Fantasy Mard Geer VS Ajeel

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Mard geer still solos the spriggan 12, they have no counter to memento mori

Lol, you are trolling. Mard Geer is not anywhere near Spiriggan level, if he was Zeref would have him join the 12 instead.

 

[Vex_Haid]

He indeed handled the Twin Dragons and LFD Natsu's attacks easily, proving he had a great defense, but the same could be said about them handling his attacks, MAYBE because he was indeed holding back, or maybe because he's mostly a tank (we can't trust his calm expression since even when ACNOLOGIA showed up (and before Igneel appeared to fight him), Mard still kept the same arrogant face despite facing imminent defeat). And he DID use Thorns against them but it didn't pierce them like CSK, it only caused minor damage. Then again, seeing how the very WIDTH of the Thorns he used against CSK was bigger than a human size, I doubt those same Thorns would be sharp enough to pierce a human.

I know we could call it plot armor, but I personally think there's a weakness in Mard's powers: In his centuries of existence, he only had CSK as a true rival, so it makes sense that his deadliest Thorn attacks are fit for such a huge target. He thinks humans are powerless insects and admitted himself that the Twin Dragons were stronger than any humans he ever faced (yet they aren't that strong), so it makes sense that he didn't bother developping strong attacks for such opponents, he thinks staying on defensive and slowly beating them down is all he needs, and if they prove stronger than expected, he has Memento Mori.

And I HIGHLY doubt 1% of Base Mard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9DG, or that CSK is universal (Just because he CREATED a realm doesn't mean he can DESTROY one, maybe creating the spirit world drained most of his power, or maybe getting out of his realm greatly cripples his power, we don't know... In fact we don't even know how big this realm is.)

well just cause acnologia showed up does not mean that mard geer is scared of him tho i mean like mard did show no fear of acno at all and if he did use thorns on them and if it is true that it did not pierce them then theres this one thing called plot or just high piercing durability. and yeah i agree about the fact that he didn't develop any stronger attacks cause of how weak he thought the humans were .

about the 1%>>>>>>>>>>>>9DG i was basically just saying that mard geer effortlessly can solo the 9DG etc and "creating a realm does not mean he can destroy it" tell that to the people that call kaguya star level for creating a star and momoshiki universal for creating a universe lol. and during his battle with mard geer it really didn't look like his power was drained tbh and even it was the Celestial realm was around for hundreds or thousands of years so he should have regained his MP

And for the "we don't even know how big the realm is" well the realm contains planets and stars as it shows here so maybe it is multi solar sized? but again it depends weather the CSK made it or not which i don't see why he didn't

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Lol, you are trolling. Mard Geer is not anywhere near Spiriggan level, if he was Zeref would have him join the 12 instead.

what counter do spriggans have to memento mori or mard geers insane durability? yeah nothing

him no selling a igneel style NDF slayer secret art>>>>anything the spriggans did

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

what counter do spriggans have to memento mori or mard geers insane durability? yeah nothing

Spriggan doesn't need any counter. What feats erasing feats does Momento Mori have? Oh, wait I remember nothing.

him no selling a igneel style NDF slayer secret art>>>>anything the spriggans did

He no-sold an attack from Tarttoros Natsu big deal. Alvarez Natsu >>>> DF Tartoros Natsu

 

[Vex_Haid]

Spriggan doesn't need any counter. What feats erasing feats does Momento Mori have? Oh, wait I remember nothing.



He no-sold an attack from Tarttoros Natsu big deal. Alvarez Natsu >>>> DF Tartoros Natsu

heres the erasing feat kid

LOL TO BASE NATSU BEING STRONGER THEN DF NATSU lmao DF natsu didn't get stronger if he did show proof

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

heres the erasing feat kid

LOL TO BASE NATSU BEING STRONGER THEN DF NATSU lmao DF natsu didn't get stronger if he did show proof

Who did it erase? Nobody. If Zeref believe Mard could have erased him he wouldn't have killed him.

LOL TO BASE NATSU BEING STRONGER THEN DF NATSU lmao DF natsu didn't get stronger if he did show proof

Alvarez Natsu is stronger than DF Tartoros Natsu lol. He went and trained a year to get stronger.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Who did it erase? Nobody. If Zeref believe Mard could have erased him he wouldn't have killed him.
It was gonna erase but DS saved them lmaooo, and he killed him cause EE is not enough to put zeref down


Alvarez Natsu is stronger than DF Tartoros Natsu lol. He went and trained a year to get stronger.

so? how does that make DF stronger?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

so? how does that make DF stronger?

He is stronger than Tartoros version of DF. Don't know why think Natsu DF is equally powerful in every arc.

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Who did it erase? Nobody. If Zeref believe Mard could have erased him he wouldn't have killed him.

Not necessarly. Zeref doesn't want to be ERASED, he wants to DIE, he wants to go to the afterlife. And since Memento Mori wasn't PROVEN useless (Devil Slayer having specific resistances to demonic curses makes sense), I'm willing to grant Mard the benefit of the doubt.

what counter do spriggans have to memento mori or mard geers insane durability? yeah nothing

Just because Memento Mori CAN erase a Spriggan doesn't mean Mard would always have TIME to cast it, it has a relatively low range and area of effect with only an immobilizing fog to help waiting its long-casting. But what if some Spriggans have ways of breaking free of this fog? Or keep their distances and use long-ranged spells?
As for Mard's durability, it IS impressive, but not invulnerable since DF Tartaros Natsu WAS able to hurt him on a certain level. And some Spriggans have insane offensive powers:
-Invel almost killed Gray, who's specifically NEAR-IMMUNED to ice, so it should be instant-death against anyone else. Even Mard shouldn't last more than two minutes.
-God Serena's Historia dominated Alvalez Team Natsu in their base (I may have some uncertainties comparing Base Alvalez Natsu ALONE to Tartaros DF Natsu, but his whole team is definitely stronger), Gildarts stated the real deal must be even stronger, and since he's a Dragon Slayer, he must have his own DF or Multi-Element modes to multiply his base power. That should be MUCH more effective than Tartaros Natsu's Secret Art.
-Bloodman is a much stronger and more versatile Devil Slayer than Tartaros Gray, who could already 1-shot Mard ONCE he managed to hit him.
-August and Irene are obvious.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Not necessarly. Zeref doesn't want to be ERASED, he wants to DIE, he wants to go to the afterlife. And since Memento Mori wasn't PROVEN useless (Devil Slayer having specific resistances to demonic curses makes sense), I'm willing to grant Mard the benefit of the doubt.

Zeref wants to die. He wants to be free from his curse. He doesn't care about how it's done.

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Zeref wants to die. He wants to be free from his curse. He doesn't care about how it's done.

He does care about the how, as he was willing to wait for centuries despite having opportunities sooner, ex: If Igneel's power stocked in Natsu's arm was enough to destroy him, the real Igneel must've been even stronger, yet Zeref never asked him. Also, remind me why Zeref didn't travel to the future with Natsu? It would've skipped the wait and he could've personally trained Natsu like a Spriggan.

No, as illogic as his plan seemed sometimes, he was stubbornly determined to follow ONE specific path. Even for Fairy Heart, which was one of the rare new options that interested him, he decided to start wars to take it by force, TWICE, when he had simpler options (like convincing Prect to give it to him, or even trying to create his own).

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He does care about the how, as he was willing to wait for centuries despite having opportunities sooner, ex: If Igneel's power stocked in Natsu's arm was enough to destroy him, the real Igneel must've been even stronger, yet Zeref never asked him

Igneel Natsu can kill him because he has the power of the dead. Igneel was alive back then so it wouldn't be enough to kill him.

Also, remind me why Zeref didn't travel to the future with Natsu? It would've skipped the wait and he could've personally trained Natsu like a Spriggan.

Keeping Natsu close to him is suicide because of his death curse.

No, as illogic as his plan seemed sometimes, he was stubbornly determined to follow ONE specific path. Even for Fairy Heart, which was one of the rare new options that interested him, he decided to start wars to take it by force, TWICE, when he had simpler options (like convincing Prect to give it to him, or even trying to create his own).

Zeref was planning to attack Ishigar when the time was right. He couldn't create FH on his own don't know where this coming from. FH was the result of Mavis and Zeref love which killed Mavis and Pretch using various magic to bring back Mavis which resulted in FH.

 

[Vex_Haid]

He is stronger than Tartoros version of DF. Don't know why think Natsu DF is equally powerful in every arc.

Does not change the fact that NDF natsu>>>>>>all base natsus

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Not necessarly. Zeref doesn't want to be ERASED, he wants to DIE, he wants to go to the afterlife. And since Memento Mori wasn't PROVEN useless (Devil Slayer having specific resistances to demonic curses makes sense), I'm willing to grant Mard the benefit of the doubt.



Just because Memento Mori CAN erase a Spriggan doesn't mean Mard would always have TIME to cast it, it has a relatively low range and area of effect with only an immobilizing fog to help waiting its long-casting. But what if some Spriggans have ways of breaking free of this fog? Or keep their distances and use long-ranged spells?
As for Mard's durability, it IS impressive, but not invulnerable since DF Tartaros Natsu WAS able to hurt him on a certain level. And some Spriggans have insane offensive powers:
-Invel almost killed Gray, who's specifically NEAR-IMMUNED to ice, so it should be instant-death against anyone else. Even Mard shouldn't last more than two minutes.
-God Serena's Historia dominated Alvalez Team Natsu in their base (I may have some uncertainties comparing Base Alvalez Natsu ALONE to Tartaros DF Natsu, but his whole team is definitely stronger), Gildarts stated the real deal must be even stronger, and since he's a Dragon Slayer, he must have his own DF or Multi-Element modes to multiply his base power. That should be MUCH more effective than Tartaros Natsu's Secret Art.
-Bloodman is a much stronger and more versatile Devil Slayer than Tartaros Gray, who could already 1-shot Mard ONCE he managed to hit him.
-August and Irene are obvious.

I mean i doubt that base alveraz natsu is close to DF tartaros natsu due to the huge multipler because base mard geer>>>>>>>>tartaros base natsu and when he wen't NDF he was overpowering (speedblitzing tbh) Etherious mard geer so the multiplier between NDF and base should be massive. and it did not look likenatsu did any damage to mard geer at all since in the manga i did not even saw a scratch on mard geer and AGAIN he got hit by a a DS secret art and not a normal one as this one had a rage boost + NDF Boost + Igneels powers and mard geer rubbed it off like nothing happened so spriggans might be faster then mard geer but they are def not on his lvl at all and for the bloodman part the sad thing is that bloodman won't have natsu distracting mard geer this time or that he will have a plot demon slayer form to tank existance erasure.

Irene and augusts durability are below mard geers and i think he beats them in hand to hand combat but loses in terms of hax since they are haxxed as shit but i do believe that with memento mori he will one shot neg diff and that without hax they dont have a way of hurting mard geer

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Igneel Natsu can kill him because he has the power of the dead. Igneel was alive back then so it wouldn't be enough to kill him.

That's it? Then why bothering with his centuries-long plan with END instead of trying to channel the power of any dragon who died in the war?

Keeping Natsu close to him is suicide because of his death curse.

Not if he doesn't care about him, and after he got cursed, he did stop caring about him (he revived Natsu because of END's power, not because he was his brother). Otherwise his death curse would've been triggered during their fight, and he wouldn't have written in END's book that Natsu must die after Zeref does (the fact Lucy could edit this line proves Zeref didn't have to write it in the first place).

Zeref was planning to attack Ishigar when the time was right. He couldn't create FH on his own don't know where this coming from. FH was the result of Mavis and Zeref love which killed Mavis and Pretch using various magic to bring back Mavis which resulted in FH.

No, AUGUST was the result of Mavis and Zeref's love, Fairy Heart was created from the accumulation of Prect's experiences to reanimate Mavis. If HE could accidentally create an infinite source of magic after decades of experiences, why can't Zeref? And if I'm wrong, why not keeping Mavis to extract Fairy Heart in peace, instead of bringing her back to Fairy Tail and starting wars to get her back?

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I mean i doubt that base alveraz natsu is close to DF tartaros natsu due to the huge multipler because base mard geer>>>>>>>>tartaros base natsu and when he wen't NDF he was overpowering (speedblitzing tbh) Etherious mard geer so the multiplier between NDF and base should be massive. and it did not look likenatsu did any damage to mard geer at all since in the manga i did not even saw a scratch on mard geer and AGAIN he got hit by a a DS secret art and not a normal one as this one had a rage boost + NDF Boost + Igneels powers and mard geer rubbed it off like nothing happened so spriggans might be faster then mard geer but they are def not on his lvl at all and for the bloodman part the sad thing is that bloodman won't have natsu distracting mard geer this time or that he will have a plot demon slayer form to tank existance erasure.

Irene and augusts durability are below mard geers and i think he beats them in hand to hand combat but loses in terms of hax since they are haxxed as shit but i do believe that with memento mori he will one shot neg diff and that without hax they dont have a way of hurting mard geer

In Oracion Seis, Natsu stated DF only tripled his power, and it was more than his own energy, Jellal helped him. Tartaros DF Natsu isn't stronger because the MULTIPLIER is better, but because his BASE power is stronger than before, therefore the multiplied result is better. And Natsu wasn't boosted by Igneel, he didn't eat his flames and the manga simply said "Taught to me by Igneel" (then again, maybe it was badly translated), only the english dubbed episode said "Igneel Style".
That's why I'm tempted to believe Mard wasn't THAT much stronger than him, he was mostly a tank handling his attacks easily, but had no truly effective attacks either (except for MM), and when Natsu went DF, he finally started overwhelming and hurting Mard, but ran out of energy too early.

Also, people RARELY look hurt in Fairy Tail! There's been many enemies taking sword slashes from Erza and only getting knocked out without any visible scratch.

As for Bloodman, like I said, he's more VERSATILE than Gray, so he wouldn't need someone else's distraction, his arsenal of curses is diversified enough to get an opening. And if he's a stronger Devil Slayer than Tartaros Gray, I'm sure he has a Devil Slayer form too.

That's assuming nobody can break free of Memento Mori's immobilizing fog, or that Mard will get close enough to cast it (he was barely 30 feet far from Natsu and Gray when he used it).

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

No, AUGUST was the result of Mavis and Zeref's love, Fairy Heart was created from the accumulation of Prect's experiences to reanimate Mavis. If HE could accidentally create an infinite source of magic after decades of experiences, why can't Zeref? And if I'm wrong, why not keeping Mavis to extract Fairy Heart in peace, instead of bringing her back to Fairy Tail and starting wars to get her back?

Mavis explained the magic from what happened between Zeref and herself. Pretch trying to reanimate her what gave rise to FH but this would have been possible because of what happened between him and Zeref.

Not if he doesn't care about him, and after he got cursed, he did stop caring about him (he revived Natsu because of END's power, not because he was his brother). Otherwise his death curse would've been triggered during their fight, and he wouldn't have written in END's book that Natsu must die after Zeref does (the fact Lucy could edit this line proves Zeref didn't have to write it in the first place).

Reviving Natsu was his life goal that's the reason he got cursed in the first place. He achieves two goals creating END as well as reviving Natsu. Reviving Natsu was his primary goal. Zeref stopped caring about life in Alvarez and then curse stops working.

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Mavis explained the magic from what happened between Zeref and herself. Pretch trying to reanimate her what gave rise to FH but this would have been possible because of what happened between him and Zeref.



Reviving Natsu was his life goal that's the reason he got cursed in the first place. He achieves two goals creating END as well as reviving Natsu. Reviving Natsu was his primary goal. Zeref stopped caring about life in Alvarez and then curse stops working.

Not sure to understand the first part since words are missing and english isn't my first language, sorry.

Then why did he write in END's book that Natsu must die if he still cared about him during his creation?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Then why did he write in END's book that Natsu must die if he still cared about him back then?

He never wrote anything like that. He is his creator so if he dies Natsu he dies as well. Lucy rewrote it which Zeref believe was impossible.

 

[Sinister Spirit]

He never wrote anything like that. He is his creator so if he dies Natsu he dies as well. Lucy rewrote it which Zeref believe was impossible.

He wrote the WHOLE book of END, including the part of "END dies if his creator dies". He thought it was impossible for OTHERS to edit it because writing/editing a demonic book comes with a lethal backfire, but he's personally immuned to it due to his immortality (which is how he wrote it in the first place). So once again, why writing it that way if he cared?

Anyway, everything I said about Zeref these past few hours was just to say that he made many illogical choices, so we shouldn't question why he didn't use Mard Geer, that's just his character: As contradictive as his curse.

 

[WoWfan]

Pretty sure Ajeel Takes this where as Mard Geer is slightly above Hades level strong

 

[Vex_Haid]

That's it? Then why bothering with his centuries-long plan with END instead of trying to channel the power of any dragon who died in the war?



Not if he doesn't care about him, and after he got cursed, he did stop caring about him (he revived Natsu because of END's power, not because he was his brother). Otherwise his death curse would've been triggered during their fight, and he wouldn't have written in END's book that Natsu must die after Zeref does (the fact Lucy could edit this line proves Zeref didn't have to write it in the first place).



No, AUGUST was the result of Mavis and Zeref's love, Fairy Heart was created from the accumulation of Prect's experiences to reanimate Mavis. If HE could accidentally create an infinite source of magic after decades of experiences, why can't Zeref? And if I'm wrong, why not keeping Mavis to extract Fairy Heart in peace, instead of bringing her back to Fairy Tail and starting wars to get her back?

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In Oracion Seis, Natsu stated DF only tripled his power, and it was more than his own energy, Jellal helped him. Tartaros DF Natsu isn't stronger because the MULTIPLIER is better, but because his BASE power is stronger than before, therefore the multiplied result is better. And Natsu wasn't boosted by Igneel, he didn't eat his flames and the manga simply said "Taught to me by Igneel" (then again, maybe it was badly translated), only the english dubbed episode said "Igneel Style".
That's why I'm tempted to believe Mard wasn't THAT much stronger than him, he was mostly a tank handling his attacks easily, but had no truly effective attacks either (except for MM), and when Natsu went DF, he finally started overwhelming and hurting Mard, but ran out of energy too early.

Also, people RARELY look hurt in Fairy Tail! There's been many enemies taking sword slashes from Erza and only getting knocked out without any visible scratch.

As for Bloodman, like I said, he's more VERSATILE than Gray, so he wouldn't need someone else's distraction, his arsenal of curses is diversified enough to get an opening. And if he's a stronger Devil Slayer than Tartaros Gray, I'm sure he has a Devil Slayer form too.

That's assuming nobody can break free of Memento Mori's immobilizing fog, or that Mard will get close enough to cast it (he was barely 30 feet far from Natsu and Gray when he used it).

that was flame of rebuke DF not natural DF like the one natsu got in tartaros and natsu was boosted by igneel as he said "i inherited this indirectly from igneel" and none of this changes the fact that mard geer still tanked it.

Uh thats anime i believe because in the manga it shows blood cause in the anime fight between igneel and acno igneel had no blood scars on him but in the manga he did. same goes for Mard geer he did not even have a scratch on him and he was still easily able to move

Lol at bloodman having a DS form and if there is no one distracting mard geer then he will just one shot bloodman with memento mori + he has more experience then bloodman

 

[Sinister Spirit]

that was flame of rebuke DF not natural DF like the one natsu got in tartaros and natsu was boosted by igneel as he said "i inherited this indirectly from igneel" and none of this changes the fact that mard geer still tanked it.

Uh thats anime i believe because in the manga it shows blood cause in the anime fight between igneel and acno igneel had no blood scars on him but in the manga he did. same goes for Mard geer he did not even have a scratch on him and he was still easily able to move

Lol at bloodman having a DS form and if there is no one distracting mard geer then he will just one shot bloodman with memento mori + he has more experience then bloodman

"Indirectly inherit" sounds more like he originally learned Dragon Slaying magic from Igneel as a kid, but eventually managed to unlock DF on his own. How could Igneel have empowered him anyway? We never saw Natsu eating his flames, so does he have "psychic powers" or something? And DF through external help should be better than natural DF since it has more than Natsu's power to it, just like the original Fire Dragon King mode (in which Natsu ACTUALLY had Igneel's power) was better than when he was only using his own power to activate this mode.

You REALLY think a Devil Slayer 10 times more powerful than Tartaros Gray won't have ANY resistance to Memento Mori? You REALLY think someone intangible doesn't have the slightest chance to escape MM's immobilizing fog? You REALLY think that with ALL the 9 Demon Gates' powers, Bloodman won't have anything to distract/slow down Mard? (Btw I doubt your theory of Mard soloing all 9DG, but mostly because Silver is a more experienced Devil Slayer than Gray)