Quarterfinal Laxus vs Zeref

Who wins this QF battle?

  • Laxus

    Votes: 34 39.1%
  • Zeref

    Votes: 53 60.9%

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ya cause he didnt get help from lucy and the guild to beat jacob :cookiehand and couldnt oneshot ajeel with his base mode punch like laxus could have done if august didnt save him. go reread laxus vs wahl i think u miss important details of why laxus struggled if u want i can give the chapter number so u can start reading :gar
Yeah bcs Lucy actually did any significant damage to Jacob... and Makarov's punch didn't even scratch Jacob. He took barely any damage before FDKM.

How about reread the point where Laxus would've died instantly if Wall didn't go retarded and literally charge him with lightning. Laxus RL beat an S12 with no durability feats. Good for him. RL ain't putting down Natsu who took a massive attack from August and Zeref and still stood. His body was able to withstand the force of Igneel's power. Laxus ain't on his level point blank. This entire arc not one S12 Natsu has been in has exhausted him while Laxus was out for the count the entire war by Hades and Wall. Laxus can't keep up.
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if she didnt then makarov and laxus would have been curse like her genius
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go reread my post open ur eyes where did i say that irene was defeated??? parent dragons wouldnt have trouble no diff wendy and erza as much as irene did lol
Mavis was cursed because she used an incomplete Fairy Law smart one. She never improved the spell.

I read it again sorry for the misunderstanding. Also Deus Sema was never stated to be Irene's strongest attack so I don't where you got that. She wasn't even exhausted after it.
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Whoever is saying laxus isnt top tier is foolish

Hes a top 5 ishgar mage.

This is about wether he has the capacity and skill to defeat the darkest wizard ever, and THAT is a big NO.

You can be top tier and not zeref tier at the same time. Dont get the 2 confused
Being the top 5 in Ishgar means nothing. Most of the top 5 in Ishgar wouldn't even be Top 10 in the verse. Top tier means you can compete with best in the verse not in one country or guild. Natsu is the only significant force in Ishgar that could compete with the top tiers.
 

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Yeah bcs Lucy actually did any significant damage to Jacob... and Makarov's punch didn't even scratch Jacob. He took barely any damage before FDKM.

How about reread the point where Laxus would've died instantly if Wall didn't go retarded and literally charge him with lightning. Laxus RL beat an S12 with no durability feats. Good for him. RL ain't putting down Natsu who took a massive attack from August and Zeref and still stood. His body was able to withstand the force of Igneel's power. Laxus ain't on his level point blank. This entire arc not one S12 Natsu has been in has exhausted him while Laxus was out for the count the entire war by Hades and Wall. Laxus can't keep up.
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Mavis was cursed because she used an incomplete Fairy Law smart one. She never improved the spell.

I read it again sorry for the misunderstanding. Also Deus Sema was never stated to be Irene's strongest attack so I don't where you got that. She wasn't even exhausted after it.
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Being the top 5 in Ishgar means nothing. Most of the top 5 in Ishgar wouldn't even be Top 10 in the verse. Top tier means you can compete with best in the verse not in one country or guild. Natsu is the only significant force in Ishgar that could compete with the top tiers.
Stahppp! Even Zeref acknowledged jellal and Laxus strength by assuming both would be the first ones to reach fairy tail before anyone else and was surprised it was grey first.

When you say dumb sh#t, in no way saying it to you personally, like LAXUS ISN'T TOP TIER it gives the people that know zeref is obviously stronger a bad rap.

Laxus is top tier, just not Zeref/Acno/Natsu level and those 3 are an exception
 

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Two things. Laxus might be able to match DF Natsu in power but FDKM is in a whole new league. Zeref was not losing they were fighting equally even though Zeref was pretty much uninterested in the fight.

Laxus received 6 hits from wahl (I counted, you can check if you want), he wasn't badly damaged but at the same time it looked like he couldn't take on another spriggan after that. Other mages (Natsu, Gray, Erza) were doing completely fine after taking on a spriggan and receiving more hits than Laxus did. Even if we took his "sickness" into consideration his durability is average at best.

Well, Ajeel himself said that he would've been fine. That said he lost to elfman and lisanna, so even if Laxus did one shot him I wouldn't be impressed. Fairy law? You do realise Zeref invented that spell right?
Can you direct me to where he said he was uninterested? I looked for a couple minutes and couldn't find it. That said, they didn't fight evenly, Natsu landed hits repeatedly, Zeref hit Natsu precisely once.

His sickness was immediately lethal. Wahl legitimately didn't understand how Laxus was even alive, much less able to fight as smoothly as he was. Furthermore, once he cured the tumors he IMMEDIATELY finished the fight against an opponent immune to most of his magic. The only reason he hasn't been very active since is because of the writing. Team Natsu each get about two real fights, other supporting characters get one or fewer.

Regarding Ajeel's words, I'm going to trust the judgment of August more. I think, if we're being honest, Ajeel would've survived but would've been in bad shape. He did tank Jupiter after all. Also, I'm pretty sure his loss to Elfman and Lisanna is off panel PiS. Erza had difficulty with him and she'd no-difficulty beat the two of them. Mostly I'm judging by the size of the explosion. There are few times larger attacks have been made, and they've belonged to God, August, Natsu, and Acnologia. The fact of the matter is that August didn't trust that Ajeel would be fine on his own because Laxus is a beast. And either the second or third strongest member of Fairy Tail.
 
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Yeah bcs Lucy actually did any significant damage to Jacob and Makarov punch didn't even scratch Jacob.

How about read the where Laxus would've died instantly if Wall didn't go retarded and literally charge him with lightning. Laxus RL beat an S12 with no durability feats. Good for him. RL ain't putting down Natsu who took a massive attack from August and Zeref and still stood. His body was able to withstand the force of Igneel's power. Laxus ain't on his level point blank. This entire arc not one S12 Natsu has been in has exhausted him while Laxus was out for the count the entire war by Hades and Wall. Laxus can't keep up.
ya just like jacob went stupid mode to not use his hax magic to erase natsu but if it wasnt for Lucy that wasnt there nice try buddy.

oh so u read the chapter and actually remember his feats! proud of you :clap. thank u from proving my point that laxus were nerfed in order for wahl to stand a chance. so if natsu had mbp in him and also fight some1 who is immune to his fire he wouldnt struggle to beat that opponent lol nice logic hahaha might as well say that fdkm natsu could have beaten august because he tanked his attack that was heat based and also negate to a certain extent who mest happy and lucy also tanked too :cookiehand. u know that laxus only extended the fight with wahl because he was trying to cure himself or else he would have oneshot him with RL(that only because he was just immune to his regular lighting) the same way natsu used FDKM to oneshot jacob right? unlike natsu laxus wanted to live longer :cookiehand

lol u think laxus cant oneshot nienhart lol u doint think laxus cant blitz jacob who wahl is clearly above them.
 
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Because Laxus's lightning body has been shown to escape binding techniques before? :-_-
Laxus doesn't even use that move as an elusive technique, he mostly uses it to dart around his opponent like he did with Tempesta and Hades, how exactly do you use that to escape paralysis?
This isn't One Piece with Logias and Haki
What do you think lightning body is? It allows Laxus to turn his body into lightning, an intangible form. Zeref's paralysis magic works by wrapping itself around his opponent, restraining their movements and choking them. It seems like basic logic that the ability to assume an intangible form would allow him to escape a magic like this
 

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Yeah bcs Lucy actually did any significant damage to Jacob... and Makarov's punch didn't even scratch Jacob. He took barely any damage before FDKM.

How about reread the point where Laxus would've died instantly if Wall didn't go retarded and literally charge him with lightning. Laxus RL beat an S12 with no durability feats. Good for him. RL ain't putting down Natsu who took a massive attack from August and Zeref and still stood. His body was able to withstand the force of Igneel's power. Laxus ain't on his level point blank. This entire arc not one S12 Natsu has been in has exhausted him while Laxus was out for the count the entire war by Hades and Wall. Laxus can't keep up.
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Mavis was cursed because she used an incomplete Fairy Law smart one. She never improved the spell.

I read it again sorry for the misunderstanding. Also Deus Sema was never stated to be Irene's strongest attack so I don't where you got that. She wasn't even exhausted after it.
that how the spell was improved genius :cookiehand so that no1 would get cursed :cookiearf

cool who said using ur strongest attack mean ur gonna be exhausted. lol a broken bone erza stop that attack and wendy ds magic onehsot her back her human form. sorry but irene really struggle to take 2 non top tier character something that the parent dragon wouldnt have problems with
 

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Stahppp! Even Zeref acknowledged jellal and Laxus strength by assuming both would be the first ones to reach fairy tail before anyone else and was surprised it was grey first.

When you say dumb sh#t, in no way saying it to you personally, like LAXUS ISN'T TOP TIER it gives the people that know zeref is obviously stronger a bad rap.

Laxus is top tier, just not Zeref/Acno/Natsu level and those 3 are an exception
Zeref knew Laxus was the grandson of the guild master and Jellal has vendetta against him so ofc he'd think they'd come after him first. He never referenced strength or he would've mention other members like Erza, or Gild. He just thought they would have it out for him the most bcs Makarov's death, and Jellal's whole vengeance spiel.

Laxus isn't top tier I can name 10 people who can kill him a non PIS battle. Top tier means you are one of the strongest in a verse and Laxus isn't. His feats are only mid tier S12 lvl. August is a top tier in the verse so saying Laxus is a top tier means you think Laxus can take him. Laxus would get murder stomped by August. Laxus isn't top tier.
 

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Zeref knew Laxus was the grandson of the guild master and Jellal has vendetta against him so ofc he'd think they'd come after him first. He never referenced strength or he would've mention other members like Erza, or Gild. He just thought they would have it out for him the most bcs Makarov's death, and Jellal's whole vengeance spiel.

Laxus isn't top tier I can name 10 people who can kill him a non PIS battle. Top tier means you are one of the strongest in a verse and Laxus isn't. His feats are only mid tier S12 lvl. August is a top tier in the verse so saying Laxus is a top tier means you think Laxus can take him. Laxus would get murder stomped by August. Laxus isn't top tier.
lol he also know that both of them are the 2 fastest guys in the verse which mean he could also meant that too so many interpretation. till prove that he consider them top tier. zeref knew that gildartz was fighting august and erza was fighting irene and was defeated :cookiehand
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ya just like jacob went stupid mode to not use his hax magic to erase natsu but if it wasnt for Lucy that wasnt there nice try buddy.

oh so u read the chapter and actually remember his feats! proud of you :clap. thank u from proving my point that laxus were nerfed in order for wahl to stand a chance. so if natsu had mbp in him and also fight some1 who is immune to his fire he wouldnt struggle to beat that opponent lol nice logic hahaha might as well say that fdkm natsu could have beaten august because he tanked his attack that was heat based and also negate to a certain extent who mest happy and lucy also tanked too :cookiehand. u know that laxus only extended the fight with wahl because he was trying to cure himself or else he would have oneshot him with RL(that only because he was just immune to his regular lighting) the same way natsu used FDKM to oneshot jacob right? unlike natsu laxus wanted to live longer :cookiehand

lol u think laxus cant oneshot nienhart lol u doint think laxus cant blitz jacob who wahl is clearly above them
 

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that how the spell was improved genius :cookiehand so that no1 would get cursed :cookiearf

cool who said using ur strongest attack mean ur gonna be exhausted. lol a broken bone erza stop that attack and wendy ds magic onehsot her back her human form. sorry but irene really struggle to take 2 non top tier character something that the parent dragon wouldnt have problems with
Go reread the manga. Mavis used an incompleted version of Fairy Law that doesn't mean she improved it. The spell was already completed. It takes 10 years to master it and she used it before she mastered it.

August struggled to KO Cana. It's called PIS. If the parent Dragons were enemies of the Guild plot would make them lose or suicide. Again where was that stated to be her strongest spell? Usually when a mage uses their strongest spell it's the most taxing spell. Her hand slap had more attack potency then that spell.
 
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Zeref knew Laxus was the grandson of the guild master and Jellal has vendetta against him so ofc he'd think they'd come after him first. He never referenced strength or he would've mention other members like Erza, or Gild. He just thought they would have it out for him the most bcs Makarov's death, and Jellal's whole vengeance spiel.

Laxus isn't top tier I can name 10 people who can kill him a non PIS battle. Top tier means you are one of the strongest in a verse and Laxus isn't. His feats are only mid tier S12 lvl. August is a top tier in the verse so saying Laxus is a top tier means you think Laxus can take him. Laxus would get murder stomped by August. Laxus isn't top tier.
As far as I'm concerned, Top Tier belongs to August and Acnologia. Fairy Heart Zeref was even really unimpressive, losing to PoF with hardly any fight. Meanwhile August auto counters every other character packing enough punch to even hurt him and Acnologia is similarly invincible. Healthy Laxus quickly disposed of Wahl with low difficulty, so he's above mid-spriggan tier. The only ones whose strength is, beyond debate, greater are August and Irene.
 

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lol he also know that both of them are the 2 fastest guys in the verse which mean he could also meant that too so many interpretation. till prove that he consider them top tier. zeref knew that gildartz was fighting august and erza was fighting irene and was defeated :cookiehand
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No they aren't the two fastest. Any Dragon would out speed them by huge margin. Heck Happy is faster than them lol. Zeref never once noted he knew Gild was fighting August, and Irene fought Erza. Also you know he never even said Natsu either. Zeref wasn't referencing strength he only said it bcs they would have it out for him the most. If he knew everything like you said he did, he would've known Laxus was too tired to fight him, and that he was carrying his dead grandfather. He would also known Jellal got curbed by August and was KOed. You're making huge assumptions to push up Laxus and Jellal but nothing Zeref said was about power or hype.
 

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lol he also know that both of them are the 2 fastest guys in the verse which mean he could also meant that too so many interpretation. till prove that he consider them top tier. zeref knew that gildartz was fighting august and erza was fighting irene and was defeated :cookiehand
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Wow are me and you agreeing on something for once? Lol!!!
 

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As far as I'm concerned, Top Tier belongs to August and Acnologia. Fairy Heart Zeref was even really unimpressive, losing to PoF with hardly any fight. Meanwhile August auto counters every other character packing enough punch to even hurt him and Acnologia is similarly invincible. Healthy Laxus quickly disposed of Wahl with low difficulty, so he's above mid-spriggan tier. The only ones whose strength is, beyond debate, greater are August and Irene.
Healthy Laxus versus a competent Wall would mean Laxus would get curbed by Etherion or Wall would've spammed fire balls instead going stupid and letting Laxus hit him with RL. Wall was at disadvantage to as plot was against him. Laxus is only mid tier S12. And FH Zeref would smash August. All he has to do is put his hand in his chest. August knew his strongest spell couldn't even kill Zeref, and that was before FH lol. August and Irene aren't the only ones above Laxus there are a good amount of other characters.
 

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Healthy Laxus versus a competent Wall would mean Laxus would get curbed by Etherion or Wall would've spammed fire balls instead going stupid and letting Laxus hit him with RL. Wall was at disadvantage to as plot was against him. Laxus is only mid tier S12. And FH Zeref would smash August. All he has to do is put his hand in his chest. August knew his strongest spell couldn't even kill Zeref, and that was before FH lol. August and Irene aren't the only ones above Laxus there are a good amount of other characters.
My point was they're the only Spriggan 12 that are obviously stronger. (I think due to DS magic Lexus has an argument against Irene, but I don't think it's enough of one.) The only real mistake Wahl made was giving Laxus a lightning attack which only resulted in him getting punched twice, not much else. Laxus is able to discretely cast Jutsu Shiki mia combat and I don't believe he'd get hit by nor give Wahl enough time to fire Etherion. Wahl's PiS wouldn't have come up in a fight against healthy Laxus because Laxus would be busy beating him to death with cqc and RL. Laxus was straight up winning that fight while filled with tumors. I think you seriously discount just how bad that was for him. Wahl never would've connected with Etherion or any major attacks. Healthy Laxus beats Wahl, a mid-tier Spriggan, low difficulty without PiS.
 

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sorry i hear cqc alot in this forums what does that even mean? 2. he was going toe to toe with an unserious laxus (and laxus till had the upper hand)

lol yes it does u literally saw him crawling to the guild plus he wasnt on his guard just like @Seven777 gave u example are u saying that brandish>august aria>makarov?.

giving zeref feats lol i can give laxus feats if u want to play that game too.

death pillar beat a weaken hades how is that impressive? weaken laxus beat a historia hades. and historia hades>weakened hades that more impressive.

death orb something that a tenrou ultear can dodge? lol
I'll give you the last word as well because it seems neither of us can convince the other.

Even if Natsu was going toe to toe with an unserious Laxus, he still wasn't outclassed by a serious Laxus. Besides, he managed to land the final hit which ultimately took Laxus down.

Aria draining Makarov of his energy was not an example of durability at all. As for Brandish, she used a sword to poke a hole through August. In my opinion, none of these examples are comparable to Larcade's situation.

Death Pillar actually killed a weakened Hades. And again, that was a pre-timeskip feat.

Ultear dodged it because Zeref wasn't able to utilize all his spells at the time. He has always been restricted by PiS or PoF. Not in this tournament though which is why I think he is being severely downplayed.
 

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Go reread the manga. Mavis used an incompleted version of Fairy Law that doesn't mean she improved it. The spell was already completed. It takes 10 years to master it and she used it before she mastered it.

August struggled to KO Cana. It's called PIS. If the parent Dragons were enemies of the Guild plot would make them lose or suicide. Again where was that stated to be her strongest spell? Usually when a mage uses their strongest spell it's the most taxing spell. Her hand slap had more attack potency then that spell.
do u hear ur self?? u just gave me details of how mavis improved the spell :cookiehand she improved an incomplete spell so that effect of spell work affect other users like it did to her :cookiearf google improve if u dont know what it means. ur confusing learning a spell with making a spell better.

lol ur funny because gildartz saved cana from getting killed did u forget that. plus was august serious??? we all know that even bisca woud one-shot zeref if plot demands it. but thats not the point irene struggled to counter wendy enchantment and had to use her dragon form. so tell me whats her strongest spell shown in the manga then??? not really if any1 use their strongest spell from the get go that doesnt mean they will be exhausted. LFD natsu used his stronest spell vs tempesta wasnt exchausted neither was gajeel cana was using it many time to break mavis crystal. so ur saying the hand swipe is her strongest move??
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No they aren't the two fastest. Any Dragon would out speed them by huge margin. Heck Happy is faster than them lol. Zeref never once noted he knew Gild was fighting August, and Irene fought Erza. Also you know he never even said Natsu either. Zeref wasn't referencing strength he only said it bcs they would have it out for him the most. If he knew everything like you said he did, he would've known Laxus was too tired to fight him, and that he was carrying his dead grandfather. He would also known Jellal got curbed by August and was KOed. You're making huge assumptions to push up Laxus and Jellal but nothing Zeref said was about power or hype.
ok u got me here not gonna lie good logic
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I'll give you the last word as well because it seems neither of us can convince the other.

Even if Natsu was going toe to toe with an unserious Laxus, he still wasn't outclassed by a serious Laxus. Besides, he managed to land the final hit which ultimately took Laxus down.

Aria draining Makarov of his energy was not an example of durability at all. As for Brandish, she used a sword to poke a hole through August. In my opinion, none of these examples are comparable to Larcade's situation.

Death Pillar actually killed a weakened Hades. And again, that was a pre-timeskip feat.

Ultear dodged it because Zeref wasn't able to utilize all his spells at the time. He has always been restricted by PiS or PoF. Not in this tournament though which is why I think he is being severely downplayed.
he wasnt outclassed by an serious laxus??? really come on stop with this bro. ya POF natsu able to beat laxus because he had support from gajeel. who saved his ass twice from getting killed.

what u mean lacrade stop kagura sword with 2 fingers. if august was on his guard u wont think that he wouldnt have stop a attack like that? same situation with lacrade he was off guard and wasnt expecting an attack from zeref. cana KO brandish is another example.

i dont know why killing some1 is so much a better feat not killing a L is an L win dead or alive. laxus beat a hades while not being 100%

what u mean?? he use a death orb the same way he use against natsu u can argue and say that he might use a stronger version. and his feats with restriction isnt enough to beat laxus
 

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Come on now mate, you cannot be serious.

It was only explained recently the main reason why Zeref truly fears Acnologia is because Zeref himself knows he will suffer a fate worse than death. While Acnologia cannot kill him due to his immortality, neither can Zeref kill Acnologia due to the gap in their powers, and Acnologia's ability to eat magic. As such, Acnologia can essentially turn Zeref and Mavis into his stress ball/chew toy while he wipes out the rest of humanity. For eternity.


By absorbing FH, it gives Zeref the chance to compete against Acnologia. A fighting chance to defeat him, and avoid the fate he fears so. What good does it do if FH only supplies Zeref with purely unlimited supply of magic power? It would only serve to prolong his suffering. It is because we have seen that this source of magic power granted from FH enables Zeref additional powers and abilities, which actually translates into greater strength, for him to threaten Acnologia's reign. That was what Zeref and his empire was banking on since day one. Otherwise, FH is redundant.
I am serious.

Fairy Heart does not give Zeref the chance to compete against Acnologia. Combined with the Timelapse, it gives him the chance to reverse time.


Never once was it stated that FH increased his attack power. It did, however, give him infinite magical power.


Quite honestly, this whole war has been a lie. Zeref sold it to the Alvarez Empire that they were going to defeat Acnologia with FH. But his true goal was to reset time and live with his brother, Natsu, 400 years ago.

Yes, indeed it did. Killing is an emphatic term, but it should be applied within context as to who it killed. Hades was already out of magic power, and by then was physically obsolete to put up a fight. We have no clue how it would perform against someone ready to thrown down the gauntlet. And I disagree with you to use power scaling, as we are all aware by now how screwed up it is in this series.
"Death Pillar" is just one of many attacks that I named which I think could take Laxus down, knowing his durability. You don't have to agree with me here nor do you have to believe in the method of power scaling. But I honestly don't see how else we can assess fantasy battles without having some sort of benchmark to compare it to. As for how valid power scaling is, it really depends on how you use it.

Again I beg to differ. Base on what was displayed during the exchange, Zeref's attacks were effortlessly intercepted and dispelled by Natsu. We have seen how Laxus can maneuvre his attacks from various angles, ranging from summoning them from external sources such as the skies, or the ground, expelling it from his body, for melee and from a distance, with rapid succession and little to no gestures which implies requiring time to charge or gather energy.

Some of us seem to have preconceived notions regarding the power level amongst the characters. However Laxus is one of the strongest base on both feats and portrayal. In his introduction, he completely resisted Mystogan's sleeping magic, while everyone else succumbed to it. Only Makarov was capable of withstanding it to an extent, but still affected him enough to cause drowsiness. During his fight with Mystogan, Laxus was hit with a spell that took so long to set up that Mystogan needed to use illusions to keep him occupied and buy himself sufficient time to cast it. When Laxus figured this out, he dispelled the illusion and just fired off an equally powerful attack instantly.

Laxus toyed with Erza, who was already strong enough to be a Wizard Saint then, and completely overwhelmed both Natsu and Gajeel in a handicap fight, once he unleashed his dragon slayer magic. Laxus arrogance was what led to his defeat. He was casting ridiculously powerful and costly spells when he never actually needed to. It caused him to wear himself out, and made it even possible, for Natsu to beat him.

However, he's since grown out of this and got rid of his teenage angst. In his fight with Hades, it was clear Mashima has already portrayed his fighting style to improve and became a lot more grounded and sensible in his approach and mentality. Laxus' performance against Hades was certainly more impressive than Makarov's. He was the one who fought Hades, while Gildarts fought his second in command in Bluenote. Laxus was also the one who used his body as the medium for FT in the encounter with Acnologia. While Gildarts remained a bystander throughout.

Despite being suspended in frozen animation for seven years with the rest, Laxus defeated Jura in the GMG. The Jura who was the fifth WS, and favourite pastime is actually dedicating himself to training.


And the same Jura whose fight with Jellal was unconcluded with an ambiguous ending. Who knew with seven years of training, or obliterating dark guilds like Oracion Seis, how much of an improvement would Laxus have over his peers?

In addition, apart from the lightning dragon slayer lacrima in his body, Laxus never received any form of power up from anything. He did not have to unlock his Second Origin to make up for lost time and even the playing field. The same which cannot be said of these guys.




Laxus only gave, but didn't receive any power, aside from one handicap after another. Even other side characters such as Gajeel and Levy acquired shadow dragon slayer magic and second origin release respectively. Laxus obtained magic barrier particles which only cause him sickness and debilitating condition to fight. Doesn't matter though. Laxus is Laxus, so he still survives and win. He was taken out at the beginning because it would make zero sense for Laxus to not beat Mard Geer in Tartaros.

Laxus has came a long way, and matured into one of the strongest and dependable fighters. Not just on Ishgar's side, but the entire series. He has not taken any shortcuts while doing so, his growth rate is steady but constant, and the speed and potential he has blows someone like Jellal out of the water. I do feel Jellal reach the height of his potential far earlier than Laxus did. But from we have seen so far, we have enough reason to believe Laxus will end up the most powerful out of him, Gildarts, Jellal and Jura.

Food for thought, eh?
Effortlessly intercepted and dispelled by Igneel-Powered Natsu is the key difference.

As for the rest of your post, I assure you I read it carefully but I don't know how you want me to respond. Feel sympathy for Laxus? Or acknowledge that he is the single greatest and strongest character of all time?

If you want me to believe...
Laxus was stronger than Mystogan, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Erza, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Makarov and Gildarts, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Jura, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Team Natsu, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Gajeel and Levy, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Jellal, okay.

But how is Laxus stronger than Zeref???

I believe that is what is currently being discussed. Most of the evidence you provided were pre-timeskip feats which are no longer the same in the current arc.
 

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I am serious.

Fairy Heart does not give Zeref the chance to compete against Acnologia. Combined with the Timelapse, it gives him the chance to reverse time.


Never once was it stated that FH increased his attack power. It did, however, give him infinite magical power.


Quite honestly, this whole war has been a lie. Zeref sold it to the Alvarez Empire that they were going to defeat Acnologia with FH. But his true goal was to reset time and live with his brother, Natsu, 400 years ago.



"Death Pillar" is just one of many attacks that I named which I think could take Laxus down, knowing his durability. You don't have to agree with me here nor do you have to believe in the method of power scaling. But I honestly don't see how else we can assess fantasy battles without having some sort of benchmark to compare it to. As for how valid power scaling is, it really depends on how you use it.



Effortlessly intercepted and dispelled by Igneel-Powered Natsu is the key difference.

As for the rest of your post, I assure you I read it carefully but I don't know how you want me to respond. Feel sympathy for Laxus? Or acknowledge that he is the single greatest and strongest character of all time?

If you want me to believe...
Laxus was stronger than Mystogan, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Erza, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Makarov and Gildarts, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Jura, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Team Natsu, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Gajeel and Levy, okay.
Laxus was stronger than Jellal, okay.

But how is Laxus stronger than Zeref???

I believe that is what is currently being discussed. Most of the evidence you provided were pre-timeskip feats which are no longer the same in the current arc.
More magic power means more to translate into attack power. Sure, he was going to use it to reset reality, but before doing so he got a major boost in attack power. His final strike against Natsu was powered by Fairy Heart. There's no reason to believe he'd do otherwise. He has access to an infinite magic battery, of course he'd use it to bolster his own strength. Magic power is directly correlated to attack power. We don't have to prove Laxus is stronger than Zeref, just that his feats, his actions, have demonstrated better strength. The best argument for Zeref is merely that his role in-universe requires him to be the strongest. But that's not a feat. That's not what's being discussed. We need his actual actions that have demonstrated real power, and all we've got are decisively killing a beaten Hades, losing respectable fights against various Natsu forms, and the random spells he used outside combat that weren't particularly well elaborated on.
 

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More magic power means more to translate into attack power. Sure, he was going to use it to reset reality, but before doing so he got a major boost in attack power. His final strike against Natsu was powered by Fairy Heart. There's no reason to believe he'd do otherwise. He has access to an infinite magic battery, of course he'd use it to bolster his own strength. Magic power is directly correlated to attack power. We don't have to prove Laxus is stronger than Zeref, just that his feats, his actions, have demonstrated better strength. The best argument for Zeref is merely that his role in-universe requires him to be the strongest. But that's not a feat. That's not what's being discussed. We need his actual actions that have demonstrated real power, and all we've got are decisively killing a beaten Hades, losing respectable fights against various Natsu forms, and the random spells he used outside combat that weren't particularly well elaborated on.
No, magic power is indirectly correlated to attack power. It increases a mage's overall stats, that I have always believed in. But it is not the same as increasing attack power which is more noticeable in a normal power-up/mode (Igneel's flames, FDKM, etc.). A prime example is Mavis. She is pretty weak despite having a lot of magic power.

If I may ask, in which way has Laxus' feats demonstrated better strength than Zeref's? I'm not asking for panels of Laxus exemplifying immense strength in the past like many users have provided. I'm asking for panels of Laxus showing attacks that could potentially put Zeref down, while keeping his durability in mind.

I'm being pretty lenient here by giving Laxus some credit. If it makes everyone else happy, I'll gladly raise Zeref's difficulty. But to say Laxus wins this without any evidence of his current feats just makes me more inclined to vote for Zeref.

I know for a fact we all agree that Natsu's fight with Zeref was completely unrealistic and fueled by PiS, PoF, etc. Hence, why I discard it. If you ignore it just like me, then this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. But if you're willing to accept that Base Natsu is the strongest in the verse, you cannot say Zeref is fodder. Logically, that just doesn't make any sense.

Zeref, who was the strongest mage in the verse beforehand, was defeated by the strongest mage in the verse currently. Taking everything into account, Zeref should now be ranked as the 2nd strongest mage in the verse, considering this is the only opponent he ever lost to. I see no reason to put him at fodder level because of this.
 
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Can you direct me to where he said he was uninterested? I looked for a couple minutes and couldn't find it. That said, they didn't fight evenly, Natsu landed hits repeatedly, Zeref hit Natsu precisely once.

His sickness was immediately lethal. Wahl legitimately didn't understand how Laxus was even alive, much less able to fight as smoothly as he was. Furthermore, once he cured the tumors he IMMEDIATELY finished the fight against an opponent immune to most of his magic. The only reason he hasn't been very active since is because of the writing. Team Natsu each get about two real fights, other supporting characters get one or fewer.

Regarding Ajeel's words, I'm going to trust the judgment of August more. I think, if we're being honest, Ajeel would've survived but would've been in bad shape. He did tank Jupiter after all. Also, I'm pretty sure his loss to Elfman and Lisanna is off panel PiS. Erza had difficulty with him and she'd no-difficulty beat the two of them. Mostly I'm judging by the size of the explosion. There are few times larger attacks have been made, and they've belonged to God, August, Natsu, and Acnologia. The fact of the matter is that August didn't trust that Ajeel would be fine on his own because Laxus is a beast. And either the second or third strongest member of Fairy Tail.
Zeref wasn't serious. A serious fighter would try to block the opponents attack. Either Zeref was uninterested fighting Natsu or he simply knew the attack wouldn't injure him badly.

I was talking about his durability. Other mages were hit by more powerful spells and yet they were in far better shape than laxus. Having a sickness doesn't really change how durable your body is.

Ajeel was clearly surprised by that attack, he never expected it to be that powerful. I'm not saying that Laxus' nuke was weak, it's just not as powerful as you might think. Yes, if that attack had landed Ajeel would've been badly damage. But it's due to two things: Ajeel was not expecting that level of attack power and Ajeel is a low tier spriggan (probably the weakest).
 
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