Fantasy Lucy Vs Juvia

[AWater22]

I'm not missing it, I'm denying it. To begin with nothing suggests Water Lock has a complete or incomplete stage, this is something you've invented in your head. Secondly, even if there were two stages, which there aren't, nothing suggests durability improves between them, this is another thing you've just made up. Thirdly, the manga is canon, not the anime. As for how the flood busts water lock, force, like anything else.

Because Lucy is significantly smarter than Juvia, and because she knows how to protect her keys better than Juvia knows how to take them.

What chapter did Juvia control her water?
Juvia didn't control Aquarius' water, Lucy and her did a Unison Raid. It's like saying she controlled Gray's Ice lol.

Because he beat Ajeel. because he matched Madmole. Because he no sold Star Dress Mix. Every single one of these feats craps on everything Lucy and Juvia have done. Elfman is in another league to these two.
She tanked two punches from Gray. Not bad... not enough. And like I said, even if she doesn't get oneshot, Lucy still just finishes her off afterwards.
Juvia doesn't have a water barrier, that's Lucy's spell.
What flood? What are you talking about? And what the hell is the point of walking on Aqua Metria lol? If she's fast enough to jump on top of it she might as well just dodge it completely. But she's not fast enough, so she gets hurt.

It looks exactly like it does. Why were there ripples in the top before lucy broke out and none after. The manga and the anime are both technically by the same person and both are technically canon. The manga doesn't have proof if it is solid or not and the anime does so technically it could go either way. I am just using the anime as a backup for what the manga didn't explain. How would aqua metria's force bust it. Juvia just makes it float to the top.

Lucy doesn't know what Juvia is doing.

In between Juvia used her power to draw Lucy and Juvia together. Not really. In the unison raid Gray boosted Juvia's power with his and she summoned a ton of water, then Juvia boosted gray's power and he froze it all. Same thing with Lucy-Juvia except Lucy boosted Juvia's power.

He beat Ajeel because Lisana saved him for the quicksand and sand beast made him immune to sand. Juvia can definitely beat him by herself because of water body. Madmole immediately retreated.

Lucy lost a lot of power after casting it. Who says Juvia won't be able to fight back?

She didn't say 'Water Barrier' but it doesn't mean she can't use it. She blocked Meldy and historia Keyes' attacks with making water into a sphere around her. She also blocked the spread range of the etherion from affecting them with 'water dome' which has the same shape as water barrier.

Aqua metria makes the ground 'swell and surge like waves'. Juvia can turn herself to water and float on top of it. Plus impact attacks won't affect Juvia because of water body. Juvia is incredibly fast when she turns herself into water.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 22, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 22, 2021 ---

Because she's posting on it. Btw, the scorpioxaquarius mix shows both hands, and again Lucy isn't holding a key.

The only reason Lucy used the Aquarius stardress was because they were underwater. But whatever. If it's earth based, then Juvia can't control it....and Aqua Metria being a town-level attack simply smashes through water lock.

POF doesn't makes a difference here, because the MP required to keep the Spirit King and cast Urano against Jackal was from the stardress. The star dress alone has enough MP to keep the spirit king summoned and cast Urano. Lucy just needs enough MP to requip the stardress. And yes, the Spirit King was relying on Lucy to keep his gate open. That's why he gave her the stardress.

She might have jumped. Anyway, the keys could have been fused into her skin.

Juvia will make the water lock float on top of it.

It makes a lot of difference. Lucy wasn't able to do that again. The star dress at the time had all Aquarius's power combined with Lucy's power. At the momen't it only has a fraction of Aquarius's full power.

 

[Axiomus]

She might have jumped. Anyway, the keys could have been fused into her skin.

Juvia will make the water lock float on top of it.

It makes a lot of difference. Lucy wasn't able to do that again. The star dress at the time had all Aquarius's power combined with Lucy's power. At the momen't it only has a fraction of Aquarius's full power.

What jump? We see the transformation for ScorpioXAquarius too, and it too used no keys. If the keys are fusing inside her skin, it would be impossible for Juvia to rip it from Lucy. But they aren't fused with Lucy's skin in the first place, because Aquarius' physical key is broken....and the tattoo on Lucy's skin isn't, which means it's just a tattoo..

No, she can;t. Lucy can cast Aqua Metria from inside water lock. Not that I believe that if a giant wave of earth came crashing down on waterlock from the outside, that Juvia can avoid damage by making it float to the top. She's just going to get buried.

Lucy was already exhausted by the time she summoned the spirit king. That's why the spirit king gave her Aquarius' star dress. The star dress was what provided Lucy with the MP to keep the spirit king summoned, and cast Urano Metria.

 

[Seven777]

It looks exactly like it does. Why were there ripples in the top before lucy broke out and none after. The manga and the anime are both technically by the same person and both are technically canon. The manga doesn't have proof if it is solid or not and the anime does so technically it could go either way. I am just using the anime as a backup for what the manga didn't explain. How would aqua metria's force bust it. Juvia just makes it float to the top.

Lucy doesn't know what Juvia is doing.

In between Juvia used her power to draw Lucy and Juvia together. Not really. In the unison raid Gray boosted Juvia's power with his and she summoned a ton of water, then Juvia boosted gray's power and he froze it all. Same thing with Lucy-Juvia except Lucy boosted Juvia's power.

He beat Ajeel because Lisana saved him for the quicksand and sand beast made him immune to sand. Juvia can definitely beat him by herself because of water body. Madmole immediately retreated.

Lucy lost a lot of power after casting it. Who says Juvia won't be able to fight back?

She didn't say 'Water Barrier' but it doesn't mean she can't use it. She blocked Meldy and historia Keyes' attacks with making water into a sphere around her. She also blocked the spread range of the etherion from affecting them with 'water dome' which has the same shape as water barrier.

Aqua metria makes the ground 'swell and surge like waves'. Juvia can turn herself to water and float on top of it. Plus impact attacks won't affect Juvia because of water body. Juvia is incredibly fast when she turns herself into water.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 22, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 22, 2021 ---

She might have jumped. Anyway, the keys could have been fused into her skin.

Juvia will make the water lock float on top of it.

It makes a lot of difference. Lucy wasn't able to do that again. The star dress at the time had all Aquarius's power combined with Lucy's power. At the momen't it only has a fraction of Aquarius's full power.

No it doesn't. Water spells have ripples, that's standard fair. And no, they arent. The manga is canon because it's created by Mashima. The anime, especially early anime, is not, everything they add is just filler until the Starry Sky arc, there are dozens of spells in the anime that don't exist in the manga. The manga also does have proof Water Lock's not solid, aka Lucy poking her head out of it
But let's say it is solid, so what? Lucy simply breaks through it with a standard Lucy punch, she doesn't even need Regulas for it, though that's certainly an option. Water Lock is a weak spell, it doesn't have the feats to handle Lucy's basic physical strength, let alone her stardress strength.

She doesn't need to know what Juvia is doing. Her keys are the most precious thing in the world to her, and more importantly she's going to grab them immediately to summon a spirit anyway, because this is a fight, not an ambush. If Juvia has a method of taking Lucy's keys(she doesn't), then Lucy will counter it %100 of the time, because she is both far more intelligent, and far more versatile. It doesn't take a genius to know to protect your keys from someone who can take them, and Lucy might actually be a genius.

No she didn't? She reached out her hand to grab Lucy's. Not a single hint was given that Juvia was controlling Lucy's water, this is purely something you made up.
Beating Ajeel with only Lisanna as backup, is significantly better than anything Lucy or Juvia have done, as is matching Madmole. Juvia beating either Elfman or Ajeel is laughable. By virtue of strength alone, Elfman wins. He could literally just stand there and tank all of Juvia's attacks til she runs out of magic, and it wouldn't even be a high diff fight for him.

Lucy summoned 2 spirits before casting Mix, then summoned two more after, and then a third after that. Lucy was fine.

She did not use any sort of water sphere on Keyes or Melody, and she certainly didn't block etherion with it, what are you talking about?

No she can't? She's never done that in her life.

 

[AWater22]

What jump? We see the transformation for ScorpioXAquarius too, and it too used no keys. If the keys are fusing inside her skin, it would be impossible for Juvia to rip it from Lucy. But they aren't fused with Lucy's skin in the first place, because Aquarius' physical key is broken....and the tattoo on Lucy's skin isn't, which means it's just a tattoo..

No, she can;t. Lucy can cast Aqua Metria from inside water lock. Not that I believe that if a giant wave of earth came crashing down on waterlock from the outside, that Juvia can avoid damage by making it float to the top. She's just going to get buried.

Lucy was already exhausted by the time she summoned the spirit king. That's why the spirit king gave her Aquarius' star dress. The star dress was what provided Lucy with the MP to keep the spirit king summoned, and cast Urano Metria.

Aquarius key is broke but Lucy still has aquarius star dress. Juvia takes it from her belt BEFORE she uses it.

She isn't inside the water lock. She is outside. Juvia is immune to aqua metria because of water body and the fact that she can breathe under water.

That extra MP was only temporary. Plus she didn't have any other spirits summoned at that time. The star dress now has less power than the one before.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 23, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 23, 2021 ---

No it doesn't. Water spells have ripples, that's standard fair. And no, they arent. The manga is canon because it's created by Mashima. The anime, especially early anime, is not, everything they add is just filler until the Starry Sky arc, there are dozens of spells in the anime that don't exist in the manga. The manga also does have proof Water Lock's not solid, aka Lucy poking her head out of it
But let's say it is solid, so what? Lucy simply breaks through it with a standard Lucy punch, she doesn't even need Regulas for it, though that's certainly an option. Water Lock is a weak spell, it doesn't have the feats to handle Lucy's basic physical strength, let alone her stardress strength.

She doesn't need to know what Juvia is doing. Her keys are the most precious thing in the world to her, and more importantly she's going to grab them immediately to summon a spirit anyway, because this is a fight, not an ambush. If Juvia has a method of taking Lucy's keys(she doesn't), then Lucy will counter it %100 of the time, because she is both far more intelligent, and far more versatile. It doesn't take a genius to know to protect your keys from someone who can take them, and Lucy might actually be a genius.

No she didn't? She reached out her hand to grab Lucy's. Not a single hint was given that Juvia was controlling Lucy's water, this is purely something you made up.
Beating Ajeel with only Lisanna as backup, is significantly better than anything Lucy or Juvia have done, as is matching Madmole. Juvia beating either Elfman or Ajeel is laughable. By virtue of strength alone, Elfman wins. He could literally just stand there and tank all of Juvia's attacks til she runs out of magic, and it wouldn't even be a high diff fight for him.

Lucy summoned 2 spirits before casting Mix, then summoned two more after, and then a third after that. Lucy was fine.

She did not use any sort of water sphere on Keyes or Melody, and she certainly didn't block etherion with it, what are you talking about?

No she can't? She's never done that in her life.

How come after Lucy went back in it it didn't have ripples. Go to this link. https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/fairy-tail. That episode was not filler. Then why was it still after Lucy poked her head out. And how come she didn't do it again. We don't know the durability of water lock, but a metal robot wan't able to break it. Juvia kept it still while Gajeel attacked it and defeated it.

How does she know that Juvia would try to get Lucy's keys. She didn't try to hold on to them in the GMG naval battle.

Even if that is true, Juvia was able to control the water in the unison raid. If you say Lucy gave her power to do that, Juvia was able to control the white mage/Touka's water she stole from Merc. Which proves she can control magic water.

Ajeel was only beat because of sand beast. Madmole only fought for a few panels before retreating. Juvia will just drown Elfman while he can't even hurt her because of water body.

She used water to block their attacks. She didn't form a sphere. Most of the Etherion was absorbed by the tower, but the remnant was strong enough to destroy the boat and a lot of wooden structures. Juvia protected them from being destroyed as well. And this was TOH Juvia.

She has. When she was training for GMG, she went to the bottom of the water, then went to the top and was practicing while walking on the water. Even so Juvia can't drown and is immune to impact damage. Juvia is incredibly fast when she turns herself to water.

 

[Axiomus]

Aquarius key is broke but Lucy still has aquarius star dress. Juvia takes it from her belt BEFORE she uses it.

She isn't inside the water lock. She is outside. Juvia is immune to aqua metria because of water body and the fact that she can breathe under water.

That extra MP was only temporary. Plus she didn't have any other spirits summoned at that time. The star dress now has less power than the one before.\

She doesn't need the keys for her stardress. When she's using AquariusXScorpio mix, the tattoo on her hands are not the actual keys. We know this because Aquarius' key is broken, and the tattoo on Lucy's hand is not. The real Aquarius key has spawned somewhere in Gilterna, so Lucy doesn't even have possession of it.

Why would Lucy be outside of waterlock? If Lucy isn't underwater, then she doesn't even need her keys. She just casts Urano. You were just arguing that Aqua Metria is a wave of rock. Either stardress is manipulating water or it's creating a wave of rock. Either way, it's more than sufficient to counter water lock.

No reason the stardress would be weaker. Summoning the Spirit King is the equivalent of keeping 3 spirits summoned Lucy just needs to summon 1 spirit to distract Juvia while casting Urano here.

 

[Seven777]

How come after Lucy went back in it it didn't have ripples. Go to this link. https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/fairy-tail. That episode was not filler. Then why was it still after Lucy poked her head out. And how come she didn't do it again. We don't know the durability of water lock, but a metal robot wan't able to break it. Juvia kept it still while Gajeel attacked it and defeated it.

How does she know that Juvia would try to get Lucy's keys. She didn't try to hold on to them in the GMG naval battle.

Even if that is true, Juvia was able to control the water in the unison raid. If you say Lucy gave her power to do that, Juvia was able to control the white mage/Touka's water she stole from Merc. Which proves she can control magic water.

Ajeel was only beat because of sand beast. Madmole only fought for a few panels before retreating. Juvia will just drown Elfman while he can't even hurt her because of water body.

She used water to block their attacks. She didn't form a sphere. Most of the Etherion was absorbed by the tower, but the remnant was strong enough to destroy the boat and a lot of wooden structures. Juvia protected them from being destroyed as well. And this was TOH Juvia.

She has. When she was training for GMG, she went to the bottom of the water, then went to the top and was practicing while walking on the water. Even so Juvia can't drown and is immune to impact damage. Juvia is incredibly fast when she turns herself to water.

Because water changes shape, and there are ripples. The scenes are different between the manga and the anime, the manga scene is canon, the anime scene is not. As for why she didn't do it again, she ran out of strength and drowned.
What metal robot are you talking about?
Water Lock has no durability feats to compete with current Lucy, so she breaks it, it's really that simple. You not knowing anything only confirms this.

Because she's smarter than Juvia. If Juvia is smart enough to think to take her keys(she isn't, which is why she didn't in both their battles), Lucy is by default smart enough to prevent it. As for Naval Battle, Lucy never had a chance, Minerva can teleport and was leagues upon leagues above Lucy in every category.

No it doesn't, nothing at all suggests she was controlling Lucy's water in the Unison Raid any more than she was controlling Gray's Ice, what she did was simply add more water to Lucy's attack. We already know Juvia can't control Lucy's water, because she didn't in either of their battles, this is confirmed.
As for the white which, that's not Lucy, Juvia is already confirmed unable to control Lucy's. That said, show me Juvia controlling the White Witch's water.

Yep, and even just doing that, Elfman still performed far above either Lucy or Juvia, enough that he soloes both of them. Hell, even no-selling Star Dress mix is above both of them. As for drowning Elfman, he's too big for her. His Ape Soul is far larger than Water Lock. Oh, and Juvia can still be punched in Water Body, check her fight with Gray. Elfman wins, Juvia isn't in his league.

Literally, anyone can just use magic to block an attack lol. If Juvia didn't form a sphere then it is useless against nukes like Star Dress Mix, As for Etherion, stop trying to bullshit me. Juvia used that spell solely to stop them from drowning in the ocean. By the time she used it they had already been hit from the shockwave and thrown into the sea. Her spell didn't block a single thing, nothing.

No she didn't, show me a panel of it.
Not being to drown is irrelevant to Aqua Metria, it's not used to drown people. Juvia is also not immune to impact damage, as seen when Erza and Gray beat her ass.

 

[Itsnever2k]

How does she know that Juvia would try to get Lucy's keys. She didn't try to hold on to them in the GMG naval battle.

She didn't try and take them because she couldn't lol

 

[LuckSlayer]

How do you know her other hand was on the ground? Juvia jjust needs to seperate them before Lucy uses them

That is Lucy's own summoned water because Aqua Metria is earth based. I'm pretty sure there was no earth-water in the scenes that she uses.

The king isn't there on Lucy's power. He leaves when Lucy runs out of power but he doesn't take away Lucy's power. I'm assuming this but you are assuming that as well. Plus Lucy had emotions power, which definitely won't come up in Lucy vs Juvia fight.

I'm sorry. But CSK DID use Lucy's MP to maintain himself on Earthland. The moment she used all her magic KO Jackal, Mard Geer noticed that he was slower and during that same combat it was stated that his power depends on his summoner, meaning that if she runs out of magic (as it happened when she used UM) he wouldn't be able to sustain himself in that realm...

 

[AWater22]

Because water changes shape, and there are ripples. The scenes are different between the manga and the anime, the manga scene is canon, the anime scene is not. As for why she didn't do it again, she ran out of strength and drowned.
What metal robot are you talking about?
Water Lock has no durability feats to compete with current Lucy, so she breaks it, it's really that simple. You not knowing anything only confirms this.

Because she's smarter than Juvia. If Juvia is smart enough to think to take her keys(she isn't, which is why she didn't in both their battles), Lucy is by default smart enough to prevent it. As for Naval Battle, Lucy never had a chance, Minerva can teleport and was leagues upon leagues above Lucy in every category.

No it doesn't, nothing at all suggests she was controlling Lucy's water in the Unison Raid any more than she was controlling Gray's Ice, what she did was simply add more water to Lucy's attack. We already know Juvia can't control Lucy's water, because she didn't in either of their battles, this is confirmed.
As for the white which, that's not Lucy, Juvia is already confirmed unable to control Lucy's. That said, show me Juvia controlling the White Witch's water.

Yep, and even just doing that, Elfman still performed far above either Lucy or Juvia, enough that he soloes both of them. Hell, even no-selling Star Dress mix is above both of them. As for drowning Elfman, he's too big for her. His Ape Soul is far larger than Water Lock. Oh, and Juvia can still be punched in Water Body, check her fight with Gray. Elfman wins, Juvia isn't in his league.

Literally, anyone can just use magic to block an attack lol. If Juvia didn't form a sphere then it is useless against nukes like Star Dress Mix, As for Etherion, stop trying to bullshit me. Juvia used that spell solely to stop them from drowning in the ocean. By the time she used it they had already been hit from the shockwave and thrown into the sea. Her spell didn't block a single thing, nothing.

No she didn't, show me a panel of it.
Not being to drown is irrelevant to Aqua Metria, it's not used to drown people. Juvia is also not immune to impact damage, as seen when Erza and Gray beat her ass.

We don't know if water lock is solid or not. Why would a spell change shape if it isn't going through another stage?
Have you ever tried to punch anything under water??? It is almost impossible to use that much force.

She can't control the water Lucy uses to attack her while she is attacking but she can control the leftover water that Lucy left behind.

That is true but he can't solo them. Too big??? Juvia CRIED enough to flood the entire guild hall. She was able to summon a WHIRLPOOL in the middle of the battlefield. If Juvia gets Elfman underwater she beats him easily. If Juvia used water body in her fight with Gray she would have been frozen solid. Or it is just that she was holding back. Idk Fairy Tail sometimes ignores water body.

Exactly. Juvia can use magic to help nullify SDM. Plus Juvia is able to do exactly what aquarius does and vise versa, and aquarius star dress is the leftover of aquarius's power. Ok have it your way. We don't really know. Even so, that proves water lock is solid because they can walk on water dome, which is a modified water lock.

I took a screenshot but I don't know how to add it. XD. Gray nor Erza didn't bang her against anything. Plus Juvia can avoid the attack by turning herself to water and she could become part of the attack.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 30, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 30, 2021 ---

She doesn't need the keys for her stardress. When she's using AquariusXScorpio mix, the tattoo on her hands are not the actual keys. We know this because Aquarius' key is broken, and the tattoo on Lucy's hand is not. The real Aquarius key has spawned somewhere in Gilterna, so Lucy doesn't even have possession of it.

Why would Lucy be outside of waterlock? If Lucy isn't underwater, then she doesn't even need her keys. She just casts Urano. You were just arguing that Aqua Metria is a wave of rock. Either stardress is manipulating water or it's creating a wave of rock. Either way, it's more than sufficient to counter water lock.

No reason the stardress would be weaker. Summoning the Spirit King is the equivalent of keeping 3 spirits summoned Lucy just needs to summon 1 spirit to distract Juvia while casting Urano here.

Mabye SDM is different.

If the keys were inside water lock she can't get them. She doesn't have enough magic energy to cast UM without Gemini. Even if it does break water lock, (Which is not guaranteed) the keys would be pushed even further from Lucy, and she would be open to be attacked. Who says Juvia can't just re-cast it.

The Spirit King is 1 spirit. It is exactly the same as Lucy always does by summoning Gemini. Plus the king left right when she casted it. The star dress was able to block Jackal's attacks with ease. Why didn't Lucy do that against Mimi? Juvia subconsciously was able to "cover gray's ears" with water. Se can just do the exact same thing and Lucy can't speak. Unlike Mimi Juvia knows about UM,

 

[Seven777]

We don't know if water lock is solid or not. Why would a spell change shape if it isn't going through another stage?
Have you ever tried to punch anything under water??? It is almost impossible to use that much force.

She can't control the water Lucy uses to attack her while she is attacking but she can control the leftover water that Lucy left behind.

That is true but he can't solo them. Too big??? Juvia CRIED enough to flood the entire guild hall. She was able to summon a WHIRLPOOL in the middle of the battlefield. If Juvia gets Elfman underwater she beats him easily. If Juvia used water body in her fight with Gray she would have been frozen solid. Or it is just that she was holding back. Idk Fairy Tail sometimes ignores water body.

Exactly. Juvia can use magic to help nullify SDM. Plus Juvia is able to do exactly what aquarius does and vise versa, and aquarius star dress is the leftover of aquarius's power. Ok have it your way. We don't really know. Even so, that proves water lock is solid because they can walk on water dome, which is a modified water lock.

I took a screenshot but I don't know how to add it. XD. Gray nor Erza didn't bang her against anything. Plus Juvia can avoid the attack by turning herself to water and she could become part of the attack.

If we don't know then by default it is not. You can't just give Water Lock properties it's never shown before like the ability to steal objects and keep them in an "unbreakable" barrier. That's not it's function, that's never been it's function. It's function is to drown people, that's all.
Spells also change shape literally all the time, Natsu's roar will look a certain way in one panel, then look completely different in another, same with literally any spell in the manga including Water Lock.
Have you ever tried to stick your hand in water to grab something? It's easy, very easy, and it will be just as easy for Lucy.

Maybe, but she can't control Lucy's water barrier, which is what I'm talking about.

Maybe, maybe not, Elfman has a better shot at soloing both Juvia and Lucy, than either of them have of beating him 1v1. And yes, too big. Show me a panel of Juvia's biggest spell, simply flooding a building isn't enough, all Elfman would have to do is leave the building.

No she can't, without a barrier SDM's scale would just hit her regardless. Water Dome is not a modified Water Lock.

Yes they did

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628595/8

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628595/9

Erza uses solely physical attacks and she still whooped Juvia's ass effortlessly.

 

[AWater22]

If we don't know then by default it is not. You can't just give Water Lock properties it's never shown before like the ability to steal objects and keep them in an "unbreakable" barrier. That's not it's function, that's never been it's function. It's function is to drown people, that's all.
Spells also change shape literally all the time, Natsu's roar will look a certain way in one panel, then look completely different in another, same with literally any spell in the manga including Water Lock.
Have you ever tried to stick your hand in water to grab something? It's easy, very easy, and it will be just as easy for Lucy.

Maybe, but she can't control Lucy's water barrier, which is what I'm talking about.

Maybe, maybe not, Elfman has a better shot at soloing both Juvia and Lucy, than either of them have of beating him 1v1. And yes, too big. Show me a panel of Juvia's biggest spell, simply flooding a building isn't enough, all Elfman would have to do is leave the building.

No she can't, without a barrier SDM's scale would just hit her regardless. Water Dome is not a modified Water Lock.

Yes they did

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628595/8

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628595/9

Erza uses solely physical attacks and she still whooped Juvia's ass effortlessly.

She can use "Water Dome" to trap the keys then. Lucy can't get inside with her hand if Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally, and Milliana's weight didn't destroy it.

She doesn't have to, she can just go inside it, and attack her. She was able to move very fast like in her panel against Erza and Lucy doesn't have Erza's reaction time.

Again, she can use water dome and fill it with water. I am pretty sure Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally, and Milliana combined are bigger than Elfman.

She can make a barrier. She can make water into a sphere to protect herself. Juvia can mold water. Whatever then, she just uses water dome instead.

 

[Axiomus]

Mabye SDM is different.

If the keys were inside water lock she can't get them. She doesn't have enough magic energy to cast UM without Gemini. Even if it does break water lock, (Which is not guaranteed) the keys would be pushed even further from Lucy, and she would be open to be attacked. Who says Juvia can't just re-cast it.

The Spirit King is 1 spirit. It is exactly the same as Lucy always does by summoning Gemini. Plus the king left right when she casted it. The star dress was able to block Jackal's attacks with ease. Why didn't Lucy do that against Mimi? Juvia subconsciously was able to "cover gray's ears" with water. Se can just do the exact same thing and Lucy can't speak. Unlike Mimi Juvia knows about UM,

Different in what way? And no reason Lucy can't just use a star dress mix.

How does water lock prevent Lucy from just reaching inside and grabbing her keys?

Summoning the spirit king takes the as much effort as summoning 3 other spirits.

 

[Seven777]

She can use "Water Dome" to trap the keys then. Lucy can't get inside with her hand if Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally, and Milliana's weight didn't destroy it.

She doesn't have to, she can just go inside it, and attack her. She was able to move very fast like in her panel against Erza and Lucy doesn't have Erza's reaction time.

Again, she can use water dome and fill it with water. I am pretty sure Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally, and Milliana combined are bigger than Elfman.

She can make a barrier. She can make water into a sphere to protect herself. Juvia can mold water. Whatever then, she just uses water dome instead.

Yes she can. current Lucy could easily crush that level of weight lol, it's not even a challenge. A single strike from Mimi leveled a forest, and Lucy's kick hurt her. Not that Water Dome's durability equates to the weight of all of them anyway, they didn't all smash against Water Dome, they're just sitting inside it. Water Dome's durability is nonexistant, which is why Juvia never uses it for defense. You're trying to headcanon spells into doing things they're not meant to do.

She'd have to come into physical contact with it. Not happening if she's fighting Loke, even Ares could probably stop her lol.

First off, Elfman would smash Water Dome, literally no diff, he wouldn't even need Take Over, he wouldn't even need Beast Arm. Secondly, no, Ape Elfman is bigger than Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally and Milliana combined. Significantly bigger.

No she can't, Juvia has no barrier spells. Water Dome's defensive feats are literally zero, as I told you before. Star Dress Mix tears through it like tissue paper.

 

[AWater22]

Different in what way? And no reason Lucy can't just use a star dress mix.

How does water lock prevent Lucy from just reaching inside and grabbing her keys?

Summoning the spirit king takes the as much effort as summoning 3 other spirits.

Her other hand is not visible in both so we don't know.

Water lock is solid.

How do you know? Lucy broke 1 key to summon 1 spirit king so it should be as much mp as summoning aquarius.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 1, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 1, 2021 ---

Yes she can. current Lucy could easily crush that level of weight lol, it's not even a challenge. A single strike from Mimi leveled a forest, and Lucy's kick hurt her. Not that Water Dome's durability equates to the weight of all of them anyway, they didn't all smash against Water Dome, they're just sitting inside it. Water Dome's durability is nonexistant, which is why Juvia never uses it for defense. You're trying to headcanon spells into doing things they're not meant to do.

She'd have to come into physical contact with it. Not happening if she's fighting Loke, even Ares could probably stop her lol.

First off, Elfman would smash Water Dome, literally no diff, he wouldn't even need Take Over, he wouldn't even need Beast Arm. Secondly, no, Ape Elfman is bigger than Lucy, Juvia, Gray, Sho, Wally and Milliana combined. Significantly bigger.

No she can't, Juvia has no barrier spells. Water Dome's defensive feats are literally zero, as I told you before. Star Dress Mix tears through it like tissue paper.

First of all, Lucy kick didn't hurt her, DOUBLE Lucy kick did and there is no way Lucy is summoning Gemini with her keys taken. Second of all how is lucy supposed to kick something the size of her keys. Even if it does break it would be pushed further away.

She turns into water and zooms around all Lucy's spirits.

You can't punch something when you are underwater. The force would be nullified. He won't be in ape form when water dome is cast. If he does go into ape form inside of it he would just squish himself against it. Even so, how do you know water dome's size can't vary?

Juvia technically has the same exact magic as Aquarius. If Aquarius star dress can do it Juvia should be able to as well. Water dome was able to take all of their weight combined, plus the weight of the boat. Star dress mix is an explosion and explosions don't really work on water.

 

[Seven777]

First of all, Lucy kick didn't hurt her, DOUBLE Lucy kick did and there is no way Lucy is summoning Gemini with her keys taken. Second of all how is lucy supposed to kick something the size of her keys. Even if it does break it would be pushed further away.

She turns into water and zooms around all Lucy's spirits.

You can't punch something when you are underwater. The force would be nullified. He won't be in ape form when water dome is cast. If he does go into ape form inside of it he would just squish himself against it. Even so, how do you know water dome's size can't vary?

Juvia technically has the same exact magic as Aquarius. If Aquarius star dress can do it Juvia should be able to as well. Water dome was able to take all of their weight combined, plus the weight of the boat. Star dress mix is an explosion and explosions don't really work on water.

Spoiler

Fairy Tail: 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 83 :: SorcererWeekly

Lucy's kick hurt her.
Juvia isn't strong enough, fast enough or smart enough to take Lucy's keys. She's fought Lucy 2 times, and failed to do so, she's not managing it now.
Secondly, she doesn't need to kick it, the kick is just an example of her physical strength. All Lucy needs to do is casually reach her hand out and take them, Water Dome will crumble effortlessly, this is not a challenge, Water Dome has no durability feats.

Juvia isn't faster than Loke, in water form or otherwise.

Yes you can, you just have to be strong enough, Elfman is, by a mile.
If Elfman goes Ape Form then Water Dome bursts, immediately, without resistance. It has no durability feats that suggests it could contain someone of Elfman's size or power. As for Water Dome's size, it defaults to whatever is shown.

No she doesn't, Aquarius' magic is celestial spirit magic, Juvia's magic is water magic. It's like saying Romeo and Natsu have the exact same magic lol.
Show me a panel of Water Dome taking the weight of a boat. But let's say it does, so what? That feat is literally so weak that I would have no trouble believing Romeo could bust it. Beginning of the story Fairy Tail literally run around busting buildings on accident, lifting a boat is nothing, Macao could do it.

 

[Axiomus]

Her other hand is not visible in both so we don't know.

Water lock is solid.

How do you know? Lucy broke 1 key to summon 1 spirit king so it should be as much mp as summoning aquarius.r.

Both of Lucy's hands were visible when Lucy used the AquariusXScorpio mix. And Aquarius' key is broken anyways.

Water lock is liquid.

Because Aquarius said so. She though that Lucy was capable of summoning the spirit king because she saw that Lucy could summon 3 spirits.

 

[AWater22]

Spoiler

Fairy Tail: 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 83 :: SorcererWeekly

Lucy's kick hurt her.
Juvia isn't strong enough, fast enough or smart enough to take Lucy's keys. She's fought Lucy 2 times, and failed to do so, she's not managing it now.
Secondly, she doesn't need to kick it, the kick is just an example of her physical strength. All Lucy needs to do is casually reach her hand out and take them, Water Dome will crumble effortlessly, this is not a challenge, Water Dome has no durability feats.

Juvia isn't faster than Loke, in water form or otherwise.

Yes you can, you just have to be strong enough, Elfman is, by a mile.
If Elfman goes Ape Form then Water Dome bursts, immediately, without resistance. It has no durability feats that suggests it could contain someone of Elfman's size or power. As for Water Dome's size, it defaults to whatever is shown.

No she doesn't, Aquarius' magic is celestial spirit magic, Juvia's magic is water magic. It's like saying Romeo and Natsu have the exact same magic lol.
Show me a panel of Water Dome taking the weight of a boat. But let's say it does, so what? That feat is literally so weak that I would have no trouble believing Romeo could bust it. Beginning of the story Fairy Tail literally run around busting buildings on accident, lifting a boat is nothing, Macao could do it.

On the previous chapter pages 16 and 17. Not if Juvia makes them go out of Lucy's reach. Casually? Not while Juvia is attacking her.

She is. Juvia was able to get behind Erza instantly right after she slashed Lisana.

No, water nullifies force by making punches slower and pushing you back. So what Juvia doesn't have to use water dome. She can trap Elfman in a whirlpool. He wasn't able to get out of Ajeel's sand without Lisana to fly him out. He would just sink into the whirlpool and probably drown. Elfman can't hurt Juvia. There is no way for him to win.

Aquarius uses water magic as well. They basically do the exact same thing. Explosions don't really work well on water. I'm not saying it would block SDM. SDM would definitely destroy it but the blast that hits Juvia will be a lot weaker than the original.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 4, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 4, 2021 ---

Both of Lucy's hands were visible when Lucy used the AquariusXScorpio mix. And Aquarius' key is broken anyways.

Water lock is liquid.

Because Aquarius said so. She though that Lucy was capable of summoning the spirit king because she saw that Lucy could summon 3 spirits.

No they were not.

Water lock is solid. If you are going to say that Lucy stuck her head out, the spell was incomplete. If you are going to argue about that, then how did they stand on water dome in TOH, a modified version of water lock.

Aquarius said she could do it because of the bond they shared.

 

[Axiomus]

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 4, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 4, 2021 ---

No they were not.

Water lock is solid. If you are going to say that Lucy stuck her head out, the spell was incomplete. If you are going to argue about that, then how did they stand on water dome in TOH, a modified version of water lock.

Aquarius said she could do it because of the bond they shared.

Yes, they were.

Spoiler

No, it's literally a liquid. The fact that Lucy can swim inside it proves it's a liquid. Water dome is a different spell. And it really doesn't matter. Aqua Metria would simply smashes it open if it's a solid.

No, she said it was because Lucy could summon 3 spirits.

Spoiler

 

[Seven777]

On the previous chapter pages 16 and 17. Not if Juvia makes them go out of Lucy's reach. Casually? Not while Juvia is attacking her.

She is. Juvia was able to get behind Erza instantly right after she slashed Lisana.

No, water nullifies force by making punches slower and pushing you back. So what Juvia doesn't have to use water dome. She can trap Elfman in a whirlpool. He wasn't able to get out of Ajeel's sand without Lisana to fly him out. He would just sink into the whirlpool and probably drown. Elfman can't hurt Juvia. There is no way for him to win.

Aquarius uses water magic as well. They basically do the exact same thing. Explosions don't really work well on water. I'm not saying it would block SDM. SDM would definitely destroy it but the blast that hits Juvia will be a lot weaker than the original.

That's simply not the limit of Lucy's strength, her full strength hurts Mimi, which means Water Lock's nonexistent durability crumbles with ease, Juvia attacking doesn't change that.
Juvia doesn't have the feats to move Lucy's keys out of reach faster than Lucy can snatch them, she doesn't have feats for stealing them in the first place.

So? That was because Erza was slashing Lisanna lol. And even then, she couldn't land a single hit on her.

Water doesn't nullify force, it reduces it. a heavy-weight boxer could punch you in the gut underwater and you'd fall over in pain. Elfman is beyond a heavy weight fighter, far beyond, even in base. Show me a panel of Juvia's whirlpool. Show me Juvia's whirlpool big enough to trap Elfman. Show me Juvia's whirlpool that even reaches knee height. As for Elfman hurting Juvia, he just punches her, or simply waits for her to run out of magic.

So what if Aquarius uses water magic? Romeo uses fire magic, I guess he's basically the same as Natsu, right?
And no, the SDM blast that hit's Juvia won't be a lot weaker, it won't be moderately weaker, it won't even be slightly weaker. It will be exactly as strong as if Juvia didn't defend against it at all, because Juvia's water barrier has zero feats, none, nothing. Stop giving her abilities she doesn't have.

 

[AWater22]

That's simply not the limit of Lucy's strength, her full strength hurts Mimi, which means Water Lock's nonexistent durability crumbles with ease, Juvia attacking doesn't change that.
Juvia doesn't have the feats to move Lucy's keys out of reach faster than Lucy can snatch them, she doesn't have feats for stealing them in the first place.

So? That was because Erza was slashing Lisanna lol. And even then, she couldn't land a single hit on her.

Water doesn't nullify force, it reduces it. a heavy-weight boxer could punch you in the gut underwater and you'd fall over in pain. Elfman is beyond a heavy weight fighter, far beyond, even in base. Show me a panel of Juvia's whirlpool. Show me Juvia's whirlpool big enough to trap Elfman. Show me Juvia's whirlpool that even reaches knee height. As for Elfman hurting Juvia, he just punches her, or simply waits for her to run out of magic.

So what if Aquarius uses water magic? Romeo uses fire magic, I guess he's basically the same as Natsu, right?
And no, the SDM blast that hit's Juvia won't be a lot weaker, it won't be moderately weaker, it won't even be slightly weaker. It will be exactly as strong as if Juvia didn't defend against it at all, because Juvia's water barrier has zero feats, none, nothing. Stop giving her abilities she doesn't have.

That is simply due to the placement of the attack. Mimi wasn't on the ground at that time and Lucy hit her stomach. If Mimi was standing it would have been different. If she steals them, she just attacks Lucy so she doesn't have the time to get her keys back.

Lucy doesn't have Erza's reaction time.

Water makes your punch slower. even a heavyweight boxer would just push the target away with very little damage. Juvai doesn't even need to trap elfman. She could just hit him with water blasts over and over and over and over until Elfman gets defeated. Elfman is not immune to Juvia's magic but Juvia is immune to his.

Romeo should be able to do the exact same abilities as Natsu if he has enough power. (Exept the ones unique to DS magic like eating flames and DF). Natsu can burn something, Romeo can burn something. Fairy tail is not spells. Natsu uses fire dragon iron fist. Romeo can light fire to his fist too. Juvia blocked Meredy attacks with a torrent and blocked Keyes's attacks with a helix. Who said she can't make a sphere? She has used spells in a sphere before.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 10, 2021 ---

Yes, they were.

Spoiler

No, it's literally a liquid. The fact that Lucy can swim inside it proves it's a liquid. Water dome is a different spell. And it really doesn't matter. Aqua Metria would simply smashes it open if it's a solid.

No, she said it was because Lucy could summon 3 spirits.

Spoiler

In the top right panel one hand is visible.

She modifies Water dome so the inside is liquid and the outside is solid. Aqua Metria would Just add to the water inside.

She didn't say CSK=3 spirits? She reassured Lucy that she would be able to do it.