Yes
Urano metoria > stardress mix > stardress > lucy simple.
However for stardress I see them more like this: aquarius> cancer> scorpio> sagitarius> taurus> leo (because comparing to the attack of the 5 other regulus is not so extraordinary)> virgo> aries> caprico> gemini. By seeing of course their exploit. The gemini dress I still don't know what it is for (transforming humans into animals?).
If you talk about that of the great magic game in my opinion if lucy will have used it alone in the alvaress arc, it will be more powerful than that used in the great magic game. But hey if lucy with gemini in this arc they will be more powerful than lucy alone.
Yeah I’m just laughing at the fact Lucy couldn’t stand upright from a blast that wasn’t directed at her and they’re expecting her to match the likes of madmole.
Yeah I’m just laughing at the fact Lucy couldn’t stand upright from a blast that wasn’t directed at her and they’re expecting her to match the likes of madmole.
false she will have trouble with cana, juvia, freid. She will probably lose to Wendy.
lost against gajeel, laxus, natsu, gray, erza, mirajane, gildarts. If I take these abilities into account, she can defeat the rest of the guild, not Makarov.
As far as I'm concerned, he's no pro Lucy, you're just forgetting about Lucy. Which are: she can invoke 3 spirits from aquarius so it could be elfman vs lucy (with or without stardress) + 3 spirits. I doubt that Elfman can withstand the attack of four individuals.
It has gemini which can invoke other spirits if it turns into lucy so its will be elfman vs lucy + gemilucy + two spirits invoked by lucy and two other by gemini so 6 in all.
If he can resist all that. Finally there remains Urano who always remains the most powerful magic of lucy who managed to defeat a person stronger than gray in the arc oracions seis. I doubt that he can resist a urano multiply by two by gemini.
The fight being off panel fight means absolutely nothing. The intention behind the fight is still there and that's Elfman = Madmole. You guys are trying to sugar coat this but it is an utter stomp in favor of Elfman. Elfman >>> Lucy and his feats (which include off panel fights bcs they are STILL feats) blows Lucy's out the water.
You guys saying we are overhyping Elf when we are just giving an accurate depiction of HIS FEATS. You guys are just downplaying his capabilities bcs YOU can't come to terms with his feats. The narrative says Elfman is this powerful so it's time accept that he is just that powerful. You guys act like Elfman didn't go through a huge amount of training and got fodderize by some scrub post-x791. He is just that powerful so let's stop acting like Elfman is still just a mid tier in the FT guild.
The fight being off panel fight means absolutely nothing. The intention behind the fight is still there and that's Elfman = Madmole. You guys are trying to sugar coat this but it is an utter stomp in favor of Elfman. Elfman >>> Lucy and his feats (which include off panel fights bcs they are STILL feats) blows Lucy's out the water.
You guys saying we are overhyping Elf when we are just giving an accurate depiction of HIS FEATS. You guys are just downplaying his capabilities bcs YOU can't come to terms with his feats. The narrative says Elfman is this powerful so it's time accept that he is just that powerful. You guys act like Elfman didn't go through a huge amount of training and got fodderize by some scrub post-x791. He is just that powerful so let's stop acting like Elfman is still just a mid tier in the FT guild.
Why she'd have a hard time against cana because of fairy glitter, or her ability to lock lucy in the cards. Juvia can attack from a distance and can do tidal waves so swept away all the lucy spirit that lucy summoned in one go. The only one that can resist juvia is aquarius. For freid with this rune, he can prevent lucy from using these spirits and attack from a distance. Lucy can counter it if she can alter the fried runes like levy. Lucy loses to Wendy because of her dragon strength and belserion mode. Elfman doesn't have any long-range attacks. He's all hand-to-hand. Elfman is not a rock, I doubt he can resist the power of a tidal wave, he will still be stunned by this attack.
Please show me the specific parts of the manga where Elfman is able to do the shit people on here say he can do, I'm not saying Lucy beats Mira and Elfman if they were going all out, because we know for a fact Mira could have gone much harder, and Lucy would have lost quickly for sure, but for Elfman for people to pretend that the 'narrative says he's stronger' without any actual backup doesn't make any sense to me. Please explain where the narritive says he's stronger, surely there should be some actual feats to back that up like Gajeel, Gildarts, Mira, Laxus, Jellal and literally every other top tier non-main character, but we're just meant to accept he's on that level because he he was part of some off-sceen fights where literally any argument could be made as to what actually happened. Literally his only attack is a punch, and Lucy is faster than him, plus can summon up to 3 spirits for backup. This alone means Elfman can't beat her low diff like people are saying, even if Lucy doesn't have the fire-power to finish him off. His only consistent feat is that he has good durability, which makes sense why he could hang in a battle against a guy who also doesn't have any particularly impressive offensive feats in Madmole, and took a low amount of damage from Lions Maiden. If you think Elfman beats Lucy fine, I think that's pretty reasonable, but it's stupid imo for anyone to say that we should just accept Elfman as a high tier character with literally nothing to back it up other than some off-screen fights and good durability.
Elfman's only feat in the series has been high durability. Arguing he wasn't defeated by Madmole doesn't mean much to me given he also doesn't have any offensive feats, and he was with Mira, who would protect him. We also don't know if the attack Lucy hit the Strauss siblings with is her strongest attack, so she could still have something more powerful. Imo, if they fought one vs one, Lucy would probably beat him up as long as her stamina lasts, since she has better speed feats and she would have 3 spirits for backup. If she has a stronger star dress mix for one vs one combat, or she can pull out enough attacks with her spirits she takes it imo, and if not then Elfman just pulls a Homer Simpson, and waits for Lucy to tire herself out before finishing her off like against Bacchus. I don't see any reason Elfman would take this low difficulty, and nor would Lucy.
His offense beat Ajeel, he has the feats to put the likes of Lucy down. Speed is the only thing Lucy could possibly match Elfman in, outside of that she is totally outclassed
Sure he could, but he won't, and if he did it'd be random as hell. She also shouldn't need it, Celestial Spirit magic should be far stronger than Heavenly Body magic.
The fight being off panel fight means absolutely nothing. The intention behind the fight is still there and that's Elfman = Madmole. You guys are trying to sugar coat this but it is an utter stomp in favor of Elfman. Elfman >>> Lucy and his feats (which include off panel fights bcs they are STILL feats) blows Lucy's out the water.
You guys saying we are overhyping Elf when we are just giving an accurate depiction of HIS FEATS. You guys are just downplaying his capabilities bcs YOU can't come to terms with his feats. The narrative says Elfman is this powerful so it's time accept that he is just that powerful. You guys act like Elfman didn't go through a huge amount of training and got fodderize by some scrub post-x791. He is just that powerful so let's stop acting like Elfman is still just a mid tier in the FT guild.
It's fine even if they entirely ignore Elfman's offsceen panel. The fact still remains that casual Elfman tanked Lucy's strongest spell, which drained her completely and reverted her back to base, with near no damage. This is ON SCREEN.
No matter how you look into it, Elfman >>>> Lucy. Be it on screen or off screen. Period.
His offense beat Ajeel, he has the feats to put the likes of Lucy down. Speed is the only thing Lucy could possibly match Elfman in, outside of that she is totally outclassed
Lucy surpasses Elfman in speed and has higher intelligence and versatility, and her actual offensive feats are higher. The only thing Elfman has shown to be better than Lucy is good durability, The problem I have with the Ajeel fight is that Elfman is way weaker than him, and yet manages to win, because he has a hard counter to his magic and has Lisanna helping. Not that I actually believe this, but there isn't a reason you couldn't argue Lisaana put in a lot of damage against Ajeel, because there was no time spent on the fight.
It's fine even if they entirely ignore Elfman's offsceen panel. The fact still remains that casual Elfman tanked Lucy's strongest spell, which drained her completely and reverted her back to base, with near no damage. This is ON SCREEN.
No matter how you look into it, Elfman >>>> Lucy. Be it on screen or off screen. Period.
Having high durability doesn't make Elfman >>>> Lucy, it just means he's a tank. Lucy has better feats in all other areas of fighting and Elfman's only saving grace is he is durable. You say casual Elfman as if he went up a gear against Madmole like Mira did against Skullion, but there is nothing to say he did as it was all off screen.
To me if people want to say Elfman is that much stronger than Lucy there is not nearly enough to prove it, and I doubt Elfman will get any fights moving on, so I doubt any one will change any opinions on it.
It's fine even if they entirely ignore Elfman's offsceen panel. The fact still remains that casual Elfman tanked Lucy's strongest spell, which drained her completely and reverted her back to base, with near no damage. This is ON SCREEN.
No matter how you look into it, Elfman >>>> Lucy. Be it on screen or off screen. Period.
Lucy surpasses Elfman in speed and has higher intelligence and versatility, and her actual offensive feats are higher. The only thing Elfman has shown to be better than Lucy is good durability, The problem I have with the Ajeel fight is that Elfman is way weaker than him, and yet manages to win, because he has a hard counter to his magic and has Lisanna helping. Not that I actually believe this, but there isn't a reason you couldn't argue Lisaana put in a lot of damage against Ajeel, because there was no time spent on the fight.
Having high durability doesn't make Elfman >>>> Lucy, it just means he's a tank. Lucy has better feats in all other areas of fighting and Elfman's only saving grace is he is durable. You say casual Elfman as if he went up a gear against Madmole like Mira did against Skullion, but there is nothing to say he did as it was all off screen.
To me if people want to say Elfman is that much stronger than Lucy there is not nearly enough to prove it, and I doubt Elfman will get any fights moving on, so I doubt any one will change any opinions on it.
At the very least, you can't deny his durability on screen. I say he's casual because clearly he and Mira weren't putting up much offence against Lucy, they had no reason to.
Now, for his offence, we have no choice but to use off screen fights, because he doesn't have any on screen offence.
He had enough offence to bring down Ajeel (who tanked Erza's blows), and to injure Madmole (who tanked FDKM Natsu's blows). These speak for his offence, which is FAR more than enough to bring down Lucy. His offence >>> Lucy's as well (she isn't bringing down Ajeel or injuring Madmole, period), not that it matters.
The only thing going on for Lucy is versatility, which doesn't contribute much in this scenario; and maybe speed.
Last time UM was used was in Tartarus. Lucy has gotten different modes since then.
Also, UM doesn't completely drain Lucy (except in the initial usage against Angel), unlike the stardress mix attack does, this is suggestive of the PLs as well
Also I never saw that anyone used his feat against Mira at S class quest. He completely destroyed her. And clearly Mira was on par with Erza at that time.
PS. Elf could use Lizard soul to fight Madmole xd two mega tank
At the very least, you can't deny his durability on screen. I say he's casual because clearly he and Mira weren't putting up much offence against Lucy, they had no reason to.
Now, for his offence, we have no choice but to use off screen fights, because he doesn't have any on screen offence.
He had enough offence to bring down Ajeel (who tanked Erza's blows), and to injure Madmole (who tanked FDKM Natsu's blows). These speak for his offence, which is FAR more than enough to bring down Lucy. His offence >>> Lucy's as well (she isn't bringing down Ajeel or injuring Madmole, period), not that it matters.
The only thing going on for Lucy is versatility, which doesn't contribute much in this scenario; and maybe speed.
Last time UM was used was in Tartarus. Lucy has gotten different modes since then.
Also, UM doesn't completely drain Lucy (except in the initial usage against Angel), unlike the stardress mix attack does, this is suggestive of the PLs as well
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I don't deny his durability, Elfman is a tank for sure, but with the casual thing, he wasn't clearly holding back like Mira was.
I disagree with your take on his offence almost completely though. I don't think he has the power you say he has, to me it's way more likely that off screen Mira dropped a nuke or something which is what caused the damage to the dragon eaters. With Ajeel, as I said he has a hard counter to his magic, and the only way for Ajeel to win is stopped by Lisanna. If Lucy had the same resistance I think she eventually would be able to whittle him down. I think 1 vs 1, Ajeel would beat Elfman, so I think people are downplaying Lisanna's contribution in that regard. Also, it is canon that Elfman struggles against speed, which with the cancer form she has. I think she could come up with a strategy that would at least enable her to do a lot of damage, like have Loke spam his blinding move, and then hit him from range, or something.
That is the problem with off screen fights, it leaves way too much room for interpretation, so people who like Elfman will say he can hit harder then FDK Natsu, but for me who doesn't really care about him, I think that sounds crazy, as he has never been shown to have an attack beyond a regular punch like the one he hit Loke or Madmole with on screen, which didn't do anything to either of them, so for him to be considered as a top fighter, he will need specific feats more than just being a tank, and having off screen fights.
I don't think there is an argument that Elfman >>> Lucy, or the reverse for now, as I think Elfman would struggle to actually hit Lucy, and Lucy would struggle to do enough damage to Elfman to put him down, though as a Lucy fan I would like to think she could have stronger star dress mixes for 1 on 1 fights, as I don't think it's crazy to say Lions Maiden was more suited to area of attack, but there could be a different one like Leo x Taurus which could be a more focused attack (granted this is just a personal theory, and means nothing). My opinion on Elfman probably won't change unless we see him actually doing top tier things on screen.
After thinking about it some more, my mind has been changed, as at first I thought Lucy would take him, but I think you're right about his durability being too much for Lucy to overcome, though imo that is more likely to change in this series than Elfman being such a heavy hitter, so I think Elfman takes it high diff, while taking a lot of damage
The only thing going on for Lucy is versatility, which doesn't contribute much in this scenario; and maybe speed.
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Based on what?
Last time UM was used was in Tartarus. Lucy has gotten different modes since then.
Also, UM doesn't completely drain Lucy (except in the initial usage against Angel), unlike the stardress mix attack does, this is suggestive of the PLs as well
Already hibiki says it as long as nothing says otherwise in the future chapter 100 what sa will always be the truth.
De deux UM uses all the magic of lucy whether in the great magic games or against the tartars. After the attack against Jackal Lucy had difficulty in getting up and had used all his magic (chapter 386).
Maiden didn't use all of Lucy's magic because then Leo was still with Lucy. thirdly at no time is it said that maiden is Lucy's most powerful magic. Always in the fight, Lucy cared more about Mira than Elfman.
If for you elfman's rubustness is enough to be >>> lucy. So I say wendy >>>>>>mary >>>>>>> to all the wizards because she's got her freakin' virus and everybody's out.
