Discussion Lets Talk About Godslayers

[MangerDan]

Both they use the power of a god and have an advantage it’s why Sherria was able to beat Dimaria.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Depends on the God Actually. If he is insanely powerful GS will have no effect on him. Sherria needed third origin to beat Dimaria even being a GS. Same way Natsu needed Ignia's boost to beat half merc.
I think what matters is power. I feel like a Dragon can be killed even without being Dragon Slayer if an Mage has enough Physical and Magical power to bypass resistance of dragon scales of a Dragon. Although no one in the series has done so far(Killing a Dragon without being a DS). They just very high resistant to magic.

 

[Axiomus]

Ok so Dragon slayer Magic is to gives mages an advantage against dragons, Demon slaying against Demons, but what about God Slaying magic? Does it necessarily mean they have an advantage against Gods, or does it just mean they take the power and abilities of a God?

As of right now, we've only seen God Slayers be super effective against gods. Chelia was able to dispel portions of Dimaria's chronos takeover. We haven't really seen any of the god slayers transform portions of their bodies into that of a god, but I would not be surprised if they could.

Depends on the God Actually. If he is insanely powerful GS will have no effect on him. Sherria needed third origin to beat Dimaria even being a GS. Same way Natsu needed Ignia's boost to beat half merc.
I think what matters is power. I feel like a Dragon can be killed even without being Dragon Slayer if an Mage has enough Physical and Magical power to bypass resistance of dragon scales of a Dragon. Although no one in the series has done so far(Killing a Dragon without being a DS). They just very high resistant to magic.

It's theoretically possible, but in practice the only things with enough physical strength to break dragon scales seem to be other dragons. Without dragon slaying magic, it would take something even greater than the meteor splitting slash that Erza pulled off to break Irene's dragon scales.

 

[WoWfan]

From what I understand, is that the prefixes to the elements that Godslayers have are suppose to be superior to that of other elements, natural and magical, which allows them to overcome elemental immunity and consumption, and by doing some weird method that you can consume the Godslayers method.

We know that gods exist in the FT world, but to what their history we do not know, and I doubt we are going to get their history in the future as Hiro likes Dragons too much.

 

[Axiomus]

From what I understand, is that the prefixes to the elements that Godslayers have are suppose to be superior to that of other elements, natural and magical, which allows them to overcome elemental immunity and consumption, and by doing some weird method that you can consume the Godslayers method.

We know that gods exist in the FT world, but to what their history we do not know, and I doubt we are going to get their history in the future as Hiro likes Dragons too much.

Godslayer elements aren't really superior though. They just can't be eaten by other slayers without emptying your reserves.

 

[WoWfan]

They are though, that is how they are able to hurt Dragon Slayers who are immune to flames from even dragons who are stronger physically than God Slayers, it is hax base abilities

 

[Axiomus]

They are though, that is how they are able to hurt Dragon Slayers who are immune to flames from even dragons who are stronger physically than God Slayers, it is hax base abilities

Natsu gets way worse burns from Ignia's flames than he did from Zancrow. Slayers aren't completely immune to their elements. They're just super resistant. August was able to use fire dragon slaying magic against Natsu, and that attack still managed to do some damage despite Natsu cancelling most of it. Gray isn't completely immune to damage from ice either.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

They are though, that is how they are able to hurt Dragon Slayers who are immune to flames from even dragons who are stronger physically than God Slayers, it is hax base abilities

They are have high resistance not completely immune to magic.

 

[WoWfan]

Actually they do have immunity, they just have a flames bypasses other immunities. And no, Natsu gets way worst burns than Ignia’s or Zancrow’s burns with his own flames when his temperature was able to effect time. No, Slayers are reaistent to their own elements even their own Magic’s, as proven to not take damage from his own attack sent back at him at greater strength

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

And no, Natsu gets way worst burns than Ignia’s or Zancrow’s burns with his own flames when his temperature was able to effect time.

You got nothing to prove that Natsu arm's burned more under his own flames than ignia's they almost did the same damage. Here Natsu even under effect of DF.

 

[Axiomus]

Actually they do have immunity, they just have a flames bypasses other immunities. And no, Natsu gets way worst burns than Ignia’s or Zancrow’s burns with his own flames when his temperature was able to effect time. No, Slayers are reaistent to their own elements even their own Magic’s, as proven to not take damage from his own attack sent back at him at greater strength

1) Natsu literally burned himself twice as much using Ignia's flames compared to when he fought Zeref.
2) Natsu's own flames is still dragon slaying magic. So this would mean that Natsu's dragon slaying magic is hotter than Zancrow's flames anyways.
3) If Natsu was completely immune to flames, he would not burn himself. August would also not be able to hurt him using his own magic.

 

[WoWfan]

I do since it was Natsu’a flames that reach said temperatures that distorts time. And Zeref with FH is Multi-Continent Level likely higher.

Natsu couldn’t use his arm after his battle with Zeref and said he cannot go that hot again.

He only achieved said heat that broke down the laws of physics, by that it means he is stronger than Zancrow, but any lower he is not until he applies said method to eat his god flames

He is only immune about flames, but when it reaches a certain temperature, it sees to be temperature as laws of physics cease. If Ignia’s flames hurt him, it is either because his flames are hax since it burns anything, or matches Natsu’s ludicrous temperature. We did not see August hit himself with flames and I do not see why not

 

[Axiomus]

I do since it was Natsu’a flames that reach said temperatures that distorts time. And Zeref with FH is Multi-Continent Level likely higher.

Natsu couldn’t use his arm after his battle with Zeref and said he cannot go that hot again.

He only achieved said heat that broke down the laws of physics, by that it means he is stronger than Zancrow, but any lower he is not until he applies said method to eat his god flames

He is only immune about flames, but when it reaches a certain temperature, it sees to be temperature as laws of physics cease. If Ignia’s flames hurt him, it is either because his flames are hax since it burns anything, or matches Natsu’s ludicrous temperature. We did not see August hit himself with flames and I do not see why not

Natsu literally burned himself twice as much using Ignia's flames than his flames of savage emotion, but I digress. It actually doesn't matter. Both Ignia's flames and Natsu's own flames are dragon slaying magic. Both are stronger than Zancrow, which is the main point. Zancrow's god flames is not superior to these dragon slaying flames.

The fact that Natsu can burn himself at all with flames means that Natsu is not totally immune to flames. If a flame is strong enough or hot enough, it can hurt Natsu. August basically KO'd Natsu's group with the nuke he dropped on them, which was a copy of Natsu's dragon slaying magic. Slayers can be hurt by their own elements. They just have a strong resistance to it. Gray can still be hurt by Invel and Ur's ice, and he is a slayer. Gajeel has been cut before by swords. Rogue has been hurt by Gajeel using iron shadow mode.

 

[WoWfan]

On is different than the other as Ignia’s flames are flames that can burn anything where Natsu’s flames whole base emotional level still is restricted to certain physical rules as they cannot burn underwater. Natsu is immune to flames, but not flames that can Bend reality or explicitly bypasses his immunity. KO basically means he knocked them out or killed them. No, even Slayers are immune to their own attacks as Natsu and Silver proved. Gray is only a DIS when he activated his DSI form. Gajeel was cut by a sword that was enhanced with Script magic that basically bypasses his immunity.

 

[Axiomus]

On is different than the other as Ignia’s flames are flames that can burn anything where Natsu’s flames whole base emotional level still is restricted to certain physical rules as they cannot burn underwater. Natsu is immune to flames, but not flames that can Bend reality or explicitly bypasses his immunity. KO basically means he knocked them out or killed them. No, even Slayers are immune to their own attacks as Natsu and Silver proved. Gray is only a DIS when he activated his DSI form. Gajeel was cut by a sword that was enhanced with Script magic that basically bypasses his immunity.

It doesn't matter. The point is that both Natsu's flames of savage emotions and Ignia's flames are dragon slaying magic. These flames are superior to Zancrow's god flames.

Natsu isn't completley immune to flames. He was damaged by August using fire dragon slaying magic on him. August pretty much knocked him out. Gray is a slayer even when he's not demonized. He can use ice-devil slaying magic even when he isn't demonized. He wasn't demonized when he used devil slaying on Ur. Or when he rematched Invel. Yowazu wasn't the only time Gajeel was hurt by a sword. He was also cut when he tried to block Pantherlily's sword.

 

[WoWfan]

It does matter when there are distinct differences between them. You cannot say they are the same just because they are “supposedly” the same. We do not see him damaged by his own flames, since he was not melted or burn, and since he was not even harmed by his own flames with greater power fired back at him. And we did not see him get knocked out since it was cut away to Irene vs Acno. Plus we did not see Lucy get knocked out since she was already awake too. No he is not we do not see him use DSM when he doesn’t show hit tattoo, stop making things up, it is natural to block a sword, that does not mean it would hurt him unless it has some sort of hax we have not seen.

 

[Axiomus]

It does matter when there are distinct differences between them. You cannot say they are the same just because they are “supposedly” the same. We do not see him damaged by his own flames, since he was not melted or burn, and since he was not even harmed by his own flames with greater power fired back at him. And we did not see him get knocked out since it was cut away to Irene vs Acno. Plus we did not see Lucy get knocked out since she was already awake too. No he is not we do not see him use DSM when he doesn’t show hit tattoo, stop making things up, it is natural to block a sword, that does not mean it would hurt him unless it has some sort of hax we have not seen.

It literally does not matter in the slightest. This discussion is about Dragon Slayer flames versus God Slayer flames. Both Ignia's flames and the flames Natsu used against Zeref are dragon slaying flames, and both are far stronger than Zancrow's god slaying flames. Please stay on topic.

We do see Natsu burned by his own flames. The flames of savage emotions that he used against Zeref is Natsu's own flames. If you're talking about August, August knocked out Natsu with that nuke. We know he was knocked out because he had to wake up from on top of Lucy. Also even if Natsu wasn't knocked out, Natsu had more wounds after the nuke than before so the attack still did damage. Natsu was just able to negate most of the nuke (not all of it, by his own admission) and he also shielded Lucy from the blast. Gray absolutely did use devil slaying magic without the tattoo. This is not up for debate. We can clearly see that he was not demonized when he used devil slaying attacks against both Ur and Invel. Pantherlily made Gajeel bleed with his sword. There's no special hax in this sword either. It's just a giant sword that Pantherlily swung around. Actually, it might not even have been magical.

Spoiler: Ice Demon Zero's Longsword used against Ur, without tattoos

Spoiler: Ice Demon Zero's Obliteration Fist used against Invel, without tattoos

Spoiler: Pantherlily makes Gajeel bleed with his sword

 

[WoWfan]

Ignia never fought against Zeref, don’t make things up now. The fact remains is that Zancrow’s flames are prefixed to be stronger than other flames, Only other prefixes flames and even Natsu’s savage flames that warp reality can be stronger. So Lucy is stronger since she did not get knocked out? Good to know your opinion on that. He shielded the others since his body was immune to his own element. How do you know those wounds are not from his previous battles since he was already wounded before? And Natsu’s savage flames are hot enough to warp reality which is logically why his flames burn him. Gray only used Ice Devil slayer once against Ur, and you do not need to demonize to use the tattoo that lets him use DSM. Since it is powered by Lacrima, it is by definition magical, and lily’s Sword is said to cut through iron so that would make Gajeel’s immunity into just high level resistence.

 

[Axiomus]

Ignia never fought against Zeref, don’t make things up now. The fact remains is that Zancrow’s flames are prefixed to be stronger than other flames, Only other prefixes flames and even Natsu’s savage flames that warp reality can be stronger. So Lucy is stronger since she did not get knocked out? Good to know your opinion on that. He shielded the others since his body was immune to his own element. How do you know those wounds are not from his previous battles since he was already wounded before? And Natsu’s savage flames are hot enough to warp reality which is logically why his flames burn him. Gray only used Ice Devil slayer once against Ur, and you do not need to demonize to use the tattoo that lets him use DSM. Since it is powered by Lacrima, it is by definition magical, and lily’s Sword is said to cut through iron so that would make Gajeel’s immunity into just high level resistence.

What the heck are you talking about? Who said Ignia fought Zeref? You are thoroughly confused. Let me try to explain this one last time:

1) We are comparing dragon slaying flames to god slaying flames.
2) Ignia's flames is can burn Natsu's hands. Zancrow's flames can't. Ignia's flames are superior than Zancrow's god flames.
3) Flames of Savage Emotion can also burn Natsu's hands. Zancrow's flames can't. Natsu's own flames are stronger than Zancrow's flames.
4) Both Ignia's flames and Flames of Savage Emotions are dragon slaying flames. Both these dragon slaying flames are superior to Zancrow's god slaying flames.

We don't know whether or not Lucy was knocked out. She could have recovered slightly earlier than Natsu. She also didn't take the attack head on because Natsu shielded her. There's no tattoo when Gray used devil slaying magic against Ur, and there was no tattoo when he used it against Invel either. This is plainly obvious. No tattoos on Gray's arms in either pages I linked. Lily's sword was never confirmed to be powered by lacryma. For all we know, it is just a regular sword. We're talking about Gajeel's resistance to iron. If a sword can cut Gajeel, then Gajeel isn't absolutely immune to iron.

 

[WoWfan]

You did, you said that Ignia’s magic fought against Zeref which is not the same. Ignia’s flames are prefixed to burn anything, not based on natural tolerance, just like with Zancrow’s flames are prefixed to be stronger than Natsu’s flames Tenrou. Because natsu Savage flames reach a ludicrous temperature they can break down the laws of physics which in turn surpass his own immunity. They are only superior because of their prefix or conditions. That means Lucy is stronger by your logic. That is either PIS on Hiro’s part or Hiro forgot to add said details because that is common for spells that are inherited from someone that shows a tattoo. Gray’s hair turned into his DS mode which is a common transformation that he goes through, so yes that is how it works. It is as all weapons are powered by Lacrima, even lowly soldiers have Lacrima weapons. Even Lily stated that his sword can cut through iron, were as regular swords either cannot or have difficult time to. So it turned Gajeel’s immunity to resistence