Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

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I'll go with Igneel.

 

[LaGOAT]

Ingeel mid diff

 

[Demon Hunter]

probably Igneel.

btw, Dragon Gods are supposed to be near or equal to Acnologia.

there is no way Ignia is much above Merc.

he is also cocky asf like Sting so we shouldn't believe everything he says.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

there is no way Ignia is much above Merc.

He has hax flame tbh. But if WDG used his full strength when he fought natsu with ignia boost then Ignia is way stronger than him but if it's not then he is close to him but his hax flames put above WDG.

 

[LaGOAT]

He has hax flame tbh. But if WDG used his full strength when he fought natsu with ignia boost then Ignia is way stronger than him but if it's not then he is close to him but his hax flames put above WDG.

Full power merc solos ignia powered natsu @Mael the strongest i need proof of ur calm cuz ignia power natsu is at best is on igneel powered natsu and that was his leftover power ingeel had left

 

[Axiomus]

I actually don't doubt that Ignia is a good deal stronger than Mercphobia. The flames that Natsu ate were the leftovers after Mercphobia tried putting them out, and Ignia held back on that attack so as to not destroy the city. Plus there's the disadvantage that fire has against water to consider. Ignia is probably not stronger than Acnologia though. Igneel was pretty much on Acnologia's level, and he was still weaker.

 

[LaGOAT]

I actually don't doubt that Ignia is a good deal stronger than Mercphobia. The flames that Natsu ate were the leftovers after Mercphobia tried putting them out, and Ignia held back on that attack so as to not destroy the city. Ignia is probably not stronger than Acnologia though. Igneel was pretty much on Acnologia's level, and he was still weaker.

Yes I don’t think that ignia and igneel are on the same level yet until proven otherwise igneel>ignia

 

[Axiomus]

Yes I don’t think that ignia and igneel are on the same level yet until proven otherwise igneel>ignia

Well it's hard to say. On one hand, Igneel has feats of knocking out Acnologia and biting off his arm. This makes him the closest thing Acnologia has to an equal by actual feats, and the only opponent that has managed to actually injure him. On the other hand, I would say Ignia's power-up made Natsu more powerful than Igneel's power-up. Granted, Igneel's power was just leftovers from his corpse after a lengthy battle with Acnologia.

I'd like to think that since Ignia still has his soul, he would be a good measure for what Igneel in his prime would have been like.

 

[WoWfan]

I would go with Merc, half dead Igneel was strong but now where near as strong as Merc who can lift an ocean.

 

[Axiomus]

I would go with Merc, half dead Igneel was strong but now where near as strong as Merc who can lift an ocean.

Igneel actually knocked out Acnologia and ripped off one of his arms. That's a better feat than lifting the ocean which Ignia can fly/swim through. Mercphobia was at half power when he fought Natsu too, so he would have only been half as strong as Acnologia.

 

[WoWfan]

I am pretty sure that it was face that affected Acnologia. He was still human at one point So it would make sense that he was susceptible to it’s effects. And after it was destroyed he started wrecking Igneel

 

[Axiomus]

I am pretty sure that it was face that affected Acnologia. He was still human at one point So it would make sense that he was susceptible to it’s effects. And after it was destroyed he started wrecking Igneel

Acnologia was immune to magic, and face is magic. The dragons also use magic and would have felt the same effects as Acnologia, and none of them were affected much by face, so this isn't the reason why Acnologia fell. When Acnologia fell, he was spitting up blood and you can even see fresh cuts on his torso. Face doesn't do this. This was damage dealt by Igneel.

Spoiler: Acnologia falls

Besides, Acnologia probably would have reverted back into a human like Mercphobia if he lost all of his magic.

 

[A v i]

I think Igneel wins in this case but Mercophobia should be stronger when both are at full power since he's around as strong as Acno at full strength when Igneel is weaker!

 

[WoWfan]

But Acnologia was not a real dragon, just a result of overusing dragon slayer magic, the reason the Dragons can still fly is that they were already dragons still, and he didn’t revert back to his original form yet was that there was magic still existing. And if I recall, real dragons do not need magic to fly. And that blood could have aready been there, we have no clear indication that it was Igneel that made him drop, and if so, why did it take Acno so long to make his counter attack?

 

[Axiomus]

But Acnologia was not a real dragon, just a result of overusing dragon slayer magic, the reason the Dragons can still fly is that they were already dragons still, and he didn’t revert back to his original form yet was that there was magic still existing. And if I recall, real dragons do not need magic to fly. And that blood could have aready been there, we have no clear indication that it was Igneel that made him drop, and if so, why did it take Acno so long to make his counter attack?

It doesn't really matter. He's physically indistinguishable from a dragon, and more importantly his immunity to magic is a property of his slayer magic which applies even as a human. Face is a magic that wipes out other magic, and it would have affected the dragons just as much as Acnologia. The parent dragons all use magic, and they even used magical attacks to wipe out the faces. You can see Skiadrum spamming a bunch of roars and Weisslogia covering his body in light. They could do this because they had so much magical power that face couldn't wipe it all before the dragons destroyed the faces. Acnologia has even more magic power than any of the parent dragons, and he also resistant to more types of magic than them.

Spoiler: Dragons using magic to destroy face

The blood on Acnologia was from a fresh cut. Igneel was bleeding too, but his blood wasn't spewing out of the cuts like you can see in that image. Acnologia took so long to make his counter attack because he got knocked out. He had to regain consciousness before fighting Igneel again.

 

[WoWfan]

I believe it does matter as he is just an artificial dragon, not a real one, his existence as a dragon is based on magic, while real dragons were always dragons, Acnologia’s immunity to magic is mostly based on magical harm being done to him, while we have seen him effected by some spells before like Fairy Sphere and Universe One, and as Face that destroys magic, it would not be surprising that Acnologia was effected by that as well being entirely magical.

Fresh blood or not that is no indication that it was Igneel that knocked Acnologia down in that instant, he was even holding Acnologia down afterward, we can even see later that his arm was lifted while still pinned down. If he was knocked out he could have ended Acnologia right there and then, yet didn’t unless he too was effected by Face and after his first round with Acno left him battered and bloodied that he cannot finish the job right away

 

[Axiomus]

I believe it does matter as he is just an artificial dragon, not a real one, his existence as a dragon is based on magic, while real dragons were always dragons, Acnologia’s immunity to magic is mostly based on magical harm being done to him, while we have seen him effected by some spells before like Fairy Sphere and Universe One, and as Face that destroys magic, it would not be surprising that Acnologia was effected by that as well being entirely magical.

Fresh blood or not that is no indication that it was Igneel that knocked Acnologia down in that instant, he was even holding Acnologia down afterward, we can even see later that his arm was lifted while still pinned down. If he was knocked out he could have ended Acnologia right there and then, yet didn’t unless he too was effected by Face and after his first round with Acno left him battered and bloodied that he cannot finish the job right away

I just gave you reasons why it doesn't matter: Acnologia resistance to magic still exists even if he's not a dragon. Face is a magic. Acnologia would be more resistant to it than the other dragons, who are only resistant to their own elements. There is no good reason to assume Acnologia was dropped because of face in the first place. Literally nobody else on the continent was knocked out by face, or even remotely injured. Acnologia had fresh wounds on his body that couldn't have come from face. Face doesn't give you cuts or make you cough up blood. This implies that the reason Acnologia fell was due to a traumatic injury. Igneel didn't finish Acnologia off because he thought he had won. Not because he was incapable of injuring Acnologia as he was pinned. Igneel was literally having a conversation.

Universe One doesn't affect Acnologia. Universe One affects the ground around Acnologia. There's nothing for Acnologia to be immune to here because the magic doesn't target him. Fairy Sphere creates an absolute defense around the target by removing them from space and time. Lucy's idea was to use put Acnologia inside it to stall him. It was a stalling tactic. As soon as they ran out of power, Acnologia would have resumed his activities. Keep in mind that Acnologia could absorb the magic of the rift between time and punch a literal hole in the fabric of reality. He probably would have done the same to Fairy Sphere had he beaten the dragon slayers and stabilized his magic.

Acnologia may have been affected by face, depending on whether or not he was immune to face's magic. This is a maybe. On the other hand, the parent dragons were certainly affected by face. It's not like you have a special resistance to your magic being drained if you're a dragon. It's just that face doesn't immediately wipe out all magic. It's a gradual drain. We know this because the magical airship Christina needs magic power to stay afloat. While it was losing power as face goes on, it didn't just immediately drop out of the sky as soon as face was activated. The parent dragons were simply so powerful that they had enough power to destroy the faces even with this drain going on. Acnologia is more powerful than them, and literally would have been the last person to be out of power.

Here's another thing to consider. When a natural dragon is drained completely of his magic, he reverts to a human form. We see this in Mercphobia. The fact that Acnologia did not revert to his human form meant that he still had a significant portion of his magic power left over.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I just gave you reasons why it doesn't matter: Acnologia resistance to magic still exists even if he's not a dragon. Face is a magic. Acnologia would be more resistant to it than the other dragons, who are only resistant to their own elements. There is no good reason to assume Acnologia was dropped because of face in the first place. Literally nobody else on the continent was knocked out by face, or even remotely injured. Acnologia had fresh wounds on his body that couldn't have come from face. Face doesn't give you cuts or make you cough up blood. This implies that the reason Acnologia fell was due to a traumatic injury. Igneel didn't finish Acnologia off because he thought he had won. Not because he was incapable of injuring Acnologia as he was pinned. Igneel was literally having a conversation.

Universe One doesn't affect Acnologia. Universe One affects the ground around Acnologia. There's nothing for Acnologia to be immune to here because the magic doesn't target him. Fairy Sphere creates an absolute defense around the target by removing them from space and time. Lucy's idea was to use put Acnologia inside it to stall him. It was a stalling tactic. As soon as they ran out of power, Acnologia would have resumed his activities. Keep in mind that Acnologia could absorb the magic of the rift between time and punch a literal hole in the fabric of reality. He probably would have done the same to Fairy Sphere had he beaten the dragon slayers and stabilized his magic.

Acnologia may have been affected by face, depending on whether or not he was immune to face's magic. This is a maybe. On the other hand, the parent dragons were certainly affected by face. It's not like you have a special resistance to your magic being drained if you're a dragon. It's just that face doesn't immediately wipe out all magic. It's a gradual drain. We know this because the magical airship Christina needs magic power to stay afloat. While it was losing power as face goes on, it didn't just immediately drop out of the sky as soon as face was activated. The parent dragons were simply so powerful that they had enough power to destroy the faces even with this drain going on. Acnologia is more powerful than them, and literally would have been the last person to be out of power.

Here's another thing to consider. When a natural dragon is drained completely of his magic, he reverts to a human form. We see this in Mercphobia. The fact that Acnologia did not revert to his human form meant that he still had a significant portion of his magic power left over.

Can't Dragons use magic even if ethernano were to be completely wiped out. I mean they are supernatural entities while humans rely on ethernano to use magic.

 

[Axiomus]

Can't Dragons use magic even if ethernano were to be completely wiped out. I mean they are supernatural entities while humans rely on ethernano to use magic.

No. Ethernano is the basis of their magic as well. Remember, the Eclipse Plan had them time travelling to an era where the ethernano was high so that they can recover their powers.

 

[WoWfan]

But unlike any form of offensive magics, Face just absorbs magic, in the same way that God Slayers can eat flames from other fire type slayers. knocked out or not, which is not what I am saying, I am saying that he dropped because of his unnatural magical dragon form which is still effected by Face which takes away magic. We did not see Acno get hit by Igneel when he dropped, wounds do not matter as he just dropped because of the loss of magic Acnologia can still move around even with a lost arm, traumatic injuries from minor cuts and bruises is not the same thing, so it was something more than that. No, Ingeel would have won by simply killing Acnologia, which is the whole point of them going through all of this planning in the first place. Universe One Technique does effect Acnologia though, including all life forms in the effected area as they are teleported to different locations. And Space and Time are still part of magic just like nature and spirit. He is unaffected by magic that are intentionally harming him, just like how Natsu is still effected by various effects from different flames despite not harming him or flames that do bypass his defenses. I am not saying that Face wipes out Magic right away, it was over time as even Christina was still afloat even while close to a Face, that what how I have been saying it this whole time. That does not mean that Acnologia isn't effected still as he was being drained of magic.