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It's 3 and nothing throws it out the window lol. She used DSeal so she can enchant DS powers into her weapons. Her enchanted weapons are stronger than her non enchanted weapons as enchanting a weapon makes it stronger.
Nothing of a stat buff was ever shown in the fight. DS is only effective on Dragons and DS aren't dragons.
Okay? So it did buff her attack power?
 

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Okay? So it did buff her attack power?
says it's three which says it does nothing then he contradicts it with his own panel 😂

btw, Irene didn't enchant that wood with DS magic lol. she used some other enchant entirely which can transform wood into steel.
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in other words, her AP was boosted IMMENSELY.

she probably cannot cut Laxus without a DS sword or Nakagami.
 

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says it's three which says it does nothing then he contradicts it with his own panel 😂

btw, Irene didn't enchant that wood with DS magic lol. she used some other enchant entirely which can transform wood into steel.
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in other words, her AP was boosted IMMENSELY.

she probably cannot cut Laxus without a DS sword or Nakagami.
IKR, wtf was that LMAO. He said 3, and then went on to say either 1 (improve attack power) or 2 (makes her potent against dragon slayers) 🤔
 

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IKR, wtf was that LMAO. He said 3, and then went on to say either 1 (improve attack power) or 2 (makes her potent against dragon slayers) 🤔
I'll say it's probably the mixture of 1 and 2.

Laxus probably broke Fire DS and DeS swords so I doubt it only makes them more durable :yodawg

her attack power comes from her swords so it's part of her stats.

saying it does literally nothing makes no sense.
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question is, whether or not she can enchant them without Wendy 🤔
 

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I'll say it's probably the mixture of 1 and 2.

Laxus probably broke Fire DS and DeS swords so I doubt it only makes them more durable :yodawg

her attack power comes from her swords so it's part of her stats.

saying it does literally nothing makes no sense.
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question is, whether or not she can enchant them without Wendy 🤔
I too think it's a mix of 1 & 2

I think she has learned to enchant swords without Wendy. She still needs the source tho (like she needs Natsu and Gray for having swords with their powers).

But for dragon seal, she 100% needs Wendy. Or else she is a dragon Slayer at this point (doesn't make sense)
 

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Okay? So it did buff her attack power?
The DSeal didn't buff her stats is what I'm saying. Her enchanted swords however are greater than her regular swords (that aren't special like Nakagami).
says it's three which says it does nothing then he contradicts it with his own panel 😂

btw, Irene didn't enchant that wood with DS magic lol. she used some other enchant entirely which can transform wood into steel.
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in other words, her AP was boosted IMMENSELY.

she probably cannot cut Laxus without a DS sword or Nakagami.
Where does it contradict anything I said? The seal itself does nothing to her stats. Never said anything about the enchanted swords not giving her better offensive capability. I brought up the scan to show enchanted weaponry is stronger than regular weaponry aka the swords.

It wasn't immensely either as Heaven's Wheel was at least equivalent to the enchanted swords lol.

She cut Laxus with regular swords as she cut him up with Heaven's Wheel. He also dodged Lightning Empress as well which means she could cut Laxus up otherwise he would have just blocked it like he did with Kiria.
 

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I reserve judgement on where Mirajane ranks until after I see how she handles Gray.

Lisanna is oneshottable by pretty much everyone in the conversation. Every from Laxus to Mirajane to Elfman to Kyria to Madmole.....they can all oneshot her. She will last pretty much half as long as Cowboy lasted McGregor in yesterday's fight, and that's being generous. Laxus might even kill her on accident if he throws at nuke at Elfman or Mirajane.

Elfman is underrated, but Laxus wouldn't just stalemate Madmole. He would beat up Madmole as badly as Natsu did with FDK Purgatory. Skullion would see that and run away. In fact, I would make the argument that Skullion really only ran away from Elfman and Mirajane because Wraith and Kyria were defeated, so he's already half the reason Skullion fled.
 

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I reserve judgement on where Mirajane ranks until after I see how she handles Gray.

Lisanna is oneshottable by pretty much everyone in the conversation. Every from Laxus to Mirajane to Elfman to Kyria to Madmole.....they can all oneshot her. She will last pretty much half as long as Cowboy lasted McGregor in yesterday's fight, and that's being generous. Laxus might even kill her on accident if he throws at nuke at Elfman or Mirajane.

Elfman is underrated, but Laxus wouldn't just stalemate Madmole. He would beat up Madmole as badly as Natsu did with FDK Purgatory. Skullion would see that and run away. In fact, I would make the argument that Skullion really only ran away from Elfman and Mirajane because Wraith and Kyria were defeated, so he's already half the reason Skullion fled.
Thank God.....common sense
 

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It's 3 and nothing throws it out the window lol. She used DSeal so she can enchant DS powers into her weapons. Her enchanted weapons are stronger than her non enchanted weapons as enchanting a weapon makes it stronger.
Nothing of a stat buff was ever shown in the fight. DS is only effective on Dragons and DS aren't dragons.
Dude, your bias is showing again. Literally enchant is shown as an enhancement. Every version of the magic we’ve seen. It makes no sense that the DS seal does absolutely nothing. If it did she wouldn’t have bothered activating it when being pressed by Kiria and again after Laxus demolished her armor in 1 hit. Which she wasn’t nearly as amused by as you seem to be. So which is it? 1 or 2.

Also, Erza is still in her DS mode at fights end. She didn’t throw any non boosted attacks from the moment she activated it.
 

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Dude, your bias is showing again. Literally enchant is shown as an enhancement. Every version of the magic we’ve seen. It makes no sense that the DS seal does absolutely nothing. If it did she wouldn’t have bothered activating it when being pressed by Kiria and again after Laxus demolished her armor in 1 hit. Which she wasn’t nearly as amused by as you seem to be. So which is it? 1 or 2.

Also, Erza is still in her DS mode at fights end. She didn’t throw any non boosted attacks from the moment she activated it.
Not every enchant is an enhancement, we already know this. That's already wrong as their are multiple enchantments that have nothing to do with buffs or amps. Bodily anomaly enchantment, atmospheric enchantments, personality enchantments, ruins, Dragon slayer magic, ect. None of them have anything to do with amplifying stats. Well it did nothing otherwise it would have been noted as such. She goes from joking around in her garbo armors to getting serious. We already know this as it has already been shown in Kagura and Ikagura fight. Red Pants >>>>>>>>> Garbo armors. Her armors besides Nakagami and Fairy Anradura are useless. Tho it seemed Heaven's Wheel has now surpassed Fairy Armadura as her non garbo armor.

There was no attacks boosted as DSeal doesn't amplify power. Amplified stats or magic are noted in fights. If it wasn't noted then there aren't any amps or buffs. Laxus also admitted he couldn't take down Erza without RL lol.
 
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Not ever enchant is an enhancement, we already know this. That's already wrong as their are multiple enchantments that have nothing to do with buffs or amps. Bodily anomaly enchantment, atmospheric enchantments, personality enchantments, ruins, Dragon slayer magic, ect. None of them have anything to do with amplifying stats. Well it did nothing otherwise it would have been noted as such. She goes from joking around in her garbo armors to getting serious. We already know this as it has already been shown in Kagura and Ikagura fight. Red Pants >>>>>>>>> Garbo armors. Her armors besides Nakagami and Fairy Anradura are useless. Tho it seemed Heaven's Wheel has now surpassed Fairy Armadura as her non garbo armor.

There was no attacks boosted as DSeal doesn't amplify power. Amplified stats or magic are noted in fights. If it wasn't noted then there aren't any amps or buffs. Laxus also admitted he couldn't take down Erza with RL lol.
He doesn't need to admit when he already did it.
 

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The DSeal didn't buff her stats is what I'm saying. Her enchanted swords however are greater than her regular swords (that aren't special like Nakagami).
When I said stats, I didn't mean physical stats only. Attack power is a stat.
Also, we don't know if Dragon Seal improves her physical stats. I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and agree it doesn't

The seal at least improves her attack power:
-in general
-against dragon slayers.
Or else there would be no need to use them.

Laxus clearly saw that as a threat enough to go into red lightning mode, so of course it buffed her, one way or another
 

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When I said stats, I didn't mean physical stats only. Attack power is a stat.
Also, we don't know if Dragon Seal improves her physical stats. I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and agree it doesn't

The seal at least improves her attack power:
-in general
-against dragon slayers.
Or else there would be no need to use them.

Laxus clearly saw that as a threat enough to go into red lightning mode, so of course it buffed her, one way or another
Or she just gets the ability to be able to High Enchant DS magic into her swords lol. I guess you can say since she got enchanted swords that her offense went up, but not by a lot as she has shown that non enchanted blades are just as effective (Heaven's Wheel).

He already admitted to needing it to down her from the get go. He knew she wouldn't go down to anything else.
 

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Or she just gets the ability to be able to High Enchant DS magic into her swords lol. I guess you can say since she got enchanted swords that her offense went up, but not by a lot as she has shown that non enchanted blades are just as effective (Heaven's Wheel).

He already admitted to needing it to down her from the get go. He knew she wouldn't go down to anything else.
The dragon slaying seal gives her the ability to use dragon slaying magic with all of her attacks, and having dragon slaying magic usually offers an increase in power regardless of whether or not it makes you physically stronger. Laxus himself gets stronger when he's using their dragon slaying magic as opposed to when he's not. Also, Erza still had her dragon slaying seal active when she used heavens wheels.
 
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The dragon slaying seal gives her the ability to use dragon slaying magic with all of her attacks, and having dragon slaying magic usually offers an increase in power regardless of whether or not it makes you physically stronger. Laxus himself gets stronger when they're using their dragon slaying magic as opposed to when they're not. Also, Erza still had her dragon slaying seal active when she used heavens wheels.
Not necessarily true as Laxus' Raiko Lightning isn't a DS magic yet it is his most powerful spell.
She still has to enchant her swords with DS magic into them. If not then there's no poont in wasting mp on a high enchant if all her swords already have Dragon Slaying magic. DSeal just gives her the power to enchant DS magic directly into her swords. We know enchanted swords are stronger than non enchanted (regular) swords.

Those swords she threw didn't seem enchanted either as all her enchanted swords were noted.
 

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Not necessarily true as Laxus' Raiko Lightning isn't a DS magic yet it is his most powerful spell.
She still has to enchant her swords with DS magic into them. If not then there's no poont in wasting mp on a high enchant if all her swords already have Dragon Slaying magic. DSeal just gives her the power to enchant DS magic directly into her swords. We know enchanted swords are stronger than non enchanted (regular) swords.

Those swords she threw didn't seem enchanted either as all her enchanted swords were noted.
It's a dragon slaying spell. It's part of his red lightning dragon mode. Laxus even said that the red lightning dragon mode is the same power he used during Alvarez, and the only attack he really threw was imperial red lightning.

When she has a dragon slaying seal, all her weapons and armours get the benefit of having dragon slaying properties. She even used heavens wheel when fighting Mercphobia when she had the dragon slaying seal, and he's a dragon. Her katanas are just extra swords with their own enchantments on top of that.
 

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It's a dragon slaying spell. It's part of his red lightning dragon mode. Laxus even said that the red lightning dragon mode is the same power he used during Alvarez, and the only attack he really threw was imperial red lightning.

When she has a dragon slaying seal, all her weapons and armours get the benefit of having dragon slaying properties. She even used heavens wheel when fighting Mercphobia when she had the dragon slaying seal, and he's a dragon. Her katanas are just extra swords with their own enchantments on top of that.
RL isn't a DS move tho. If it was then he would call it Red Lighting Dragon's *insert named move*. That's like Natsu going LFD but just Lightning Flame without the Dragon part. It also showed that he was using regular lightning magic he inherited from Yuri when he used the move and Yuri is not a DS lol.
That doesn't make sense tho as Wendy said only their magic gets DS attribute.
Swords and armors aren't Erza's magic.... Either way the enchanted swords are the only ones with noteworthy mention and DSeal has never shown to boost anyone's offensive capabilities. The only thing noted was when she enchanted her swords with the power of DS magic.
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She also showed she can harm him with lightning empress as he dodged her attack unlike the time he blocked or straight up tanked Kiria's.
 

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RL isn't a DS move tho. If it was then he would call it Red Lighting Dragon's *insert named move*. That's like Natsu going LFD but just Lightning Flame without the Dragon part. It also showed that he was using regular lightning magic he inherited from Yuri when he used the move and Yuri is not a DS lol.
That doesn't make sense tho as Wendy said only their magic gets DS attribute.
Swords and armors aren't Erza's magic.... Either way the enchanted swords are the only ones with noteworthy mention and DSeal has never shown to boost anyone's offensive capabilities. The only thing noted was when she enchanted her swords with the power of DS magic.
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She also showed she can harm him with lightning empress as he dodged her attack unlike the time he blocked or straight up tanked Kiria's.
Names don't really matter, but if I had to guess Imperial Red Lightning is just the secret art of red lightning dragon mode or something. Either way, Laxus said that red lightning dragon mode was something he discovered during the Alvarez arc, and he only used 1 red lightning attack in that arc, and it was imperial red lightning. Yuri doesn't even have red lightning. Pretty sure the only reason Yuri was mentioned was because he was related to Laxus by blood, and red lightning supposedly gets its power from blood.

Erza's weapons can be argued to be her magic. You can also argue that Blumenblatt is an actual spell. In any case, Erza used it against Mercphobia. She wouldn't have done so if it was going to be 100% ineffective. Erza being able to hurt Laxus isn't something I'm doubting. I'm just saying that dragon slaying seal adds to Erza's overall attack power.
 

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Names don't really matter, but if I had to guess Imperial Red Lightning is just the secret art of red lightning dragon mode or something. Either way, Laxus said that red lightning dragon mode was something he discovered during the Alvarez arc, and he only used 1 red lightning attack in that arc, and it was imperial red lightning. Yuri doesn't even have red lightning. Pretty sure the only reason Yuri was mentioned was because he was related to Laxus by blood, and red lightning supposedly gets its power from blood.

Erza's weapons can be argued to be her magic. You can also argue that Blumenblatt is an actual spell. In any case, Erza used it against Mercphobia. She wouldn't have done so if it was going to be 100% ineffective. Erza being able to hurt Laxus isn't something I'm doubting. I'm just saying that dragon slaying seal adds to Erza's overall attack power.
I meant the lightning magic he was using before RL was referenced to Yuri's lightning magic and not his DS magic. Well this fight was a blunder since Laxus only named DS move besides RL (while he was in RL) was Lightning Dragon's Halberd which doesn't make sense since he was in RLD mode lol.

Eh I'm still iffy on the DSeal being attack boosting enchantment. Wouldn't make sense that Wendy didn't use it in the fight with DEs or gave it to them currently if it boosts their power. I'm going to wait until we get more info to say if it boosts AP or not since the only thing noteworthy were the enchantments on the swords.
 
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