Discussion Luslec VS Baek Ryun

[Demonspeed]

The top Towerborns who aren't Zahard Princesses. People love to discuss about Adori and Enne, Shinies, Enryu, GWs but they are overlooked.

On one hand, we have Luslec, whose background is still mostly unknown but who showed some of his powers in S3, on the other hand Baek Ryun who appeared recently and doesn't have truly huge feats yet. Understandable since he is a Regular there. Still, he is clearly special.

Who do you think is stronger in the main story?

 

[arrowofsky]

I will think a bit and comment later. Quite an interesting topic, and I also have a feeling that spinoff will also show F.U.G. and Luslec at some point so there may be a direct data for us to reference.

 

[Demonspeed]

I will think a bit and comment later. Quite an interesting topic, and I also have a feeling that spinoff will also show F.U.G. and Luslec at some point so there may be a direct data for us to reference.

Luslec is already an adult even in the spin-off though so he will be much stronger than Baek who is still a Regular.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Baek Ryun is highly likely for the mainline, but I'm sure it'll be high-diff either way if they fought.


Since he's been revealed in the spin-off, SIU will not longer be apprehensive of bringing him out so it's likely he'll be personally participating in Season 4.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Impossible to say but I will bet on goat luslec

 

[Sky is blue]

I personally belive that Luslec recevied his spell powers from Arlene who is an irregular.

He also has much more experience then baek since he is tens of thousands of years older then him, so much more time for him to develop his skillset as well.

I think Luslec will end up having an edge over Baek if they fights. Either way it will be a high diff fight

 

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The top Towerborns who aren't Zahard Princesses. People love to discuss about Adori and Enne, Shinies, Enryu, GWs but they are overlooked.

One one hand, we have Luslec, whose background is still mostly unknown but who showed some of his powers in S3, on the other hand Baek Ryun who appeared recently and doesn't have truly huge feats yet. Understandable since he is a Regular there. Still, he is clearly special.

Who do you think is stronger in the main story?

Using the blogpost info I would take luslec. Without using the blogpost info however there is no way at all to predict the result of this fight. It would be a close fight imo.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I think Baek Ryun will end up more special and stronger, like some deity from the tower.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

It's a bit harder to chose. First Mirchea, we know he wasn't that strong before he got his powers from Arlene. His strongest arsenal is Spells. We have seen how OP spells are, add to the fact his spells are plants based.

IIRC, SIU also said if two regulars are on same rank the one with spells wins as they are unfathomable. We can see how it from levy. Hoaqin also became white through spells.

Karaka and Dumas are immortal because of spells. The walls protected by spells, can only be undone by FLs themselves. Similar to armours can only be penetrated by FLs. Dumas being wary for the first time when he thought khun was a sorcerer and he gave Dumas the biggest trouble at that point.

Not to mention spells on 13 MS, spell on sprout, Elaine ruling NHS with spells for eons. The list goes on and on to show how OP and special they are.

But at the end, Spells ultimately is a different form of shinsu and Baek being a genius as he is shown, I will give a little edge to him. I hope Baek isn't from a 10 GF. I want a regular towerborn who isn't connected to any GWs be super strong. Tho ultimately he is connected to an irregular, UM as long as his accomplishments doesn't have anything to do with UM, I am satisfied.

I low-key want Baek to be Minato type genius, no connection to 10 GFs, no power inherited from irregular or ancients, established his left on his own stuff. For that reason I hope Baek be the top of pecking order in TTs. It's also interesting how TTs are attached to special Irregulars. Mirchea with V, Baek with UM and Adori with Jahad.

 

[Demonspeed]

It's a bit harder to chose. First Mirchea, we know he wasn't that strong before he got his powers from Arlene. His strongest arsenal is Spells. We have seen how OP spells are, add to the fact his spells are plants based.

IIRC, SIU also said if two regulars are on same rank the one with spells wins as they are unfathomable. We can see how it from levy. Hoaqin also became white through spells.

Karaka and Dumas are immortal because of spells. The walls protected by spells, can only be undone by FLs themselves. Similar to armours can only be penetrated by FLs. Dumas being wary for the first time when he thought khun was a sorcerer and he gave Dumas the biggest trouble at that point.

Not to mention spells on 13 MS, spell on sprout, Elaine ruling NHS with spells for eons. The list goes on and on to show how OP and special they are.

But at the end, Spells ultimately is a different form of shinsu and Baek being a genius as he is shown, I will give a little edge to him. I hope Baek isn't from a 10 GF. I want a regular towerborn who isn't connected to any GWs be super strong. Tho ultimately he is connected to an irregular, UM as long as his accomplishments doesn't have anything to do with UM, I am satisfied.

I low-key want Baek to be Minato type genius, no connection to 10 GFs, no power inherited from irregular or ancients, established his left on his own stuff. For that reason I hope Baek be the top of pecking order in TTs. It's also interesting how TTs are attached to special Irregulars. Mirchea with V, Baek with UM and Adori with Jahad.

Luslec getting Spells from Arlen is headcanon so far. Nothing like this has been said.

SIU didn't say that Spells are that good.

Are you saying that he wasn't that strong because of the Traumerei flashback? Even in the present any FH could defeat it with ease.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Luslec getting Spells from Arlen is headcanon so far. Nothing like this has been said.

SIU didn't say that Spells are that good.

Are you saying that he wasn't that strong because of the Traumerei flashback? Even in the present any FH could defeat it with ease.

Well one cannot discuss about spells without mentioning Arlene. Acc to Garam, V died shortly afterwards Arlene went crazy. We also know V's powers are water based attack, he might be the one who taught Mirchea but Arlene being the one has higher chances.

Either way he got the powers from either V or Arlene. We also see Mirchea never used spells in party flashback. The most important thing is he also adopted Grace name afterwards. Regardless whatever it is, he got powers from either of them.

SIU said that. Even if he didn't u can see from the list I typed, how special and OP they are. Hmm turns out it's a bit different but overall it says same thing as knowledge about spells is banned or restricted so few regulars might have knowledge about spells, SIU has stated that, for Regulars, if they don’t have a good understanding of spells, then it's hard to block them even for strong Regulars.

I didn't say Mirchea was weak based on his confrontation with hon but rather Traumerei. I don't see Dumas, Kirin or Robadon losing to that ancient eyed cobra.

Dumas defeated Harpe and Vanquish which ranks higher than cobra. Cobra at best seems to be CC tier. While this shows he is strong but he isn't qualified to face Regents of any family. The cobra also looks much younger in flashback party than in the 8th son plot and nest arc.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well one cannot discuss about spells without mentioning Arlene. Acc to Garam, V died shortly afterwards Arlene went crazy. We also know V's powers are water based attack, he might be the one who taught Mirchea but Arlene being the one has higher chances.

Either way he got the powers from either V or Arlene. We also see Mirchea never used spells in party flashback. The most important thing is he also adopted Grace name afterwards. Regardless whatever it is, he got powers from either of them.

SIU said that. Even if he didn't u can see from the list I typed, how special and OP they are. Hmm turns out it's a bit different but overall it says same thing as knowledge about spells is banned or restricted so few regulars might have knowledge about spells, SIU has stated that, for Regulars, if they don’t have a good understanding of spells, then it's hard to block them even for strong Regulars.

I didn't say Mirchea was weak based on his confrontation with hon but rather Traumerei. I don't see Dumas, Kirin or Robadon losing to that ancient eyed cobra.

Dumas defeated Harpe and Vanquish which ranks higher than cobra. Cobra at best seems to be CC tier. While this shows he is strong but he isn't qualified to face Regents of any family. The cobra also looks much younger in flashback party than in the 8th son plot and nest arc.

Arlene is the best Sorcerer but Spells are still from the Tower.

We not seeing him use Spells in the flashback isn't very indicative when he didn't even get the opportunity to do much. Sorcery works via pacts with entitties and stuff.

They can be tricky but the way to deal with them hasn't been made clear yet. If they were that broken there would be much more Sorcerers.

Traumerei could defeat any Towerborn even with a puppy. Against Dumas he wasn't focused on him. When he met Luslec he was also in a hurry.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

If they were that broken there would be much more Sorcerers.

So u don't find spells broken even after such feats?

Traumerei could defeat any Towerborn even with a puppy

Now this is a bit too much.

 

[Demonspeed]

So u don't find spells broken even after such feats?

Not exactly. All Spells aren't equal to begin with. But inexperience against hem can be deadly. What I am saying is that once we learn more about them, they won't seem that overpowered.

Now this is a bit too much.

Traumerei doesn't need anything to kill a Towerborn in the first place and he buffs all his Shinheuhs. No reason for me to believe that a Towerborn could overpower him if he is fighting them seriously.

In the spin-off we saw Evelyn with a similar ability and she strengthens the animals so much that it kills them.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Not exactly. All Spells aren't equal to begin with. But inexperience against hem can be deadly. What I am saying is that once we learn more about them, they won't seem that overpowered

None is saying they are equal. Just saying they are depicted as special. Luslec became Mirchea with spells, Hoaqin became white through spells, karaka survived UM's 1 percent though spell. While they all aren't equal each has special qualities.

Traumerei doesn't need anything to kill a Towerborn in the first place and he buffs all his Shinheuhs.

I am talking about a single animal not all. Like u said with a puppy he can defeat any towerborn. Traumerei used only cobra for Mirchea back then not deployed all of his animals.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Luslec can win decisively. I mean, Baek can hang with him for a while, but I don't think he can counter Luslec's spells. But let's see, we don't have enough information about what the adult Baek is capable of. But I'd bet my money on Luslec.

 

[Demonspeed]

None is saying they are equal. Just saying they are depicted as special. Luslec became Mirchea with spells, Hoaqin became white through spells, karaka survived UM's 1 percent though spell. While they all aren't equal each has special qualities.



I am talking about a single animal not all. Like u said with a puppy he can defeat any towerborn. Traumerei used only cobra for Mirchea back then not deployed all of his animals.

White is a fusion of five siblings and we don't know the details about Luslec. How strong do you think Arlene is if you value Spells this much?

Why wouldn't Traumerei be able to defeat any Towerborn using a single animal? Do you think Hon for example would lose to Adori if he were to use a wooden sword? Traumerei is simply that much stronger.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

White is a fusion of five siblings and we don't know the details about Luslec. How strong do you think Arlene is if you value Spells this much?

White is still a product of spell. Without spell, he could never be created. As for Mirchea, all we need to know is spells are huge set of his powers possibly all of them. Arlene is strong but when spells used against fellow irregulars with Sbhs, I doubt it's very effective, towerborns don't have sbhs. Isn't that the reason why Traumerei was able to deal with bright charge but UM having no Sbhs couldn't?

Why wouldn't Traumerei be able to defeat any Towerborn using a single animal? Do you think Hon for example would lose to Adori if he were to use a wooden sword? Traumerei is simply that much stronger.

They are different things. Yama and Yas forced Traumerei to bring Rapid. He wasn't even able to finish Yas by Harpe and kraken came out.

 

[Demonspeed]

White is still a product of spell. Without spell, he could never be created. As for Mirchea, all we need to know is spells are huge set of his powers possibly all of them. Arlene is strong but when spells used against fellow irregulars with Sbhs, I doubt it's very effective, towerborns don't have sbhs. Isn't that the reason why Traumerei was able to deal with bright charge but UM having no Sbhs couldn't?

So? Spells vary. The individual potential of the five siblings, especially Hoaqin and Vicente, the entity he made a pact with and other factors also matter. White is also far from being invincible. He is CC tier.

The ability cancelling power is unique to Baam's Shinwonryu, it's not something others have. Plus, Spells themselves are from the Tower. It's not like Arlen knew them and made the rules.

They are different things. Yama and Yas forced Traumerei to bring Rapid. He wasn't even able to finish Yas by Harpe and kraken came out.

Traumerei wasn't focused on them. It happened plenty of times. Every time a Towerborn was doing great against one of his Shinheuhs it was when he wasn't focused on them at all.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I don't think Traumerei can beat current Luslec without Valhala. Probably could do it If he had Haetae and Gran Abuelo, but he had only CC-tier beasts as his best shinheuh excluding Valhala ofc.