassed him.
looking at latest feat...we already know she is top tier along natsu, and may i say natsu is the king and erza is the queen.
oh come on...open your eyes laxus wanker.....stop dreaming.
while laxus as dragon slayer, he cant move ..acnologia in human form....while erza verses acnologia in dragon form....moved and maybe feel a little bit impact by the attack of thousand sword by erza. the feat should be consider show that erza is more powerful than laxus.

 

[Demon Hunter]

lol...laxus wanker..., you guys really.........cant accept that erza already surpassed him.
looking at latest feat...we already know she is top tier along natsu, and may i say natsu is the king and erza is the queen.
oh come on...open your eyes laxus wanker.....stop dreaming.
while laxus as dragon slayer, he cant move ..acnologia in human form....while erza verses acnologia in dragon form....moved and maybe feel a little bit impact by the attack of thousand sword by erza. the feat should be consider show that erza is more powerful than laxus.

eh I think pretty much everyone accepted that.

 

[HybridTheory]

lol...laxus wanker..., you guys really.........cant accept that erza already surpassed him.
looking at latest feat...we already know she is top tier along natsu, and may i say natsu is the king and erza is the queen.
oh come on...open your eyes laxus wanker.....stop dreaming.
while laxus as dragon slayer, he cant move ..acnologia in human form....while erza verses acnologia in dragon form....moved and maybe feel a little bit impact by the attack of thousand sword by erza. the feat should be consider show that erza is more powerful than laxus.

Laxus will have one shotted Ajeel if August wasn't here when Erza will have loosing against Ajeel if Bisca wasn't here

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Laxus will have one shotted Ajeel if August wasn't here when Erza will have loosing against Ajeel if Bisca wasn't here

How do you know that? I no longer trust the words of August who turned out to be the most idiotic and senile spriggan of them all. Besides the magic that he learned, his knowledge and wisdom is nonexistant. Plus it was non-POF Erza that was losing to Ajeel like how non-POF Natsu struggled against Jacob and Gray while POF Natsu one shotted Fairy Heart Zeref. POF Erza's durability is so insane that she fodderizes Laxus who got outdone by an injured base Natsu in the beginning of the fight against Acno.

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

How do you know that? I no longer trust the words of August who turned out to be the most idiotic and senile spriggan of them all. Besides the magic that he learned, his knowledge and wisdom is nonexistant. Plus it was non-POF Erza that was losing to Ajeel like how non-POF Natsu struggled against Jacob and Gray while POF Natsu one shotted Fairy Heart Zeref. POF Erza's durability is so insane that she fodderizes Laxus who got outdone by an injured base Natsu in the beginning of the fight against Acno.

When did natsu struggled against gray. If you are talking about gray vs partial END then it was pretty clear natsu was able to absorb his attacks.
As for this battle, laxus wins this hands down if we are talking no POF involved.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

When did natsu struggled against gray. If you are talking about gray vs partial END then it was pretty clear natsu was able to absorb his attacks.
As for this battle, laxus wins this hands down if we are talking no POF involved.

He struggled to knock Gray out or bring him down with any of his angry attacks. Hence, Natsu was struggling against Gray just like Gray was struggling against Natsu when they were fighting evenly. I gave up trying to remove POF feats from this discussion because POF has become so engrained in the fights of fairy tail characters that not giving Erza access to her POF would probably be a bigger nerf than not letting her use her requip magic

 

[Lulu87]

Laxus will have one shotted Ajeel if August wasn't here when Erza will have loosing against Ajeel if Bisca wasn't here

lol, actually its a fair fight between ajeel and erza, both of them being assist by their team mate,ajeel is the one who got his help first, but he did not take the opportunity to one shotted erza, while erza use the help to one shot her opponent.
we didnt see any prove show that laxus may one shotted ajeel, ajeel said he is not in his full power that time, plus its a sneak attack from laxus, he already prepared the attack while ajeel is not aware of it, he is concentrate his attack on erza n friend that time. do you really think its a fair fight between ajeel and laxus?

 

[Demon Hunter]

lol, actually its a fair fight between ajeel and erza, both of them being assist by thier team mate,ajeel is the first who got his help, but he did take the opportunity to one shotted erza, while erza use the help to one shot her opponent.
we didnt see any prove show that laxus may one shotted ajeel, ajeel said he is not in his full power that time, plus its a sneak attack from laxus, he already prepared the attack while ajeel is not aware of it, he is concentrate his attack on erza n friend that time. do you really think its a fair fight between ajeel and laxus?

it was not a sneak attack.

Ajeel attacked Laxus and the co. and Laxus responded the same way.

Ajeel saw that move coming and was sweating.

 

[Seven777]

lol, actually its a fair fight between ajeel and erza, both of them being assist by their team mate,ajeel is the one who got his help first, but he did not take the opportunity to one shotted erza, while erza use the help to one shot her opponent.
we didnt see any prove show that laxus may one shotted ajeel, ajeel said he is not in his full power that time, plus its a sneak attack from laxus, he already prepared the attack while ajeel is not aware of it, he is concentrate his attack on erza n friend that time. do you really think its a fair fight between ajeel and laxus?

I dont know why you'd bother defending Ajeel at this point, the dude was put down by Elfman and Lisanna, and they werent even that injured afterwards. Honestly it'd be stranger if Laxus didnt oneshot that weakling.

 

[Kay3795]

Sweatdrops & a perturbed countenance isn't absolutely denotative of a particular character losing to another in a manga setting. It's just a popular & effective artistic technique mangakas utilise to depict a possibly tense or worrisome situation. So the fact that Ajeel initially expressed such emotions at the sighting of Laxus' lighting blast is just not good enough reason to extrapolate on the idea of his demise, especially since Mashima subsequently utilised another popular troupe ("hype") of having Ajeel himself dismiss as preposterous the idea of said lighting blast having the effect mentioned earlier.

To still consider Ajeel's demise during that tense situation as certain or true means that you'd also have to consider other characters--that had demonstrated sweatdrops or shown a perturbed countenance--to also be at risk of a similar thing. That's an incredibly HUGE list of characters btw (Anco included)... sure you really wanna do that?

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Now the focus should be on this match-up. Ezra vs Laxus, not copious excuses vs even more excuses. If you want to be objective about this match-up, you can't not consider Erza as the more favourable combatant here. Her EoS feats absolutely blow each & every member of the FT guild, with Natsu as the solo exception, out of the water.

 

[Seven777]

Sweatdrops & a perturbed countenance isn't absolutely denotative of a particular character losing to another in a manga setting. It's just a popular & effective artistic technique mangakas utilise to depict a possibly tense or worrisome situation. So the fact that Ajeel initially expressed such emotions at the sighting of Laxus' lighting blast is just not good enough reason to extrapolate on the idea of his demise, especially since Mashima subsequently utilised another popular troupe ("hype") of having Ajeel himself dismiss as preposterous the idea of said lighting blast having the effect mentioned earlier.

August's opinion>Ajeel's opinion. Even if we were to generously assume Ajeel wasnt being his usual, arrogant self and legitimately thought he couldve survived that attack despite the obvious fear he displayed, August still gets the benefit of the doubt.

To still consider Ajeel's demise during that tense situation as certain or true means that you'd also have to consider other characters--that had demonstrated sweatdrops or shown a perturbed countenance--to also be at risk of a similar thing. That's an incredibly HUGE list of characters btw (Anco included)... sure you really wanna do that?

No we dont, not unless the seat drops on those other characters are followed by another character saying they wouldve died. And not necessarily then either

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Now the focus should be on this match-up. Ezra vs Laxus, not copious excuses vs even more excuses. If you want to be objective about this match-up, you can't not consider Erza as the more favourable combatant here. Her EoS feats absolutely blow each & every member of the FT guild, with Natsu as the solo exception, out of the water.

Haha, "excuses". Taking feats into consideration is an excuse huh? I dont think so. Some people consider Erza's latest feats to be BS, some consider Erza's earlier feats to be a poor representation of her power, as is their prerogative, you dont get to decide who takes what feats as a legitimate representation of Erza's power. So yes, an objective person can indeed not consider Erza as the more favorable combatant.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

August's opinion>Ajeel's opinion. Even if we were to generously assume Ajeel wasnt being his usual, arrogant self and legitimately thought he couldve survived that attack despite the obvious fear he displayed, August still gets the benefit of the doubt.

Why is August's opinion more valid than Ajeel's? August having copy/negation magic doesn't make him wise. He later proved to be the most idiotic spriggan of all due to his retarded suicide move and failure to use his magic in a way that would assure victory for his side by copying the magic of his fellow spriggan. If he couldn't even think to copy dimaria's timestop to get Fairy Heart for Zeref, then I don't see how he should be considered smarter than Ajeel.

 

[Seven777]

Why is August's opinion more valid than Ajeel's? August having copy/negation magic doesn't make him wise. He later proved to be the most idiotic spriggan of all due to his retarded suicide move and failure to use his magic in a way that would assure victory for his side by copying the magic of his fellow spriggan. If he couldn't even think to copy dimaria's timestop to get Fairy Heart for Zeref, then I don't see how he should be considered smarter than Ajeel.

Because August actually experience the attack as he blocked it, Ajeel just watched it come at him.
I've seen you go on about August's PiS before, so im not gonna get into any of that with you.

 

[Kay3795]

August's opinion>Ajeel's opinion. Even if we were to generously assume Ajeel wasnt being his usual, arrogant self and legitimately thought he couldve survived that attack despite the obvious fear he displayed, August still gets the benefit of the doubt.
No we dont, not unless the seat drops on those other characters are followed by another character saying they wouldve died. And not necessarily then either
Haha, "excuses". Taking feats into consideration is an excuse huh? I dont think so. Some people consider Erza's latest feats to be BS, some consider Erza's earlier feats to be a poor representation of her power, as is their prerogative, you dont get to decide who takes what feats as a legitimate representation of Erza's power. So yes, an objective person can indeed not consider Erza as the more favorable combatant.

I'll keep this short. I know you in particular, so I know exactly how you think of this match; but if your want your saying to be represented as objective, you'd have simply aspect that feats are feats (no excuses); & Erza's feats are simply miles better than Laxus (it's non-debatable). Again I've known you for your excuses; you considering Elfman and Lisanna defeating Erza is the height of lame excuses.

 

[Seven777]

I'll keep this short. I know you in particular, so I know exactly how you think of this match; but if your want your saying to be represented as objective, you'd have simply aspect that feats are feats (no excuses); & Erza's feats are simply miles better than Laxus (it's non-debatable). Again I've known you for your excuses; you considering Elfman and Lisanna defeating Erza is the height of lame excuses.

Ha, and i've known you too, you and you're misplaced belief that readers have to interpret certain events in the manga the same way you do. Pure nonsense of course, your comments are just your opinion, just like my comment here is just mine and both are equally meaningless. So you saying that reader "cant not consider Erza as the more favorable combatant" or that its non debatable that "Erza's feats are simply miles better than Laxus'" is wrong,. You dont get to decide anything, because you're just another fan, with another worthless opinion.

Haha, and here you go on again about excuses too, pathetic. Its not exuses dude, its simply taking events of the manga into consideration. And its better than you simply ignoring things like Erza's pathetic performance against Ajeel, or ignoring that the likes of Azuma, Ikaruga and Kyoka or even the Berserkers can overwhelm her in a head on fight.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

And its better than you simply ignoring things like Erza's pathetic performance against Ajeel, or ignoring that the likes of Azuma, Ikaruga and Kyoka or even the Berserkers can overwhelm her in a head on fight.

I agree with what you said about how these are all debatable opinions. However, I don't find those feats to be particularly relevant because those were all at the beginning-middle of the arc, and however BS it may be, characters like Erza, Natsu, and Wendy get more powerful over the course of the arc due to their POF. Wendy who got fodderized by Bluenote in the previous arc is now able to combat Irene's spells. Base Natsu who struggled against Jacob and is weaker than Dimaria and Brandish (whose haxes were shown to work on him) beat Fairy Heart Zeref and made Laxus look like fodder in the beginning of the Acno fight. As nonsensical as it sounds, the Erza that was struggling against Ajeel and the berserkers isn't the same Erza that we are left with at the end of the arc due to the absurd boosts in power that POF gives her. Those earlier feats are a good grasp of her power without POF but with POF her feats (one shotting Irene out of dragon form, stopping an attack from an enraged Natsu, momentarily out-speeding and pushing down Acno) far surpass the feats of Jellal-Laxus tier characters

 

[Seven777]

I agree with what you said about how these are all debatable opinions. However, I don't find those feats to be particularly relevant because those were all at the beginning-middle of the arc, and however BS it may be, characters like Erza, Natsu, and Wendy get more powerful over the course of the arc due to their POF. Wendy who got fodderized by Bluenote in the previous arc is now able to combat Irene's spells. Base Natsu who struggled against Jacob and is weaker than Dimaria and Brandish (whose haxes were shown to work on him) beat Fairy Heart Zeref and made Laxus look like fodder in the beginning of the Acno fight. As nonsensical as it sounds, the Erza that was struggling against Ajeel and the berserkers isn't the same Erza that we are left with at the end of the arc due to the absurd boosts in power that POF gives her. Those earlier feats are a good grasp of her power without POF but with POF her feats (one shotting Irene out of dragon form, stopping an attack from an enraged Natsu, momentarily out-speeding and pushing down Acno) far surpass the feats of Jellal-Laxus tier characters

I'll agree that power levels are incredibly inconsistent this arc. But i dont agree that Erza legitimately grew stronger as a warrior, she just had short bursts of PoF/One Magic power.
Shooting down Acnologia is a Christina tier feat and stopping an attack from END proves she is weak, not strong. Doing it left far greater injuries on her hands, than Gray received on his face when Natsu punched him. Broken bones Erza was some Kyoka tier BS, i guess she mightve meant it literally when she asked Makarov for power.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

I'll agree that power levels are incredibly inconsistent this arc. But i dont agree that Erza legitimately grew stronger as a warrior, she just had short bursts of PoF/One Magic power.
Shooting down Acnologia is a Christina tier feat and stopping an attack from END proves she is weak, not strong. Doing it left far greater injuries on her hands, than Gray received on his face when Natsu punched him. Broken bones Erza was some Kyoka tier BS, i guess she mightve meant it literally when she asked Makarov for power.

Why care that those attacks left injuries on her hand when they didn't inhibit her in any way afterwards? One thing that has been consistent is her ability to fight while being injured. If she could fight after being severely broken by a dragon how can Laxus bring her down, especially when she could use lightning empress armor to decrease the effect of his lightning when he attacks. Let's be honest with ourselves. Erza could have her head chopped off and still be capable of fighting.

Well now that i think about it, Acnologia is immune to magic, not physical objects. So swords and airships doing better than Jellal isnt that strange, even Christina's bullets seemed to cause him actual pain. I guess Acnologia is just a lightweight.

Isn't this similar to Erza vs Ajeel and Laxus vs Ajeel? Laxus would one shot Ajeel easier than Erza could because swords, physical objects and Erza's primary source of power were ineffective against Ajeel while lightning wasn't.