Fantasy Luffy vs Marco

[XXGenesis]

So who is mid tier yonko lvl in ur imo?

Whoa, there are only 4 Yonkou, not aware of their Teir Lvs, but they easily seem to be small gaps in power if any....

As for the Yonkou's 1st-4th Mates Thats who I'm categorizing...Cracker & his bro who lost to Supernova's are weak, Ace belongs here to. Most likely the weakest of the bunch.....Marco is most likely high tier With Katakuri, & Jack.

Mid tier would have to be Vista, Jozu, Etc

 

[Enima]

I think Marco takes this mid-high diff.

Marco is basically an admiral level. During the war he got handcuffed when he was distracted. I don't want to jump into conclusions, but it seemed like Oda made that happen because otherwise the white beard pirates would've been too overpowered. He also took on Black beard. Even though he lost the battle, he must've been quite strong and confident in his abilities to challenge someone who said that he would destroy marine ford by himself.

Luffy is probably a high yonko-admiral level. Both Doflamingo and Luffy were exhausted due to previous fights when they fought. Overall I would say Doflamingo was stronger but Luffy should be stronger now since he becomes stronger after every fight. The fight against Cracker wasn't really a fair fight. Cracker had an ability that countered Luffy's fighting style (which might be the reason why he was sent to face luffy). Also getting help from Nami doesn't really prove Cracker was stronger. Nami was there, so she did the what was the most sensible thing to do at that time and helped luffy. Nami would've helped luffy even if Cracker was weaker than him. We could say Cracker was stronger If Luffy was unable to go on after he fought Cracker, but after he fought with Cracker Luffy received a beating from sanji and still managed to fight the army sent by big mom which shows Luffy was far from being exhausted. If Nami wasn't there Luffy would've used a different tactic.

In Gear 4th Luffy>Marco but that only lasts for 20 minutes. Marco can easily survive 20 minutes, his Haki is most likely stronger than Luffy's previous opponents so he can tank Luffy's attacks for 20 minutes (though it's not going to be easy, Marco's can heal most of his injuries using his DF ability). After that Marco can one-shot Luffy since Luffy can't use Haki (due to gear 4th).

 

[LaGOAT]

Whoa, there are only 4 Yonkou, not aware of their Teir Lvs, but they easily seem to be small gaps in power if any....

As for the Yonkou's 1st-4th Mates Thats who I'm categorizing...Cracker & his bro who lost to Supernova's are weak, Ace belongs here to. Most likely the weakest of the bunch.....Marco is most likely high tier With Katakuri, & Jack.

Mid tier would have to be Vista, Jozu, Etc

Damn I did it again lol I meant yonko commander lvl I agree with ur list.

Low tier commander lvl ace luffy cracker

Mid tier lvl DD jozu probably vista smoothie (base on hype)

High tier jack Marco katakuri.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 15, 2017 ---

I think Marco takes this mid-high diff.

Marco is basically an admiral level. During the war he got handcuffed when he was distracted. I don't want to jump into conclusions, but it seemed like Oda made that happen because otherwise the white beard pirates would've been too overpowered. He also took on Black beard. Even though he lost the battle, he must've been quite strong and confident in his abilities to challenge someone who said that he would destroy marine ford by himself.

Luffy is probably a high yonko-admiral level. Both Doflamingo and Luffy were exhausted due to previous fights when they fought. Overall I would say Doflamingo was stronger but Luffy should be stronger now since he becomes stronger after every fight. The fight against Cracker wasn't really a fair fight. Cracker had an ability that countered Luffy's fighting style (which might be the reason why he was sent to face luffy). Also getting help from Nami doesn't really prove Cracker was stronger. Nami was there, so she did the what was the most sensible thing to do at that time and helped luffy. Nami would've helped luffy even if Cracker was weaker than him. We could say Cracker was stronger If Luffy was unable to go on after he fought Cracker, but after he fought with Cracker Luffy received a beating from sanji and still managed to fight the army sent by big mom which shows Luffy was far from being exhausted. If Nami wasn't there Luffy would've used a different tactic.

In Gear 4th Luffy>Marco but that only lasts for 20 minutes. Marco can easily survive 20 minutes, his Haki is most likely stronger than Luffy's previous opponents so he can tank Luffy's attacks for 20 minutes (though it's not going to be easy, Marco's can heal most of his injuries using his DF ability). After that Marco can one-shot Luffy since Luffy can't use Haki (due to gear 4th).

Disagree Marco isn't admiral lvl. He can give them a fight but he gets mid diff same with luffy and DD

 

[Enima]

Disagree Marco isn't admiral lvl. He can give them a fight but he gets mid diff same with luffy and DD

He was able to fight Kizaru and take an attack from Akainu head on without any severe injuries. The Gorosei also mentioned him as one of the people capable of stopping blackbeard along with the 4 yonkos. (that itself alone should be enough proof)

 

[LaGOAT]

He was able to fight Kizaru and take an attack from Akainu head on without any severe injuries. The Gorosei also mentioned him as one of the people capable of stopping blackbeard along with the 4 yonkos. (that itself alone should be enough proof)

They only exchange one blow that it that isn't adirmal lvl it's the same logic with luffy and zoro taking one hit from admiral doesn't mean ur on their lvl. Like I said be4 he can give them a fight but lose a mid diff fight. No they didn't show me the panel. Also he lost horribly to BB

 

[Enima]

They only exchange one blow that it that isn't adirmal lvl it's the same logic with luffy and zoro taking one hit from admiral doesn't mean ur on their lvl. Like I said be4 he can give them a fight but lose a mid diff fight. No they didn't show me the panel. Also he lost horribly to BB

Spoiler

The difference is, Fujitora wasn't serious. On the other hand during the marineford war, the marine's lives were on the line. So the marines were fighting seriously since they had no other choice.

 

[XXGenesis]

He was able to fight Kizaru and take an attack from Akainu head on without any severe injuries. The Gorosei also mentioned him as one of the people capable of stopping blackbeard along with the 4 yonkos. (that itself alone should be enough proof)

They overestimated Marco & Underestimated BB. BB just ate the powerful Gura Gura No Mi & Was already Low Commander LV before. 1 v 1 BB Wins...WB Crew + Other Alliance is a different story; Still BB & crew met the challenege & became a Yonkou after.

Marco can't beat any of the Admirals. 1 v 1.

I believe it'll only take 2-3 Admirals to Catch a Yonkou. But I can see a Yonkou, spanking another Yonkou's Top 3 Mid Difficulty.

 

[Enima]

They overestimated Marco & Underestimated BB. BB just ate the powerful Gura Gura No Mi & Was already Low Commander LV before. 1 v 1 BB Wins...WB Crew + Other Alliance is a different story; Still BB & crew met the challenege & became a Yonkou after.

Marco can't beat any of the Admirals. 1 v 1.

I believe it'll only take 2-3 Admirals to Catch a Yonkou. But I can see a Yonkou, spanking another Yonkou's Top 3 Mid Difficulty.

I never said he was Yonko level. But assuming that the Gorosei knew the power levels of famous pirates quite well, they wouldn't have just said that if Marco didn't stand a chance. If Marco was only as strong as a normal yonko commander they wouldn't have said that. They never mentioned Jack, Katakuri or Cracker.

 

[afromarco005]

In my opinion, luffy is way overrated in the mangahelpers community.

Yes he is the main character
Yes he has the most feats in the manga
Yes he has gear 4th and everything

But I dont see any scenario where he could possibly win against Marco 1st mate of the late strongest man in the world when he had trouble with cracker, and the likes of DD.
Marco was going toe to toe with kizaru, fighting akainu without being overwhelmed wich I dont see even current G4th luffy doing etc.
Plus Marco's fruit is just too much for luffy infinite regenerative ability coupled with superior speed and most probably strenght
luffy and his 5 min g4th just badly loses this matchup

 

[LaGOAT]

I never said he was Yonko level. But assuming that the Gorosei knew the power levels of famous pirates quite well, they wouldn't have just said that if Marco didn't stand a chance. If Marco was only as strong as a normal yonko commander they wouldn't have said that. They never mentioned Jack, Katakuri or Cracker.

there is no proof that marco is admiral lvl he kick kizaru and kizaru didnt get any damage from it. kizaru wasnt serrious either. a serious kizaru mid diff marco. clashing once doesnt mean he is on admiral lvl.

 

[Enima]

there is no proof that marco is admiral lvl he kick kizaru and kizaru didnt get any damage from it. kizaru wasnt serrious either. a serious kizaru mid diff marco. clashing once doesnt mean he is on admiral lvl.

Marco was fighting Kizaru+a vice admiral simultaneously and they were fighting equally until Marco got distracted.

 

[LaGOAT]

Marco was fighting Kizaru+a vice admiral simultaneously and they were fighting equally until Marco got distracted.

Show me panel becuase all I remember is the kick and then he was sea handcuffed and then kizaru beamed him

 

[XXGenesis]

Everyone Should Agree that Luffy Cannot Beat Marco.

Everyone should agree that Marco cannot beat an Admiral.

As to Where they stand in comparison of each other in power. I believe Oda is Pushing Luffy to become as strong as possible in comparison to the Commanders which hold 1Billion Bounties compared to his 500K which he achieved through a duel effort.

None the less, I believe more group or support type battles will start to happen. Ability, Power & skill + manga hype will all be accounted for bounties & threat Lvs...

One thing I can say I don't like is..Having Sanji dodge Katakuri's attack, with so little showings to his abilities & skills in comparison. To Luffy now evading but very hazardously.

Either way I believe G4 Luffy is Low Commander lv due to physical prowness & ability alone. While others around this class or within may possess abilities which warrant them this Fan classification.

 

[M3J]

Marco, no doubt. Luffy has proven he's not on a Yonkou commander level, when he couldn't handle Cracker on his own and is being challenged beyond his limits against Katakuri. Marco is likely better, but even if not, he is a phoenix who can regenerate. Luffy will challenge Marco, but he won't do as much damage as he did to Katakuri, but he'll do more than what he did to Cracker. Plus, Marco is the same guy that could go head to head with Kizaru, if I recall correctly? But this is not a good point to bring up if we're using post-timeskip Luffy.

Wonder if Marco lost to Blackbeard because of his Yami Yami no Mi.

 

[Stormsfury]

I'll give this to Marco extreme diff. Snakeman definitely closed the gap quite a bit, add Luffy's increased observation Haki from his battle with Katakuri.... he's definitely close.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'll give this to Marco extreme diff. Snakeman definitely closed the gap quite a bit, add Luffy's increased observation Haki from his battle with Katakuri.... he's definitely close.

I'm wanna say Current Luffy > Pre Time skip Marco.

 

[kkck]

Given luffy's recent drastic increase in strength I am going to lean for a very tough victory for marco or a tie. Ultimately this is a battle of attrition between the two. Luffy has dramatically improved his gear 4 during the past arc. Against doflamingo he was basically crippled after one use but now he is able to continue moving even after gear 4 and can use it for prolonged amounts of time even while exhausted. But this remains a battle of attrition because of marco's ability. Marco will continue to heal any damage he takes for the duration of the fight. In context that means marco doesn't really accumulate damage through fights, what he goes through is just his stamina depleting as he heals more an more. Luffy might already be capable of casual use of gear 4 but regardless he would still accumulate damage through the fight, even against katakuri he wasn't untouchable while using gear 4. Marco wins but with extreme difficulty.

 

[M3J]

One thing I wanna know - does Marco retain damage or can he be hurt? If neither, then he's got this because Luffy can't heal without meat and milk. However, does Marco have a way to deal damage to Luffy? If he can't do a lot of damage, then it'd probably come down to willpower/endurance. Which Marco would win as the first division leader of the Whitebeard crew.

 

[kkck]

One thing I wanna know - does Marco retain damage or can he be hurt? If neither, then he's got this because Luffy can't heal without meat and milk. However, does Marco have a way to deal damage to Luffy? If he can't do a lot of damage, then it'd probably come down to willpower/endurance. Which Marco would win as the first division leader of the Whitebeard crew.

Marco's ability is to regenerate. So in theory he doesn't take lasting damage. However oda did say there is a limit to the regeneration so i would assume healing at least drains his stamina. Marco is a zoan with the ability to fly and claws, i would assume he has the capacity to deal damage to luffy. Cqc is a zoans specialty after all.

 

[M3J]

So it comes down to who can last longer, if healing does use up stamina. Would claws be able to hurt haki Luffy though/