Games Mafia Game 102 - Genswap Impact: End Game

[Copy Panda]

omo! but in fake spanish

Spoiler: Night Actions MG102!

 

[Evil3ye]

I think it would be fine if at least everyone agreed to swap and picked their own targets. But when everything is decided like this? No. I don't like what you said about swapping with Asako too if she ends up unlucky (I know you would never do that). You didn't in the Saint Seiya game or something?

Also, following this plan and allowing a Mafia/TP to get an easy win N1 would piss me off.

Who would you target to swap with?

 

[GrySun]

If I do that you won't be happy about getting my role.
You can give it back the next day but there is a risk with that, risk can be avoided if we trade both ways.

(think of these 2 sentences as another role hint, if the first 2 are not clear enough).

Question: Why do you prefer this way tho? To do something similar but not exactly what I want? To sidestep any potential trap?

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To answer your question: Yes, I would since the risk will be on your side and you won't be able to blame me for fucking up after the game after giving you many hints xD

But only if Lambu doesn't want to trade as well, as that is just objectively better than what you are proposing.

Ah no, I thought that‘s why you chose me and Lambu, because you want it to be a true swap and want me or him to have it. Then I maybe misunderstood your intentions, why does it matter then if it‘s me or Evil, if the swap will complete anyway?

Do we still learn what role you are even if we immediately swap back?

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*if the swap will swap back, meaning you keep the role.

 

[Brandish μ]

Since my partner is brandish, Im ok with the swapping. Not finished with catching up but Brandish doesn’t seem as enthusiastic about swapping with me. @Brandish μ you don’t love me?

It's not you, I just see the lynch as a non event rn. Don't think there are any buyers for lynching me...

So I won't miss our date. If you are mafia consider it a gift for last game.

@Brandish μ bb are you down to bottom for me? Usually suicidals that early are not mafia so I'd feel confident target you to swap.

Mb babes, gotta be tomorrow night, if we still here

 

[GrySun]

I think it would be fine if at least everyone agreed to swap and picked their own targets. But when everything is decided like this? No. I don't like what you said about swapping with Asako too if she ends up unlucky (I know you would never do that). You didn't in the Saint Seiya game or something?

Also, following this plan and allowing a Mafia/TP to get an easy win N1 would piss me off.

Idk what you refer to, Saint Seiya had nothing like that where I could choose anything.

The main thing is keeping it nice and orderly. If everyone chaotically picks, we can have triangles or even squares where people pick same person and it shuffles so much to the point we can‘t tell anymore who had what and who to trust.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I've gotta head to bed as I've got an early start with a big day of ramping up my recital prep and finalising production on a song for an art exhibition that's rapidly approaching. @Evil3ye tag me before days end whether I should swap with @SonOfDaws as per the list or if I should swap with a green or whoever.

I will go the full distance and repay the petty votelock that was placed on me. Votelock Gajeel.

 

[Evil3ye]

Ah no, I thought that‘s why you chose me and Lambu, because you want it to be a true swap and want me or him to have it. Then I maybe misunderstood your intentions, why does it matter then if it‘s me or Evil, if the swap will complete anyway?

Do we still learn what role you are even if we immediately swap back?

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*if the swap will swap back, meaning you keep the role.

So, his plan is basically both target each other, so you and him have their role back?

The same result occures if he is Mafia Escort and targets you with a block and he cannot target you to give the role, and you keep your role thinking you can vouch for him.

 

[Shad]

Ah no, I thought that‘s why you chose me and Lambu, because you want it to be a true swap and want me or him to have it. Then I maybe misunderstood your intentions, why does it matter then if it‘s me or Evil, if the swap will complete anyway?

Do we still learn what role you are even if we immediately swap back?

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 16, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 16, 2022 ---

*if the swap will swap back, meaning you keep the role.

Mafia can't swap, so if nothing happens it means we are both town.
I don't get to know your role tho.

Technically the 2 town swapping only confirm each other since 2 mafia could coordinate a fake swapping show, so others can't be sure until one of them is dead, but it a good step forward, tying people is awesome for town.

Unless Hoe or Kill intervenes.

Actually if Hoe can block the swap, it would look just like a real town swap....
You could figure it out if you have a role that can tell if you have been blocked.

But then it could be used to throw shade on somebody, by blocking a random Pair, to create distrust between them.

Would a hoe even bother doing this, since they can't coordinate in the mafia pad, as revealing who to block, reveals who is the person requesting the block (Since they are Paired)? Unless the hoe is the person trading? (Self preservation).

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All right my time is up, good night.

My plan has nothing to do with giving you my role, in fact it relies on me keeping it.
Read the hints again, since this confusion probably made you miss understand some of it, if you assume I want to keep my role you may want to understand what role it is.

 

[GrySun]

So, his plan is basically both target each other, so you and him have their role back?

The same result occures if he is Mafia Escort and targets you with a block and he cannot target you to give the role, and you keep your role thinking you can vouch for him.

Seems so. But, if we still get notified via 2 PMs the Escort case wouldn‘t work. Say, „you are now Doc“, and then „you are now Det“ etc, if a full swap happens between det and doc. Or maybe it‘s fully silent?

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Mafia can't swap, so if nothing happens it means we are both town.
I don't get to know your role tho.

Then why insist on it being me or Lambu? Anyone else could vouch for you too if double swapped. You townread us?

 

[Evil3ye]

Seems so. But, if we still get notified via 2 PMs the Escort case wouldn‘t work. Say, „you are now Doc“, and then „you are now Det“ etc, if a full swap happens between det and doc. Or maybe it‘s fully silent?

We would need a host confirm for that but honestly as host I would only notify the player if something actually happened that changed to the prior state of the role, no in-between night positions.

@Farfalla @Copy Panda

 

[Shad]

Then why insist on it being me or Lambu? Anyone else could vouch for you too if double swapped. You townread us?

I town read Lambu a lot more from yesterday discussion, you are also quite town today, there is a good and valid reason for it to be one of you two, can't state the reason in public tho that will be the same as just claiming, figure it out please, and maybe let stop with the hinting, at this point it has became too obvious.

 

[GrySun]

I will !votekill Marmalade for now. Her posts stuck out to me when asked on her opinions on the swapping. Agrees reluctantly, citing she thinks it will fail over and over to mask that in reality she doesn‘t like the idea. Reminds me of me when town was giving a great plan but I had to BS around about it not happening.

 

[Farfalla]

We would need a host confirm for that but honestly as host I would only notify the player if something actually happened that changed to the prior state of the role, no in-between night positions.

@Farfalla @Copy Panda

You get informed if you get another role/weapon.

 

[Holt]

Skimmed through a bit.

I’m fine with swapping, but I honestly doubt the hosts didn’t anticipate this. There’s probably a catch but no need to worry about things we don’t know.

Secondly, if allegiances can really change, I don’t think things will be as smooth as most are thinking.

Scenario 1 two greens swap with each other. I assume there’s no confirmation other than the fact that they would remain with their roles? They both need to admit this and they it’ll be a trusted pair

Scenario 2- one green swaps with a red. In this case, allegiances flip. The red turned townie now knows a mafia. He will need to admit he was mafia before since the green turned scum is unlikely to do. Obviously doesn’t matter much but the green who was hunting/confirming gets sacrificed? I mean in the grand scheme, town should overall come on top but how do people feel about this? Not soo much catching mafia as seppeku.

 

[Brandish μ]

Evil or GrySun please keep that table updated and posted regularly. We cannot waste this chance, the fair and ordered pairing system, on display, is most vital.

 

[GrySun]

We would need a host confirm for that but honestly as host I would only notify the player if something actually happened that changed to the prior state of the role, no in-between night positions.

@Farfalla @Copy Panda

Eh, imagine a Traitor is first Mentor recruited then mafia recruited on the same night, I‘d PM him both things since they happened. Me swapping 4 times should show me the 4 roles I swapped into, not just the final thing.

 

[Holt]

Also need to consider blocks/deaths will not help with confirmation. So if nothing happens, it’s also possible to misinterpret that

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Honestly with this plan it feels like we're just playing musical chairs

The statement I most agree with

 

[Farfalla]

Eh, imagine a Traitor is first Mentor recruited then mafia recruited on the same night, I‘d PM him both things since they happened. Me swapping 4 times should show me the 4 roles I swapped into, not just the final thing.

For extra clarity, you'll be informed if you have a new role/weapon at the end of the night (and what's that role/weapon, of course). You get that as the outcome, not the pile solving process.

 

[Holt]

Eh, imagine a Traitor is first Mentor recruited then mafia recruited on the same night, I‘d PM him both things since they happened. Me swapping 4 times should show me the 4 roles I swapped into, not just the final thing.

I don’t think that’s how it works. Not to mention that will break the game completely.

 

[Evil3ye]

OK we already have the half on board. We could totally make it happen as there is one per row (except @Demonspeed and @Erinyes row).

Asako	AwkwardMisha
Brandish	Crescent Jinx
Demonspeed	Erinyes
Evil3ye	Gajeel
GB	GrySun
Holt	James
Lambu	Marmalade
Shad	shinobi
SirSamuel	SonOfDaws
Tatsumaki	Vandred
gnut

So, question to green squad: should we do it in these rows or reassign green to green?

Seems like from here it didn't change much, but from it we can make the "friends swap" list

Asako (targets)	shinobi
Shad (double swap)	GrySun (double swap)
Evil3ye (targets)	Brandish

Definitely don't want to swap:

Demonspeed

Gajeel

gnut