Games Mafia Game 112 - Panda Game - End Game

[Tatsumaki]

but what about healthy? why not claim that early on?

I never saw the use of claiming it. It's a passive sucky role anyway, it can't be proven.

and the simple fact that one sickly proved to be mafia should make it clear that one healthy will be mafia for sure in this scenario. Like DD said.

Why for sure ?? Does healthy mafia even exist ??

As for her protecting GB last night, unless he was poisoned in the deathless night, she shouldn't have failed.
Scenario 1:
Let's say GB got poisoned N2, so tatsu couldn't protect him last night he was already dead, so her protecting him tonight was pointless.
In this case, DD protecting Holt from Poisoner N2 and redirecting the poison onto him falls. And that would mean DD died N3 protecting Tatsu.

Scenario 2:
DD died poisoned, by protecting holt N2. That would make tatsu a liar because GB died with her "protecting" him (supposedly, can't know if she did since she did not reveal her target ~WHICH IS SUPER SUS BTW~). And would mean they targeted GB on N3 for kill.

Scenario 3:
Tatsu didn't protect anyone cuz she's not actually townie, they killed DD directly to make it look like he died protecting her, to further confirm her townie alliance. And GB was just poisoned N2.

I think I remember GB being sussed early on so not sure they'd go for poisoning him tho', would much rather see holt being poisoned.

I don't remember ever being told to protect GB ??

Tatsu didn't protect anyone

I didn't yeah but it's because I messed up actually.


I'm very surprised James believe in Holt so much honestly.
Votekill Gajeel
I hope this will give us the answers we need. At the very least it will show that I AIN'T MENTOR.
(I'm the one who need mentoring please if you're good in economics slide in my DMs i need help oof)

 

[Farfalla]

@Copy Panda @Farfalla Can a Necro/Necro use both aigoo and omo in the same night or is there a restriction like having to do that on the same person or to have to take an Aigoo from one and an Omo from another dead person?

I think we've answered to this question 3x+ alrdy only in game 112 a¬a

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@Copy Panda @Farfalla my question is as follow.

The rules say you can never use the ability of the same player more than once.



Is it safe to assume that a necro could eventually use both roles of a dead town player as long as they have the spice?

Well they're different roles on a same player so...

 

[Shad]

@James Rye How do we use the sicky to our advantage?

Brandish still has 1 use, there is no need to plan for Holt's death as there is no strongman, what the play? (excluding bringging back Barkeeper).

 

[James Rye]

@Tatsumaki Who did you protect last night then?

@Shad Obviously we do the same plan as in every Mafia Game, Shad! BRING BACK THE BARKEEPER!!! *sings the Pinkie and the Brain song with James and the Shad instead"

Seriously though, after Tatsu not keeping either GB or DD alive I rather Brand uses the BG on Holt to make sure Holt stays alive to tell us his investigation on me or Tatsu depending on what Gaj turns out to be.

@Brandish μ If Gaj turns out traitor there is a chance for Holt to be M.Det selling out the Traitor to be believable townie, so no need to protect him, then you might wanna keep your last usage for the coming night. If Gaj turns out Mentee or Mafia then use it to get DD's BG in case tatsu is lying about being doc since either GB or DD should have lived through the night after telling us their actions for last night - GB investigating Sam and DD protecting Tatsu. This way we can also see if Tatsu is for real because she can protect you meaning you protect holt, tatsu protects you, Gry protects himself via hider.
Which leaves for mafia to kill either me, tatsu, baka or shad. And since me, tatsu and baka are kinda sus they really don't wanna kill us but killing Shad risks that they gonna get Banshee killed by Shad plus Shad gonna come back anyway as Jesus so no real good trade-outcome for them

@Tatsumaki If you protect Brand using his BG on Holt then neither Holt nor Brand should die this night. And since town sus you it seems unlikely they gonna kill you if they wanna keep you alive to be framed. Same for me. Shad got the Banshee plus Jesus stuff. And if Baka doesn't die then the potential of him being Mafia Noble goes way up.
So could you please agree to protecting Brand if Brand agrees to protect Holt if Gaj turns out Mentee/Mafia if you are so confident in not being Mentor?^^

@GrySun What do you say for this night plan? The action combination makes sense depending on what roles Gaj turns out to have.

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And @Shad there is no need for the sickly to be used yet except if Gaj turns out traitor leaving the potential of Tatsu/Holt working together. And even then we don't need it yet because we outnumber those 2 next day even if they succeed at killing a townie in the night phase.

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@Tatsumaki Wait wait wait, you didn't use doc twice? So you only used it in night 2? Despite Gb saying he gonna check on Sam for my claim and DD saying he gonna protect you, our doc, meaning if someone were to kill you DD would die?

 

[Tatsumaki]

@Tatsumaki Who did you protect last night then?

no one

@Tatsumaki If you protect Brand using his BG on Holt then neither Holt nor Brand should die this night. And since town sus you it seems unlikely they gonna kill you if they wanna keep you alive to be framed. Same for me. Shad got the Banshee plus Jesus stuff. And if Baka doesn't die then the potential of him being Mafia Noble goes way up.
So could you please agree to protecting Brand if Brand agrees to protect Holt if Gaj turns out Mentee/Mafia if you are so confident in not being Mentor?^^

I will.
Actually would be better for me to send the action now since I'll be in exam during night phase.

@Tatsumaki Wait wait wait, you didn't use doc twice? So you only used it in night 2? Despite Gb saying he gonna check on Sam for my claim and DD saying he gonna protect you, our doc, meaning if someone were to kill you DD would die?

Yeah I messed up. But anyway I was going to protect DD, I don't remember that talk about GB honestly.

 

[Baka Taichou]

I never saw the use of claiming it. It's a passive sucky role anyway, it can't be proven.


Why for sure ?? Does healthy mafia even exist ??


I don't remember ever being told to protect GB ??


I didn't yeah but it's because I messed up actually.


I'm very surprised James believe in Holt so much honestly.
Votekill Gajeel
I hope this will give us the answers we need. At the very least it will show that I AIN'T MENTOR.
(I'm the one who need mentoring please if you're good in economics slide in my DMs i need help oof)

why not, if you're town you'd surely be sus of someone claiming your role which usually doesn't come in doubles
for sure cuz the mafia would be lying I doubt there's 2 healthies
yea you were told i'm sure, it wasn't my idea i saw someone write it.
so you didn't use your role at all
i don't think you're mentor, I think you're mafia xD

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bg protecting doc doc protecting bg that's an infinite loop that would assure the doc wouldn't die XD but then doc would just what keep the bg alive? instead of protecting someone else?

 

[James Rye]

why not, if you're town you'd surely be sus of someone claiming your role which usually doesn't come in doubles
for sure cuz the mafia would be lying I doubt there's 2 healthies
yea you were told i'm sure, it wasn't my idea i saw someone write it.
so you didn't use your role at all
i don't think you're mentor, I think you're mafia xD

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bg protecting doc doc protecting bg that's an infinite loop that would assure the doc wouldn't die XD but then doc would just what keep the bg alive? instead of protecting someone else?

Pretty much yeah, except for Strongman who is dead and since Mafia have no Mafia Necro (no matter how hard I try to get Mafia one! ;A they cannot make use of their lost role. Though they might have already used it.

In this case since Tatsu is sus, Mafia actually helps us by killing Tatsu if Tatsu protects our Necro protecting our most likely insane det. But they won't because they are in desperate needs of sus townies and what is more sus than a doc who only used his role once so far? Well, except for a Mason lynching his Mason buddy and only finding 3 guilties with his 3 time use det role. XD XD XD

 

[Tatsumaki]

why not, if you're town you'd surely be sus of someone claiming your role which usually doesn't come in doubles
for sure cuz the mafia would be lying I doubt there's 2 healthies
yea you were told i'm sure, it wasn't my idea i saw someone write it.
so you didn't use your role at all
i don't think you're mentor, I think you're mafia xD
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bg protecting doc doc protecting bg that's an infinite loop that would assure the doc wouldn't die XD but then doc would just what keep the bg alive? instead of protecting someone else?

We're in a setting where everyone has 2 roles, so duplicate passive roles don't raise my red flags as much as duplicate active ones do.
Well I didn't see anyone write it. But since James also had that assumption, it's probably me who missed it, my bad then.
I used it only on N2 yeah.
I don't think I can change your mind on me so no need to argue more I guess.

But for DD my reasoning was that they'll either kill me and he'll die, they'll either kill him directly to get me next. So I wanted to protect him to keep both scenarios from happening.

 

[Shad]

I read your plan twice and I it still don't fully get it, but let see what others that didn't show up yet say first.

 

[Baka Taichou]

We're in a setting where everyone has 2 roles, so duplicate passive roles don't raise my red flags as much as duplicate active ones do.
Well I didn't see anyone write it. But since James also had that assumption, it's probably me who missed it, my bad then.
I used it only on N2 yeah.
I don't think I can change your mind on me so no need to argue more I guess.

But for DD my reasoning was that they'll either kill me and he'll die, they'll either kill him directly to get me next. So I wanted to protect him to keep both scenarios from happening.

mhm so dd got poisoned protecting holt you say

 

[Brandish μ]

Sorry this phase for being afk

@Brandish μ can necro target the same player twice to use both roles a player have? Cause maybe you can still use sickly from Margi, at the moment it looks just as good as a detective.

Since there is no healthy mafia, if they get sick they are mafia?

Pretty sure i can, think it's the action i can't reuse from a player.

Who are the claimed sickly roles? I hate sickly, but i hate bodyguard waaaay more

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claimed sickly roles

Healthy townie

 

[Shad]

Let me know when you catch up

 

[James Rye]

@Brandish μ Margi and Sam were sickly.

@Shad

In short:
Gaj = traitor, Brand stays calm since Holt could be M.Det then.
Gaj = Mentee/Mafia, Brand goes APESHITCRAZY. Ok, he just picks BG and keeps Holt safe while Tatsu keeps Brand safe. Means Mafia cannot kill three players, Gry due hiding, Holt due Brand BG and Brand due Tatsu Doc protection. Which leaves Mafia only Tatsu, me, you and Baka to kill. You are Jesus and Banshee, not a fun target, Tatsu is sus doc and I am sus det while Baka is sus Noble. All bad targets to kill as it makes it easier for remaining town to figure out who the true sus is.

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Also 3 hours left. Meh. Nothing left to do.
Votelock Gajeel.

 

[Shad]

and since Mafia have no Mafia Necro (no matter how hard I try to get Mafia one! ;A they cannot make use of their lost role. Though they might have already used it.

Thanks for the mechanic idea, I really like this as a solution to what makes mafia unfun.

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GrySun said he will be back 1h before day end, I would like to hear his toughts so can't lock now.

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Holt as well may comeback.

 

[Tatsumaki]

mhm so dd got poisoned protecting holt you say

No. It is a possibility but it is not what I said.
I said DD might have died saving me and if I didn't mess up I could have saved him and we would both be there now.
Of course if he died to poison then nothing I could have done.

 

[GrySun]

GrySun said he will be back 1h before day end, I would like to hear his toughts so can't lock now.

On what specifically?

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My thoughts are Tatsu had the confirmed town status locked down and she blew it with the lowered confidence. Depending on what Gajeel flips she may be a possible scum, including a mixture of Holt and James.

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Everything about Holt/Gajeel is too convenient. But there‘s no better play we can objectively make this day. We gotta just hope we don‘t lose because of lynch-order, and otherwise whoever is alive next day must carry it to the end.

 

[Holt]

Holt as well may comeback.

Yeah I'm back now. What's the plan? Is there something specific I need to do? I still fully intend to check James/Tatsu, and the priority of who I'd pick would depend on what Gaj flips.

 

[Shad]

On what specifically?

On James and tatsu discussion about targets, but it fine.

To show some support to the accused, I will vote with them, innocent until lynched

This town vs Gaajel.

@Votekill Holt

Let see if you are the man you say you are!

 

[Tatsumaki]

My thoughts are Tatsu had the confirmed town status locked down and she blew it with the lowered confidence.

Don't get what you mean by this ? Because I admitted messing up on N3 ?

 

[Gajeel]

Holt's post is very disappointing. If Holt ever dies night 1 in future games lynch me day 2. Whether I'm town, mafia, or third party, I'm taking credit for it.