Fantasy Lucy Vs Juvia

[Seven777]

That is simply due to the placement of the attack. Mimi wasn't on the ground at that time and Lucy hit her stomach. If Mimi was standing it would have been different. If she steals them, she just attacks Lucy so she doesn't have the time to get her keys back.

Lucy doesn't have Erza's reaction time.

Water makes your punch slower. even a heavyweight boxer would just push the target away with very little damage. Juvai doesn't even need to trap elfman. She could just hit him with water blasts over and over and over and over until Elfman gets defeated. Elfman is not immune to Juvia's magic but Juvia is immune to his.

Romeo should be able to do the exact same abilities as Natsu if he has enough power. (Exept the ones unique to DS magic like eating flames and DF). Natsu can burn something, Romeo can burn something. Fairy tail is not spells. Natsu uses fire dragon iron fist. Romeo can light fire to his fist too. Juvia blocked Meredy attacks with a torrent and blocked Keyes's attacks with a helix. Who said she can't make a sphere? She has used spells in a sphere before.

Mimi moving from the attack isn't what makes it impressive, Mimi taking damage is. Lucy has the strength to damage her, this is fact.
By that logic Lucy could just attack Juvia so she doesn't have time to steal them(this is what would actually happen btw).

She doesn't need it, she's not low diffing Juvia and Lisanna at the same time lol.

If a regular boxer punched you in the face underwater, your nose would be broken. Water dampens force, but it doesn't come anywhere close to nullifying it.
Elfman doesn't need to be immune to Juvia's water, he is simply so far above her that he tanks it. Juvia is also not immune to impact, see Erza and Gray fights.

Give it up dude. Juvia doesn't have a water barrier spell, this is simply the reality. Stop trying to give her abilities she doesn't have.
As for Romeo. He could be Natsu level and put fire on his fist, it still wouldn't even come close to the power of Demolition Fist, similarily Juvia could wrap some water around herself, sure, it still won't come close to the power of Lucy's Water Barrier. By default, it does nothing to protect her from Star Dress Mix, because she has no feats for it.

 

[AWater22]

Mimi moving from the attack isn't what makes it impressive, Mimi taking damage is. Lucy has the strength to damage her, this is fact.
By that logic Lucy could just attack Juvia so she doesn't have time to steal them(this is what would actually happen btw).

She doesn't need it, she's not low diffing Juvia and Lisanna at the same time lol.

If a regular boxer punched you in the face underwater, your nose would be broken. Water dampens force, but it doesn't come anywhere close to nullifying it.
Elfman doesn't need to be immune to Juvia's water, he is simply so far above her that he tanks it. Juvia is also not immune to impact, see Erza and Gray fights.

Give it up dude. Juvia doesn't have a water barrier spell, this is simply the reality. Stop trying to give her abilities she doesn't have.
As for Romeo. He could be Natsu level and put fire on his fist, it still wouldn't even come close to the power of Demolition Fist, similarily Juvia could wrap some water around herself, sure, it still won't come close to the power of Lucy's Water Barrier. By default, it does nothing to protect her from Star Dress Mix, because she has no feats for it.

Mimi taking damage is due to the attack hitting her stomach. If she was on the ground, she wouldn't have taken damage.
I know she could. I'm saying that it is possible for Juvia to steal Lucy's keys and thus should be taken into account.

I'm just saying Juvia is really fast. She won't be able to attack Juvia if she moves behind Lucy and attacks her.

No, your nose won't be broken. The reason your nose breaks in the first place is because the speed your nose is being pushed back, is a lot faster than the speed your head is being pushed back. In the water. where your punch is slower, you would just be pushed back. Alright, he tanks it. It is not like he can do anything to her. She just attacks until he is defeated. How is he going to be able to hit her against something if he can't even touch her? Gray or Erza didn't hit her against anything in the first place.

If Romeo somehow had Natsu's magic power he could. It's not like Lucy and Juvia have a giant gap in magic power like Romeo and Natsu. Anyways Juvia blocked Meredy and Keyes's attacks she should be able to at least block some of SDM. She could just modify the spell to be a sphere instead of a torrent.

 

[Seven777]

Mimi taking damage is due to the attack hitting her stomach. If she was on the ground, she wouldn't have taken damage.
I know she could. I'm saying that it is possible for Juvia to steal Lucy's keys and thus should be taken into account.

I'm just saying Juvia is really fast. She won't be able to attack Juvia if she moves behind Lucy and attacks her.

No, your nose won't be broken. The reason your nose breaks in the first place is because the speed your nose is being pushed back, is a lot faster than the speed your head is being pushed back. In the water. where your punch is slower, you would just be pushed back. Alright, he tanks it. It is not like he can do anything to her. She just attacks until he is defeated. How is he going to be able to hit her against something if he can't even touch her? Gray or Erza didn't hit her against anything in the first place.

If Romeo somehow had Natsu's magic power he could. It's not like Lucy and Juvia have a giant gap in magic power like Romeo and Natsu. Anyways Juvia blocked Meredy and Keyes's attacks she should be able to at least block some of SDM. She could just modify the spell to be a sphere instead of a torrent.

So? Attacks hit in the stomach don't damage more than attacks hit in the face lol. Being on the ground also makes no difference to damage. Where are you getting all these random rules?
No it shouldn't, because Juvia has fought Lucy 3 times, and hasn't done it once.

Based on what? Her failing to hit Erza? Sorry, but that doesn't make her fast, it just makes her like everyone else.

Yes it would be, the fact that the punch is slower doesn't mean your nose wont be broken. You realize a headbutt from a dolphin underwater could literally kill you, right? Elfman>>>Dolphin, he could literally bench a thousand of them. But let's say we ignore real world physics, in the world of Fairy Tail, fighting underwater makes literally zero difference in a fight. You hit exactly as hard as you always hit, as seen here

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628787/19

Gajeel damages Torafuzar with a punch literally the same as he did on dry land, arguably more so. It makes no difference at all.
Both Gray and Erza hit her with impact, both attacks damage her.

No he couldn't. Jellal has fire magic, never punches anyone with a fire punch, because it's not a spell that he has. By default, Jellal's fire punch is useless.
SDM has too wide range for Juvia to block with those spells. She has no feats of maintaining a sphere with any decent defensive value.

 

[AWater22]

So? Attacks hit in the stomach don't damage more than attacks hit in the face lol. Being on the ground also makes no difference to damage. Where are you getting all these random rules?
No it shouldn't, because Juvia has fought Lucy 3 times, and hasn't done it once.

Based on what? Her failing to hit Erza? Sorry, but that doesn't make her fast, it just makes her like everyone else.

Yes it would be, the fact that the punch is slower doesn't mean your nose wont be broken. You realize a headbutt from a dolphin underwater could literally kill you, right? Elfman>>>Dolphin, he could literally bench a thousand of them. But let's say we ignore real world physics, in the world of Fairy Tail, fighting underwater makes literally zero difference in a fight. You hit exactly as hard as you always hit, as seen here

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628787/19

Gajeel damages Torafuzar with a punch literally the same as he did on dry land, arguably more so. It makes no difference at all.
Both Gray and Erza hit her with impact, both attacks damage her.

No he couldn't. Jellal has fire magic, never punches anyone with a fire punch, because it's not a spell that he has. By default, Jellal's fire punch is useless.
SDM has too wide range for Juvia to block with those spells. She has no feats of maintaining a sphere with any decent defensive value.

Attacks on the stomach can cause internal bleeding like it caused Mimi to spit out. (Idk what she spit out. It is probably stomach acid or just regular spit.) Gravity was helping Lucy. If she was on the ground it would be normal.
It is still a possibility. She did take away her keys the first time. Plus the second time Vidaldus was making Juvia punish Lucy, not end the fight quickly. The third time they were trying to push each other out so stealing Lucy's keys wouldn't help.

She was able to get behind Erza during the time of one slash. How is that not fast???

Ok, let's pretend physics doesn't exist. You are completely ignoring the fact that Elfman can't hurt Juvia. Juvia attacks him until he is defeated. Neither of them hit him with impact. This is proven when Metro tried to crush her. Let's say impact works. How is Elfman supposed to hit her against something if he can't touch her?

Jellal doesn't use primary fire magic. He can if he wants but he prefers to use his primary Heavenly Body magic. I know. That is why she would modify those spells to be a sphere.

 

[Seven777]

Attacks on the stomach can cause internal bleeding like it caused Mimi to spit out. (Idk what she spit out. It is probably stomach acid or just regular spit.) Gravity was helping Lucy. If she was on the ground it would be normal.
It is still a possibility. She did take away her keys the first time. Plus the second time Vidaldus was making Juvia punish Lucy, not end the fight quickly. The third time they were trying to push each other out so stealing Lucy's keys wouldn't help.

She was able to get behind Erza during the time of one slash. How is that not fast???

Ok, let's pretend physics doesn't exist. You are completely ignoring the fact that Elfman can't hurt Juvia. Juvia attacks him until he is defeated. Neither of them hit him with impact. This is proven when Metro tried to crush her. Let's say impact works. How is Elfman supposed to hit her against something if he can't touch her?

Jellal doesn't use primary fire magic. He can if he wants but he prefers to use his primary Heavenly Body magic. I know. That is why she would modify those spells to be a sphere.

And attacks to the head can cause brain damage lol, attacks to the chest can cause heart failure.
Gravity was helping Lucy? She literally had to push Mimi upwards directly against gravity lol. It is significantly easier to punch someone backwards than it is to punch them into the air lmao, like several times easier.
No she didn't, she drowned Lucy the first time. And no Juvia can't do it, she has no feats that suggests she can.

Why would getting behind Erza when she's paying attention to someone else mean anything? Especially when she couldn't even land an attack?

I'm not pretending that, Mashima is pretending that, as shown with Gajeel vs Torafuzar. If you have a problem, take it up with him.
As for how he hits her, the same way Erza hit her, the same way Gray punched her.

Yes, and making barriers isn't Juvia's primary power, because she doesn't have a spell for it. And she can modify any spell she wants into a sphere, it still doesn't prevent even %1 of SDM damage, because she has no feats for it.

 

[AWater22]

And attacks to the head can cause brain damage lol, attacks to the chest can cause heart failure.
Gravity was helping Lucy? She literally had to push Mimi upwards directly against gravity lol. It is significantly easier to punch someone backwards than it is to punch them into the air lmao, like several times easier.
No she didn't, she drowned Lucy the first time. And no Juvia can't do it, she has no feats that suggests she can.

Why would getting behind Erza when she's paying attention to someone else mean anything? Especially when she couldn't even land an attack?

I'm not pretending that, Mashima is pretending that, as shown with Gajeel vs Torafuzar. If you have a problem, take it up with him.
As for how he hits her, the same way Erza hit her, the same way Gray punched her.

Yes, and making barriers isn't Juvia's primary power, because she doesn't have a spell for it. And she can modify any spell she wants into a sphere, it still doesn't prevent even %1 of SDM damage, because she has no feats for it.

The head and the chest have BONES. The stomach doesn't. Most fairy tail characters can lift Mimi. Gravity increased the damage on Mimi because she was pushed against Lucy's food.
She covered Gray's ears. Why can't she do that to Lucy's keys.

SHe did it in the time of one sash.

Alright, that is what I meant.
Erza used water to hit her. If Juvia used water body against Gray she would be frozen and would die. lol. Plus she was holding back against Gray. You still ignored the fact that Metro couldn't crush her.

She blocked Meredy and Keyes's attacks. SHe just modifies them into a sphere. Their power is definitely greater than 1% of SDM.

 

[Seven777]

The head and the chest have BONES. The stomach doesn't. Most fairy tail characters can lift Mimi. Gravity increased the damage on Mimi because she was pushed against Lucy's food.
She covered Gray's ears. Why can't she do that to Lucy's keys.

SHe did it in the time of one sash.

Alright, that is what I meant.
Erza used water to hit her. If Juvia used water body against Gray she would be frozen and would die. lol. Plus she was holding back against Gray. You still ignored the fact that Metro couldn't crush her.

She blocked Meredy and Keyes's attacks. SHe just modifies them into a sphere. Their power is definitely greater than 1% of SDM.

And the stomach has abs. Getting punched in the head is worse than getting punched in the stomach. Gravity doesn't increase damage on Mimi lol, gravity doesn't deal in impact, it doesn't work that fast.
Covering someones ears isn't a feat of stealing or speed. Lucy's keys are far smaller, located behind Lucy and Lucy will be grabbing them first thing in the fight. Juvia has no feats suggesting she could beat Lucy to them, or steal them in the first place. I mean they're not just floating in the air, they're tied to her belt. Juvia has no feats of using her water to separate something tied to someone unless..... you can show me a panel of her doing so?

No she didn't? Actually, Lisanna is the one who did that lol. Should I find her impressive too? Haha.

And I'm going to keep ignoring that fact because it doesn't matter. Gray and Erza hit her with impact, Cheria too actually, Juvia punches herself as well if I recall. which confirms impact can hurt her. Water body is something she has to use voluntarily, which means all Elfman has to do is hit her before Juvia can react and defend with water body, easy. He could also just tank everything she has til she's exhausted, it's not really a big deal either way.

Both Meredy and Keyes are weaker than Lucy, and Juvia didn't even block their finishers, just ordinary fodder attacks. And if she modifies that spell into a sphere, then it's even weaker, because Juvia has no feats for it. Show me Juvia defending against a spell with the size and power of Star Dress mix. Show me one panel.

 

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