Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

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No, the blood is disproportionate from where it was located to the blood on his head, because unlike Acnologia, he did not drop out of the sky from the loss of magic. Not that he wasn't feeling Magic loss as well. It does not matter what you elaborate at, the volume makes a clear comparison between Face and EMPs, the end result is all the same. Skiadrum was not already fighting and tired and draining of magic like Acno and Igneel were. The flames were immediately nonexistent next panel on the same page which does not mean squat, so he was effected by Face, simple as that. There is no evidence that Igneel can kill Igneel, even at full power, because we do not know how much percentage Igneel was when he fought Acnologia, but likely not the significantly low. Merc 100% can be measured by the ocean he lifted which can be calculated. I am saying that a lot of time has passed and these DG can very well be stronger than even Igneel, besides what is a king to a god? Acnologia is different from other dragons so he is outside that logic
Acnologia didn't drop out of the sky because of face either. Again, there are difference between Igneel's wounds and Acnologia's wounds. Igneel wasn't coughing up blood. A bloody lip isn't the same thing as coughing up blood.

Nowhere in the manga/volume has a comparison between an EMP and face ever been made. I don't even know where you're coming up with this.

It doesn't matter if Skiadrum wasn't already fighting. He was using magic. Acnologia had enough magic to maintain his dragon form, and Igneel was using magic to create flames even as face was activated. The flames were present after face activated and before Grandine destroyed the first pillar. So Igneel was using magic right after face activated.

Why does there need to be evidence that Igneel can kill Igneel? It doesn't matter what percentage Igneel was at when he fought Acnologia. He had enough power to knock him out. Even if you don't believe Igneel could knock out Acnologia, he still undeniably hit Acnologia so hard that he coughed up blood. Igneel also bit off Acnologia's arm. All things that Mercphobia would not have been able to done to an opponent as strong as Acnologia, like Ignia.

Lifting the ocean isn't as impressive as knocking out Acnologia or biting of Acnologia's arm. Ignia literally swam through Mercphobia's ocean. When Ignia launched his attack, Mercphobia actually drops all of the water he lifted in an attempt to put out the flames. It was unsuccessful. The remaining flames had enough power to make Natsu stronger than him. Ignia would have easily beaten Mercphobia if he had fought personally. He's stronger than Natsu. Ignia would lose an arm fighting Igneel.

God Dragon and Dragon Kings are just titles. The dragons on Ishgar recognize dragons as powerful as Acnologia their kings. The humans on Ishgar call dragons as powerful as Acnologia as gods. That just tells us a king to a dragon is basically a god to a human.
 
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Yet there was blood from inside as it came from his mouth, and yet there is no showing that there was a struggle nor sound effect that he was hit by Igneel when he dropped. it is in the volume, in the section outside the chapters themselves that makes the comparison. But like you said, Face does not take all the magic as Skaidrum was fresh and can still use magic despite still being effected by Face, like all beings on the continent were. It doesn't matter if he was in dragon form or not, Acnologia's dragon form is magic and like any magic he is still effected by Face, plus he was in battle with Igneel. And those flames are literally gone the next second after, which doesn't mean he could maintain any flames after that point, he could only use magic for a second, no different than how Acno could not use any magic either. Actually it is, as Lifting an ocean requires massive amount of energy, which can be estimated at around LArge Country - Multi-Continent Level using Kinetic Energy Formula. and remember, this is Merc at 50%, which is unimpressive despite Natsu eating the flames of a full powered DG. Titles are there for a reason, especially with those who have the power and skill to back it up, Ex. King Faust was not a powerful character without his Dragon Armor Mech suit, he was just an average man. and as we have established already that DG are the same strength as Acnologia, who already defeated all the dragons 400 years ago, even Igneel and the parent dragons who were at their strongest.
 

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A bloody lip is not the same thing as coughing up blood. Acnologia was coughing up blood. Igneel had a bloody lip. In any case, you aren't always knocked out when you cough up blood. In Acnologia's case, however, him coughing up blood and the cuts on his body were present as he fell.

Of course it matters if Acnologia was in his dragon form. Acnologia's dragon form is his magic. The fact that the dragon form was not dispelled by face is irrefutable proof that Acnologia still had magic power. Think of how much magic power it takes for Natsu to maintain dragon form. It would take at least that much for Acnologia to maintain his dragon form. The fact that Acnologia still had his dragon form tells us that he had a tonne of magic power left. You can't expect Igneel to cover himself in flames all the time for no reason. Skiadrum not having been in a fight isn't relevant. Igneel was fighting for 20 minutes, and he still had magic left after face activated. Igneel's flames disappeared because he was done fighting. What matters is the amount of magic power the dragons had. Acnologia had enough magic power to roar when he recovered from getting knocked out. So clearly face did not drain all of his power.

I have read every single "volume afterwards" and "Mirajane explains the Mystery" sections inside the manga from the Tartarus arc, from volume 43 to volume 49. I am even reading Hiro Mashima's scribbles that he draws inside with the doodle covers. Not once has face been compared to an EMP. I am even reading the Japanese versions to see if I am missing something. It's not there. In any case, the way the characters describe face doesn't work like an EMP in real life. We are given descriptions of how face works, about how it erases the ethernano in the atmosphere. An EMP doesn't make electrons disappear, and it also doesn't erase electrical energy from it's surroundings. An EMP is a single pulse that overloads the circuits with electricity.

I never said that lifting an ocean doesn't require a masssive amount of energy. I'm saying that lifting an ocean isn't more impressive than biting of Acnologia's arm. Ignia literally swam his way through Mercphobia's ocean. Mercphobia dropped the ocean on Ignia's flames and could not put them out. The flames that remained gave Natsu enough power to beat Mercphobia. Ignia didn't give Natsu all of his power. Ignia has been known to destroy entire countries. The city of Elmina was still standing after his attack, which tells us that Ignia was holding back. By the way, Mercphobia lifting the ocean isn't multi continental. What does that make Ignia's flames that remained after Mercphobia tried to put out by dropping the ocean? What does that make Natsu who beat Mercphobia? Natsu is not multi-continental.

What does Faust have to do with anything? Faust wasn't crowned a king by dragons. Faust was crowned a king by the citizens of Edolas who didn't even have magic. If Faust was around 400 years ago when the dragons were around, the dragons wouldn't call Faust a king. They would call him food. Acnologia and Igneel were named kings by the dragons of Ishgar. The 5 dragons that grew up to be as powerful as Acnologia were named gods by the humans of Giltena. The power actual power level between "Dragon Kings" and "God Dragons" are pretty much the same. The only difference is an arbitrary title.
 
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Natsu with a small gift from the flames of ignia

He managed to destroy merc with ease ( 50%)

This means that even if he is at full power, Natsu can compete.

Igneel with half his power was able to make a good fight against acno

Igneel with full strength certainly will not be weaker than the five dragons

The name means nothing
In the continent of ishgar humans like Serena had this name

But the title of the king was from the dragons
So it looks better

I also forgot who called acno the dragon of the apocalypse
 

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That would make sense if the bloody lip was from the outside and not the inside, And those cuts can very well be before Face was activated, and you have not proof that Igneel inflicted them during his fall, he did inflict them before it, but most certainly not during. clearly you have not read everything in all the volumes, goo back and try again. Since you admitted that his form is magic, that means he did fall because of face since it effects magic, his form does not have to disappear right away, since he is still effected by it. You admitted that face drain is not equal so stop making things up amounts equalized. Natsu is multi-continent Level after beating both Acnologia and Merc in various forms or powers, it is simple as that. Just like how lifting an ocean is measured to multi-continent level by measuring mass and speed. You can’t go against math. Faust was an example of titles without power and titles with power, dragon kings are different from dragon gods which Acnologia breaks that difference since he trashes dragon kings before.
 
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That would make sense if the bloody lip was from the outside and not the inside, And those cuts can very well be before Face was activated, and you have not proof that Igneel inflicted them during his fall, he did inflict them before it, but most certainly not during. clearly you have not read everything in all the volumes, goo back and try again. Since you admitted that his form is magic, that means he did fall because of face since it effects magic, his form does not have to disappear right away, since he is still effected by it. You admitted that face drain is not equal so stop making things up amounts equalized. Natsu is multi-continent Level after beating both Acnologia and Merc in various forms or powers, it is simple as that. Just like how lifting an ocean is measured to multi-continent level my measuring mass and speed. You can’t go against math. Faust was an example of titles without power and titles with power, dragon kings are different from dragon gods which Acnologia breaks that difference since he trashes dragon kings before.
Where is Igneel bleeding from inside his lips? But I digress, you can can have a bloody lip from inside your mouth. It's still not the same thing as coughing up blood.

Obviously Igneel didn't hit Acnologia during his fall. Igneel hit Acnologia, and then Acnologia fell.

I have read everything in the paperback versions I own, both in Kodansha first edition in English and the Japanese. It's not in the actual chapters, volume afterwards, Mirajane explains the Mysteries of FT, or the doodle notes. And if it's not in any of those, then Hiro Mashima didn't write them.

I have always said that Acnologia's dragon form is magic. Acnologia's dragon form being magic doesn't prove that face made Acnologia fell.
The fact that Acnologia could still maintain his dragon form is proof that he still had a tonne of magical power left.

I never said that face's drain is not equal. You have got to stop putting words in my mouth. I said that face drains everyone equally on the continent. If anyone had any special resistance against face's drain, it would be Acnologia because he is immune to magic and face is magic. It would not be the parent dragons. You're the one saying that face would single out Acnologia and drain him more than anyone else.

Natsu is not multi-continental. Mercphobia actually dropped his ocean back down on Elimina. It didn't destroy multiple continents. It didn't destroy any continent. It didn't even destroy the city. It didn't even put out Ignia's flames.

Dragon Kings are titles given to Acnologia level dragons by other dragons. God Dragons is what the people of GIltena called Acnologia-level dragons, because as Mercphobia's maid explained, humans like to call anything with a lot of power gods. Faust gets called a king by the people of Edolas....who don't even have magic power. Dragons wouldn't recognize him as a king, and humans wouldn't recognize him as a god.
 
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Yes it can as coughing up blood if it is not outside your mouth. I own the volumes as well and I can guarantee you that it is there. Igneel hit Acnologia, and Face made him fall, it is simple as that. It is not about face dispelling his dragon form, it is about being effected even in dragon form which it did, the fact that he still had it means that he was in the process of losing his magic. Yes you have, you have stated countless times that the victims of face drains equally based on their magic power and then you agreed with me on magic power drain being random. That is because that most of the ocean either give vaporized or fell back into the ocean bed, that does not change that Natsu and Merc were at Multi-Continent Level, even Ignia is multi continent level too and is far above Merc, so I do not see why all his flames would be put out. it is the energy behind lifting the ocean and Acno scales to even that and to Etherion which is also Multi-Continent level measuring the size of it’s explosion. Acnologia’s title is different from other Dragon Kings as he is above them, he is on the level of Dragon Gods which are in a league of their own. And his Mech is what makes his title have power behind them. I am not comparing strength between him and dragons, I am making an example of title with power behind them
 

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Well he is well above the average king after all
 

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Yes it can as coughing up blood if it is not outside your mouth. I own the volumes as well and I can guarantee you that it is there. Igneel hit Acnologia, and Face made him fall, it is simple as that. It is not about face dispelling his dragon form, it is about being effected even in dragon form which it did, the fact that he still had it means that he was in the process of losing his magic. Yes you have, you have stated countless times that the victims of face drains equally based on their magic power and then you agreed with me on magic power drain being random. That is because that most of the ocean either give vaporized or fell back into the ocean bed, that does not change that Natsu and Merc were at Multi-Continent Level, even Ignia is multi continent level too and is far above Merc, so I do not see why all his flames would be put out. it is the energy behind lifting the ocean and Acno scales to even that and to Etherion which is also Multi-Continent level measuring the size of it’s explosion. Acnologia’s title is different from other Dragon Kings as he is above them, he is on the level of Dragon Gods which are in a league of their own. And his Mech is what makes his title have power behind them. I am not comparing strength between him and dragons, I am making an example of title with power behind them
Where is there blood inside Igneel's mouth? Also you can have bleeding lips from the inside of your mouth too. It's still not the same as coughing up blood. The way that Igneel has blood dripping from his mouth looks nothing alike the way Acnologia was coughing it up.

At this point you're going to have to show me the Volume Afterwards, "Mirajane explains the Mysteries of FT", or Hiro Mashima's doodle notes that says this. I own the 1st Ed Kodansha releases and Japanese copy. It's not in either. And like I said, the way the characters describe what face does is not the same as the way an EMP works in real life. You can't really get around that. It is what it is.

I never agreed with you in saying that face drained magic power at random. I specifically argued against that. I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish with this. Trying to convince me that I already agree with you is....an odd way to make an argument. Now, what I have said is that face drains everyone on the continent at the same rate. I have also specified that Acnologia has a resistance to all types of magic. Now I don't know if Acnologia is completely resistant to face's effects or not, but he would not be drained faster than the other dragons.

Look, I like Natsu as much as anyone but....he's not multi continental. Mercphobia didn't destroy multiple continents when he dropped the ocean on Elmina. Ignia's flames didn't destroy multiple continents when he blasted Elmina either. These are city level attacks. I hope you realize that the "ocean" that Mercphobia lifted isn't actually the size of any real world ocean we have. It's not like he lifted the Pacific Ocean. At this point, I feel like we're just going in circles, so I suggest a compromise. Can we both agree on this statement?

Mercphobia beating Igneel makes as much sense as Natsu being multi-continental
 

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You can actually see it in the same image that you posted before. Inside the mouth while coughing is still coughing up blood if It’s inside you, but that is besides the point since it is Face that made Acno fall anyway. seriously you can find it in the volumes because i do not know how you can’t find it with how the volume describes Face and EMP relating on the same principles. You agreed that face drains none equally which only means that it is inconsistant as to how much Face drains magic. Same rate is the same as equally, which is what you said against which doesn’t make any sense at all. He is if he can take on a Dragon God and Acnologia with different power ups, He was already Large Country for beating Spriggan level characters. Merc showed the energy to lift an ocean over into the sky which by calculating the mass and speed needed is Multi-Continent level, it is not that hard to do the math. All that matters are the characters that scales to said characters, if they can match them or not logically which they did.
 
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You can't see any blood inside of Igneel's mouth in the image I posted. Also it doesn't look remotely similar to the way Acnologia was coughing up blood.

Why would Igneel not drop out of the sky if he's under the same magic drain as Acnologia? Even if you make the argument that Acnologia's dragon form is made of magic, face did not drain enough magic from Acnologia to dispel his dragon form. Igneel's very existence is dependent on magic too. He is literally on a time limit and would turn to dust once his magic runs out. This is even worse than just losing your dragon form. Acnologia still had enough magic to roar at Igneel after he woke up. Clearly face did not wipe away so much magic from him that he couldn't maintain flight.

I finally found this so-called comparison with EMPs. It was in the translator's notes. This isn't actually in the paperback volumes, and isn't in the Japanese volumes. Mashima didn't write this. This is just the English translator rambling off about what he thinks the magic pulse bomb is referring to. He even mentions that in real life an EMP doesn't wipe out all electronics. This is hardly proof that face works like a real life EMP.

Skiadrum not having being in a fight is irrelevant to whether or not Acnologia still had magic left. Acnologia still had enough magic to roar at Igneel after he woke up. For the duration of face's entire activation, Acnologia did not revert to a human form and maintained his dragon form. Clearly face did not wipe away so much magic from him that he couldn't maintain flight. Igneel was also using magic after face activated. The fact that he didn't keep using magic when he was talking to Natsu doesn't mean a thing. Igneel thought he had already beaten Acnologia so there's no reason to use any magic. He thought he won.

Face does indeed drain magic at the same rate for everyone. There is no evidence whatsoever otherwise. The fact that some objects, like Christina, still had magic power simply means that those objects have more magic power than anything else. Acnologia has more magical power than literally everyone on the continent combined. He would be the absolute last thing to be completely drained of magic.

Natsu can't bust a country, nor can he bust a continent with power-ups. His largest attacks are mountain level, and at most Ignia's flames was a city-level attack as well. But again, Mercphobia beating Igneel makes about as much sense as Natsu being multi-continental level. At the end of the day, Ignia was on Acnologia's level. A fraction of Ignia's power allowed Natsu to beat Mercphobia without any significant injury. Igneel fought Acnologia himself at full power, and crippled Acnologia. Igneel did better against Acnologia than Mercphobia did against Natsu. What you're essentially implying here is that Ignia-powered Natsu is so much stronger than Acnologia that he can beat an opponent that can rip off Acnologia's arm without so much as a scratch. And that Ignia, who is still vastly superior to Natsu, would be leagues above Acnologia.
 
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Yes I can and so could you if you look at it. Like I said it is irrelevant as it was not Igneel that caused Acno to fall as it was Face that did. Draining Acno’s magic does not have to dispel his dragon form in order for him to fall out of the sky which anyone with fatigue would suffer from, and not to say that face being destroyed would not mean Acno would not be able to fight back being ya know the “Dragon of Magic”. Even the translators makes more sense with the comparison as it is still part of the volume anyway, and is still relevant, they don’t have to add those stuff if it isn’t relevant to begin with. There is no proof that it drains magic at a same rate since you keep saying that it is not equal draining process, that is the same as being random as we cannot measure how much energy one has and how much is drained. Even Christina was dropping by the time they activated so no it is not instant or at the same rate. skiadrim not being in a fight is totally relevant as that allowed him to destroy the faces along side the other parent dragons that did not fight Acno. Natsu is Large country level by busting characters who have the capacity of energy for large country level or destroying countries which is the same as scaling regardless of size or attacks, size does not matter, only scaling does, even Wall’s Nuclear Fusion feat generates this amount of energy which supports this. Ignia is much stronger than his father was being a dragon God as Acnologia already outstrips any other dragon in base.
 
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Yes I can and so could you if you look at it. Like I said it is irrelevant as it was not Igneel that caused Acno to fall as it was Face that did. Draining Acno’s magic does not have to dispel his dragon form in order for him to fall out of the sky which anyone with fatigue would suffer from, and not to say that face being destroyed would not mean Acno would not be able to fight back being ya know the “Dragon of Magic”. Even the translators makes more sense with the comparison as it is still part of the volume anyway, and is still relevant, they don’t have to add those stuff if it isn’t relevant to begin with. There is no proof that it drains magic at a same rate since you keep saying that it is not equal draining process, that is the same as being random as we cannot measure how much energy one has and how much is drained. Even Christina was dropping by the time they activated so no it is not instant or at the same rate. skiadrim not being in a fight is totally relevant as that allowed him to destroy the faces along side the other parent dragons that did not fight Acno. Natsu is Large country level by busting characters who have the capacity of energy for large country level or destroying countries which is the same as scaling regardless of size or attacks, size does not matter, only scaling does, even Wall’s Nuclear Fusion feat generates this amount of energy which supports this. Ignia is much stronger than his father was being a dragon God as Acnologia already outstrips any other dragon in base.
There's no blood inside of Igneel's mouth in the images of Igneel I posted. I'll post the image again below. You tell me where the blood is. Even if there is blood inside Igneel's mouth, it's so unnoticeable that is completely incomparable to the blood that Acnologia is coughing up.
The translators notes aren't written by Hiro Mashima. They are just ramblings of the English translator to explain why he made the decisions he did in certain translations. The translator doesn't actually say Face works like an EMP, and even mentions that in real life an EMP doesn't disable all electronics. The translator notes aren't actually in the physical paper volumes that I own. They certainly aren't in the original Japanese volumes. They are only found in the digital versions that are released by Crunchyroll (which sites like Mangarock get their scans from). I had to look online for them.

You need to make up your mind about what I am saying. Last post you said I said that face drains magic equally. Now you're telling me that I say face does not draining everyone equally. I'll clarify what I am saying one more time:
1) Without accounting for certain character's resistance to it's effects, Face's drain applies to everyone equally.
2) Acnologia has a special resistance to magic. So if any of the dragons is resistant to the effects of face, it would be Acnologia. Face would therefore drain at least as much magic from the other parent dragons as it would from Acnologia, possibly more. It would certainly not drain the parent dragons for less magic than Acnologia, because the parent dragons are less resistant to magic than Acnologia.
3) Objects with more magic power take longer to drain. Christina had more magic power than most other people and objects on the continent, and that's why it was able to stay afloat. Lucy, being near exhaustion anyways, was able to be drained fairly quickly. Acnologia had enough magic power left to roar at Igneel after he woke up. Acnologia had enough magic power to maintain his dragon form throughout face's activation, which is more magic power than it takes for Natsu to maintain his dragon force. Acnologia had plenty of magic power left, far more than what is required to simply have the strength to beat his wings.

Skiadrum having not been in a fight has absolutely nothing to do with whether Acnologia had magic power remaining. What matters here is that Acnologia was still more powerful than Skiadrum, even if Skiadrum was fresh. Are you implying that Skiadrum was actually stronger than Acnologia at the point when face activated? Well then that would mean that Igneel is able to make Acnologia spend most of his power fighting him for 20 minutes. That would still put Igneel's performance above Mercphobia's.

Ignia is on Acnologia's level. Mercphobia at full power is also at Acnologia's level, but he was only at half power when he fought Natsu. The flames from a single one of Ignia's attack provides Natsu with enough magic power to beat Mercphobia, so Ignia would destroy Mercphobia if he fought him personally. Igneel is on Acnologia's level as well. He gave Acnologia an extremely difficult fight for 20 minutes and tore off his arm towards the end. Assuming that Ignia is exactly as powerful as Acnologia, Igneel would tear off an arm from Ignia if they fought. If Acnologia or Ignia fought Igneel, they would lose an arm. If Acnologia or Ignia fought half-powered Mercphobia, they would steamroll him with no significant injury.

A continental level attack that doesn't actually destroy a continent loses meaning. Ignia's attack didn't destroy the entire city of Elmina. Mercphobia's attack didn't destroy the entire city either. In fact, most of the buildings in Elmina are still standing. Ignia was able to swim through Mercphobia's ocean and his flames couldn't be put out by him dropping the ocean on them either. So why exactly would Mercphobia being able to lift an ocean mean that he can beat Igneel? Igneel would swim right through Mercphobia's ocean.
 
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yes you can clearly see blood from inside his mouth, it is pretty obvious to not notice the details, small or not is irrelevant as it is still there. Translators are still part of the volume though as they are still part of what is relevant to the series, even the wikia made note of this. A Dragon's scale protects them from harmful magics while they are still subject to certain hax based abilities, Acnologia is no exception to this. even while in Dragon Form he still suffers from Magic loss as he fell to the ground while being drained of magic. There is no evidence that magic items takes longer to drain than living beings, the drainage is simply inconsistent in it's draining rate and effects. Skiadrum did not fight Acnologia, which explains why he can destroy the faces, while Acno was fighting with Igneel and both were already tired out and is effected by Face more than the other dragons were. Merc at 50% would be defeated, but at 100%, they would have a more even fight. Igneel was not on Acnologia's level as the past proves that as he defeated most of the dragons including parent dragons. Actual Continent level attacks are one thing, but kinetic energy calculation for various attacks or radiation energy calculation is another which proves they are on a Multi-Continent level, most of the water was either vaporized by Ignia's fire. Merc can beat Igneel simply in the difference in strength, Igneel was never able to beat Acno in the past nor the present when they fought again, full strength or not, much less would he be able to beat the DG.
 

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yes you can clearly see blood from inside his mouth, it is pretty obvious to not notice the details, small or not is irrelevant as it is still there. Translators are still part of the volume though as they are still part of what is relevant to the series, even the wikia made note of this. A Dragon's scale protects them from harmful magics while they are still subject to certain hax based abilities, Acnologia is no exception to this. even while in Dragon Form he still suffers from Magic loss as he fell to the ground while being drained of magic. There is no evidence that magic items takes longer to drain than living beings, the drainage is simply inconsistent in it's draining rate and effects. Skiadrum did not fight Acnologia, which explains why he can destroy the faces, while Acno was fighting with Igneel and both were already tired out and is effected by Face more than the other dragons were. Merc at 50% would be defeated, but at 100%, they would have a more even fight. Igneel was not on Acnologia's level as the past proves that as he defeated most of the dragons including parent dragons. Actual Continent level attacks are one thing, but kinetic energy calculation for various attacks or radiation energy calculation is another which proves they are on a Multi-Continent level, most of the water was either vaporized by Ignia's fire. Merc can beat Igneel simply in the difference in strength, Igneel was never able to beat Acno in the past nor the present when they fought again, full strength or not, much less would he be able to beat the DG.
The blood in Igneel's mouth is barely noticeable (I still can't see any actually inside Igneel's mouth, I can see some dripping from his lips though) and is completely uncomparable to the way Acnologia coughed up blood on the other page.

Translator's notes are only part of Crunchyroll's digital releases. They aren't in the physical copies of the volumes, at least not the Kodansha first edition releases. I don't know if they are added in later re-releases. But that's besides the point. The point is that the author, Hiro Mashima doesn't write them. They are not in any of the Japanese volumes. And also....the translator doesn't even say face works like an MPF. He even mentions that in real life an EMP doesn't disable all electronics. So again, this is hardly proof that face works like an real life EMP.

Dragon scales protect dragons from all physical harm that does not come from the power of another dragon, either from an actual dragon or a human with dragon slaying magic. This is the first layer of protection that a dragon has. The second layer of protection that a dragon has is that they have immense resistance to magic of their element. For example, Igneel is immensely resistant to fire magic. Acnologia doesn't have a single defined element. He has this immense resistance to all magic. Basically Acnologia is resistant to all magic the same way Igneel is resistant to only fire. Both have dragon scales on top of this that makes them only vulnerable to dragon slaying magic.

Again, if what matters is how much magic power Acnologia has in comparison to Skiadrum. If you're saying that Igneel is able to push Acnologia to near exhaustion, to the point where Skiadrum would have been more powerful by the time face activated, then this is yet another reason why Igneel would beat half-powered Mercphobia. Mercphobia wouldn't have been able to push an Acnologia-tier, specifically Ignia, to near exhaustion. Much less bite off an arm.

This thread is about Igneel during Tartarus versus Mercphobia that fought Natsu. The Mercphobia that fought Natsu was at half power. I've already said that I have no idea how strong Mercphobia actually is at full power. Maybe Mercphobia at full power can indeed beat Igneel. That's not the question the thread is asking though.
 

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Barely noticable or not, it is still there regardless what you say, Translators are also on physical copies when they are sold, even in the Kodansha, regardless they described the similar principle results between Face and EMPs. Yes, Dragon scale protects them from harm of various kind, excluding Dragon Slayer Magic or other Dragons, but not all magical effects, such as mind control, time stop, teleportation or even magic drain. Acnologia is not excluded form this despite hims being the Dragon of Magic. Again, Merc half power is not that much weaker than Igneel when he was at full power since Acnologia already beat him 400 years ago. Although at half strength for the sake of this thread would still be in Merc's favor despite how strong Igneel was,
 
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Barely noticable or not, it is still there regardless what you say, Translators are also on physical copies when they are sold, even in the Kodansha, don't make things up now please. Yes, Dragon scale protects them from harm of various kind, excluding Dragon Slayer Magic or other Dragons, but not all magical effects, such as mind control, time stop, teleportation or even magic drain. Acnologia is not excluded form this despite hims being the Dragon of Magic. Again, Merc half power is not that much weaker than Igneel when he was at full power since Acnologia already beat him 400 years ago. Although at half strength for the sake of this thread would still be in Merc's favor despite how strong Igneel was,
Igneel wasn't coughing up blood. That much is plainly obvious. You can't point towards a barely noticeable speck of blood inside Igneel's mouth and use that as a comparison to what is plainly obvious for Acnologia coughing up blood.

They aren't on my copies in english, and they aren't in any copies of the Japanese volumes, but I digress. The main point is that aren't written by Hiro Mashima, and the English translator isn't saying face works like an EMP. He's explaining what he thinks about the translations. You're trying to use something that isn't written by the author, something that the author has probably never even read, to prove something that the author never put in the actual manga.

Dragon scales isn't the only thing protecting Acnologia from the effects of magic. Acnologia has resistance to all magic on top of having dragon scales. So yes, he invulnerable to a lot of things you mentioned. Acnologia is very specifically immune to attempts to at mind control. Rogue couldn't control him like he could dragons.

Acnologia was at full powered when he stole Igneel's soul, so Acnologia 400 years ago would have still been stronger than Mercphobia at half power. Also, losing to Acnologia because you had your soul stolen isn't the same as a physical fight. Mercphobia can't simply steal Igneel's soul. He has to fight Igneel physically. Acnologia lost an arm when he fought Igneel physically. Mercphobia fought Natsu and lost without doing any amount of significant damage. There's no way he would have been able to rip an arm from Ignia, who was as strong as Acnologia because he wasn't weakened.
 
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doesn't mean he wasn't spilling blood though. That is is also obvious. you can't just ignore something that is there as something that is objectively incorrect. They are in mind and they are officially published by kodansha. and being part of the same publisher and part of the volume it is still recognized as relevant regardless as they operate to get similar end results. Mashima obviously has made scientific references in the story for Magic to be scientific as well. Acnologia is still effected by magic, just not harmful magic, he is vulnerable to time stop, teleportation and magic drain as Face, U1 and Fairy Sphere have proven. Because Igneel was at full power, Igneel would still be no match regardless even in a weakened state against either of them. It doesn't matter what technique you use, he still proved he was stronger regardless as his magic has proven. Merc would also not be in the right mind set as well, it doesn't matter as Natus already surpassed Igneel in power as proven when he fought Acnologia. Just like how Natsu while in half dragon form defeated a Dragon who had the power of dozens of Etherions where as Acnologia already surpassed the power of a Multi-Continent Etherion you be surprised as to how big the Fairy Tail world is.
 
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