Canon Laxus vs Mystogan

[sharkai]

Same with Laxus, he didn't land and effective hits on mystogan either. They were matched in their fight. I just rewatched the fight.

Laxus' statement is more valid because he judged purely based on power and logic. While others judge based on things like hope, feeling etc; which Laxus considered stupid back then.
Makarov thought freaking Natsu can challenge Laxus LMAO

Except Laxus was casual against Erza. Red pants Erza will 2 or 3 shot Laxus? . Yeah, we saw that against Hades.

Laxus didn't win the round against Mystogan.
Laxus never finished the round against Erza, she left after Laxus casually stopped her angry attack.
Makarov considered only those available to him, and narrowed down to Erza, Natsu and Gray ..he wasn't even confident about them lol. He didn't consider Mystogan because he never shows up.
Yeah, they all slept didn't they? Only Makarov and Laxus can stay awake in his hax. Wonder why?

you gotten emotional.
Yeah that what we got from the manga, that laxus was right. And eveyone else was a loon. Lol

Stop watching the fight, read it please.
There first attack was stalemated. Then mystogan tried the illusion, which laxus laughed off. Then mystogan said laxus was caught in his circle, but mystogan finds out he himself is also stuck.
This was just poor performance on mystogan part

Then mystogan tries to hit him with something. Laxus goes lightening body and gets a clear hit on mystogan. We see HAHH written, which i guess should be mystogan yelling.

Fights end. Laxus won this clear as hell

And its gets worst for mystogan because laxus is a malee mage. Mystogan lost the round of his expertise. Cqc would have gone even more horrifying for mystogan

You also got that part about laxus and erza wrong. Erza left after laxus lightning had no effect on erza.

We dont know laxus slept or not under mystogan spell. Mystogan may have focused the spell on erza. And laxus might have had freed help.

 

[Loke]

Laxus without a doubt. Man didn't even use named spells in that scrap while Mystogan was spamming them. Also no DS magic was used here.

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You know what happens after that block from laxus. Laxus does a magical attack on erza at point blank range. You know what it did to erza, yeah nothing.

Erza grunts from that attack implying it may have had some effect or maybe it was just his strength but either way she didn't deal with it as as casually as he did hers

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[grey matter]

you gotten emotional.
Yeah that what we got from the manga, that laxus was right. And eveyone else was a loon. Lol

Stop watching the fight, read it please.
There first attack was stalemated. Then mystogan tried the illusion, which laxus laughed off. Then mystogan said laxus was caught in his circle, but mystogan finds out he himself is also stuck.
This was just poor performance on mystogan part

Then mystogan tries to hit him with something. Laxus goes lightening body and gets a clear hit on mystogan. We see HAHH written, which i guess should be mystogan yelling.

Fights end. Laxus won this clear as hell

And its gets worst for mystogan because laxus is a malee mage. Mystogan lost the round of his expertise. Cqc would have gone even more horrifying for mystogan

You also got that part about laxus and erza wrong. Erza left after laxus lightning had no effect on erza.

We dont know laxus slept or not under mystogan spell. Mystogan may have focused the spell on erza. And laxus might have had freed help.

Sure, getting baffled is an emotion. You claimed red pants Erza could 2-3 shot Laxus, I've never seen claims like this before lmao.
Yeah dude. There is a difference between being emotional and hopeful, vs making an assessment based on logic alone. Makarov was relying on something as unreliable as POF for Natsu to do the trick

Yea, I read it. Laxus had the edge, you're right here. I don't even disagree about Laxus winning lol, I've always said Laxus would've won this extreme diff

Laxus' lightning did have an effect on Erza, I read that too lol. Again, Laxus was casual and Erza was angry. It was no draw, Laxus was having fun there and she decided to trust on Natsu's POF and left to destroy the orbs

Come on dude, that's straight up reaching there, and you know it. Mystogan casts an AOE spell of sleep that affects everyone (we've seen Makarov stay awake but drowsy) and everyone except Makarov and Laxus, including Erza, are out cold. End of story. The obvious implication here is that nobody except Makarov and Laxus are strong enough to resist his sleep. Mystogan can just put Erza to sleep if he wishes to (she tried to resist, but couldn't).

 

[sharkai]

Laxus without a doubt. Man didn't even use named spells in that scrap while Mystogan was spamming them. Also no DS magic was used here.

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Erza grunts from that attack implying it may have had some effect or maybe it was just his strength but either way she didn't deal with it as as casually as he did hers

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you may be right. though laxus is making as much noise as she is

Sure, getting baffled is an emotion. You claimed red pants Erza could 2-3 shot Laxus, I've never seen claims like this before lmao.
Yeah dude. There is a difference between being emotional and hopeful, vs making an assessment based on logic alone. Makarov was relying on something as unreliable as POF for Natsu to do the trick

Yea, I read it. Laxus had the edge, you're right here. I don't even disagree about Laxus winning lol, I've always said Laxus would've won this extreme diff

Laxus' lightning did have an effect on Erza, I read that too lol. Again, Laxus was casual and Erza was angry. It was no draw, Laxus was having fun there and she decided to trust on Natsu's POF and left to destroy the orbs

Come on dude, that's straight up reaching there, and you know it. Mystogan casts an AOE spell of sleep that affects everyone (we've seen Makarov stay awake but drowsy) and everyone except Makarov and Laxus, including Erza, are out cold. End of story. The obvious implication here is that nobody except Makarov and Laxus are strong enough to resist his sleep. Mystogan can just put Erza to sleep if he wishes to (she tried to resist, but couldn't).

o ok. i can explain the baffling part to you in power thread if you are interested
so you agree, the arc was basically saying laxus was the rational and correct one and everyone else were just being emotional and immature?

why extreme diff? what did mystogan do to achieve that. you think erza is far below laxus. then what feats mystogan had that says he can give laxus extreme diff?
it barely had any effect, laxus made as much noise as erza lol. it was pretty much a draw (look if mishma wanted to show this huge gap, this was the time), atleast more draw than mystogan one. mystogan was also angry, while laxus was laughing his head off. this even worst than erza event.

no its not. we actually dont know what laxus was doing. the arc showed that laxus was just too proud. he did research on mystogan. he had freed. on top of that mystogan tells erza he didnt want her to see his face. and at the end its a sneak attack. pr ts erza could kill alverzec gildarts in a sneak (she has high seducing stats).

 

[Crimson Ice]

Ignoring the obvious portrayal that puts Mystogan above Erza is hilarious. Laxus wins tho.

 

[sharkai]

Ignoring the obvious portrayal that puts Mystogan above Erza is hilarious. Laxus wins tho.

yeah so much portrayal right? i cant seems to find an arc that doesnt keep backing that portrayal, damn man

 

[Ramen]

yeah so much portrayal right? i cant seems to find an arc that doesnt keep backing that portrayal, damn man

Everything up until Alvarez.

 

[sharkai]

Everything up until Alvarez.

yep especially OS arc and edolas arc. damn mystogan and jellal were real boss there

 

[Crimson Ice]

yeah so much portrayal right? i cant seems to find an arc that doesnt keep backing that portrayal, damn man

I can't seem to find the sense in your post. Asking for an arc where Mystogan 'backs it up' is stupid because he barely fought, which is why we use his portrayal.

 

[sharkai]

I can't seems to find the sense in your post. Asking for an arc where Mystogan 'backs it up' is stupid because he barely fought, which is why we use his portrayal.

so tell me about his portrayal. how many time and by whom is this portrayal, you speak of, happens?

 

[Ronin31]

and laughed at the suggestion that Erza could challenge him.

Laxus was arrgant this time and was thinking he was the best of Fairy Tail. Didn't Mystogan told to Laxus that he was blind to see Erza as a weakling ?

And yeah, Laxus and Mystogan only know Erza as a traumatic character. She made resilience and gain power during Paradise Arc, the same way Laxus had DS as hidden power source. Also, Erza survived to 200 lightning strike without lightning empress armor, a thing that Laxus himself was thinking as impossible.
I think you underestimate Erza, like Mystogan said.

 

[Loke]

She only survived the recoil of setting off the larcima, which were explicitly stated to return equal ouput. She could not even handle that one spell of his by herself, she needed the guild.

Honestly Laxus had to waste magic on Thunder Palace for either Erza or Mystogan to even look credible as S-Class when they faced him

 

[Kouichi]

Mystogan is strong. But Laxus should win overall, extreme diff at most. He has better feats in FF arc than Myst. Only voted for Myst since I'm a fanboy myself.

 

[Jko]

That spell required massive prep to use and it required the use of lacrima which is external magic... Natsu said he would get killed tryna take out Thunder Palace (his rival Gray only took out 1). She took two hundred of those things and they are stated to assess the attack of the user and hit back with the same strength. So essentially she got taken out by 200 of her own attacks lol. That's pretty damn impressive. Even Laxus was shocked by the destruction of Thunder Palace to the point he was sweating bullets and stated beforehand that it was not possible to take out lol.

Not seeing how that places Laxus above her...

 

[Loke]

And when was Laxus shown going through tons of prep for that spell? We see him instructing Freed to return to the field then we see him contacting the guild to inform them that Thunder Palace had been activated. There isn't a single scan of him prepping that spell nor is there a noticeable time jump before it's use.

External tools, his magic powered them. Laxus>=Mystogan>Erza. Let's dead this history revisionist now.

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[sharkai]

And when was Laxus shown going through tons of prep for that spell? We see him instructing Freed to return to the field then we see him contacting the guild to inform them that Thunder Palace had been activated. There isn't a single scan of him prepping that spell nor is there a noticeable time jump before it's use.

External tools, his magic powered them. Laxus>=Mystogan>Erza. Let's dead this history revisionist now.

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what was this scan for. a sneak attack. laxus not even in it. who knows what stat he is in.

if you dont remember, laxus was conserving his strength to fight marakrov. so you are saying instead he wasted his mp, on a thing, that was supposed to destroy the entire town. destroying a town is even above gmg laxus tier

 

[Jko]

Yes this why he uses Thunder Palace everytime he fights. He just has 300 Thunder lacrima up his ass at any given point. Totally didn't require prep despite it being his backup plan.

Just bcs it's a spell does not mean it doesn't require prep. Arlock's summon spell required prep, Etherion required prep, R System required prep, Lullaby required prep, and a lot of other spells.

Dude was taxed after a single use of Fairy Law and you think he can supply energy to 300 lacrimas on top of that? Lmao. Thunder Palace took nothing out of him since the Lacrima already had magic in them.

Yes, bcs Laxus > Maka by this point? Lol, let's not bring up a spell that has never been used mid combat as an example of "power".

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what was this scan for. a sneak attack. laxus not even in it. who knows what stat he is in.

if you dont remember, laxus was conserving his strength to fight marakrov. so you are saying instead he wasted his mp, on a thing, that was supposed to destroy the entire town. destroying a town is even above gmg laxus tier

Laxus didn't even want to fight Makarov bcs he knew he was going to get stomped lol.

 

[Loke]

what was this scan for. a sneak attack. laxus not even in it. who knows what stat he is in.

if you dont remember, laxus was conserving his strength to fight marakrov. so you are saying instead he wasted his mp, on a thing, that was supposed to destroy the entire town. destroying a town is even above gmg laxus tier

What does that matter? She came under the effects and was shown attempting to resist. She wasn't powerful enough. Laxus was on the top floor and you'd be hard pressed to argue the one guy in the guild who knows his identity falling to a spell specifically used to protect it

Ok, so Laxus hit up Pikachu to charge his lacrima then. Tell me, who did he get to infuse it with organic link magic ?

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Yes this why he uses Thunder Palace everytime he fights.

This is completely irrelevant.

He just has 300 Thunder lacrima up his ass at any given point. Totally didn't require prep despite it being his backup plan.

There is no evidence Laxus even had a backup plan. This is all conjecture on your part.

Just bcs it's a spell does not mean it doesn't require prep.

Burden of proof is still on you to prove he had any at all.

Arlock's summon spell required prep, Etherion required prep, R System required prep, Lullaby required prep, and a lot of other spells.

All irrelevant to Thunder Palace.

Dude was taxed after a single use of Fairy Law and you think he can supply energy to 300 lacrimas on top of that? Lmao. Thunder Palace took nothing out of him since the Lacrima already had magic in them.

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"Overloaded" implying more than standard. Now where did he get additional lightning from genius?

Yes, bcs Laxus > Maka by this point? Lol, let's not bring up a spell that has never been used mid combat as an example of "power"

I will bring it up considering he expended resources to infuse both his own lightning and organic link magic into the lacrima. This is the first I've heard of Laxus not having used his own magic for the spell but I understand Erza fans have gone plum loco after her recent loss lol

Laxus didn't even want to fight Makarov bcs he knew he was going to get stomped lol.

It's explicitly stated that he intended to. To you humor you though, would you say Erza knew she would get stomped by Laxus then ? I mean it's not like the guy didn't call her weak dead to her face twice.

 

[Axiomus]

Laxus was fighting on Mystogan's level, and Erza's level for that matter, without revealing he was a dragon slayer. It's hard to see how he doesn't win here.

 

[Jko]

What does that matter? She came under the effects and was shown attempting to resist. She wasn't powerful enough. Laxus was on the top floor and you'd be hard pressed to argue the one guy in the guild who knows his identity falling to a spell specifically used to protect it

Ok, so Laxus hit up Pikachu to charge his lacrima then. Tell me, who did he get to infuse it with organic link magic ?

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This is completely irrelevant.

There is no evidence Laxus even had a backup plan. This is all conjecture on your part.

Burden of proof is still on you to prove he had any at all.

All irrelevant to Thunder Palace.

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"Overloaded" implying more than standard. Now where did he get additional lightning from genius?


I will bring it up considering he expended resources to infuse both his own lightning and organic link magic into the lacrima. This is the first I've heard of Laxus not having used his own magic for the spell but I understand Erza fans have gone plum loco after her recent loss lol

It's explicitly stated that he intended to. To you humor you though, would you say Erza knew she would get stomped by Laxus then ? I mean it's not like the guy didn't call her weak dead to her face twice.

It isn't bcs he never uses three hundred lacrimas in the middle of a fight. The fact that you think he can do this at any time is hilarious since it requires three hundred lacrima to do so.

He literally came into Magnolia with a massive prep of Runes lol. Then had multiple plans when one failed. Captured girls -> Thunder Palace -> Fairy Law as the last resort. He had already plan this entire event. You think he was coming up with this stuff on the fly?

Never does it in the middle of a fight. Already had set up a plan before even stepping into magnolia. Needs three hundred lacrima to enact Thunder Palace. None of that sounds like a spell he can use mid combat.

None of that says it's his lightning magic lol. Like I said he barely pulled off Fairy Law yet he is going to supply magic into 300 lacrimas to hit everyone with an attack as strong as their own on top of that...lol. Do you think Laxus can fight the Erza and the entire guild or something???

He was never stated to fill those lacrima with his own magic. So burden of proof that he did is on you. Said lacrima were stated to already be overloaded with lightning magic so they are not being constantly supplied with magic. It is why he wasn't taxed when enacting the spell. Freed also said Laxus was "gathering his magic" so how can he gather magic if he was taxing his own with Thunder Palace. Also what does this have to do with Mystogan's sleep spell? Lol. Again, you are bringing up a spell that required prep to use as it needed three hundred lacrima and was set up before the battle even started.

Yeah, he was totally going to fight Makarov when he caged him the entire fight...he knew Makarov was going to beat his ass. Laxus, the arrogant grandson, calling someone weak is supposed to mean something? This dude thought Ever could actually take Erza . I say Maka can beat his ass bcs Maka has feats to say such lol.

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Laxus was fighting on Mystogan's level, and Erza's level for that matter, without revealing he was a dragon slayer. It's hard to see how he doesn't win here.

Erza vs Laxus and Mystogan vs Laxus were both skirmishes in which neither side left with a scratch mark. And we know at least for Erza (probs for Myst too) that both side weren't using their upper tier magic lol. Don't see how you can gauge how a battle will play out from those battles.