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Farfalla

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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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That‘s much better. I never agreed with Ust‘s top poster theory, and I‘m top poster regardless of role, but this does look more like a proper reason to vote me and not just last game feelings.

I really did just ignore you for the post sounding kinda petty and like annoyance-bait. All I can tell you is that you‘re wrong that James „put me on the back foot“. He voted me for disagreeing on mechanic and initial hinting doubts, and that was the end of it.

Why can’t I accuse you of being mafia? 🤔 More like there was nothing to go on with you except that you were looking salty. For the record I think your post here looks pretty inconsistent, I don‘t remember you mentioning top poster=mafia in any game before.

Your trust in James is pretty weird as well. A mafia with a good role is more likely to claim active to not lose the role to townies passing their roles.
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!votekill James Rye for now. Mafia Boss guess. Would explain some of the weird Lovers talk.
Actually a mafia with a good role is more likely to claim passive as they cannot lose their original mafia role if given another townie role increasing their chances of a killed but wrongly guessed townie handing over their role to a mafia hiding in the passive crowd. Plus by claiming passive changes are high that a spy, if one is in the game, won't target them in the first couple nights as spies might rather look into active claims to check their sanity in case hosts had a macabre sense of humor handing out a paranoid spy role.

Receiving a role from a different alignment will not affect your current one - additionally, a player cannot receive the ability to perform "faction kills" at night;
That means the rule of

The receiver cannot choose between keeping his/her current primary role or the transferred one - their former role will be discarded and the new one will take place immediately;
is void whenever a townie receives a mafia role, highly unlikely due mafia knowing who to pass their role to, and also void if a townie happens to pass a role to mafia. "Current one" means role not allegiance. After all how is a Townie Janitor supposed to work, it would just be a dead role.
 

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Actually a mafia with a good role is more likely to claim passive as they cannot lose their original mafia role if given another townie role increasing their chances of a killed but wrongly guessed townie handing over their role to a mafia hiding in the passive crowd. Plus by claiming passive changes are high that a spy, if one is in the game, won't target them in the first couple nights as spies might rather look into active claims to check their sanity in case hosts had a macabre sense of humor handing out a paranoid spy role.



That means the rule of



is void whenever a townie receives a mafia role, highly unlikely due mafia knowing who to pass their role to, and also void if a townie happens to pass a role to mafia. "Current one" means role not allegiance. After all how is a Townie Janitor supposed to work, it would just be a dead role.
No you‘re wrong, they can absolutely lose their role. Hosts confirmed it. And yes Townie Janitor is a dead role.
 

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are you?! are you one of those now?! hidoi
 

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Your trust in James is pretty weird as well. A mafia with a good role is more likely to claim active to not lose the role to townies passing their roles.
!votekill James Rye for now. Mafia Boss guess. Would explain some of the weird Lovers talk.
It you who is acting wierd.

Would Gry hunt for a possible lover on D1 or a mafia?

Would Gry vote with such a weak reason?

Would a lover/mafia play the way James is playing?

You aren't even consistent, you are still stuck since that early pressure and everything you do right now can be seen as the consequence of that pressure, you aren't playing your own game.

Explain why you think voting an active claimer actively hunting for mafia D1 for talking about lover is your best move.
 

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I see already a lot votekills, but gonna say i bet i decide pretty late on this dayphase...it is just to unclear in my opinion
 

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@GrySun so you are guessing he is mafia boss that claimed active?

I'm I just too dumb to get it?
 

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It you who is acting wierd.

Would Gry hunt for a possible lover on D1 or a mafia?

Would Gry vote with such a weak reason?

Would a lover/mafia play the way James is playing?

You aren't even consistent, you are still stuck since that early pressure and everything you do right now can be seen as the consequence of that pressure, you aren't playing your own game.

Explain why you think voting an active claimer actively hunting for mafia D1 for talking about lover is your best move.
A mafia, and that‘s what I‘m hunting.

I vote for gut feelings all the time(that are usually correct), if anything this time I have a reason that‘s more tangible. And it‘s not weak at all if you paid attention.

Idc about Lovers, him being Boss could signify to him that there are Lovers hence him making a deal out of that, but it‘s just role guess. And I told you before what James does as mafia.

You are hilarious Shad. Calls me inconsistent yet none of what you say is. Forgetting how I usually play, misreading posts, ignoring anything that doesn‘t fit while you headbut in one direction.
Not settled on you being mafia, but I can see a weird TP play at this point. Keep it up.
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@GrySun so you are guessing he is mafia boss that claimed active?

I'm I just too dumb to get it?
Clearly only active mafia roles ever claim active right Shad?
 

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if anything this time I have a reason that‘s more tangible.
What your reason again? The lover talk?
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Clearly only active mafia roles ever claim active right Shad?
Clearly mafia prefer lynching passive claimers right Gry?
 

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