Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[Arjuna]

Scars on his face doesn't mean he fought Acnologia,it can be from thousand other reasons and definitely Acnologia isn't a person who will leave his opponent with just few scars,and Metalicana wouldn't express his surprise at Igneel losing to Acnologia if he really lost once.

P.S. if from the nest time want to reply to me use the reply below the post,otherwise i won't reply back.

 

[WoWfan]

Arjuna, what surprised though? he wasn't shocked or expressed any exclamation points that indicate that this was the first time this has happened, and on the same page they did encounter Acnologia before, that is proof enough that those scars are from Acno seeing as Igneel spent his time with Natsu and the other Parent Dragons and DS, he could not have gotten them anywhere else.

 

[ZeWaDo]

Future Rouge said Acnologia ends up ruling the world in his timeline. To me, that says the five dragon gods ain’t shit.

 

[WoWfan]

We do not know what Acnologia did to accomplish that task though, he could have achieved the Space Between time to do this, or in a likely fashion, Acnologia might have either ate the DG's magic, or employed ripping their souls out. The Multiverse is vast

 

[LaGOAT]

you are forgetting that Igneel has scars in his face in the present when we have never seen scars in the past, especially not even before taking Natsu in an during his training and raising him. He never showed any surprise which implied that this was not the first time he fought him.

you are forgetting that Igneel has scars in his face in the present when we have never seen scars in the past, especially not even before taking Natsu in an during his training and raising him. He never showed any surprise which implied that this was not the first time he fought him.

that an assumption on ur par show me proof that he got that scar from acno we don’t know where he got it from

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We do not know what Acnologia did to accomplish that task though, he could have achieved the Space Between time to do this, or in a likely fashion, Acnologia might have either ate the DG's magic, or employed ripping their souls out. The Multiverse is vast

Till that proves that he is above the DGs

 

[WoWfan]

Tell me, have we seen Igneel fight at all in the Dragon Civil War? unless you can show me that, Acnologia is the one that would logically give him that scar, and the Dragon Parents mentioned that.

The DGs are at base Acnologia level, with someone who is alive long enough to witness the Dragon Festival, that would stand to reason he would provide information from experience.

 

[LaGOAT]

Tell me, have we seen Igneel fight at all in the Dragon Civil War? unless you can show me that, Acnologia is the one that would logically give him that scar, and the Dragon Parents mentioned that.

The DGs are at base Acnologia level, with someone who is alive long enough to witness the Dragon Festival, that would stand to reason he would provide information from experience.

Show me proof that the parent dragon said that. Just like I don’t proof u don’t have proof that ancologia gave him that scar so no1 is right until further statements and evidence

No ancologia has soul stealing ability and can eat magic that alone is above the Dragon gods. Zeref made statements about FH would be enough to beat acno and we saw what happened

And again just like some1 mention ancologia ruled the world in alternate timelines

 

[WoWfan]

In the post that Arjuna shown with the image attached, stating that they encountered Acnologia. I said likely eating their Magic’s or ripping out their souls could yield victory for him, but not without struggle since they are on his level. Zeref never stated FH could beat Acnologia.

 

[Axiomus]

It is very unlikely for Igneel to have not participated in the war because he was the king of an entire class of dragons. It's unlikely that all the fire dragons sat out of the war, and it's also pretty unlikely for Igneel to do nothing if a bunch of dragons started killing off humans. Especially if they were fire dragons.

In any case, it is not really important how Igneel got those scars. He could very well have gotten them from fighting Acnologia. That's what happens when you fight. You get cut, and some cuts scar. Igneel was cut a bunch of times during the fight in Tartarus. Some of those wounds would have left scars too. None of this changes the fact that Acnologia beat Igneel 400 years ago due to his ability to steal souls. Mercphobia doesn't have this ability. When Acnologia rematched Igneel in a purely physical fight, without being able to out Igneel by stealing his soul, Acnologia lost an arm. Half-powered Mercphobia isn't able to inflict this level of injury on Natsu, and would therefore be unable to inflict this level of injury on Acnologia.

If Natsu and Acnologia are on the same level, and Igneel can hurt Acnologia more than Mercphobia can hurt Natsu, then Igneel is stronger than Mercphobia.

 

[WoWfan]

Just because he is king does not mean that he has to participate, even presidents do not participate in wars. All we know is that is that he and the parent dragons activities were their raising of the DS and creating a plan to go to the future and that they have encountered Acnologia. That’s it.

That only proves that even at his peak, those scars are even present when he was inside Natsu, Igneel stood no chance and he would not stand a chance against even the DG because this proves that they did fight physically 400 years ago and Igneel still lost to Acno. Natsu was on base level Acno, and peak Igneel was not on base level Acno level, so no, Merc would still beat Igneel. Because even at his peak, Igneel never gave any scars on Acnologia 400 years ago

 

[Axiomus]

Just because he is king does not mean that he has to participate, even presidents do not participate in wars. All we know is that is that he and the parent dragons activities were their raising of the DS and creating a plan to go to the future and that they have encountered Acnologia. That’s it.

That only proves that even at his peak, those scars are even present when he was inside Natsu, Igneel stood no chance and he would not stand a chance against even the DG because this proves that they did fight physically 400 years ago and Igneel still lost to Acno. Natsu was on base level Acno, and peak Igneel was not on base level Acno level, so no, Merc would still beat Igneel. Because even at his peak, Igneel never gave any scars on Acnologia 400 years ago

Igneel did far more than leave a scar on Acnologia. He bit off an arm and crippled him. It was one of the reasons Natsu could even beat Acnologia. Mercphobia couldn't leave a scar on Natsu.

You can't just pretend the fight during Tartarus never happened. We saw what happens when Igneel and Acnologia engaged in a physical fight. Igneel could keep up with Acnologia for at least 20 minutes, get Acnologia all bloodied up and coughing up blood, and bite off an arm. Regardless of what went down 400 years ago, this is what Igneel was capable of during the Tartarus arc, which is what this thread is asking for anyways.

 

[Arjuna]

@Axiomus i checked the manga,originally in the manga Igneel never had any scars on his face,i think this is just an anime addition

Spoiler: Chapter 2,PG-32

which was later included in the manga.

 

[WoWfan]

That was merely an act of desperation, which is for others to take care of in the future, if he had done that in the past, there would have been no one to drive off Acno during Tartarus. Natsu was already DG Level At the time which I doubt would make him capable.

I am not saying that, I am saying you cannot just state something that we have no visual proof of to confirm that it was Igneel that did what you claim to be. 20 minutes is not the same as actually winning, Acnologia was just that much better. Igneel was spilling blood from the mouth as well, unlike what you claim, it was Acnologia that did such a thing and not also vice versa. And even then, Merc would still win even in 50% form while Igneel peak is not on his level

Even back in Edolas we did not see scars on Igneel’s face while raising Natsu, and during Tower of Heaven Arc, while inside Natsu we see scars on Igneel’s face

 

[Axiomus]

An act of desperation or not, it was still something Igneel was physically capable of. No other opponent Acnologia has ever faced was capable of this, whether they were desperate or not. 20 minutes is far longer than how long Mercphobia lasted against Ignia-powered Natsu, who basically beat him down in 4 shots. The amount of blood on Igneel's lips is not comparable to the way Acnologia was coughing up blood. More importantly, Mercphobia can't inflict the same type of damage to Natsu.

Again, the scars hardly matter. We know why Acnologia beat the dragons 400 years ago. It was because he stole their souls, which left them severely weakened. We don't know how exactly that fight went down 400 years ago, but we do see what happens when they had to fight again during Tartarus. Igneel put up a massive fight and bit off Acnologia's arm.

 

[WoWfan]

which he could not do before when he was at his peak, again so many times factually correct, Merc was at 50% while Natsu was DG/Acno tier strong, well that blood did appear from when he impacted when he fell by Face, and again, 50% vs 100% which is a clear difference in power. They do matter as Acno clearly beat the dragons in a matter of strength, you seem to assume too much, especally when you give a lot of credit to Igneel who like any other dragon has dragon senses when Soul Steal can be resisted by sheer strength. And that fight was pointless as he could not defeat Acnologia again, while at peak nor at weakened, it was a matter of desperation.

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus i checked the manga,originally in the manga Igneel never had any scars on his face,i think this is just an anime addition

Spoiler: Chapter 2,PG-32

which was later included in the manga.

Oh, if we can use anime feats, this debate would be settled in a heartbeat. Igneel's punches and roars in the anime matched Acnologia's roars, while Mercphobia's roars was overpowered by Natsu's FDK Brilliant Flame. Assuming Ignia-powered Natsu and Acnologia are on the exact same level, this alone shows Igneel out performing Mercphobia.

which he could not do before when he was at his peak, again so many times factually correct, Merc was at 50% while Natsu was DG/Acno tier strong, well that blood did appear from when he impacted when he fell by Face, and again, 50% vs 100% which is a clear difference in power. They do matter as Acno clearly beat the dragons in a matter of strength, you seem to assume too much, especally when you give a lot of credit to Igneel who like any other dragon has dragon senses when Soul Steal can be resisted by sheer strength. And that fight was pointless as he could not defeat Acnologia again, while at peak nor at weakened, it was a matter of desperation.

This thread is pitting Tartarus Arc Igneel against the Mercphobia who fought Natsu, which was at half power. So saying that Mercphobia was at 50% doesn't actually excuse anything. This is already accounted for. Same with saying that Acnologia beat the dragon slayers 400 years ago, which we already know is attributed to his ability to steal souls. We know the exact versions of the characters we're comparing. Tartarus-arc Igneel vs. 50% Mercphobia.

I'm not sure why dragon senses factor into this, and why you think the ability to souls can be resisted by sheer strength. I give credit to Igneel for being able to fight Acnologia's dragon form longer than any other character, and also being able to damage Acnologia's dragon form more than any other character. Why would I not?

 

[WoWfan]

anime is far from being canon by manga standards

Which I have stated why Igneel would not stand a chance against Merc as Merc even while weakened was still able to lift an entire ocean into the sky which is Multi-Continent Level strong, and to say Igneel would win simply because he fought Acnologia without winning twice at peak or weakened is in excusable as well. And Stealing Souls can be stopped by how strong characters are, like with Natsu, Lucy, Happy and even Zeref, in that scenario, Igneel would resist Acno's soul steal long enough for the other dragons to simply dog pile him ang absolutely murder Acno. Dragon Senses are where they would know who is coming and not be caught off guard which every Dragon or Dragon Slayer have shown, dragon senses are so acute that they can be used to hear voices across dimensions. If Igneel could not beat Acnologia back then at his peak nor in his rematch, that credit would not do him justice when fighting "actually" kill someone which he did not, Igneel could take a fin off, but not before being obliterated by Merc the same way.

 

[LaGOAT]

anime is far from being canon by manga standards

Which I have stated why Igneel would not stand a chance against Merc as Merc even while weakened was still able to lift an entire ocean into the sky which is Multi-Continent Level strong, and to say Igneel would win simply because he fought Acnologia without winning twice at peak or weakened is in excusable as well. And Stealing Souls can be stopped by how strong characters are, like with Natsu, Lucy, Happy and even Zeref, in that scenario, Igneel would resist Acno's soul steal long enough for the other dragons to simply dog pile him ang absolutely murder Acno. Dragon Senses are where they would know who is coming and not be caught off guard which every Dragon or Dragon Slayer have shown, dragon senses are so acute that they can be used to hear voices across dimensions. If Igneel could not beat Acnologia back then at his peak nor in his rematch, that credit would not do him justice when fighting "actually" kill someone which he did not, Igneel could take a fin off, but not before being obliterated by Merc the same way.

Multi continental level lol ya right..
But like u said size doesn’t matter? That ain’t gonna do anything to Ingeel. 2. Where ur proof that soul stealing can be stoped? Just like we been saying where the proof u can’t just make up feats and use that as factual go to the manga and show us a panel where it was shown or mention that soul stealing can be stopped 3. We don’t how it works we just know that acno had that ability centuries again. 4. Ingeel was at his half stated meaning not full powered and put more damage on acno that merc did to natsu

5. Look at it this way natsu=ancologia since u beleive that they are the same lvl. 50% merc =50% Ingeel both not at full power ingeel lost but ripped ancologia off vs merc lost because natsu straight dominated him. Now tell me how is losing to natsu better than ripping acno arm off?

@Arjuna is that the official translation?

 

[WoWfan]

That is how you calculate lifting something with that much mass at high speed, I said size doesn’t matter, not scaling which are two different things which Igneel does not scale to. Natsu, Lucy, Happy, Zeref can resist soul steal, with Parent Dragons that would have allowed them to win if Acnologia wasn’t already op powerful. I am still waiting on the proof that Igneel and the other parent dragons fought in the dragon civil war that gave them the scars. Various hax abilities can have some form of resistance from their targets, via strength of one’s will, otherwise Demons could kill dragons via turning their bodies into bombs, stealing their souls or controlling them. Igneel was at full strength 400 years ago and he could not defeat Acno, nor leave any scars that would have caused said damage like ripping off his arm

 

[LaGOAT]

That is how you calculate lifting something with that much mass at high speed, I said size doesn’t matter, not scaling which are two different things which Igneel does not scale to. Natsu, Lucy, Happy, Zeref can resist soul steal, with Parent Dragons that would have allowed them to win if Acnologia wasn’t already op powerful. I am still waiting on the proof that Igneel and the other parent dragons fought in the dragon civil war that gave them the scars. Various hax abilities can have some form of resistance from their targets, via strength of one’s will, otherwise Demons could kill dragons via turning their bodies into bombs, stealing their souls or controlling them. Igneel was at full strength 400 years ago and he could not defeat Acno, nor leave any scars that would have caused said damage like ripping off his arm

Exactly my point merc lifting a ocean doesn’t jack that isn’t doing much on igneel he simply burn it causally. Idk where ur getting that scaling Feat from even acno hasn’t shown anything like that. Where ur proof that natsu and the gang can resist soul stealing? Stop making up feats. @Arjuna just show a panel where igneel didn’t have a scar so that scar nonsense is debunked and even that isnt the case where ur proof that acno gave him that scar? I need proof of that I already said that we don’t where he got that scar from ur assuming it was acno. Lol demons turning in bombs? bro what are u talking about? The demon that seen in the manga are not on the same breath as the parent dragons and igneel. Merc couldn’t put damage on natsu(ur assumption of him being on his level) igneel actually put damage on acno by literally ripping acno arm I don’t see what ur getting at. Ur logic is funny ur saying that prime igneel<weakened igneel because his weaken stated put way more damage than he did in his prime how does that even make sense?